Unwatched and ready to rumble!

[Kelster23]

Better then your first pencil drawings, awesome :D
Are you trying shading with pencils too?

[Shadowmoon]

Are you trying shading with pencils too?

I haven't tried yet, but Its possible i'll try in my next hand-drawn picture.

I'm thinking of changing the style of body, so I did this picture. Originally I was going to make it an 'Angel Worm' but I couldn't get the wings right.

I also tried a new pose too.

Next up will be a poses sheet, and i'm practicing with expressions so I may post an expressions sheet.

[SupSuper]

You might wanna get a better eraser.

[Shadowmoon]

You might wanna get a better eraser.

I'm going to get a better one next week. I only bought that rubber a few days ago, and its crap.

I have decided that I'm going to lay off shading for a while. I'm going to draw some new Poses and some new expressions, because I haven't explored them enough. (I'll try to learn how shading works, btw)

I drew another picture with a new expression:

[Kelster23]

Hey I like the new body style :D

[Shadowmoon]

Hey I like the new body style :D

Thank you, glad you like it.:D

[Akuryou13]

the expressions are pretty good. actually, just in general they're pretty good. I think the jumping worm's tail may be a tad short, though.

[McMaster]

The poses and bodies are much better, including the hands, although you should try fixing the tongue.

[Shadowmoon]

the expressions are pretty good. actually, just in general they're pretty good. I think the jumping worm's tail may be a tad short, though.

Thank you.

I'll remake the picture and make the tail longer.

you should try fixing the tongue.

Is he right? I'm really not sure :confused:

[Akuryou13]

Thank you.

I'll remake the picture and make the tail longer.not really necessary. just keep in mind the tail length for future jumping worms :p it's not anything that's painful to look at or anything.

[Pyramid]

Don't think the tail is a problem, as long as fits well in the style...

[McMaster]

Is he right? I'm really not sure :confused:

I'm pretty sure you were told not to make the tongue like that.

[Shadowmoon]

This was the last picture I created with a tongue:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Shad13_album/Wormangrymouth.png

Its not exactly identical to my new one.

Not saying its a flawless tongue, but nobody else has mentioned it at all so i'm going to guess that its okay.

[super_frea]

Yeah that tongue is still kinda... backwards.

[Shadowmoon]

Okay.


Next time I do an expression that involves a tongue i'll try and make it not look so backwards.

The next thing i'm going to attempt is an Angry expression. Quickly flicking back through my art threads I noticed that when I did Angry Expression's then they didn't look so angry.

[Pyramid]

I don't think you realize WHERE you are wrong. You just listen to people saying that it's wrong and you say "ok. I'll try to make right next time". But you need to know where are you making the mistakes so you can fix them...

Look
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/809/wormstonguessl9.png
Here I show the point that it's wrong
A simple misplaced line like that, makes the whole difference on the draw. The line on your drawing shows a backwards tongue. Watch where the line should be on my examples.

Memorize things like that so you don't do it again

PS: I've had an *ss time doing that example on paint since I need to use a laptop's touchpad, so you better at least take a look and try to understand! :mad:
PS²: The skecthy style is just my way to draw on paint..

[Shadowmoon]

I was planning on looking at good artists tongues to get a good example of what a tongue looks like, but I've just had a look at that picture now and I understand what it needs to look like now.

Thank you for that.

Speaking of paint, i've being practicing using the mouse in paint for some months now. In my first art thread Shadowmoons art, one of my old mouse pictures is in the first post. I didn't post any more after that, though.

EDIT: A picture made in paint:

http://i34.tinypic.com/9i4tpd.png

Thats how I draw in paint now. Most of the time I practice in paint.

[Gardy Looo]

Teeth are basically two blocks on top of each other, not curved. And try to make the pointer finger a bit thicker.

[McMaster]

That's nice for MSPaint, but when you want to show pictures in the public use Flash.

[Akuryou13]

That's nice for MSPaint, but when you want to show pictures in the public use Flash.oh will you just shut the hell up already?! every word of advice out of you has been bad. just stop giving it.

[McMaster]

oh will you just shut the hell up already?! Every word of advice out of you has been bad. Just stop giving it.

ok. 1234567890

[Kelster23]

Teeth are basically two blocks on top of each other, not curved. And try to make the pointer finger a bit thicker.

Well, unless you get punched in the teeth, causing the whole bone to curve inwards!

[Plasma]

Well, unless you get punched in the teeth, causing the whole bone to curve inwards!
1: What is up with you and coming up with ridiculous excuses for bad art practices?
2: The worm would have to have very powerful gums.

[Shadowmoon]

Teeth are basically two blocks on top of each other, not curved. And try to make the pointer finger a bit thicker.

I've seen a number of artists (good ones) do teeth like that. However, when they do it they make it a lot less curved, would that be ok?

[Akuryou13]

I've seen a number of artists (good ones) do teeth like that. However, when they do it they make it a lot less curved, would that be ok?yeah. you got the basic shape right, but they should just be less curved. teeth are flat, so just make them mostly flat and meet at an angle sort of thing.

[Kelster23]

1: What is up with you and coming up with ridiculous excuses for bad art practices?
2: The worm would have to have very powerful gums.

Because the world of cartooning knows no limits.
Though now that I think about it, only the front teeth would bend inwards, because fists aren't shaped like the gum so only the place that was punched would curve inwards...
On topic: drawing skulls is good practice.

[Shadowmoon]

Pic of my sigworm:

http://i36.tinypic.com/15qywly.png

I changed the tail a little bit, and I think that suits the style more, what do you think?

I shaded the picture too. I am still practicing and learning how light works, but i'll still post computer-drawn pictures here.

Next up is a picture of my sigworm in his his combat suit.

[yauhui]

Lol this thread has nearly 5 times the views of Zeor's MS Paint Adventures. I wonder if he's crying.

Ontopic: As said, I think the base should be flatter (unless that's fat bulging out).

Oh and assuming the worm is facing away from us, his left eye should be slightly bigger than his right eye, and not the other way round.

[Shadowmoon]

I'll fix the eyes, as for the tail, I'm not sure.

[Akuryou13]

actually, I think if you flipped the placement of the eyes it would be workable.

and as for the lighting, that's pretty good. very nicely done.

btw, what sort of suit is he wearing there? it's rather devoid of detail. is it supposed to be a sort of leather/rubber suit sort of thing?

[Shadowmoon]

is it supposed to be a sort of leather/rubber suit sort of thing?

Yes, but i'm thinking of changing it to something else. Possibly the 'S' shirt I used to have for my sigworm.

[super_frea]

What's wrong with just a suit or tuxedo?

[Shadowmoon]

On second thoughts, I won't give my sigworm the 'S' shirt at all. It'll make my sigworm not look like a Secret Agent.

I'll give it a tuxedo or suit like you suggested.

I've being having a few problems with the collar and tie, which is why I switched to something more simple. But I will try to do one, but sorry if it looks too simple.

[Akuryou13]

On second thoughts, I won't give my sigworm the 'S' shirt at all. It'll make my sigworm not look like a Secret Agent.

I'll give it a tuxedo or suit like you suggested.you could always do a yellow tie with an S on THAT. :p

[Plasma]

you could always do a yellow tie with an S on THAT. :p
But that'd completely nullify the point on having a disguise.


And I don't know whether that'd make the character better or worse...

[Shadowmoon]

But that'd completely nullify the point on having a disguise.


And I don't know whether that'd make the character better or worse...

It was a joke, Aku wasn't being serious :p

[shadowman]

Perhaps inconspicuous s-shaped cufflinks.

[yauhui]

How about a tuxedo with a S pin? You know, some VIPs have their nametags.. just instead of nametags, a plain ol' S?

Or maybe have a tie, and an S tiepin? those things which clip your tie to your shirt so that they don't fall off...

Hey, a button with the S would be nice. or sunglasses.

I can go on and on and on.....

[super_frea]

NO!
I should be the only one with the Letter S on an item of clothing. :mad:

[Plasma]

NO!
I should be the only one with the Letter S on an item of clothing. :mad:
I'm sure Slick has a jacket with "Stud" written on the back...

[Pyramid]

You'll be hearing from Superman's lawyers

[Shadowmoon]

http://i34.tinypic.com/ionko6.png

Preview of my upcoming pic- Shadowman.

I haven't forgot about giving my sigworm a tuxedo- I'm going to try and draw one after i've done Shadowman.

There's still a few things to add, and some things may be changed when the picture is posted.

EDIT: It may include a background too.

[Akuryou13]

the bandana is resting on top of his head. the left side is fine where it is, but the right needs to be wide enough to cover the widest part of his head and it needs to be farther down. if you need I can make an example.

[Shadowmoon]

Yeah, i'll need an example.

[Akuryou13]

Yeah, i'll need an example.ok. watching anime atm, but I'll do something quick once I'm done.

[Akuryou13]

ok. used a self-portrait to illustrate the point in this.

the first version shows your drawing. based on where the head of the worm you drew would naturally curve (which I showed with the green line) the worm would be wearing the bandana on the top left corner of his head. to provide a frame of reference, I added the bandana in a similar position to the drawing I did. as you can see, it looks a little odd with a person wearing it that way. add to that the position the hair would have to be in to keep the bandana like that and you've got yourself a very strange bandana.

in the second picture, the green lines show where the bandana SHOULD be. people wear bandanas on their forehead, tied over their ears and then down the back of their heads, worms would be the same. basically, you need to take the bandana and twist it then lower it, which is precisely what I did on the bottom right image. once you've got the bandana in the position showed by the green lines on the bottom left or by your own lines on the bottom right, you then need to fix the hair. the bottom of the tuft of hair sticking out the front of shadowman's head should be no lower than the top line of the bandana. hair grows out of the head, not the bandana, so the bandana has to go around the hair. basically, this means that the bandana would be worn UNDER the hair line, and that any hair would start at the top of the bandana as is illustrated by the RED line in the bottom left picture.

this next part isn't as important:

the back of the bandana, as drawn by you, would be wrapped around the hair in a weird sort of pony-tail-holder sort of thing. this isn't necessarily wrong, it just depends on how you want to draw it, and I wanted to make you aware of it. if you want it to be tied like most people would tie a bandana, then you'll have tassles of some variety sticking down the back, like I showed with the green line. if you want to show the bandana tied AROUND the pony-tail then you'll want to draw it as you did, or I did in the red there. again, this isn't a pivotal part of the picture, but it's something you should be conscious of when drawing. as it is, I couldn't tell which of these 2 that part of the bandana was supposed to be without it being colored, so I figured I'd bring this up.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4915/shadowmoonhelp2xh5.jpg

[Shadowmoon]

Fixed the bandana:

http://i34.tinypic.com/8yyob4.png

[Akuryou13]

yep. there ya go. basically, anyway.

it's still really high on his head, and as mentioned, the front of the hair should start from above the bandana. but, ya know, it's a good starting point.

[shadowman]

Yay, I'm being drawn. The way Aku drew the bandana on that guy looks like a beret I wear occasionally. :p

[Shadowmoon]

Out of curiosity, what stage am I at in my art now?

Judging the comments, I think i'm in the 'starting to get somewhere' stage. Which means my art is OK.

[Pyramid]

I would say 'not bad, but still lacking common logic of perspective'
You starting to get how to make the lines but you still don't know to use your logic to make things physically correct
Like hats behind the heads, further eyes bigger and etc
Since I can't make myself clear on English, I'll wait for someone else to say something

[super_frea]

The perspective of the hair is wrong. I seems you copied it from here,
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7721/sdwmnmkiigl4.png
which also looks wrong.

[Shadowmoon]

How can I fix the perspective of the hair?

Would putting hair further down on the head fix this?

[Pyramid]

By the way
Those looks like my version of Shadowman that I've done on my thread

[Shadowmoon]

I had to look at some Shadowman Pics to find out what the Jacket and hair looked like.

[Plasma]

When you're done, I request one of my new (yet not) sigworm

[Akuryou13]

How can I fix the perspective of the hair?

Would putting hair further down on the head fix this?basically do what I suggested. lower the bandana a little bit and raise the bottom of the hair a bit, so that the bottom line of the hair is coming out from the top line of the bandana.

[shadowman]

I've always drawn my hair incorrectly.

That's just me. The bandana is kind of high up though.

And the picture SFrea supplied was my own work. It was influenced by pyramid's style.

[Pyramid]

I've always drawn my hair incorrectly.

That's just me. The bandana is kind of high up though.

And the picture SFrea supplied was my own work. It was influenced by pyramid's style.

Someone's using my styles! I'm flatered :)

[shadowman]

Just for that picture, mind you.

[Shadowmoon]

basically do what I suggested. lower the bandana a little bit and raise the bottom of the hair a bit, so that the bottom line of the hair is coming out from the top line of the bandana.

Like this?

http://i33.tinypic.com/14d0zg9.png

Like hats behind the heads, further eyes bigger and etc

I'll try and make the eye's wider in this upcoming pic, and i'll make them bigger too.

When you're done, I request one of my new (yet not) sigworm

Ok, i'll do you after Shadowman.

EDIT: Ooops, forgot the line in the middle of the bandana. It'll be added when I complete the picture.

[Pyramid]

What Aku is trying to say, is that the hair comes from above the bandana and not on the side of it

Like this:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9417/quickestpaintexampleevebf6.png
Ignore all the rest of the draw
It's just to show the point where the bandana and the hair meets

[Akuryou13]

well actually, yes. what you did that time looks fine, IMO. I was trying to stress what pyramid is saying, though. however, having the hair do what it's doing in that latest version seems to be rather common.

basically, I find that art is just a big test of how much you can get away with, not necessarily how accurate you can be. :p what you did on that latest one is wrong, yes, but not so much that I would comment about it. if, like me, you want to do everything as close to perfect as possible, you've still got to move the hair up a bit to the TOP line of the bandana. if you don't care, where it's at is good enough not to warrant comment most of the time.

[super_frea]

Yeah I agree. I think that last one is fine.

[Shadowmoon]

I edited my post in the Character Profile thread and replaced the picture with this one, so I might as well post it here....

http://i44.tinypic.com/3532ycy.png

I recently started practicing drawing people, thats why I haven't posted pictures here for a short while.

I gave Agent Moon a tuxedo instead of that T shirt that looked like rubber.

I haven't forgot about Shadowman, and will post that soon. I haven't completed it yet.

I'll also start work on Pyramid too.

[Shadowmoon]

I'm not going to be doing art for a while, i've decided.

I'm going to practice offline for a bit.... maybe a year, maybe 6 months or something.


I don't really like my style of drawing worms at the moment. I don't think its terrible or anything, overall I think its ok. But I don't want to think that of my style. I want to like my style, just like most of the other fanartists around here do, so i'm practicing offline for a bit, putting pencil to paper, doodling and doodling until I find a style I really like, that I feel will be liked by others when I post pictures in that style on the forums.

And I won't just practice with worms, i'll practice drawing other stuff too, because I don't want to be good at drawing just worms.

Recently, i've only just created a new style for how I draw humans, i'm not really happy with the new style or anything, and there is a lot more I could do to improve it, too. The latest picture I drew in my new style was this (http://i33.tinypic.com/15gftcw.png) in December last year....

[Akuryou13]

for the record: I entirely endorse Action! Cartooning still :p

[Shadowmoon]

No, i'm not doing art again. I've just got a question to ask......


Is the style of the head.....

http://i40.tinypic.com/2v2tzmb.png


Better than this one?


http://i43.tinypic.com/m7su4l.png

[Akuryou13]

the head looks a little funky given how skinny the tail is.

assuming you made the tail a bit fatter, I'd say sure to the head.

[Shadowmoon]

Uhh, one question I forgot to ask.... what is the shading like on the latest shaded picture?


I'm probably going to start doing art again soon.... perhaps in a new art thread, as this thread contains many bad pictures that I shudder at when even viewing them.



Well, I have been practicing sometimes in flash, but I haven't felt like doing art at all lately so i'm going to try getting into it again.




I'm probably going to change my sigworm a bit at some point, maybe add a flamethrower to it or something, not seen any sigs with flamethrowers yet.


Also:

http://i27.tinypic.com/1536893.png



Compared to my swords that I drew before, is this improved?

[robowurmz]

Compared to my swords that I drew before, is this improved?

Absolutely! Much better!

[Akuryou13]

HUGE improvement! that's actually quite good.

[Shadowmoon]

Thanks for the comments. I'll probably create the new art thread within a week or two and I aim to have 3 pictures to show at least.

[shadowman]

Just post to this thread.

[Shadowmoon]

Eh, I felt like drawing again today.

http://i42.tinypic.com/4rrz40.png

Still gotta decide on a new sigworm...

More soon.

[Esbern]

Wow... i just looked though the entire thread ... you have REALLY improved... Wish i was as good in drawing :(

You should post something in the "Add to the Worms-Comic" thread ;)

EDIT: I can only do this good:
http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww292/Esbern/MyfirstGIMPworm.jpg
This is my first try with GIMP So i didn't know how to use all the tools ^^

[Shadowmoon]

Thanks, good artists to have a look at and attempt to copy their style as a starting point are Splapp and Huntakilla, both are the best artists in the forum in my opinion and its hard to decide exactly which one is best :p I used a tutorial that Splapp made as a starting point.

I did post something in the worms comic thread, remember? and I would post something now, but I don't have much time left, anyways I have an old art thread, here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36060) but it is very cringeworthy. I can't bear to look at it D:

I think i'll post some expressions soon, and then after that draw some sigworms.

[Esbern]

Ohh yeah, you were the first one to reply... sorry I forgot ^^ Hope to see more ;)

and ye those pictures doesn't look quite like your new ones xD

Ohh and i edited my picture a bit:
http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww292/Esbern/MyfirstGimpworms-1.jpg

Something of the black is darker than the other ... dunno why :confused:

[Akuryou13]

esbern, posting art in someone else's thread is not in good manners here. please post your own thread if you have something to display and get advice on. it's just less confusing that way.

[Shadowmoon]

Yeah, what Aku said. You might want to lay off gimp if you've only started drawing worms because it is a bit complicated...

Anyone wanna be drawn?

[Pyramid]

If you're willing to take the challenge, yes

[.JeT]

Why not me. If it's not too complicated :cool:

[Thurbo]

I like Splapp's art pretty much but it's got its very own style thus I recommend you to take a look at original arts at first. Try Worms3D website, it's got the best examples so far imo

[SgtFusion]

Ohh yeah, you were the first one to reply... sorry I forgot ^^ Hope to see more ;)

and ye those pictures doesn't look quite like your new ones xD

Ohh and i edited my picture a bit:
[IMAGE]

Something of the black is darker than the other ... dunno why :confused:
The gun he's holding looks like a hot-glue gun.

[.JeT]

In fact, I have never believed in copying another work of an artist for the sake of practice. I'm totally hardcore because I'm self-learned :cool:

[Thurbo]

Of course I learned it myself too, but where would you know how worms look like if you'd never taken a look at them?

You can just learn by watching how they look like :D I quite wonder how you did it without.

If you mean nobody had to teach you then yar right.


Copying art is also very difficult I think, everybody will develop his own style and you can't avoid it, concerning details (for example: your special layout of the eyebrows, I tend to draw worms with mono-eyes [which is because I used to draw a comic "The Martians" in which characters also got some])

[.JeT]

Of course I learned it myself too, but where would you know how worms look like if you'd never taken a look at them?

You can just learn by watching how they look like :D I quite wonder how you did it without.

If you mean nobody had to teach you then yar right.


Copying art is also very difficult I think, everybody will develop his own style and you can't avoid it, concerning details (for example: your special layout of the eyebrows, I tend to draw worms with mono-eyes [which is because I used to draw a comic "The Martians" in which characters also got some])

I played the games, then I drew them.
No looking at a piece of official art or otherwise fan-made ones. No tracing.

[Thurbo]

Uh-huh.

Well it looks similar to 3D Worms series. You have looked at them anyway.

Plus, you had never used Wormpot or anything where official art is added in-game then xD When you played W3D, you had to shut your eyes in the menues for not to see any art, lol

[Akuryou13]

Uh-huh.

Well it looks similar to 3D Worms series. You have looked at them anyway.

Plus, you had never used Wormpot or anything where official art is added in-game then xD When you played W3D, you had to shut your eyes in the menues for not to see any art, lol......OF COURSE HE'S SEEN WORMS BEFORE!

ffs, he can draw them can't he? that means he's seen them before. their existence being entirely based in a form of art means he has seen worms art before. now quit being a pedantic ass hat and think about what he's actually saying.

he never STUDIED art from anyone else while trying to draw. he learned to do so by simply drawing until he got it right. he took what he knew from seeing the worms in-game and applied that to his drawings. he'd SEEN plenty of art from both T17 and probably fans here on the forums, but when learning to draw he did so without anything but the image in his mind.

[Shadowmoon]

I basically copied poses and styles from other artists, for years until I managed to build my own style.

I'

[Thurbo]

......OF COURSE HE'S SEEN WORMS BEFORE!

ffs, he can draw them can't he? that means he's seen them before. their existence being entirely based in a form of art means he has seen worms art before. now quit being a pedantic ass hat and think about what he's actually saying.

he never STUDIED art from anyone else while trying to draw. he learned to do so by simply drawing until he got it right. he took what he knew from seeing the worms in-game and applied that to his drawings. he'd SEEN plenty of art from both T17 and probably fans here on the forums, but when learning to draw he did so without anything but the image in his mind.

That's actually what I tried to express :p It might be due to my English is lacking a bit, but that's exactly what I meant

[Akuryou13]

That's actually what I tried to express :p It might be due to my English is lacking a bit, but that's exactly what I meantyes, but the context of the way you did it was mocking. you were trying to tell him that he's obviously seen worms before and therefore has studied worms before. you're being dense.

he said he didn't STUDY anyone's drawings of worms before. he didn't sit and stare at anyone else's work while trying to figure out how to draw them. all he did was use what he knew and worked out of his own mind. there is a HUGE difference between studying someone else's work and trying to emulate their style and developing your own style by drawing only from what you know.

[Thurbo]

However I did it the same way and you might not call it studying, but of course he draws worms slightly as T17 does, don't you think so? It is because he looked at them in-game and tryed to draw them afterwards.

[Akuryou13]

However I did it the same way and you might not call it studying, but of course he draws worms slightly as T17 does, don't you think so? It is because he looked at them in-game and tryed to draw them afterwards.either your grasp of english is not enough to catch what I'm trying to explain, my explanation isn't clear, or you're an idiot.

either way this discussion is bearing no fruit and I'll be finding myself a new orchard to pick from.

[super_frea]

In fact, I have never believed in copying another work of an artist for the sake of practice. I'm totally hardcore because I'm self-learned :cool:

Snap.
*Self learnt five*

[.JeT]

Snap.
*Self learnt five*

Awesome.

Also, thanks Aku for proving a point. I guess you can really elaborate on it better than me.

EDIT: Actually, I whipped up a little picture to better illustrate.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9716/notmeslashme.png

While "Not me" is obviously sitting there, tracing and/or studying the drawing of official or fan-made art, "Me" just plays the game and draws whatever comes to mind. And then he practices again and again and again. Not the same posture, style or anything. Practicing different poses, views, angles and looking for small tricks from the real world from which he can detail his drawings and make them better. This gives MUCH more experience and you also learn faster than someone who copies a style at first.

[Akuryou13]

Also, thanks Aku for proving a point. I guess you can really elaborate on it better than me.lol, I spend most of my week being critiqued by teachers or listening to them critique others. I'm starting to get the hang of how to describe things art-related :p

[Thurbo]

However people that GOT to copy styles are obviously not very good in drawing, otherwise they hadn't :p

It's not that I tryed to copy styles, although I've taken some looks at how worms are drawn by T17 (Just that I know how they draw eyebrows for example thus they don't end up like yours ;)) To be honest, I've actually drawn them this like:
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/Thurbo1/eye.jpg?t=1269109299

In the era of W3D generations I decided to change their style though, just because they look much better:http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/Thurbo1/eye2.jpg?t=1269109257

I don't know wether you'd call this copying, I don't. I just draw them as I think it's best ;)

[Akuryou13]

However people that GOT to copy styles are obviously not very good in drawing, otherwise they hadn't :p

It's not that I tryed to copy styles, although I've taken some looks at how worms are drawn by T17 (Just that I know how they draw eyebrows for example thus they don't end up like yours ;)) To be honest, I've actually drawn them this like:
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/Thurbo1/eye.jpg?t=1269109299

In the era of W3D generations I decided to change their style though, just because they look much better:http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/Thurbo1/eye2.jpg?t=1269109257

I don't know wether you'd call this copying, I don't. I just draw them as I think it's best ;)......you're just not getting it AT ALL, are you?

we're not saying to copy completely. we're saying that most people STUDY other drawings. whether you continue to draw like that or just do it once, the point is you're studying someone else's style to get better at your own. .Jet is saying he did not do this. he only drew from his head without ever looking at anyone else's work to study as a reference. OBVIOUSLY he's seen other works from time to time, but seeing something and studying it are 2 COMPLETELY different things.

[Thurbo]

I think I still don't get what you are trying to say

Lets see: I said he copied the style anyways because he'd watched the worms by playing and you answered me he practised and learned drawing them himself by drawing what he remembers. I think I understood that, all right...

...but then you started confusing me by saying copying and studying is not the same or something and you are right, I just don't get what you want to tell me therewith:-/

The way I changed the eyebrows, did I STUDY or COPY it?

[Akuryou13]

The way I changed the eyebrows, did I STUDY or COPY it?.....study and copy are the same thing......

[Thurbo]

Huh o.0
So what do you wanna tell me if that's not it? I'm absolutely confused now

[Plasma]

This entire discussion is one big mess of miscommunication.

[super_frea]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh10/runfast800/exit.jpg

[poninja]

IMG

:cool:

http://WWW.YES.!COM

[Shadowmoon]

.Jet is getting drawn.

The hair is going to be the most difficult bit here.

[gingerneck]

.Jet is getting drawn.

The hair is going to be the most difficult bit here.

Can you draw some hair please

[Kelster23]

I opt for Shadowmoon drawing gingerneck.

[gingerneck]

No I really like to see three hair drawings please.

[Shadowmoon]

http://i40.tinypic.com/11v5w93.jpg

This happens everytime I try to colour something in in Windows 7 paint. It SUCKS, and its annoying because i'm trying to get better with paint, but I can't thanks to this.

[Akuryou13]

.....they added anti-aliasing and DIDN'T add a tolerance to the fill tool.....brilliant......

just use the pencil instead of the paint brush. it's aliased, so it should be fine.

[Thurbo]

It's not even really anti-aliased, I mean it still looks pixelated...

[Cb14]

Paint.NET has fill tolerance implemented. And technically it's still Paint. :)

[Akuryou13]

It's not even really anti-aliased, I mean it still looks pixelated...everything is pixellated so long as it's on a computer. monitors display in pixels, so that's just how things work. anti-aliasing just adds a series of off-shade pixels that blend in with the color surrounding the line. filling in after the anti-aliasing has been added has the effect of leaving behind pixels of the colors between the line's color and the fill color. those in-betweens are always going to be individual (or small series') of pixels.

[Shadowmoon]

.....they added anti-aliasing and DIDN'T add a tolerance to the fill tool.....brilliant......

just use the pencil instead of the paint brush. it's aliased, so it should be fine.

I just tried the pencil tool just now, and it isn't anti-aliased at all. I've even looked to see if there's an option and I can't find it....

[Thurbo]

@ Aku:
What I meant was there are programs that make lines you draw much less pixelated than the one I see on that screenshot (lines are too rough). Like this I'd better not use it at all, seems to be useless (since it also causes problems if you want to colour things)

[Akuryou13]

I just tried the pencil tool just now, and it isn't anti-aliased at all. I've even looked to see if there's an option and I can't find it....wait. my point was exactly THAT it isn't anti-aliased. I thought that was the idea? so that the fill tool could be used without creating the crappy white pixels.

@ Aku:
What I meant was there are programs that make lines you draw much less pixelated than the one I see on that screenshot (lines are too rough). Like this I'd better not use it at all, seems to be useless (since it also causes problems if you want to colour things)ah. yes. well, paint will always be crap, you can't expect that to change just cause they upgraded it to have anti-aliasing :p

[Pyramid]

ah. yes. well, paint will always be crap, you can't expect that to change just cause they upgraded it to have anti-aliasing :p

HEY! Watch your mouth. Paint was awesome back in the day
Now is crap, but it was uber cool once

[Akuryou13]

HEY! Watch your mouth. Paint was awesome back in the day
Now is crap, but it was uber cool onceit was ALWAYS crap. sorry.

[Cb14]

Paint was like Assembler of painting before. Now they just ruin the perfect harmony of pixel-by-pixel drawing. :)

[Plasma]

The best thing about New Paint is that, for the first time ever, it includes... the ability to ZOOM OUT!


Also, moving more stuff away from sub-menu...sub...options and into tab bar buttons makes things a lot easier. Especially as you can allocate the Attributes ...err, menu?... to the ...umm, bar...thingum...at the top of the window.


What the hell do you call these things?!

[MtlAngelus]

it was ALWAYS crap. sorry.
Only for n00bs like you who didn't know how to use it to it's full potential. In truth, paint had everything you needed for awesomeness. It even had layer support. :cool:

[Pyramid]

Only for n00bs like you who didn't know how to use it to it's full potential. In truth, paint had everything you needed for awesomeness. It even had layer support. :cool:

This

Paint had everything you needed. Sure you're more a special effects guy (or were, it's been a long time since your fireworkys arts), so Paint would lack on that aspect, but while being simplist, paint always done the job well!

[Akuryou13]

even now that I know how to use paint, though, it's still a crap program. sure you CAN use it to create some awesome stuff, but you can also use a rock to create awesome art if you work at it enough.

[MtlAngelus]

even now that I know how to use paint, though, it's still a crap program. sure you CAN use it to create some awesome stuff, but you can also use a rock to create awesome art if you work at it enough.
Paint is very, very simple, and that's what's so great about it. Sure, you can't really do anything other than pixel art there unless you devote several years of your life on a single piece, but for that purpose it's really unbeatable. All the other tools on other programs just get in the way. Paint is streamlined and beautiful.

[Akuryou13]

Paint is very, very simple, and that's what's so great about it. Sure, you can't really do anything other than pixel art there unless you devote several years of your life on a single piece, but for that purpose it's really unbeatable. All the other tools on other programs just get in the way. Paint is streamlined and beautiful.right, but you can say the same about a chisel. sure, there are fancy new ways to carve into stone but the good old chisel is simple and streamlined.

the new tools are just better at getting the job done. the old stuff still works, sure, but there are still better ways to accomplish the same goal these days.

in the world of digital art, Paint offers nothing of its own. I can fire up Fireworks and quickly create the exact same thing I could do in paint but with integrated layers functionality even if I choose to avoid every other feature available.

it'd be like using an old chisel instead of the super-duper-swiss-army-chisel-tron-9000. sure, the chisel has its charm, but the chisel-tron-9000 is overall the better tool (and I would just like to say that if the chisel-tron is an actual product, that's just an awesome coincidence.)

[poninja]

This guy can punish any of us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU)

[SupSuper]

The best thing about New Paint is that, for the first time ever, it includes... the ability to ZOOM OUT!


Also, moving more stuff away from sub-menu...sub...options and into tab bar buttons makes things a lot easier. Especially as you can allocate the Attributes ...err, menu?... to the ...umm, bar...thingum...at the top of the window.


What the hell do you call these things?!The buttons on the titlebar are still called a toolbar (specifically, the Quick Access toolbar), the tabbed bar is called a ribbon bar. And now you wished you didn't know!

And yeah, while I could've done without the tool "improvements", the interface is a lot easier to work with now. I can actually zoom and resize in less than 5 clicks! :eek:

[Kax]

The buttons on the titlebar are still called a toolbar (specifically, the Quick Access toolbar), the tabbed bar is called a ribbon bar. And now you wished you didn't know!

That's how Microsoft does it: they take something that works fine, edit its graphics, rename it to something weird and then sell it to get tons of money, and then repeat the procedure after 1-5 years.

I do not prefer paint.

[SupSuper]

The buttons on the titlebar are still called a toolbar (specifically, the Quick Access toolbar), the tabbed bar is called a ribbon bar. And now you wished you didn't know!That's how Microsoft does it: they take something that works fine, edit its graphics, rename it to something weird and then sell it to get tons of money, and then repeat the procedure after 1-5 years.

I do not prefer paint.
Hey!


I resent being called Plasma! :mad:

[Pigbuster]

Hey!


I resent being called Plasma! :mad:

Then why'd you make that your screen name?

Geez.

[.JeT]

What a plumberface. :)