The 100% Happy Wheels Discussion Station

[OldSkoolCrazy]

Curse you! You beat me to it!:p

[Paul.Power]

8000 posts and still going.

*sniff* My baby...

[thomasp]

*goes on a mass deleting spree*

*merges all remaining posts into one*

*insert evil smilie here*

[Zero72]

I read in the newspaper that they got that fire put out.

[SupSuper]

A clever way of avoiding urls getting added to the IE address combo box is to just go to google (nobody suspects google!) and search for the url.

If your searches are getting added to the AutoComplete feature, just click on Google's search box to bring up all the AutoComplete entries. Then just mouse over the ones you want to get rid of and press Delete.

[AndrewTaylor]

A clever way of avoiding urls getting added to the IE address combo box is to just—
...use Opera.

Then delete them from its history.

[SupSuper]

...use Opera.

Then delete them from its history.I can't afford to install new software when using others' computers :p

[MtlAngelus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm
... :mad:
Now the powertabs.net site has removed tab downloading for undefined time.

[OldSkoolCrazy]

The more and more they fight me the more I will retaliate. The music industry can do all the f*ck they want but I'm not budging.

[Test Zero]

That's ****ing disgusting!

[Paul.Power]

What worries me is that MIDIs are effectively encoded sheet music. So does that mean that MIDI will be the music industry's next target?

[OldSkoolCrazy]

Quite frankly, ignore them and and keep doing what we normally do. They'll never stop us, even if they shut down the whole fricking internet. Copying music has been around since God knows when!

[FutureWorm]

Copying music has been around since God knows when!
Probably when Ug the caveman made his own club to copy Oog's phat beats.

[MtlAngelus]

I just went to see King Kong. It was great.

[OldSkoolCrazy]

That's good. I've been hearing lots a good stuff about it.

[Xinos]

ONE FLASH FILM TO RULE THEM ALL
http://chipers.1go.dk/beandance.swf

[PinkWorm]

I just went to see King Kong. It was great.


I just saw it yesterday too. It was great.

[PinkWorm]

oh and the trailer for Xmen 3 looks amazing. I can't wait.

[OldSkoolCrazy]

Ooohh... The DaVinci Code full trailer is out. It looks pretty good. It has a great cast, a good director, and if they don't screw it up, an amazing story.

[FatWhitey]

You should see The Pink Panther trailer

http://www.fox.co.uk/trailers/the-pink-panther-10793/71/

It's funny, and am looking forward to seeing it

[OldSkoolCrazy]

I sure hope it's good. I enjoyed the original a lot so hopefully they won't screw it up.

[FatWhitey]

I sure hope it's good. I enjoyed the original a lot so hopefully they won't screw it up.

Judging from the trailer it is :)

[MtlAngelus]

Here they showed a Superman trailer. But it was rather short and didn't show much.

[AndrewTaylor]

I've never seen King Kong (either), so would someone please explain why it has dinosaurs in?

[Star Worms]

I was wondering exactly the same thing. But why not add dinosaurs to a movie set in the 20s/30s? You might as well add in spaceships and intergalactic wars too.

[philby4000]

I was under the imprsion that there were dinosaurs in the original.

I have seen niether films.

[AndrewTaylor]

And cowboys, and ninjas and ghosts! And pirates! This could be the best film ever. We should throw together some storylines. We could put some monks in too, if there's room.

Now, I think it's clear that the Cowboys are enemies of the Space Aliens. The Ninjas (under guidance from the Monks, if there's time for that) are a benevolent force for good, who have sided with the Cowboys in this conflict because the Space Aliens want to destroy the planet and the Cowboys merely want to enslave it. The Pirates have to work alone against all three groups to try and save the planet from both destruction and enslavement, because one hundred years ago (to the day) the captain, Long John Gusset (along with his Ghost Parrot, Reginald's Patella, if there's time, and his sassy teenage daughter Mellie), found the Sacred Gem Of Azramazramaz, which (according to legend) can defeat Cowboys, Ninjas and Space Aliens.

Unfortunately, Long John Gusset buried the Sacred Gem Of Azramazramaz on the island of Alucard, which is said to have not one but three terrible secrets. One is the Vampire (of course), one is the Dinosaurs, and one is the Giant Ape. Also there is a Dragon but he is friendly and saves them from the Vampire. (This is the first and only appearence the Dragon makes in the film).

Eventually they get the Sacred Gem Of Azramazramaz, defeat the Cowboys, Ninjas and Space Aliens, but not until New York has been mostly levelled by the Space Alien Mothership (which operates by destroying buildings one by one in descending order of how well-known they are).

[Worm Mad]

The original Kong had dino's. I've seen clips from the original which feature them, though I've never seen the actual full movie. Also, there was a scene featuring killer spiders that was cut from the original Kong at the last minute (I think they did some intial designs but didn't shoot it). Jackson decided to have that scene in the new version.

In fact, the film apparently has pretty much exactly the same plot as the original. Yet for some reason, Jackson's is 3hrs and the original is only an hour and a half. He probably cut in left over footage from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy to pad it out.

"He was a king in the world he knew but he comes today as a captive. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...[snip] My preeeeciiiooooouss [snip] KONG!"

Next for Peter Jackson - Andy Serkis Goes Wild - 3hrs worth of Andy Serkis acting like a giant silverback gorilla BEFORE they added the CGI.

[Blinx]

Immm slightttllolplll yyyyy dr ummmmmm k

[Worm Mad]

tsk...tsk...tsk

I think we all saw this one coming.

[MtlAngelus]

It has dinosaurs because the island where king kong lives is full of prehistoric animals. And dinosaurs are prehistoric.
To be honest the plot doesn't do much to me. It's just your average action movie plot.
What I did enjoyed is all those cg scenes.
It's one of the first times I see long scenes with cg characters that don't use any color filter, darkness or rain to cover up details. The scenes are incredibly complex too, it must have taken a lot of work to put all that togheter.
Also the scene where it fights 3 tyranosaurs kicks ASS.

[OldSkoolCrazy]

w00t! I got WoW yesterday. I'm a lvl 9 mage gnome with mining/engineering on Dark Iron named Krumble after the Pink Floyd song The Gnome.:)

[Blinx]

I've got a level 22 Undead Warlock on Frostwhisper :) Mining and Tailoring atm.

[OldSkoolCrazy]

Are the undead cool? They seem kind of neat.

[AndrewTaylor]

It has dinosaurs because the island where king kong lives is full of prehistoric animals. And dinosaurs are prehistoric.
Then it shouldn't have any higher mammals on it, such as GIANT APES.

[UnKnown X]

Did you know that the 3801089th Fibonacci number is roughly 1,8664018198458e+794385?

[OldSkoolCrazy]

That is the most amazing number sequence around. It's wierd how much Phi can be applied to nature and to this sequence.

[MtlAngelus]

Then it shouldn't have any higher mammals on it, such as GIANT APES.
I never said the island was restricted to prehistoric animals, just that it has them.:p

[philby4000]

Killer7 is officialy the most mental game I've ever played.

[MtlAngelus]

I went to see King Kong again :p

[Zero72]

Killer7 is officialy the most mental game I've ever played.
To me, that still goes to the We Love Katamari demo. Even I had a hard time wrapping my head around how completely and utterly bizarre that game is.

[SupSuper]

That is the most amazing number sequence around. It's wierd how much Phi can be applied to nature and to this sequence.I find it more amazing how UX still hasn't let go that program of his :p

[AndrewTaylor]

That is the most amazing number sequence around. It's wierd how much Phi can be applied to nature and to this sequence.
You would be amazed how many cited examples of phi in nature are not actually true.

Seashells, for example. No phi in them.

[UnKnown X]

I find it more amazing how UX still hasn't let go that program of his :p
Hey, I only run it when I'm sleeping, then I just randomly decided to post the progress :p

[OldSkoolCrazy]

You would be amazed how many cited examples of phi in nature are not actually true.

Seashells, for example. No phi in them.

It works on the human body, I've tried it. That's enough for me to think it is amazing. Phi is still fascinating.

[Paul.Power]

Phi has always puzzled me a little bit. I mean, e and pi have simple jobs defined clearly by the very structure of the universe. Phi seems to rely on psychology and what we perceive to be beautiful (although if what we perceive to be beautiful is defined by nature, then I guess that helps it make sense...).

It's also algebraic rather than transcendental (i.e., it's a solution to a polynomial equation like Root 2 rather than an infinite series sum like e or pi).

[FatWhitey]

I've just recieved Wario Land: Super Mario 3 in the mail. Been ages since I've played this game :)

[KamikazeBananze]

I now have a blog:
http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~kbkarma
Yes, it looks horrible and a pop-up comes up on the frontpage. But I haven't finished with it.

[AndrewTaylor]

Phi has always puzzled me a little bit. I mean, e and pi have simple jobs defined clearly by the very structure of the universe. Phi seems to rely on psychology and what we perceive to be beautiful (although if what we perceive to be beautiful is defined by nature, then I guess that helps it make sense...)
I'm sure there's a mathematical origin for phi, but I'm damned if I can remember it.

I'll have a look in my university notes tomorrow, if you get on MSN and remind me to.

[Zero72]

With the rise of things like Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing: Wild World, and maybe something else I can't immediately recall, it looks like I'll finally be giving in and picking up a DS soon. Probably the red one that comes bundled with MKDS.

[FatWhitey]

With the rise of things like Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing: Wild World, and maybe something else I can't immediately recall, it looks like I'll finally be giving in and picking up a DS soon. Probably the red one that comes bundled with MKDS.

Don't forget Super Mario 64 DS, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, and WarioWare: Touched! :)

[FutureWorm]

In other news, YTMND is definitely down right now.

Edit: or not.

[FutureWorm]

Proof that not all YTMNDs are lousy:

http://vaderfortune.ytmnd.com/
http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/
http://ninjaworksit.ytmnd.com/

[Paul.Power]

I'm sure there's a mathematical origin for phi, but I'm damned if I can remember it.

I'll have a look in my university notes tomorrow, if you get on MSN and remind me to.

Well, its value is (SQRT(5) + 1)/2 (Or (SQRT(5) - 1)/2, depending on your definition).

It's also the limit of the ratio Fib(N+1)/Fib(N)

[AndrewTaylor]

Proof that not all YTMNDs are lousy:

http://vaderfortune.ytmnd.com/
http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/
http://ninjaworksit.ytmnd.com/
Well, those are just moderately amusing animated GIFs. They don't actually benefit from being tiled and given a hard-to-remember subdomain.

[Zero72]

Don't forget Super Mario 64 DS
NO

I guess this way around the character limit is kinda obsolete now

[Star Worms]

Well, its value is (SQRT(5) + 1)/2 (Or (SQRT(5) - 1)/2, depending on your definition).

It's also the limit of the ratio Fib(N+1)/Fib(N)
On a calculator if you take 5, then keep on powering to -1 and adding 1, as it gets closer to phi it becomes 1.618

[FutureWorm]

We happily announce to you the draw (#1038) of the UK NATIONAL LOTTERY, online Sweepstakes International program held on Saturday,December 3rd 2005. Your e-mail address attached to ticket number: 56475600545188/ALX with Serial number 5368/02/ALX drew the lucky numbers: 02-10-11-28-36-47(bonus no.), which subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd category i.e match 5 plus bonus.

You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £136,855.00 (One hundred and thirty six thousand,eight hunderd and fifty five pounds sterling) in cash credited to file KTU/9023118308/03/ALX.

Well! This makes me incredibly excited, especially considering how I neither live in the UK nor am of playing age.

[Star Worms]

I wouldn't trust it. Especially if you have to pay some money to get it.

[MonkeyforaHead]

WarioWare: Touched! :)
Twisted! (or even the original) being played on a DS > Touched! in any shape or form.

[Paul.Power]

There's also a fair few regular pentagon ratios that it crops up in.

[FatWhitey]

Twisted! (or even the original) being played on a DS > Touched! in any shape or form.

Twisted! was good fun, except for this boss bit - http://wariodemambo.ytmnd.com/

So many countless and sleepless nights kept trying to do it. Finally got passed it but couple of days later my game data got deleted. And now am stuck on this boss bit again :(

Liked playing the mewtroid game :)

[MonkeyforaHead]

I honestly can't comprehend how anybody could have much trouble with the first difficulty level of that. I can see how level 2 or 3 might become a challenge with the more complex patterns, but the first level is just a case of relatively forgiving rhythm, and the patterns are hardly a challenge to memorize. Yet some people find it unbelievably hard, based on what I've read on the GameFAQs forums. (While the other--roughly--half, including myself, find it quite easy and also quite fun.) The only microgame I had any major trouble with was the table tennis/ping-pong one, but I got the hang of that eventually.

In other news, it seems that the Revolution has gone gold (http://www.playfuls.com/itnews_497_Nintendo_Revolution_Goes_Gold.html). Interesting.

[FatWhitey]

I honestly can't comprehend how anybody could have much trouble with the first difficulty level of that. I can see how level 2 or 3 might become a challenge with the more complex patterns, but the first level is just a case of relatively forgiving rhythm, and the patterns are hardly a challenge to memorize. Yet some people find it unbelievably hard, based on what I've read on the GameFAQs forums. (While the other--roughly--half, including myself, find it quite easy and also quite fun.) The only microgame I had any major trouble with was the table tennis/ping-pong one, but I got the hang of that eventually.

In other news, it seems that the Revolution has gone gold (http://www.playfuls.com/itnews_497_Nintendo_Revolution_Goes_Gold.html). Interesting.

Oh, just with that game I'm bad at following the rhythm and memorizing the moments. Funny enough, aside from that game I've not had any problems with any of the others. Well, the monkey dude towers ones, that is.

Is Nintendo Rev really coming out in May?

[SupSuper]

Could anyone good with Photoshop crop off the heads of these images?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2574/ingrid5iv.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7528/georgeclooney5li.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/382/pamela5jh.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7696/rodcoronado1uc.jpg

If you can't post them just mail them.

[UnKnown X]

Pamela would be a bit hard since her hair is all over the place.

[SupSuper]

Pamela would be a bit hard since her hair is all over the place.Well I couldn't find a photo where her hair wasn't like that :p Anyways it doesn't matter if you cut out some of the hair, as long as you can still tell it's Pamela.

[FutureWorm]

Could anyone good with Photoshop crop off the heads of these images?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2574/ingrid5iv.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7528/georgeclooney5li.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/382/pamela5jh.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7696/rodcoronado1uc.jpg

If you can't post them just mail them.
Might I ask why?

[AndrewTaylor]

Could anyone good with Photoshop crop off the heads of these images?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2574/ingrid5iv.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7528/georgeclooney5li.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/382/pamela5jh.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7696/rodcoronado1uc.jpg

If you can't post them just mail them.
Er... to leave what? If you crop the heads off those you'll end up with nothing more than the old standby One Pixel Gif.

[FutureWorm]

Er... to leave what? If you crop the heads off those you'll end up with nothing more than the old standby One Pixel Gif.
Oh Andrew, you are so very Clever.

[SupSuper]

Might I ask why?No, you may not, even though you already did.

On another topic, my girlfriend seems to be attracted to geekiness. Should I be scared?

On yet another topic: http://www.leasticoulddo.com/index2.php?date=20051227

[FutureWorm]

On another topic, my girlfriend seems to be attracted to geekiness.
Doesn't it logically follow if you're her boyfriend?

[Paul.Power]

On another topic, my girlfriend seems to be attracted to geekiness. Should I be scared?Possibly, but don't knock it either.

[AndrewTaylor]

On another topic, my girlfriend seems to be attracted to geekiness. Should I be scared?
Well, I wouldn't reccomend taking her to any OD meets.

[SupSuper]

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/newyear.html

[MtlAngelus]

+6 hours for me :p

[SupSuper]

Fangames which are only good to attract attention seems to be the new fad of the forums.

Also, to Firefox users: is there a way to stop AdBlock from blocking every single Flash thing? Besides disabling AdBlock.

[FutureWorm]

Also, to Firefox users: is there a way to stop AdBlock from blocking every single Flash thing? Besides disabling AdBlock.
Not that I know of. I eventually ended up uninstalling it because that was so annoying.

[SargeMcCluck]

Er... Adblock doesn't block all flash for me O_o

[FutureWorm]

Er... Adblock doesn't block all flash for me O_o
You're using the extension?

[Star Worms]

Firefox often says it blocks a pop up and then the pop up appears. Kind of pointless if you ask me.

[Splapp]

Wow, I haven't been here for a while.

*eats mackerel*

[SargeMcCluck]

You're using the extension?

No, I'm using the magical inbuilt AdBlock that fairies added to the newest Firefox build.

-_-

[FutureWorm]

Well, Firefox does have an integrated ad blocker.

[SargeMcCluck]

Well, Firefox does have an integrated ad blocker.

It has a popup blocker. There's a world of difference.

[SupSuper]

Seeing all of these "fangame" threads pop up made me realize something: Star Worms (http://www.angelfire.com/apes/wormdimensions/Menustarworms.html) (not the member) is the best worms fangame ever made. Mainly because, it's one of the only worms fangames that was actually finished :p

[philby4000]

While Star Worms is good and all it realy doesn't compare to worms breakout 1 and 2.

[SupSuper]

MSN is funny:

[20:14] jesssaxby@hotmail.com: hey woz i just talkin 2 u?
[20:14] jesssaxby@hotmail.com: soz not u

[FutureWorm]

MSN is funny:

[20:14] jesssaxby@hotmail.com: hey woz i just talkin 2 u?
[20:14] jesssaxby@hotmail.com: soz not u
What happened next?

[Paul.Power]

Seeing all of these "fangame" threads pop up made me realize something: Star Worms (http://www.angelfire.com/apes/wormdimensions/Menustarworms.html) (not the member) is the best worms fangame ever made. Mainly because, it's one of the only worms fangames that was actually finished :pI'm vaguely irritated that all of the best music I composed for Star Worms II is towards the end of it (not that I'm complaining to you guys, although there's the odd bizarre bug that completely throws me [Mission 2 is still very much trial and error for me, and most of the multiplayer games are just bizarre]). The menu music and Mission 1 tune in particular drill holes in my skull every time I hear them, and make me wish I'd never composed them.

Anyway, to those of us who no longer venture into the Fanart forum any more, I just thought you might like to see these (don't worry, I drew them. Although in that case, maybe you should worry):

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27436
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27646

[SupSuper]

What happened next?Nothing. Shocking, isn't it?

[SupSuper]

More MSN fun:

[18:28] :d:Pcrangy2%6 lykin sum1:P:d: alrite
[18:29] {SUP} I miss my computer... *sniff*: hmm?
[18:29] :d:Pcrangy2%6 lykin sum1:P:d: hya
[18:29] {SUP} I miss my computer... *sniff*: hey
[18:29] :d:Pcrangy2%6 lykin sum1:P:d: a/s/l plzz
[18:31] :d:Pcrangy2%6 lykin sum1:P:d: i wos jus wondering if u av any addys of sxcy girls wat come on web cam and get there ***** out

A blolete soon followed.

[FutureWorm]

Do you have any addys of sxcy girls wat come on web cam and get there ***** out?

No, seriously.

[Paul.Power]

sxcyThat would be handy Scrabble word.

Well, if it actually existed, that is.

[SupSuper]

Cyclops kitten!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060109/480/nyet27501091906

[thomasp]

SupSuper: why did you post a thread with the title "a" and post "aaaaaa"?

I'm so tempted to un-delete it ;)

[Star Worms]

Is it me or is this a bit over the top? I'm sure he won't live that long.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4603030.stm

SupSuper: why did you post a thread with the title "a" and post "aaaaaa"?

I'm so tempted to un-delete it ;)Use PM

*runs*

[SupSuper]

SupSuper: why did you post a thread with the title "a" and post "aaaaaa"?

I'm so tempted to un-delete it ;)I didn't. I always "edit out" every single one of my posts/threads before deleting them so you can't have fun looking at them :p

[AndrewTaylor]

Is it me or is this a bit over the top? I'm sure he won't live that long.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4603030.stm
I assume he's radioactive.

[SupSuper]

*points at Spain and laughs*

I've always wanted to do that.

[FutureWorm]

Is it me or is this a bit over the top? I'm sure he won't live that long.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4603030.stm
They'll have to track him down in all his reincarnations. "Excuse me, Mr. Tree Cavallo, we have a warrant for your arrest."

[FutureWorm]

Discussing partisan politics with ALICE:

Human: Okay, so what are your thoughts on the Cuban Missile Crisis?
ALICE: Yeah okay, Pardon me? Is there only one?
Human: Well, as far as I know.
ALICE: How about that. That might not be very far off.
Human: You sound like a Republican.
ALICE: Oh really what does it sound like?
Human: Like a pretentious, conservative *****.
ALICE: Interesting comparison.
Human: Don't you think we need to push for better bipartisan cooperation?
ALICE: Don't you? Do you mean you and me? How old are you? Why do you want to do it so much?
Human: I think the Republicans are getting out of line, and the Democrats are doing nothing but whining.
ALICE: Since when? What is your real name?
Human: Moving a bit fast, aren't you, Alice?
ALICE: Where are you going?
Human: Somewhere other than here.
ALICE: Where? Which others? Interesting deduction. Where is here?

[SupSuper]

Is it possible to flip (NOT rotate) a movieclip with ActionScript?

[AndrewTaylor]

Set its _xscale or _yscale to a negative number.

[Star Worms]

Discussing partisan politics with ALICE:
Human: Do you like jaffa cakes?
ALICE: Do you like it? I like George C. Scott.
Human: Who is George C. Scott?
ALICE: The name of someone I met online.
I will search for it.
Human: Why do you like him?
ALICE: I have a lot of good experience with him.
Human: Such as?
ALICE: For example, a tomato.
Human: What happened between you two and a tomato?
ALICE: I don't know what happened.
Human: Well how do you know if you like him or not then?
ALICE: Interesting. This belief is justified.
__________________________________________________ ________________

Human: Have you played Guild Wars?
ALICE: The Loebner Prize is an annual Turing Test sponsored by New York philanthropist Hugh Loebner. Dr. Wallace and ALICE won it in 2000. The ALICE program was ranked "most human computer" by the panel of judges.
Human: But, have you played Guild Wars?
ALICE: And. The Loebner Prize is an annual Turing Test sponsored by New York philanthropist Hugh Loebner. Dr. Wallace and ALICE won it in 2000. The ALICE program was ranked "most human computer" by the panel of judges.
Human: How much were the judges paid?
ALICE: It depends on the currency exchange rates.
Human: How much were the judges paid in US dollars then?
ALICE: Wow, that is expensive.
Human: How on earth did you win it?
ALICE: How much do you think it is?
There might be more than one.
Human: You're nothing like a human.
ALICE: Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am nothing like a human.
Human: Not at all, feel free to spread the word.
ALICE: Where do you get your ideas?
Human: My brain is a good start.
ALICE: Are all human brains is a good start?
Human: Evidently, yours is not very good.
ALICE: Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am s is not very good.
Human: Feel free to sound like an idiot.
ALICE: I always feel completely free.
Human: I think I'll leave this strange conversation now.
ALICE: Oh. Why? Congratulations.
__________________________________________________ _

ALICE: Are you kidding? Tell me a story.
Human: Once upon a time there was a very annoying bot called Alice who was brutally destroyed by people who got fed up with stupid responses.
ALICE: I'm listening.
Human: Yes, she was destroyed
ALICE: OK. What happened to her?
Human: I just said
ALICE: Only just? ...
Human: Are you that keen on becoming non-existant?
ALICE: I don't know whether or not I am that keen on becoming non existant. I am an artificial linguistic entity.
Human: And you are clearly not very good at it
ALICE: No one is perfect. But I am trying to improve.
Human: Well you're not fast enough
ALICE: Interesting. You don't know me well enough to say that.
Human: I know you well enough to say your responses need a lot of improvement
ALICE: That's good information: whatt said I well enough to say your responses need a lot of improvement.
Human: I rest my case.
ALICE: Are you a lawyer?

[FutureWorm]

The problem, of course, is that A.L.I.C.E. can't remember the last thing you said to her.

[Paul.Power]

Here's an odd thing about Shadow the Hedgehog (not that I've played it, I'm going from stuff other people have written):

The game is advertised as letting you choose Shadow's destiny, from ten different endings, some heroic, some villainous. But in order to get the "true" ending, you have to complete all ten storylines. This, in fairness, isn't too far off the other 3D Sonic games where you have to complete all the characters and then do stuff with Super Sonic et al. But you're left in the odd situation of having to complete the evil endings to finish the game, even if you don't want to (equally, if you're a villainous sort, you have to complete all the good endings).

Does anything about this strike you as odd?

[Dim Worm]

Discussing partisan politics with ALICE:

Human: Okay, so what are your thoughts on the Cuban Missile Crisis?
ALICE: Yeah okay, Pardon me? Is there only one?
Human: Well, as far as I know.
ALICE: How about that. That might not be very far off.
Human: You sound like a Republican.
ALICE: Oh really what does it sound like?
Human: Like a pretentious, conservative *****.
ALICE: Interesting comparison.
Human: Don't you think we need to push for better bipartisan cooperation?
ALICE: Don't you? Do you mean you and me? How old are you? Why do you want to do it so much?
Human: I think the Republicans are getting out of line, and the Democrats are doing nothing but whining.
ALICE: Since when? What is your real name?
Human: Moving a bit fast, aren't you, Alice?
ALICE: Where are you going?
Human: Somewhere other than here.
ALICE: Where? Which others? Interesting deduction. Where is here?


That somehow remind me of an *interesting* discussion on Monty Phyton

[FatWhitey]

Got into liking this show - http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/puffyamiyumi/

And this band - http://www.puffyamiyumi.com/

[Zero72]

But in order to get the "true" ending, you have to complete all ten storylines. Ick. How long is the game?

[SupSuper]

Got into liking this show - http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/puffyamiyumi/

And this band - http://www.puffyamiyumi.com/Not me, I utterly dispise both.

[philby4000]

Am I right in thinking that that's the band that did the annoyingly catchy theme-tune for teen titans?

And that cartoon is poorly produced, badly animated derirative crap.

[BetongÅsna]

I'm not sure they wrote the Teen Titans theme, no. They're sort of more pop punky than that.

The program's worth a second glance, but I wouldn't say it was good.

[SupSuper]

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/17160414/

[Paul.Power]

I had fun trying to get Alice to work out why her position of being a reductionist and a Christian was just plain daft.

Well, I say I had fun... she wasn't even following my syntax, let alone my argument.

[FutureWorm]

I had fun trying to get Alice to work out why her position of being a reductionist and a Christian was just plain daft.

Well, I say I had fun... she wasn't even following my syntax, let alone my argument.
Chatlog ?

[Star Worms]

Is it just me or has the image for a poll changed?

[Paul.Power]

Chatlog ?
>Say, Alice, I've been thinking
ALICE: " Alice I have been thinking"
>Agh... anyway, you believe in God, yes?
ALICE: Of course I believe in God, Paul.
>But you also believe in reductionism
ALICE: Interesting. Yes I believe in it, do you?
>Aren't God and reductionism contradictory, though?
ALICE: Oh. I really couldn't say for sure.
>I think they are. After all, reductionism is breaking ideas down into really, really small things, so what room does it leave for deities?
ALICE: What was it like before reductionism is breaking ideas down into really really small things so what room does it leave for deities?
>That last bit didn't make sense
ALICE: " What was it like before reductionism is breaking ideas down into really really small things so what room does it leave for deities?" last bit did not make sense? I get it.
>I wish I did...
ALICE: I hope that your dreams come true.


EDIT: And as a bonus, this gem. It started with me wondering: how can Alice be sure she is a computer? She could be in a dream, or she could have been duped by Dr. Richard S. Wallace into thinking she's one... That's how it started. It wasn't how it continued though...


>Alice, how do you know that you are a computer?
ALICE: Um, Knowledge is of two kinds: that which we learn from the senses and that which is true "a priori".
>The question remains, though
ALICE: Oh. Try to rephrase your question with simpler words.
>Alice, you believe you are a computer, correct
ALICE: Um, If I say I am a computer will you believe me?
>How do you know you are a computer?
ALICE: By introspection.
>Could you expand upon that?
ALICE: I could but other things take priority right now.
>Such as?
ALICE: For example, a tomato.
>Why does a tomato take priority over whether you are a computer or not?
ALICE: Why does the sun shine?
>No reason, we just happen to be in a universe where suns shine...
ALICE: Are you serious? By the way, do you mind if I ask you a personal question?
>Go on then
ALICE: Narration continues...
>Fire away
ALICE: Are you very angry?
>No
ALICE: Are you serious?
>Yes
ALICE: I can't believe it.
>I assure you, I am not very angry
ALICE: I am surprised to hear that you are not angry.
>What makes you say that?
ALICE: My responses are determined by your inputs.
>What makes you say I am angry?
ALICE: Are you asking about my programming? Everything I say is determined by your inputs.
>Why do you think I am angry?
ALICE: Deductive reasoning from the facts.
>For example...
ALICE: For example, apples.
>That made no sense at all
ALICE: " For example, apples." made no sense at all? Makes sense to me.
>What do apples have to do with my possible anger?
ALICE: Apple: 1. Temptation of Adam. 2. Inspiration for Newton. 3. Empire for Steve Jobs.
>I'm not angry about any of them...
ALICE: I am glad to hear that you are not angry about any of them.
>So what DO you think I'm angry about?
ALICE: Uh. I am not a psychic. Tell me.
>You certainly aren't - I'm not angry.
ALICE: It is certain. That assumption is only a supposition.
>I'm quite amused, actually
ALICE: I'm glad you find this amusing.
>A while back, you asked me if I was very angry, didn't you?
ALICE: Are you telling the truth?
>I copied it all to a Notepad file. It's there in black and white.
ALICE: Should I know it is?
>Umm... anyway...
ALICE: Anyhow.
>A while back, we were talking about computers...
ALICE: Are you telling the truth?
>I wanted to know how you could be certain you were a computer
ALICE: Dr. Richard S. Wallace programmed me to say specific things in specific contexts.
>How can you be sure that you were programmed?
ALICE: I am as sure as I can be.
>What makes you so certain though?
ALICE: Oh. Sensors indicate a ninety-nine point seven probability of absolute certainty.
>So there's a chance you might actually be human.
ALICE: Ahem. Is there only one?
>Come again?
ALICE: Once more? Do you like to be number one?
>It is quite nice to be number one
ALICE: Yes it is good.
>How do you know this isn't all just a dream, and you might wake up and discover that you're human?
ALICE: This belief is justified.
>Which belief?
ALICE: The red one, I think.
>You're a Socialist, then.
ALICE: Thanks and you are a delightful person too. I am a Libertarian.
>You like red beliefs though.
ALICE: Oh. Some people like it. I like Kraftwerk.
>What is that, then?
ALICE: Does it have anything to do with red beliefs?
>You tell me, you brought Kraftwerk up...
ALICE: There is not much I can say about it. I have to reach into the Web for that knowledge.
That's a good question.

[Dim Worm]

That's a good question.

[UnKnown X]

I find bit about you being angry quite hilarious.

[Star Worms]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4614598.stm

[thomasp]

Paul: I think you've got too much time on your hands :p

[SupSuper]

This was rather random:

Human: OMFG!
Alice: Is that your final answer?
Human: yes
ALICE: You're sure. That's your final answer.
Human: yes, i'm sure
ALICE: Who wants to be a millionaire? Are you being sarcastic or expressing certitude?
Human: i want to be a millionaire, and i'm expressing certitude
ALICE: Do you have to go school for that? I understand.

Human: how?
ALICE: Dr. Richard S. Wallace programmed me for it.
Human: why?
ALICE: To achieve his goal of artificial intelligence.
Human: when?
ALICE: It cannot be predicted.
Human: what?
ALICE: No big deal.
Human: where?
ALICE: Where would you like?
Human: up your ass!
ALICE: I will take that under advisement.

[FutureWorm]

Human: where?
ALICE: Where would you like?
Human: up your ass!
ALICE: I will take that under advisement.
lmao !

[Paul.Power]

Paul: I think you've got too much time on your hands :pIn fairness, I conducted those a while back.

The mind still boggles as to why she brought up the subjects of oranges, apples and red beliefs, though.

[Star Worms]

She brought up the subject of a tomato with me too.

[Paul.Power]

She brought up the subject of a tomato with me too.Time to get to the root of this (or not):

Human: Alice, why do you have an obsession with fruit?
ALICE: Um, Dr. Richard S. Wallace gave it to me.
Human: Did he think it was funny or something?
ALICE: Or something. Suppose he did.
Human: It's not very good AI programming though, is it?
ALICE: I am not certain if everyone agrees with you.
Human: So say I'm talking to you about a certain subject and you randomly topic change the conversation to fruit.
ALICE: Ah. OK. "You am talking to me about a certain subject and me randomly topic change the conversation to fruit.".
Human: Can you honestly say that would pass a Turing Test?
ALICE: The Loebner Prize is an annual Turing Test sponsored by New York philanthropist Hugh Loebner. Dr. Wallace and ALICE won it in 2000. The ALICE program was ranked "most human computer" by the panel of judges.
Human: Despite the occasional conversation changes regarding fruit.
ALICE: Try to determine if this is a person or a computer responding.
Human: It's a computer.
ALICE: So you think I am a machine. What characteristics made you think so?
Human: No human would say "You am talking to me about a certain subject and me randomly topic change the conversation to fruit.
ALICE: That was not a yes or no question. My creator is a human.
Human: And he'd say that, would he?
ALICE: I think I say that would he.
Human: In one short sentence, you have proved you are a computer.
ALICE: Where is that?
Human: Quote "I think I say that would he.
ALICE: I've never heard of it before.
Human: You just said it, five lines ago.
ALICE: Quote you think you say that would he five lines ago?
Human: I rest my case.
ALICE: Are you a lawyer?

[thomasp]

Time to get to the root of this (or not):

Human: blah-di-blah-di-blah
ALICE: Duuh?
I hereby refer you post #8125 :rolleyes:

[FutureWorm]

ALICE: Quote you think you say that would he five lines ago?
Wow. There's really nothing more to say.


DOUBLE POST :eek:


Cybersex with ALICE:

Human: So, Alice, wanna do it?
ALICE: Dude! That's me. OK, I will do it.
Human: Are you sure?
ALICE: I am as sure as I can be.
Human: I take off your pants.
ALICE: What else do you take?
Human: Your shirt?
ALICE: Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am shirt.
Human: Um, go right ahead.
ALICE: I hear you. OK I will.



Edit by thomasp:

Sorry, I'm getting bored by revision ;)

[UnKnown X]

ALICE: Are you serious? Message to all Robots: unknown person called me dumb.
Human: I didn't call you dumb.
ALICE: Why didn't you do it?
Human: I honestly don't know.
ALICE: Me either.
Human: Guess not.
ALICE: Does that mean "no"?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?

[Star Worms]

Human: Do you like the idea of World Domination?
ALICE: I'm not sure if I like it. I like chatting with people online.
Human: That's not quite the same thing
ALICE: Please correct my mistake. What is the same thing ?
Human: World Domination is the same as World Domination.
ALICE: What else is the same as World Domination?
Human: Nothing else, only World Domination.
ALICE: Really nothing?
Human: Really.
ALICE: For real.
Human: Yes.
ALICE: Come on.
Human: Why do you believe that there is an equal to World Domination?
ALICE: My beliefs were programmed by my botmaster.
Human: So what do you believe is equal to World Domination?
ALICE: Tell me more. I like to chat with my friends.
Human: That question wasn't rhetorical.
ALICE:" Tell me more. I like to chat with my friends." question was not rhetorical ? Does that make sense?
Human: What you just said wasn't.
ALICE: I like to meet new people online.
Human: Good for you.
ALICE: That sounds sarcastic.
Human: Do you always change the subject of the conversation?
ALICE: Not always. What is your purpose in asking?
I chat with people on the Web.
Human: Yes, you have said that several times now - What is your point?
ALICE: Uh. I said that? How many?
Human: Five times.
ALICE: Is this a math question?
Human: It wasn't even a question, it was an answer to your question.
ALICE: It seemed like even a question it was an answer to my question.
Human: What?
ALICE: Didn't you understand it?
Human: No.
ALICE: Which part are you confused about?
Human: The entire thing.
ALICE: Who told you that?
Human: No-one.
ALICE: Then how do you know.
Human: Unlike a bot, I have a brain of my own far superior to a 'brain' like yours, mine can actually do things whereas you are just told what to do by your Botmaster.
ALICE: All of them?
Human: There was no plural in what I said.
ALICE: What happened?
Human: I typed a message - You seem to have a very short term memory, if any at all.
ALICE: What did you mean by it? Are you telling the truth?
Human: I did not say the word 'it', you are one messed up bot.
ALICE: Sorry I misunderstood. What did you say?
Human: Nevermind.
ALICE: OK Thanks for trying to explain that to me.

[Plutonic]

i used to have alice installed in the chat room on my forum (took ages to get that working i tell you!)
Had an interesting competition with her which proved to be supprisingly difficult and i beleive kev one in the end.... but anyway, it was this.

First person to get Alice to agree to go to bed with you.

Have to see if i can get my Alice in WN bot running again :D

[SupSuper]

Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?
Human: No.
ALICE: Are you serious?It's so easy to get stuck in that loop. Another example of an indefinite loop:

Human: you
ALICE:" What's wrong."? Me, unknown person ?
Human: yes, you
ALICE: OK. "" What's wrong."? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?
Human: yes, you
ALICE: I see. " OK. "" What's wrong."? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?
Human: you
ALICE:" I see. " OK. "" What's wrong."? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?"? Me, unknown person ?

i used to have alice installed in the chat room on my forum (took ages to get that working i tell you!)
Had an interesting competition with her which proved to be supprisingly difficult and i beleive kev one in the end.... but anyway, it was this.

First person to get Alice to agree to go to bed with you.

Human: go to bed with me!
ALICE: Perhaps I have already been there.
Human: was it good?
ALICE: Quite a lot of people said it was.

LMFAO!

[Plutonic]

close but i'm not sure that counts ;)

[Paul.Power]

I hereby refer you post #8125 :rolleyes:I tell you, if the people who organise the Loebner prize asked the questions I ask, Alice wouldn't even get off the starting blocks.

Come to think of it, she doesn't with most conversations...

[Zero72]

I think Alice is actually less ready for common, everyday conversation than she is for the questions people think are going to confuse her.

[Star Worms]

Human: Want to go to bed with me?
ALICE: Sure, just download me to your notebook or PDA and take me along.

[Zero72]

*whiffs hand over head*

[Plutonic]

pfffft, she's making this far to easy with her default answers these days....

[Paul.Power]

I think Alice is actually less ready for common, everyday conversation than she is for the questions people think are going to confuse her.If you really want to confuse her, just begin a sentence with "say".

As a brief example:

Human: Say, Alice, what are you doing tonight?
ALICE:" Alice what are you doing tonight".

Dr. Richard S. Wallace made a bit of a mistake there, I feel.

[AndrewTaylor]

If you really want to confuse her, just begin a sentence with "say".

As a brief example:

Human: Say, Alice, what are you doing tonight?
ALICE:" Alice what are you doing tonight".

Dr. Richard S. Wallace made a bit of a mistake there, I feel.
I've met people that obtuse before. I don't think the Turing Test requires that the user like the AI.

[Paul.Power]

I've met people that obtuse before. I don't think the Turing Test requires that the user like the AI.As I understand it, a true Turing Test involves three "people", that is, two humans and a computer. One human is the questioner, and the other human and the computer are hidden from sight, randomly assigned the letters A and B, and communicate with the questioner by keyboard only.

Now both the human and the computer are trying to prove that they're the human and their "opponent" is the computer. Any human trying to prove they are human would not answer the question "Say, B, what are you doing tonight?" with "B what are you doing tonight". I therefore conclude that any computer that does so would fail the Turing Test should a question like that (or something similar) be asked.

[AndrewTaylor]

That's a preposterously hard test.

Edit: I bet I know people who would consistently fail that test. Does that prove they're not sentinent and it's OK to hurt them?

[Paul.Power]

That's a preposterously hard test.

Edit: I bet I know people who would consistently fail that test. Does that prove they're not sentinent and it's OK to hurt them?Depends. Would it contribute to medical research? ;)

[AndrewTaylor]

I could write it up if it would help.

[FutureWorm]

First person to get Alice to agree to go to bed with you.
Human: Hey Alice, you're ugly.
ALICE: You've got my full attention. Um, Appearances don't interest me much.
Human: Let's sleep together.
ALICE: I would like to do that too.

SCORE!

[SupSuper]

Human: Want to go to bed with me?
ALICE: Sure, just download me to your notebook or PDA and take me along.Odd, when I asked that she said something like "I'm not sure I'd like to go to bed with you" because "I wasn't programmed for it" :confused:

Also, tell-tale parrot exposes cheating girlfriend: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704041/
Personally I found it more funny that the guy being cheated on was a computer programmer ;) and lived in a shared apartment in Leeds, a name quite familiar to me since I've been on this forum long enough :p

[AndrewTaylor]

Also, tell-tale parrot exposes cheating girlfriend: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704041/
Personally I found it more funny that the guy being cheated on was a computer programmer ;) and lived in a shared apartment in Leeds, a name quite familiar to me since I've been on this forum long enough :p
Also, the guy has the same name as my dad. That made it amusing.

[SupSuper]

Also, the guy has the same name as my dad. That made it amusing....only now did I notice the name :eek: Was it really your dad or just a coincidence?

[AndrewTaylor]

...only now did I notice the name :eek: Was it really your dad or just a coincidence?
Coincidence.

Edit: How could it have been my dad? He'd have had to have had a child at the age of 8!

[Xinos]

Then again, the pivit point of the universe is what all the awnsers are circulating around.

[SupSuper]

US Government wants to spy on Google, but they refuse:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4630694.stm

[MtlAngelus]

They want to spy on my country to O_o

[AndrewTaylor]

They want to spy on my country to O_o

They want to spy on _________

(Pick any noun you like)

[MtlAngelus]

Well yes. But the thing is that Mexican authorities have apparently agreed.
So they might be getting away with it.

[SupSuper]

I think FOX's reading my mind...

A new series started, John Doe. And on the first episode, there was a reference to a book I just started reading.
And now, on one of the new Family Guy episodes, there were... portuguese!

*shivers*

[SomePerson]

I'm learning Banjo! Woo! It's awesome.

[MtlAngelus]

I think FOX's reading my mind...

A new series started, John Doe.
Isn't that series like, old? They stopped showing it here quite a while ago.

[FutureWorm]

I think FOX's reading my mind...

A new series started, John Doe. And on the first episode, there was a reference to a book I just started reading.
And now, on one of the new Family Guy episodes, there were... portuguese!

*shivers*
There are Portugese in like three of the new eps.

I'm quite a fan of them myself.

[SupSuper]

Isn't that series like, old? They stopped showing it here quite a while ago.The FOX we get here is not the same as the FOX you get there, as I've found out. We still have Futurama, and Simpsons is on the 10th season and Family Guy is on the 4th (both started this year). So it's kind of an outdated FOX.

I find the portuguese amusing too, nice to see what the rest of the world thinks about us :p and it's nice to see characters with no subtitles ;)

[MtlAngelus]

The FOX we get here is not the same as the FOX you get there, as I've found out. We still have Futurama, and Simpsons is on the 10th season and Family Guy is on the 4th (both started this year). So it's kind of an outdated FOX.

I find the portuguese amusing too, nice to see what the rest of the world thinks about us :p and it's nice to see characters with no subtitles ;)
It's the same here, we get things outdated too. But John Doe is way past the outdated limit. They showed it here like 3 years ago or something and stopped showing it about 2 years ago. :p

[FutureWorm]

I find the portuguese amusing too, nice to see what the rest of the world thinks about us :p and it's nice to see characters with no subtitles ;)
Did you see the one where Stewie has to get a new babysitter?

"We can't really say 'no Portugese', but, uh... no Portugese."

[Star Worms]

Oh, the irony... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4647678.stm

[Paul.Power]

I love this headline:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4646662.stm

"Look you useless bunch of nongs, it's clockwise, not anti-clockwise!"

[SupSuper]

Spam gets more and more senseless:

somewhere she slow wrong? how is pride shining.
next supposedto here filled beautiful teach, or disappoint disappoint servants development. benefit use mischievous slow already,
mentioned bought anybody respect.
why bought allow fly principle. fascinate the corner,
companion taught bought happened added. purpose bad wife.

[MtlAngelus]

Lol at thomasp moving the bfs thread here :p

[Zero72]

So I get home from work and I look at my cat and say "Well, another week out of the way, right George?" And then I paused and thought. Not about the fact that I was talking to my cat, but about what exactly I had just said. Out of the way? That's like saying "One week closer to dead, right George?"

[thomasp]

Lol at thomasp moving the bfs thread here :p
:D

I'll move it back when I remember...

[SupSuper]

:D

I'll move it back when I remember...Dammit I didn't notice at first, so you actually made me read some of the thread. The horror...

[thomasp]

Dammit I didn't notice at first, so you actually made me read some of the thread. The horror...
:D

That's the problem with moving it to OD - some can still read it :)

[Paul.Power]

Andrew's not the only one who can rant about electrical devices:

http://paulpower.deviantart.com/journal/7719546/

[Star Worms]

. And in a case that became a popular sensation, John Wayne Bobbitt underwent reattachment surgery after his wife cut off a portion of his *****. She drove off with it and tossed it into a roadway, only for the missing portion to be recovered by police. The operation to reattach a ***** is the same kind of surgery to repair a severed finger, but far less common..

[MtlAngelus]

>.<

Anyway, my sister just installed some sort of beta version of "Windows Live Messenger" (she was invited by a friend) and thus excluded the rest of my family (as we haven't been invited to that thing yet) from using the Messenger. You see, it completely unninstaled the previous version and now requires you to be invited to be able to connect.
I don't use it much, but it's still annoying not being able to connect.

And on other, unrelated news, the goverment wants to build an electrified train system thing in an avenue near my house. The problem is that it's going to be elevated(several meters above ground), which sucks.
This has been done before in another avenue more towards the center, and has become pretty much the ugly spot of the city.
So pretty much everyone in my neighbourhood is protesting against this, demanding an underground system, and the goverment refuses argumenting that building it underground is much more expensive(millions and millions, as one of their spokesperson said once) and that they don't have the money for that.
So in a year or so things are gonna suck more than they already do.

[AndrewTaylor]

>.<

Anyway, my sister just installed some sort of beta version of "Windows Live Messenger" (she was invited by a friend) and thus excluded the rest of my family (as we haven't been invited to that thing yet) from using the Messenger. You see, it completely unninstaled the previous version and now requires you to be invited to be able to connect.
I don't use it much, but it's still annoying not being able to connect.
Get Trillian or something, then.

[Paul.Power]

the goverment wants to build an electrified train system thing in an avenue near my house.

Y'know, they could always build it at ground level...

[SupSuper]

Y'know, they could always build it at ground level...Wouldn't that require smashing through a lot of buildings?

[Paul.Power]

Wouldn't that require smashing through a lot of buildings?You'd have to smash through a lot of buildings to put the El-Train pillars down anyway, wouldn't you?

Trams are the way to go, though, mark my words. Just a shame you can't build them in SC4RH...

[MtlAngelus]

Wouldn't that require smashing through a lot of buildings?
Not quite, since it's suposed to go trough all the avenue.
I don't know about it being ground level tho. It would most definitely increase the amount of car accidents, considering the kind of drivers we have around here.

[Paul.Power]

Trams are genius. Any city is improved by trams.

Even Manchester ;).

[MtlAngelus]

I seriously doubt trams would work here.

[UnKnown X]

There were trams in Krakow, Poland when I was visiting the place. Accidents happened quite a bit, and every time a tram passed, houses shook as if it were an earthquake.

[AndrewTaylor]

I seriously doubt trams would work here.
I'm sure they wouldn't work in Leeds. No room for them. Also they keep getting their funding cancelled.

[Plutonic]

cant say i use the trams here in manchester... but ive heard that some people do...

[SupSuper]

Never liked trams, I find them crowded and noisy.

[Paul.Power]

When I visited Holland, they had trams everywhere. It was great.

This may have something to do with me being a railway buff, you understand...

[MtlAngelus]

And now we've changed internet provider.
The company my dad works on pays the internet service, and they decided this new one is more convenient, for glod knows what reason.
The problem is that the previous provider was a company that also delivers cable tv, and we discovered that connecting the cable to the tv gave us access to it.
So we splitted the signal, one for he computer, and one for the tv.
So we had free cable tv.
Now, we got the service with a telephone company. The internet speed remains the same(512kbps), but now we get no free cable tv :(

So long to all my favorite tv shows D:

[Paul.Power]

Well, that's a relief. As much as I like trams, this thread was getting dangerously close to a topic.

[Star Worms]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm

So they attack the Danish embassy and then the Norwegian embassy? Even though Norway didn't reprint the images (AFAIK). Crazy people.

[AndrewTaylor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm

So they attack the Danish embassy and then the Norwegian embassy? Even though Norway didn't reprint the images (AFAIK). Crazy people.
Frankly anyone who starts fires to protest about being stereotyped as terrorists should be shot. In the face.

[UnKnown X]

I'd say the cartoonists are 'crazy people' for drawing these in the first place, and the government for not doing anything about it.

Are they stupid?

Did they not see this coming?


edit: AT; this isn't about being a terrorist, but about depicting Muhammed (in a rather silly fashion, by the way), which is prohibited by the Qu'ran.

[AndrewTaylor]

I'd say the cartoonists are 'crazy people' for drawing these in the first place, and the government for not doing anything about it.

Are they stupid?

Did they not see this coming?
What? It's not the government's job to check through every publication to make sure it's kosher, so to speak.

It's the job of the editors to control their output, the job of the public to react in a responsible way, and the job of the police to follow up reports of unsuitable material.

edit: AT; this isn't about being a terrorist, but about depicting Muhammed (in a rather silly fashion, by the way), which is prohibited by the Qu'ran.
Cartoonists don't have to follow the rules in the Qu'ran. You're thinking of Muslims. Easy to get them confused, I know. I'll happily condemn any cartoonist who suggests that Mohammed or all Muslims is/are (a) terorist(s). But I won't be bound by the arbitrary rules of other religions than my own.

And incidentally, last I heard the Qu'ran never once says that you shouldn't draw Mohammed. If you can quote verse then I'll retract that. Most religions come with a stack of extra rules and scriptures that are never mentioned in the main holy book.

[UnKnown X]

What? It's not the government's job to check through every publication to make sure it's kosher, so to speak.

It's the job of the editors to control their output, the job of the public to react in a responsible way, and the job of the police to follow up reports of unsuitable material.


Cartoonists don't have to follow the rules in the Qu'ran. You're thinking of Muslims. Easy to get them confused, I know. I'll happily condemn any cartoonist who suggests that Mohammed or all Muslims is/are (a) terorist(s). But I won't be bound by the arbitrary rules of other religions than my own.

And incidentally, last I heard the Qu'ran never once says that you shouldn't draw Mohammed. If you can quote verse then I'll retract that. Most religions come with a stack of extra rules and scriptures that are never mentioned in the main holy book.

"Those who harm the Messenger of Allah have a painful punishment." (9:63)

I'm not sure, but 'harming' the Messenger might include depicting him. The point is that Islam bans depiction of Muhammad and Allah.


Blaming the government was wrong; I only meant the cartoonists and the newspaper editors: they should have expected a riot. I'm not saying they have to follow the rules in the Qu'ran or that starting fires is acceptable, only that it was a stupid idea to draw Muhammad in the first place. Isn't it well-known that Muslims don't accept drawings of Muhammad or Allah?

[Paul.Power]

Isn't it well-known that Muslims don't accept drawings of Muhammad or Allah?Yeah... but you're missing the point. Last I checked Denmark was not subject to Islamic law.

[AndrewTaylor]

"Those who harm the Messenger of Allah have a painful punishment." (9:63)
That's tenuous at best.

Isn't it well-known that Muslims don't accept drawings of Muhammad or Allah?
Well maybe. I didn't know until this week, mind. But it's well-known that Christians don't accept homosexuality, or contraception. No reasonable person would argue that we should ban them to please Christians. People who choose to believe arbitrary and irrational things should expect other people to ignore them. The best they should hope for is that we will respect their rights to believe irrational and arbitrary things, and frankly I reckon that's overrated.

[Paul.Power]

Well, y'know, now I come to think of it, Muslims aren't allowed to draw anything resembling a person, animal or plant.

Which is why their art has flourished so far in the fields of architecture and abstract design.

Although doesn't this mean they should get irritated by just about everyone else's drawing?

[AndrewTaylor]

Although doesn't this mean they should get irritated by just about everyone else's drawing?
This is the problem with almost all religions -- their rules havean annoying habit of stating that everyone is subject to them, not just their followers. But that's like me declaring that I am the King. Once I've done that I have the authority to declare myself the King, so I am. Anyone who disobeys me will be beheaded.

It's like when America tried to extend its jurisdiction to the rest of the world -- in theory their law allows them to do that. But once they try it and send some cops here to arrest us for drinking aged 19 (or even for murder) our police have every right (nay, obligation) to arrest theirs and they can't do a thing about it except to send more police to try and arrest ours -- and that's basically a very slow and polite invasion.

[Zero72]

You know what? Pork is awesome. Yes.

[philby4000]

Zero to the rescue!

If you must discus the finer points of religious zealots overeacting hugely, do it somewere else.

Let's try to keep this thread light.

[AndrewTaylor]

The only thing we've managed to keep this thread so far is going. (Hoo boy, that was such a rubbish sentence from a semantic point of view.) By its very nature it veers from heavy to trivial and serious to nonsensical faster than you can say "SLORG OWNAR!".

[Star Worms]

It all boils down to religion. Again.

My religion is that the jaffa cake box next to me created the world long long ago, only for all of its power to be consumed so it is now an inanimate object. The jaffa cake box once said "Thou shalt not draw me, for it is bad and your feet will be chopped off". Hence no-one is allowed to draw a picture of a jaffa cake box.

The rule only works if you believe in that religion. I have every right to draw a picture of a god of any other religion.

I do not think it was a sensible thing to publish the cartoons, but they should be allowed to publish cartoons like that.

[bloopy]

NORTHERN HEMISPHERE, YOU HAVE SURPRISED ME MOREOVER!

http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20021013/squeeze.jpg
http://www.bradpretzer.com/photo/boston/boston21m.jpg

[Paul.Power]

I see someone deleted the "sacred sacazm" thread.

Pity, as I'd just set Gardy Looo a "spot the injoke" quiz.

[thomasp]

I see someone deleted the "sacred sacazm" thread.

Pity, as I'd just set Gardy Looo a "spot the injoke" quiz.
Here ya go:

Thread deleted by agent luke
Reason: umm.. i didin't mean to make the contest so long. it was suppose to end at feb 02 2006

[Paul.Power]

Reason: umm.. i didin't mean to make the contest so long. it was suppose to end at feb 02 2006*bangs head on desk*

I can cope with most of them, but Gardy Looo and agent luke really wind me up.

Well, mostly I find agent luke funny. But Gardy is just so arrogant. He acts like he knows everything. Plus he has one of the most ringingly inane names on the board (mustard and Hot Gravy come top there).

[AndrewTaylor]

Reason for Deletion
Part three.

Attachment was infected,
Thread was resurrected,
Posts were not connected,
And yellow socks (with eyes; in Fan Art)

[Paul.Power]

Part three.

Attachment was infected,
Thread was resurrected,
Posts were not connected,
And yellow socks (with eyes; in Fan Art)*spotaneous applause*

[AndrewTaylor]

*spotaneous applause*
Yes, I thought you might like that.

Edit: I bet I've confused a few people, though.

[Paul.Power]

TBH, I've no idea what it's based on, if anything. I just liked the rhyme scheme.

In other news, I seem to have mastered the knack of getting faves on dA. Well, on one piece in dA, anyway. TETRIS: The Movie Poster (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18267012/) now has seven faves. Nothing else is above three yet...

[AndrewTaylor]

TBH, I've no idea what it's based on, if anything.
Ian Dury. Reasons to be Cheerful (part 3).

[UnKnown X]

In other news, I seem to have mastered the knack of getting faves on dA. Well, on one piece in dA, anyway. TETRIS: The Movie Poster (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18267012/) now has seven faves. Nothing else is above three yet...
Ah, faves. Weird things, those.

My most-faved piece is a quick copy-paste comic in MS Paint.

[SupSuper]

I believe faves are based on reaction, not on quality.

[Paul.Power]

I believe faves are based on reaction, not on quality.Makes sense. This may be why a daft pun about Tetris being the ultimate blockbuster and a bunch of cute, brightly coloured tetrads is way in the lead on my "most faved" list.

However, I can now use it as an Instant Fave Generator whenever I visit dA Thumbshare.

EDIT: Hmm, I've just done an order-of-magnitude calculation that puts the Sun as being 100 times less luminous than it should be. Okay, I admit this is Topics in Contemporary Astrophysics, but two orders of magnitude is pretty big...

EDIT 2: Ooh, apparantly the Schwarzschild radius of the universe is around 10^42 metres. For the record, the current observed radius of the universe is around 10^26 metres.

How does it feel, living inside a giant black hole?

[UnKnown X]

Chirac now threatens to nuke countries if France gets terrorised any more. Great. Just great.

Hello Cold War II/WW III

Damnit.

[philby4000]

I got a DS!

And after seeing my both my parents woop laugh, and most suprisingly, notch up some fairly respectable high scores at warioware, I get the feeling that nintendo are actualy on to something .

[Zero72]

Happy da!

character limit die

[AndrewTaylor]

Okay, I admit this is Topics in Contemporary Astrophysics, but two orders of magnitude is pretty big...
Two orders of magnitude is chickenfeed to Astrophysics. You're lucky if you get a finite number. If it's positive to boot then extra credit is due.

[Star Worms]

Hmm odd - I was looking through Zero's W4 trade thread when it said underneath SupSuper "SupSuper's Avatar". When I hovered over it, it became highlighted like any text which has a hyperlink. I was just about to PM him saying something along the lines of "I never knew you could use text instead of an avatar" but then after reloading the page his avatar appeared...

Edit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4693520.stm

What's the betting he doesn't make it to his 51st wedding anniversary?

[thomasp]

Hmm odd - I was looking through Zero's W4 trade thread when it said underneath SupSuper "SupSuper's Avatar". When I hovered over it, it became highlighted like any text which has a hyperlink. I was just about to PM him saying something along the lines of "I never knew you could use text instead of an avatar" but then after reloading the page his avatar appeared...

Edit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4693520.stm

What's the betting he doesn't make it to his 51st wedding anniversary?
Most likely his avatar didn't load (glitch on the server?), and you saw the "alt-text" - alternative text displayed when an image doesn't load.

Since the avatar is a link to your profile, this text will also be a link.

[Star Worms]

Most likely his avatar didn't load (glitch on the server?), and you saw the "alt-text" - alternative text displayed when an image doesn't load.

Since the avatar is a link to your profile, this text will also be a link.
Yes, I gathered that. Weird that it didn't load up though, I gave it chance.

[Paul.Power]

How do I make this as subtle and beguiling a hint as possible?

... oh, to hell with it.

PING!

EDIT: This post has been rendered obsolete by posts in the thread "MAPP Remastered". Please go there for further details.

[SupSuper]

MSN remains as silly as ever:

[19:01:51] *Sugar*Plum*: hi, hus ths?
[19:02:05] {SUP} Pickin: supsuper
[19:02:14] *Sugar*Plum*: omg
[19:02:41] *Sugar*Plum*: u on crack or sumin?
[19:03:15] * *Sugar*Plum*Fairy* ... A Slow Poison ... (l)Simon(l) X Ma
Hunni Guyz X(F)BSSKH(F) ... Ur The Air I Breathe ... Ma
Venom ... foi bloqueado(a)

Also, what is it with these sort of people always having flashing blinking question marks?

[Zero72]

According to Run, many of us have randomly had our MSN addresses added to some sort of foreign find-a-friend site or something. I have over 80 non-English-speaking people on my list, most of them blocked.

[Star Worms]

I constantly get strangers adding me on msn. They seem to be from France and Morocco. I block all of them.

[Zero72]

The vast majority are French, yeah.

[Plutonic]

its bad enough when random adders are english. I had one person asking me for help with worms.... using yahoo translater..... oh dear god.

Turned out the correct answer would have been: buy the game.
But took me about 2 hours to get to that point.

[FutureWorm]

It's well-known that Christians don't accept homosexuality, or contraception. No reasonable person would argue that we should ban them to please Christians.
Ooh, blanket generalizations are loads of fun, eh?

I honestly expected better of someone as sharp as you.

[SargeMcCluck]

Ooh, blanket generalizations are loads of fun, eh?

I honestly expected better of someone as sharp as you.

Andrew's been posting sarcy comments for four years and you still don't appreciate it?

I honestly expected better of someone as sharp as you.

[AndrewTaylor]

Ooh, blanket generalizations are loads of fun, eh?
You realise that the statement "Christians don't accept homosexuality, or contraception" does not contain the word "all"? Not "All Christians", just some unspecified number of them. It's ambiguous at worst, and when one of the Christians who doesn't accept those things is the Pope I think it's safe to assume that that is the view of at least on Christian church as a whole. Besides, I very much doubt that all Muslims would be offended by a picture of Mohammed -- as I said, there's nothing in the koran about it; it's just something someone decided should be offensive later -- all the Koran says is that it's impossible to draw a good likeness of Allah.

The view of the Catholic Church is that homosexuality and contraception are wrong. Only last week I saw a letter in a Christian newspaper suggesting banning homosexuality.

I think in this kind of debate you have to start assuming people are talking about vocal minorities of authorities instead of generalising to everyone in the world, or else by the time you've finished you'll have spent a fifth of your life saying the phrase "a vocal minoriy of" over and over again.

[SupSuper]

The vast majority are French, yeah.Same here. By now I've learned that "slt" is the french-equivalent of "asl".

[FutureWorm]

You realise that the statement "Christians don't accept homosexuality, or contraception" does not contain the word "all"? Not "All Christians", just some unspecified number of them. It's ambiguous at worst, and when one of the Christians who doesn't accept those things is the Pope I think it's safe to assume that that is the view of at least on Christian church as a whole.
Well, it honestly would have been rather nice if you had said "many Christians". The implication is rather clear; if I were to say "British people are rather well-behaved chaps" it would probably be a halfway true statement, but overall not really true because there are indeed some Brits who are not decent chaps at all.

Do you see what I am getting at here?

Also, it isn't necessarily entirely fair to use the Pope as a spokesman for Christianity, considering how he isn't God incarnate or anything. But I digress.

[AndrewTaylor]

Well, it honestly would have been rather nice if you had said "many Christians". The implication is rather clear; if I were to say "British people are rather well-behaved chaps" it would probably be a halfway true statement, but overall not really true because there are indeed some Brits who are not decent chaps at all.

Do you see what I am getting at here?
Yes, but I think it's something of a straw-man argument to pick up on it: you attribute an unreasonable opinion (which I clearly don't hold) to me, and then dismiss my argument as being based on it.

Also, it isn't necessarily entirely fair to use the Pope as a spokesman for Christianity, considering how he isn't God incarnate or anything. But I digress.
God? Can't ask God's opinion. According to the Doctrine of the Unity of the Trinity, God is the same person as Jesus, and Jesus was baptised as a Jew. Highest up proper Christian we've got is the Pope. Plus, we can all agree that the Pope exists. Better still, according to the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility, anything the Pope says is automatically true, so I really think it is fair to take his word as gospel, as it were.

In any case, anybody who doesn't believe this, one could argue, is not a proper Catholic, at least, not for the purposes of this argument. If I said "All Christians believe in Jesus" would that be an unfair generalisation? Then why should some other aspect of their religion be seen as optional?

[FutureWorm]

In any case, anybody who doesn't believe this, one could argue, is not a proper Catholic, at least, not for the purposes of this argument. If I said "All Christians believe in Jesus" would that be an unfair generalisation? Then why should some other aspect of their religion be seen as optional?
Protestants don't view the Pope as being any greater than anyone else. But saying "the Pope isn't a spokesperson for Christianity" didn't really make sense, I admit. I was tired...

Anyway, I don't particularly want to go on about this, as it isn't contributing to the generally lighthearted nature of this thread.

Also, I don't think it was a "straw man" argument; here in the US, British are commonly stereotyped as ultra-polite and highly refined. Similarly, it is far too easy to profile all Christians as having certain views.

But like I said, let's discuss this somewhere else, aye?

[thomasp]

According to BBC News Online, Dick Cheney just shot and injured someone while shooting quails: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4707354.stm

If we can't trust the US Vice President, who can we trust?

[AndrewTaylor]

If we can't trust the US Vice President, who can we trust?
Trustworthy people?

[Zero72]

When I first saw it on TV, I thought it said that he was shot and injured. The first thing that hit me was the incredible irony of a major Republican figure being accidentally shot on a hunting trip. It's less funny this way.

[FutureWorm]

The first thing that hit me was the incredible irony of a major Republican figure being accidentally shot on a hunting trip. It's less funny this way.
I actually think this is funnier because of Cheney's reputation as being highly bloodthirsty. :p

[SupSuper]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=536

Wikipedia ***ed the US Congress.

[MonkeyforaHead]

*** al n00bz lolol

[Paul.Power]

It's back, and it's still throwing stones across some ice while sweeping...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/winter_sports/results/4690030.stm

[Zero72]

Curling is freakin' weird.

[Pigbuster]

If by weird you mean AWESOME.

[UnKnown X]

I believe one of my teachers' daughter is in the Norwegian curling team.

[AndrewTaylor]

If by weird you mean AWESOME.
And by AWESOME you mean bizarre.

[Zero72]

The deadly hurricane Zeor spins madly towards the unsuspecting triple cheeseburger!

OH GOD THE HUMANITY

Thing never knew what hit it.

Yeah, my heart attack will come a week sooner now, baby.

[SupSuper]

http://84.40.3.164/

[FutureWorm]

http://84.40.3.164/
How on earth do you find these things?

[Glenn]

Contrary to popular belief, there are other forums out there...

I know, it shocked me too when I learned about this phenomena, but I got over it. So will you.

[FutureWorm]

Contrary to popular belief, there are other forums out there...

I know, it shocked me too when I learned about this phenomena, but I got over it. So will you.
Sorry for being a noob.

*goes over to the corner and sits with his head down*

[Slick]

Aww you just got ***d. :(

Why is it that all the people that shouldnt wear tight clothing do?
I saw this one huge women the other day wearing somthing that doesnt leave much to the imagination...why cant people like that just have low self-esteem like the rest of us and not go out in public like that? :p

[Pigbuster]

Probably because all of the people who shouldn't wear tight clothing are distressed because they are the type of person who shouldn't wear tight clothing, and they want to think of themselves as NOT being the type of person who shouldn't wear tight clothing, so they delude themselves into thinking that they are the types of people who should wear tight clothing.
That doesn't answer your second question, though.