Rare Bug: Worms Armageddon Disabled my internet!

[miketh2005]

Weirdest bug I've ever experienced with a game. I think it has to do the game being so old and not getting official updates (sorry CS and DC xD), makes more weird bugs. I'm on latest patch.

Anyway, here's what happened, I was playing Mole Shopper on HostingBuddy with another 2 other guys. The host left in the first minute, and then when we were almost finished with the game there was a network drop. :/

So I got disconnected and I was returning to lobby when it got stuck on Loading.. Please wait. You can see the game lobby at this time. It was stuck for the longest while and Esc wouldn't work and clicking wouldn't work. Then I think it went to lobby and it got stuck there and it gave the error:

WEB never stopped sending.

Or something like that. I thought it was weird because usually an error is like something stopped sending, not continues to send. After that it went back to main internet screen (after you click the right-bottom box in main-menu) so I thought everything was okay, so I clicked login again and it got stuck at the login screen (where you used to click Auto-Login) and it was stuck on Connecting Please Wait.... I think I got another error then but I don't remember what it said, I didn't think it was important cause I was going to do something else, I figured there was maintenance on WormNET or something.

So I quit the game and when I tried to connect to the internet I couldn't!
I'm on Windows 7 and I looked at the taskbar and saw that red X next to the computer and the wire, saying there is no internet. That usually never happens. Usually it's only a yellow caution sign when it's trying to reconnect when my router goes out or something. So I figured it was my modem so I power cycled the modem and turned off the computer and it wouldn't shut off for like 10 - 20 minutes, then there was a blue screen of death (don't remember the error, sorry :(), I'm like WTF? So I restarted and still no internet. So I went and clicked troubleshoot internet problems and it said my adapter was disabled. :/ But it couldn't fix it for some reason. It said Local Area Connection adapter disabled.

I was thinking it might be my router so I went and tried 192.168.1.1 and it gave me some sorta error. My router has been giving me problems lately (well it's been like 6 months - maybe even a year since it's been cutting off, but it only effected wireless devices) so I thought it finally gave out so I (stupidly) factory resetted the thing thinking that might work. Well it didn't so I was wondering what to do when windows told me to try system restore, so I did that and it finally worked. :P And here I am now. But this was obviously WA's fault, because it happened right after and nothing else was going on my computer except uTorrent. I could've been uTorrent and that made me network drop from WA and then it gave me that error, I dunno. Seems weird.

Now all my ports that are forwarded are gone and I'm left with a computer from last week because of WA. :(

[KRD]

Not sure if serious...

:confused:

[CyberShadow]

and not getting official updatesThanks for the chuckle. No offense @ Team17's coders, but I hope Worms Reloaded players are enjoying their official updates ;)But this was obviously WA's fault, because it happened right after and nothing else was going on my computer except uTorrent.If your power goes out while you're playing W:A, is it obviously W:A's fault too?

[miketh2005]

Thanks for the chuckle. No offense @ Team17's coders, but I hope Worms Reloaded players are enjoying their official updates ;)If your power goes out while you're playing W:A, is it obviously W:A's fault too?

Within the rational. Power going out is outside the software. WA disabled the network adapter (which is software), maybe because it was flooding it or something.

Thanks for the chuckle. No offense @ Team17's coders, but I hope Worms Reloaded players are enjoying their official updates ;)

You can't say you wouldn't be better off without a few more coders. :P

[CyberShadow]

Within the rational. Power going out is outside the software. WA disabled the network adapter (which is software), maybe because it was flooding it or something.Don't be led astray by causal oversimplification. While I think it's highly dubious that W:A has even somehow triggered this, know that operating system and hardware components are not expected to fail in such unpredictable manners - doing so would indicate a fault of said component. In fact, considering that a torrent client is a much more network-intensive application, if I had to point at the first domino I'd place my bets on the torrent client.

Had this happened while just the torrent client or some mainstream game was running, would you blame them as well? After all, said pieces of software are used by millions of people every day, so such bugs would get much higher visibility... so, you can see the fallacy here.You can't say you wouldn't be better off without a few more coders. :PSee Brooks's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law). Besides, what good is having however many W:A maintainers when none can afford the time to work on it?

[Drury]

See Brooks's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law). Besides, what good is having however many W:A maintainers when none can afford the time to work on it?


Basically, that's why Minecraft was getting (really cool) daily updates back when Notch was working on it in his free time.

[miketh2005]

Don't be led astray by causal oversimplification. While I think it's highly dubious that W:A has even somehow triggered this, know that operating system and hardware components are not expected to fail in such unpredictable manners - doing so would indicate a fault of said component. In fact, considering that a torrent client is a much more network-intensive application, if I had to point at the first domino I'd place my bets on the torrent client.

Had this happened while just the torrent client or some mainstream game was running, would you blame them as well? After all, said pieces of software are used by millions of people every day, so such bugs would get much higher visibility... so, you can see the fallacy here.See Brooks's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law). Besides, what good is having however many W:A maintainers when none can afford the time to work on it?

That's completely different. O.o You would think you would know.

That's when a project is late. The article itself states that there is a ramp-up time needed when more people are added to a project. This case doesn't apply.

But this is besides the point, since ofc you guys won't be adding anymore players to the team, I am very grateful for you guys to continue updating the best game ever made, and can't wait for 4.0 with the official PX and RubberWorm. This way everyone who has updated will be able to play RubberWorm so there will be more players to play it with.

[CyberShadow]

That's when a project is late.So then, in the case of 4.0, it applies perfectly. ;)

[Phantom]

I though you guys quit on 4.0 since we didn't get any news in quite a while.

[jsgnext]

Basically, that's why Minecraft was getting (really cool) daily updates back when Notch was working on it in his free time.


Well...Notch was like "the mythical man/month" himself, lol.....I still cant understand how he made minecraft alone (in the begining)
However, I agree with brooks...more ppl does not always mean more productivity....in general

[miketh2005]

This just happened again. I finished a game of Mole Shopper after losing and when I exited the game lobby, the screen went dark for about 10 seconds, then it went to the lobby where you pick the game room (anything goes, roper's heaven, etc.) and everything was blank, you could only see the boxes, so I quit worms and my internet was out. This time all I had to do was reset my modem, though. But uTorrent wasn't running this time (don't usually use uTorrent, just wanted to get a rare japanese manga you cant buy in stores), all I had was Chrome and MSN Messenger running. So it HAD to be WA.

[CyberShadow]

You know, I'm not quite sure what are you trying to achieve here. Are you trying to get help, or just want to blame someone for your problems?

[miketh2005]

You know, I'm not quite sure what are you trying to achieve here. Are you trying to get help, or just want to blame someone for your problems?

I'm trying to tell you that you need to fix a bug?

[CyberShadow]

No bug in W:A, or any game, should be able to cause the effects you've described on a correctly-functioning system. There's something wrong with the software (drivers) or hardware in your computer or another device on your network.

While there's the chance that W:A might be doing something "unusual" which causes your problems, fixing it from W:A's side would involve working around the actual problem, not fixing a bug.

[miketh2005]

No bug in W:A, or any game, should be able to cause the effects you've described on a correctly-functioning system. There's something wrong with the software (drivers) or hardware in your computer or another device on your network.

While there's the chance that W:A might be doing something "unusual" which causes your problems, fixing it from W:A's side would involve working around the actual problem, not fixing a bug.

My drivers are up to date. It's possible that it's my system configuration, but it's obviously WA causing the problem.

[CyberShadow]

Obvious only due to correlation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)?

Whether your drivers are up-to-date isn't actually very important in W:A's case.

[franpa]

On my old ASUS P5KC motherboard I had intermittent network adapter problems where it would fail to make a connection every so often for no reason, resolved it by using the outdated NIC drivers from my Motherboard manufacturers website instead of the drivers included with Windows and Windows Update. (Wired connection)

[Extremist2]

I don't know if this applies to you or not, but I once had an issue with my connection dying during WA. It turned out that I had a defective modem that would drop the connection everytime my CRT monitor changed resolution! The res switch created some kind of signal or field that f***ed with the modem. I put the modem on the floor away from the monitor 'til I got a replacment. ;)

[Deadcode]

I don't know if this applies to you or not, but I once had an issue with my connection dying during WA. It turned out that I had a defective modem that would drop the connection everytime my CRT monitor changed resolution! The res switch created some kind of signal or field that f***ed with the modem. I put the modem on the floor away from the monitor 'til I got a replacment. ;)

Wow. I'd be curious to know what model CRT (and maybe what model modem) you had. That's bizarre.

miketh2005, do you use a CRT monitor?

[miketh2005]

Wow. I'd be curious to know what model CRT (and maybe what model modem) you had. That's bizarre.

miketh2005, do you use a CRT monitor?

Nope, Dell LCD I think 19"

[Extremist2]

Wow. I'd be curious to know what model CRT (and maybe what model modem) you had. That's bizarre.

Speedstream 5200 modem & Dell P780 monitor.

Switched to a Speedstream 4200 modem, problem fixed. ;)

I'm not pulling your chain, BTW - here's my thread (http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic143645.html) about it on a computer help forum (2008).

P.S. Just FYI, I've never used a router. Always been wall -> modem -> PC for me!

[Horror Sco]

Worms Armageddon is obviously a computer worm

[KRD]

Worms Armageddon is obviously a computer worm

Mr Pittles tried to warn us about this and we ignored it, the fools that we are.

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29420