Wait...do people still play this game? [Archive]

KRD

12 Apr 2012, 18:15

Hey there. You were in PpZ, weren't you? I think we played quite a bit together at one point!

WormNet is still active, but obviously quite different than it was in 2002. There's a few popular new schemes, though the old ones still get played, especially in competition. The community is a little less dedicated and not as chummy, but it's more open to new players. Takes a bit more effort to find oldie players because we don't all hang out on WormNet but rather on forums and IRC and such and don't play as often. WA is still also getting updates, but not as frequently now. It's pretty much as good as it's going to get without a major rewrite of everything except the engine (which is hopefully going to happen someday).

Extremist2

12 Apr 2012, 19:55

Takes a bit more effort to find oldie players because we don't all hang out on WormNet but rather on forums and IRC and such and don't play as often.

Fix this, ok? :\

sPid3Yo

12 Apr 2012, 20:30

StepS

12 Apr 2012, 21:08

This (http://snoop.worms2d.info/) will quickly show you the live WormNET in all its grace :D

Pac-Man

12 Apr 2012, 22:44

I always wondered why the label above the game list says "Game" in the game client and not "Games" like in the browser snoop.
(And I want the background stars to be enabled by checkbox not with Firebug :P)

Thurbo

13 Apr 2012, 13:13

This (http://snoop.worms2d.info/) will quickly show you the live WormNET in all its grace :D

Just wondering, when in-game is there any option to remove all users who are not actually playing the game and the bots except help and hostingbuddy?

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 15:51

No, but the two white eyes and the non-bronze ranks tell you who is snoopering.

Thurbo

13 Apr 2012, 17:06

No, but the two white eyes and the non-bronze ranks tell you who is snoopering.

Ah ok, that makes it a lot less confusing. However does that mean one of those snoopers are able to give themselves a rank? Bronze, for example?

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 17:24

Bronze is default for players logged in via the real W:A game client.
The ranking system itself is disabled, so everyone has that rank.
All the other ranks are cheated through snoopers.

Phantom

13 Apr 2012, 17:32

You can also lie about your country if you use ProSnooper.

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 17:36

Yeah, and if you change the setting in the Windows control panel for the country you "reside" in.

Thurbo

13 Apr 2012, 17:38

What I wanted to know is if snoopers can change their rank to bronze making me think they were playing.

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 17:44

Yeah that's true. But if people get the choice to choose a rank, what will they take? The highest one, so many are using higher ranks if they're snooping, but there are indeed some who don't. I never watched that in detail though.

Phantom

13 Apr 2012, 17:45

@Pacman
I just set the flag to United Kingdom and it's in-game and in snooper. xD

Also, is it just me or wormsng.com never moved since I left (5-6 months ago)?

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 17:51

Yeah I'm also using other flags just to not be insulted as "nazi" and stuffs from people who obiously fail in history because of my German flag.

It didn't move, that's right. Let's hope the summer gets cold and rainy so CyberShadow and DeadCode HAVE to work inside with their computers.
(Wait they also sit inside when it's nice outside, like me! Just kidding)

Phantom

13 Apr 2012, 17:55

T_T They don't care about us.

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 18:00

They do, every day they clean up the crap in the lobby everyone forgets after he played.

Phantom

13 Apr 2012, 18:15

Really thoughtful of them, it's the most important thing in the development of 4.0.

DarkLord22

13 Apr 2012, 19:28

Yeah I'm also using other flags just to not be insulted as "nazi" and stuffs from people who obiously fail in history because of my German flag.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7mct8cnSQ1qc073co1_400.gif
Oooh, the Germans are mad at me! I’m so scared! Oooh, the Germans! Uh-oh, the Germans are going to get me!

Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 19:55

Yeah, exactly that ;(

StepS

13 Apr 2012, 20:17

Also, is it just me or wormsng.com never moved since I left (5-6 months ago)?

It actually did! :D The "Testing" has moved by 1 pixel! (from 0 to 1) !! LOL:D
Also, Design by 5 pixels and Implementation by 4.

August 2011

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Pac-Man

13 Apr 2012, 22:08

It's completely stepsy to save old versions of this page. :P

jsgnext

15 Apr 2012, 22:05

Yeah I'm also using other flags just to not be insulted as "nazi" and stuffs from people who obiously fail in history because of my German flag.

If you want to get rid of stereotypes....you should leave this planet...
I mean, every country has its good and bad stereotype...

Pac-Man

16 Apr 2012, 07:52

Thurbo

16 Apr 2012, 15:48

But after some time you get tired of the nazi discussions with retarded people who are not even willing to learn anything, so u change flag and everything's nice and beautiful and flowers and *spongebob*

Yeah because there are totally no stereotypes in SpongeBob!

- There are sharks in there!
- Hey, that’s my family you’re talking about.
- Uhh... A sea monster!
- You know, we sea monsters have made great strides in the fields of science and literature.

Obn3g0n

18 Apr 2012, 00:52

I remember you spid3yo!! You were in my clan xAx (ANARCHY) and PpZ a million years ago when I was JoE.. Did you get a working copy yet?

xCrazyx

22 Apr 2012, 05:05

Takes a bit more effort to find oldie players because we don't all hang out on WormNet but rather on forums and IRC and such and don't play as often.

C'mon KRD, what's that for a statement? Stop that oldschool attitude. What is your definition of an oldie anyway? First generation wormer? Second generation Worms 2'er/WA from the 90's?

On a daily basis at WN, you have atleast 10-15 players that have been playing online for 10+ years. They are all active as hell, they play clanners, singles, funners, they're league admins and what not. You even got an entireclan, CKC, which has been around for almost 12 years. It's still going strong at WN, every day. Active!

Your statement makes it sound like there's a group of players being set to dust over at IRC, while there's only fresh blood around at WN (which isn't a bad thing for that matter). Please remove that dust off your shoulders KRD :( I know I referred to you as ancient the other day, but please...

KRD

22 Apr 2012, 22:36

If you did less reading between the lines and more actual reading, my friend, you would see that what I posted is simply the truth. Compared to ten years ago, the WA community has definitely shifted away from WormNet, first to websites and forums, then to messengers, IRC channels, shoutboxes and what have you. I didn't say oldie players never came to WormNet anymore, only that if you specifically wanted to get in touch with someone, waiting for them to join #AG wasn't the optimal approach anymore, as opposed to back then. In the case of PpZ clan members, you would be looking for them on entirely the wrong game, even!

Really, that's all I said. :confused:

Extremist2

23 Apr 2012, 09:22

I didn't say oldie players never came to WormNet anymore, only that if you specifically wanted to get in touch with someone, waiting for them to join #AG wasn't the optimal approach anymore, as opposed to back then.

Again - please fix this.

KRD

23 Apr 2012, 18:41

Easier said than done. It's basically fighting human nature, technological progress and T17 all at the same time. :p

Thurbo

23 Apr 2012, 18:55

Do you want Team17 to stimulate you to actively play the game?

yakuza

24 Apr 2012, 16:43

KRD, fix all the wrong with WA.

Extremist2

24 Apr 2012, 19:43

KRD, fix all the wrong with WA.

Wrong acronym. You want CS & DC...

StepS

25 Apr 2012, 12:14

Wrong acronym. You want CS & DC...

or spadge :o (just kidding)

yakuza

25 Apr 2012, 14:25

Wrong acronym. You want CS & DC...

If only you knew...

sPid3Yo

22 May 2012, 20:17

I remember you spid3yo!! You were in my clan xAx (ANARCHY) and PpZ a million years ago when I was JoE.. Did you get a working copy yet?

Yes I got my copy!!! Attempted a few games but I'm garbage mostly. Funny enough I don't remember all the abbreviations for the rules and keep getting kicked from games.

I seem to have some issues with maps not loading (gets stuck on please wait for level to load). I'm also not completely sure how people are setting the random maps/schemes/etc etc. I'm old school, this hostingbuddy **** wasn't around when I was playing.

StepS

23 May 2012, 05:18

I seem to have some issues with maps not loading (gets stuck on please wait for level to load). I'm also not completely sure how people are setting the random maps/schemes/etc etc. I'm old school, this hostingbuddy **** wasn't around when I was playing.

in which path did you install the game? Are you sure that: antiviruses/firewalls/routers and such don't block this type of data?
Hostingbuddy isn't the main thing, in fact WormNAT2 (http://worms2d.info) allows hosting for 99.97% of people even behind firewalls, routers, etc. Just i) not everyone, speaking of newbies, knows about it, ii) not everyone will desire to install it, and iii) some people like the auto scheme and map selection offered by hostingbuddy rather than choosing themselves. Not to mention that the majority of hostingbuddy users in fact could host properly without need of any proxy, 60-70% with the need to configure router, and the others already open or prepared to host properly

GreeN

23 May 2012, 13:51

[citation needed]

Thurbo

23 May 2012, 14:14

Yes I got my copy!!! Attempted a few games but I'm garbage mostly. Funny enough I don't remember all the abbreviations for the rules and keep getting kicked from games.

Hmm, I remember the time I could not speak English, and thus didn't even get to be aware there were rules.

I figured I was getting kicked so often because I was new and the medal kind of thing besides my name not improving to gold. Or maybe because I was German.

Horror.

StepS

23 May 2012, 15:16

the medal kind of thing besides my name not improving to gold.

ranks in WA are disabled since 2000. If you see any rank higher than bronze - it's a custom rank set through a third-party program (snooper or irc client), and thus a fake one

PS: all ranks (http://snoop.worms2d.info:17030/snooper/images/rankstrip.gif) (highest is 3-stars).

[citation needed]
99.97% because I remember a guy whose internet was being connected through two satellites. :) and WormNAT2 didn't work for him

sPid3Yo

24 May 2012, 05:36

Fixed the map issue

It's cool to see so many people playing...gotta re learn all the F keys tho

Extremist2

18 Aug 2012, 05:02

Your statement makes it sound like there's a group of players being set to dust over at IRC, while there's only fresh blood around at WN

Turns out this is pretty accurate. When I go into AG, I almost never see any of the old-time hardcore players there. 95% relative newbies who either play rope or fail half of their turns in normal. I go into this forum or the IRC, and boom, there they all are.

This is a big problem, fellas. The newbies need to interact with the pros, and I mean NEED in the strongest possible sense. Any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? The opening scene sums up this situation pretty well, IMO...

I like to do things the traditional way, by booting up the game, not a snooper, and rubbing elbows with whomever shows up. But it gets boring for me because I'm a pretty good player and most of the others ain't.

Join me, and we shall kill two birds (or worms, if you prefer) with one stone. (Those being inexperienced new players & my lethargy, in case y'all were too distracted by yourselves to properly dissect the above...)

Maybe it would help if the IRC was advertised in WormNET, or even better, you start using WormNET as your IRC? ;)

EDIT: I tried hanging out with the NNN clan - too hardcore for my taste... :-/

raffie

18 Aug 2012, 09:21

Turns out this is pretty accurate. When I go into AG, I almost never see any of the old-time hardcore players there. 95% relative newbies who either play rope or fail half of their turns in normal. I go into this forum or the IRC, and boom, there they all are.

This is a big problem, fellas. The newbies need to interact with the pros, and I mean NEED in the strongest possible sense. Any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? The opening scene sums up this situation pretty well, IMO...

I like to do things the traditional way, by booting up the game, not a snooper, and rubbing elbows with whomever shows up. But it gets boring for me because I'm a pretty good player and most of the others ain't.

Join me, and we shall kill two birds (or worms, if you prefer) with one stone. (Those being inexperienced new players & my lethargy, in case y'all were too distracted by yourselves to properly dissect the above...)

Maybe it would help if the IRC was advertised in WormNET, or even better, you start using WormNET as your IRC? ;)

EDIT: I tried hanging out with the NNN clan - too hardcore for my taste... :-/

And get out there that you can have your WormNet open windowed (using PX), I think thats a good step in the direction of using it in a similar way as a snooper.

franpa

19 Aug 2012, 11:03

And get out there that you can have your WormNet open windowed (using PX), I think thats a good step in the direction of using it in a similar way as a snooper.

http://snooper.worms2d.info/

StepS

19 Aug 2012, 11:14

http://snooper.worms2d.info/

That's intended for public use, doesn't log you in as another person.
Snoopers: http://worms2d.info/Software

Also, a direct link:
http://worms2d.info:17030/snooper/

CyberShadow

19 Aug 2012, 11:31

Also, a permanent link:
http://worms2d.info:17030/snooper/

That's the opposite of a permanent link.

StepS

19 Aug 2012, 12:29

That's the opposite of a permanent link.

oops, not a permanent, i meant direct :o
also, it helps when the port 80 of your server is unresponsive.

xCrazyx

20 Aug 2012, 00:27

Well, you're talking bull**** Extremist ;)

Extremist2

20 Aug 2012, 02:20

All I know is that if the old-timers don't interact more with the newbie riff-raff, the quality level of play will increase VERY slowly. I got fairly good (NNNers still kick my behind) by playing against good/helpful players. But that was years ago.

NAiL

21 Aug 2012, 17:09

Well, you're talking bull**** Extremist ;)

Indeed, thats why I stopped checking these forums as its filled with people who dont play the game and don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Extremist2

22 Aug 2012, 01:39

I'm just reporting what I see, and I see mostly fresh faces who are average at best at normal schemes and/or only play rope, plus the occasional NNNer who slaughters everyone except for other NNN clan members. I'm not on WN 24/7, so maybe I'm just unlucky in seeing the good/old-time players. But I greatly doubt this.

NAiL

22 Aug 2012, 14:34

I really don't see where your coming from. You can go into AG and host a game and people will join. By the sounds of things you only play intermediate, there are always people ready to play intermediate just as there are always people ready to play other games. If you want to play more skilled opponents then you should just look harder.

Did you ever go to www.tus-wa.com? This is the current league for Worms Armageddon and its where the majority of active players hang out. If you want to play more skilled games you should register there and start playing games against other league players. There are cups and tournaments in every scheme, so if you want to familiarise yourself with skilled players you should hang out there, not here.

Im also suprised nobody felt the need to mention tus-wa.com to the OP. This game is as active and as competitive as its ever been and we are only a couple of weeks away from a brand new league design which is very exciting. There is some sort of underhanded animosity towards TUS by many of the users on this forum, and im not surprised, im aware of the ignorant, selfish, know it all nature of many users on this forum.

Thurbo

22 Aug 2012, 18:23

So you literally have to sign up to some tournament in order to meet a handful of skilled players?

I do not think this is exactly what Extremist was looking for.

NAiL

22 Aug 2012, 18:40

No.... you personify everything that is bad about people on this forum.

Extremist said he has trouble meeting skilled players online, I was pointing out a place where the majority of skilled, active players reside. Do you even understand the concept of a league and how it works? You are ignorant about such a HUGE part of the WA community and you talk like you know the game.

Tournaments and cups are just features of the league (along with many others). The main league allows players to choose from a selection of schemes and play them competitively online. You register at the league, then in Wormnet you type "TUS anyone"?, and with some luck you will find a more skilled player to play with other than just random noobs, which is what Extremeist said he was looking for.

There is also a league only for Intermediate, NNN league. If you only like to play intermediate and want to play against more skilled players it would be worth signing up here too. www.normalnonoobs.com

Extremist2

22 Aug 2012, 21:06

So it's impossible to meet good players outside of a league that new players likely don't know about?

Yeah, that's good... :rolleyes:

Plus, I don't like the idea of HAVING to use a league format (like Thurbo said). The good players should be CASUALLY interacting with everyone else whenever possible. That's the core of my concern, y'know...

NAiL

22 Aug 2012, 21:21

You dont HAVE to. You said that you can't find anyone "good" to play with when you log on. How often do you log on? A few times a year? There is usually a good number of players ready to join games in AG, if you can't find any then you should join a league and meet HUNDREDS of skilled players all ready to play.

As for "pros interacting with noobs", they do. You are not active enough to see it obviously. How often do you go to Wormnet?

Thurbo

22 Aug 2012, 22:09

Do you even understand the concept of a league and how it works? You are ignorant about such a HUGE part of the WA community and you talk like you know the game.

I do know about the concept of a league and that's why I have never joined one in any multiplayer game, mainly because A) I play a lot of different games without focusing on one and B) as a result I got no further spare time for leagues or tournaments. No way. In all honesty, I should not have to join inofficial leagues to "know the game". That's somewhat self-explanatory, now don't you think?

NAiL

22 Aug 2012, 22:53

"Further spare time"? If you have time to post on these forums then you have time to join the league. It would take you no more time to play WA competitively within the league than it would without the league. The reason you dont have a clue about the league (and previous leagues) is because you dont give a crap about it because you are not a serious WA player, like you say you are a casual fan of the Worms series in general. If you did know how the WA league works, you wouldn't have said the things you've said because you do not need to commit any extra time to play this game competitively. Sure if you want to try and finish 1st you'll need to play a good number of games, but if you just want to enjoy the occasional competitive game when you randomly log on, you can do that too.

As for your second point, yes, you should be familiar with the league (and other community sites) in order to talk about the game with any validity. The league is where the majority of skilled, active players reside. In order to understand the game you must first have knowledge of the community (which you don't). The two go had in hand as an online game is nothing without an online community. In order to talk with any credibility about Wormnet, a lack of good players, and other such matters brought up in this thread, you must first be aware of the community, which you are not.

Thurbo

22 Aug 2012, 23:31

Okay, look, this isn't Battlefield or StarCraft we are talking about. I am not going to play the game any more competetively than I am already doing. With the nearly zero significance this community has among other games and with the in fact uncompetetive since not entirely fair nature of this turn-based game that is Worms I am even surprised there are things like leagues in existance. It is not designed to be competetive in the first place. You are good to go at knowing the game if you are playing it mostly offline with friends or even singleplayer, joining tournaments or leagues is not a requirement to any video game to learn about its mechanics. To a Worms game the online mode should be equally if not less important than the offline mode since this is what the game is really designed for.

This "join the league or you are nothing and have no right to talk about the game" doesn't sound acceptable to me either. What are you, a community or an asshat in-crowd?

Edit - Also, if you are just going to join that league, go to Wormnet and type "TUS anyone?", what are even the chances you are going to find people to play with within the next 10 minutes after going online? There are only about 5 to 10 people in the server lobby at once, how many of these are expectedly members of that specific league?

Obn3g0n

23 Aug 2012, 00:00

With the in fact uncompetetive since not entirely fair nature of this turn-based game that is Worms I am even surprised there are things like leagues in existance. It is not designed to be competetive in the first place. You are good to go at knowing the game if you are playing it mostly offline with friends or even singleplayer, joining tournaments or leagues is not a requirement to any video game to learn about its mechanics. To a Worms game the online mode should be equally if not less important than the offline mode since this is what the game is really designed for.

This "join the league or you are nothing and have no right to talk about the game" doesn't sound acceptable to me either. What are you, a community or an asshat in-crowd?
I retract my previous retraction of calling you ignorant. This has got to be the most ignorant post I have read by anyone, ever! There are many schemes that have next to no luck factor, such as Elite, which is actually very competitively played, even though it's just the default scheme with less weapons and time. I can very confidently say that you could not win one of 100 games of Elite against any NNN member. Specifically, you saying that offline/single player is enough to understand the game, is blatantly false... I don't need to back this statement up. And badmouthing Nail? He is without doubt one of the most talented and respected players there is...

There may be 5-10 people online in the actual W:A interface in off-peak hours but many more lurkers listening on snooper, some just multitasking, some with notifications set for people saying "tus" .. but it's very easy to find a competitive game.

Hidden because possibly inflammatory.. ...not designed to be competetive in the first place
It was, in a way. Worms2 and W:A were designed with tons of scheme options which allowed you make pretty much any scheme. The developers had no idea what direction the online play would take and flourish in.. that roping would be so wildly popular.. that bungee races would exist, and so on, but they made all those things possible by designing the game with so many possibilities. A side note: saying the game was not "designed" for competitiveness or "designed" for online play underlines why you shouldn't be talking about this game. Because everything a respected poster like you says can have little influences.. For example the reason given for the 4-worm-per-team restriction in upcoming Worms Revolution was "W:Revo has 4 worms per team because the whole game has been balanced for having 4 worms". There is, granted, a technical max of 16 worms on a map at once but you should be able to have 2 teams of 8, 3 teams of 6, or 15 and 1, etc. How can they state this with such confidence? It's like you pretending you know everything about the game because you've played a few default offline games.. and say everything else is unsubstantial and peripheral to the game. But then you pipe in in their defense, all hugs and kisses, saying you've never played with more than 4 worms, that we're all unreasonable W:A ninja racers, etc. Just playing offline, and I back this up with lots of experience taking first-onliners' online virginity, your understanding of the game is basically "LOL EXPLODING OLD LADIES, LOL FUNNY VOICES, WORMS IS FUNNY LOL" and completely clueless to any strategy beyond where to click where your donkey should fall.
I don't even know where to start with this post. Blah you successful troll, you have got the better of me!

Extremist2

23 Aug 2012, 00:53

I am above average at Intermediate, T17, and Mole Shopper. Average at Fly Shopper. Below average at BnG but know EVERY rule.

I have never truly participated in a tournament, clan, or league. I got to where I am by playing against random people in AG since at least 2004 (can't remember exactly when I started). Up until a few years ago, I used to see community regulars in there about a third of time. Now, any given time that I log on, I'd say there's about a 5% chance that I'll see one. I've seen things change, and I GUARANTEE that my activity level has zilch to do with it.

New players do not play in leagues/clans/tournaments, and if they did, they'd be discouraged because the level of play is too high. Since this in-crowd of old-timers formed (there IS one - don't deny it anymore) there is no longer a middle-ground. It is now just:

newb vs. newb (what I see a lot)
reallly good vs. newb (rarely)
really good vs. really good (mostly hidden from view)
NNN vs. really good
NNN vs. NNN

With the "good" group nearing extinction.

There may be 5-10 people online in the actual W:A interface but many more lurkers listening on snooper, with notifications set for people saying "tus" ..

So they refuse to play anything except that rigid format filled mostly with their own kind? More proof for my point then.

zookman

23 Aug 2012, 01:26

I'd like to point out for those who might not be aware that wormnet activity varies greatly depending on the time of day.
http://stats.worms2d.info/

I'm from the UK but I'm up quite late most nights, and I can see a huge difference in people/games in #AG between say 19:00GMT and 03:00GMT.

Simply put, USA evenings aren't as busy as Europe evenings.
If you want a game between those hours, I'm SiD (in #ag) msg me. (especially you NAiL, we need to discuss something)

KRD

23 Aug 2012, 03:21

(especially you NAiL, we need to discuss something)

Ooooh, again this in-crowd secrecy nonsense! When will they learn!

StepS

23 Aug 2012, 08:55

Edit - Also, if you are just going to join that league, go to Wormnet and type "TUS anyone?", what are even the chances you are going to find people to play with within the next 10 minutes after going online?

Chances of 90%, within a few seconds

There are only about 5 to 10 people in the server lobby at once, how many of these are expectedly members of that specific league?
yet another bull****.

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 10:51

I retract my previous retraction of calling you ignorant. This has got to be the most ignorant post I have read by anyone, ever! There are many schemes that have next to no luck factor, such as Elite, which is actually very competitively played, even though it's just the default scheme with less weapons and time.

I have played the Elite scheme quite a few times and there is as much luck involved as with any scheme featuring the standard gameplay.

I can very confidently say that you could not win one of 100 games of Elite against any NNN member. Specifically, you saying that offline/single player is enough to understand the game, is blatantly false... I don't need to back this statement up.

With all due respect, when you just go tell people they don't know anything about this series for not joining some inofficial league I don't know what you are expecting others to think.

As stated before, this isn't a community to such very competetively designed game just like Battlefield or StarCraf, which I respect a lot, may I note that. The nature of the Worms series has never been really competetive. It is in fact a game that I have seen as a perfect game to play with friends, offline at best. Now you can take the game all that serious and competetive as you want but it doesn't have any significance among any gaming community and I haven't seen any journalist pointing out W:A when referring to the Worms series ever. No actual gaming league seems to be even aware there is something like a real community to W:A in existance. The game is not very active if you think about it, with 5 to 10 players in the server lobby at max. What's the amount of the competetive players anyways? Maybe 100? The game isn't going to make it for another decade, I think interacting more with new players may be a good idea after all.

Anyway, I am not going to take the you-don't-know-Worms statements for not joining your silly oh-hey-this-game-is-so-competetive leagues. I am just not. Having played every single game in this series I most likely know it a lot better than any of the NNN members focusing on W:A. There is the entire series that I have played with friends online and offline for years, on a high level, but definitely not competetive, and there is this small community around W:A thinking it were as much competetive as StarCraft while they are not being recognized at all. Are you sure you aren't the ones being ignorant after all?

Did you know there is a competetive scene around Worms 3D and Worms 4 Mayhem?

GreeN

23 Aug 2012, 11:30

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 11:45

I would like to encourage this arguing to stop. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm quite glad that Thurbo and Extremists jibberish is confined to these forums instead of WormNET. At least here, it's quite clear that they're talking from the wrong end of their torso.

(They have had this all explained to them many times before)

No, this is quite a different thing. You apparently didn't read nothing of what was going on here.

Basically, I appear to have no right to talk about W:A for not joining an inofficial league of such an insigificant and incompetetive game. It's unbelievable. It just underlines the in-crowd argument, too.

W:A IS insignificant. This community and its leagues do practically not exist among other gaming communities, and it is a tiny community as well. Stop acting like this were a serious competetive game like Battlefield or StarCraft, I beg of you. This is ridiculous. With such responses from "respected" players from your silly community I am not going to show respect nor admit that I have to join inofficial leagues to "know the game" and "be allowed to talk about it". No way.

StepS

23 Aug 2012, 11:53

Basically, I appear to have no right to talk about W:A for not joining an inofficial league of such an insigificant and incompetetive game.
http://wormolympics.com
http://www.tus-wa.com

and it is a tiny community as well

http://worms2d.info/Community
http://worms2d.info/People
http://stats.worms2d.info/

Channel join statistics (since Mon Sep 14 04:40:00 GMT+0100 2009):

Average Maximum
Total Unique Total Unique
Hour 543 213 1741 (2010.03.31 18:00 - 19:00) 582 (2010.11.08 22:00 - 23:00)
Day 13056 2023 21243 (2010.03.15) 3006 (2010.02.21)
Week 91472 5546
Month 392643 13376
Total 13859781 231071

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 12:12

How often does a single person rejoin those channels per month? That number doesn't mean a thing. W:A is not recognized by other communities. This is a fact. Nor is it recognized by anyone who isn't playing W:A already. StarCraft, Battlefield, Counter-Strike, DotA communities and leagues? Everyone knows these and knows about the competetive scene.

"What are you saying? Worms Armageddon has still a community that's holding competetive tournaments? But it's not even competetive! You know about the unfair nature of Worms! No wonder it's so insignificant. Why would professional players waste their time on a turn-based game based on luck?"

StepS

23 Aug 2012, 12:18

But it's not even competetive! You know about the unfair nature of Worms! No wonder it's so insignificant. Why would professional players waste their time on a turn-based game based on luck
Of course, if you're a noob, a luck is always the culprit for you:D

W:A is not recognized by other communities. This is a fact. Nor is it recognized by anyone who isn't playing W:A already. StarCraft, Battlefield, Counter-Strike, DotA communities and leagues? Everyone knows these and knows about the competetive scene.
W:A doesn't need that.

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 12:36

Of course, if you're a noob, a luck is always the culprit for you:D

Spitting out random insults doesn't help you here. The more a game is based on luck the less competetive it is. Pure logic.

W:A doesn't need that.

I respect THAT. However, please do refrain from telling me I didn't know the game if I am not interested in the competetive scene.

GreeN

23 Aug 2012, 13:02

"The game" is completely different from what it was when originally released. Almost every positive feature of "the game" now has come from community effort. The betas, the 3rd party tools, the leagues and even this subforum were all created/maintained by a community who love "the game". Absolutely noone would argue that this evolution was for the worse; it has been carefully refined (more or less) to something that is enjoyed by more people than ever before. You sit here at the sidelines making accusations that are complete nonsense and you continue to revel in trivial arguments that bear no meaning towards a solution whatsoever.

If you want to benefit from W:A as it is today, jump on the bandwagon, do what every other player does and explore what the community has given us. Until you do so, your understanding of "the game" will always be non-applicable.

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 13:20

KRD

23 Aug 2012, 18:21

That number doesn't mean a thing. W:A is not recognized by other communities. This is a fact. Nor is it recognized by anyone who isn't playing W:A already.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/3zkthk/screwattack-s-top-ten-top-10-multiplayer-pc-games

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481950

Thurbo

23 Aug 2012, 20:01

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/3zkthk/screwattack-s-top-ten-top-10-multiplayer-pc-games

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481950

Are you sure you got the objective? By recognition, don't you think I was probably in fact referring to the competetive scene of this game, because this is what has been going on here? People telling me I shall join leagues or I do not understand the game?

I really shouldn't have replied to this thread. All I really did was, after NAiL told Extremist he's probably a noob and doesn't play the game very much because he'd know he could join some leagues, to say that wasn't really what Extremist was suggesting. Immediately I get told I'm a noob myself and that I don't understand the game until I join leagues, that W:A is absolutely flawless in every instance and that it is a totally competetive, primarly multiplayer online game etc.

You know, it doesn't take you much to say until you manage to make me feel like talking to a bunch of jerks over and over. Which is kind of said, because despite my generally negative experiences with W:A's online mode, there was yet a time I enjoyed playing the game nontheless. Heck, I was never a member of NNN but that didn't keep me off from designing a trophy emblem for the winners of a tournament and whatching the matches streamed on their website. I believe this changed around the time when I joined this forum. Missing the old times, I really do. I've never been a member of any clan or league in any video game before, but if I wanted to be I am now fairly sure W:A's the game I want to be part of the community the least.