Worms Reloaded: The Official OD Tournament (TOOT) signup.

[MtlAngelus]

I CHALLENGE YOU ALL TO MORTAL KOMBAT.

I actually have a lot of free time nowadays, so I figure I'll organize this thing.

Sign up, I'll find a way to randomize the match-ups, we'll discuss the proper timing for this things, then I'll start a new thread with all the relevant information and update that with results.

This game does not save replays nor does it allow spectators, but I trust you guys to post the correct results for each match. Unless someone who can record games via something like fraps wants to volunteer as the official cameraman, join each game, intentionally drown three worms and neatly hide the last one, surrender after one of the other two gets eliminated and then upload the video on youtube, but honestly that's just too damn complicated. I would do it but I can barely get the game to run well at the lowest resolution... :p

We also need to decide whether it'll be a single match per round or two out of three, what scheme it'll be, and any other general rules you may like for this thing.

So anyway, SING UP and discuss.

edit: Yes, sing, and then SIGN UP.

edit2: Signees so far:

-MtlAngelus
-BetongÅsna
-Xinos
-GrimOswald
-Akuryou13
-SupSuper
-Splapp
-Paul.Power
-Alien King
-Squirminator2k
-Zero72
-bonz

[BetongÅsna]

La la la la la la LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

sign me up.

[Xinos]

Good job! Count me in.

[GrimOswald]

I wish to participate in these shenanigans!

[Akuryou13]

absolutely joining this!

[thomasp]

I wish I had worms reloaded :(

[SupSuper]

Sure why not.

I could probably FRAPS but I doubt I can be around every single match. :p

[Splapp]

Sign me up, sir.

[Babylon]

This sounds pretty cool. Worms Reloaded sounds pretty cool too. I'm going to see how much it costs on Steam and then get back to you on this tournament thing... 'cause I'm tempted, time permitting :eek:

[MrBunsy]

Not got Reloaded :(

Might get it when/if it gets cheap, but I just don't play enough of that sort of game any more for it to be worth £18.

[Muzer]

*insert generic "Worms Armageddon is better by far" comment here*

[SargeMcCluck]

*insert generic "Worms Armageddon is better by far" comment here*

Sadly, QFT.

[Paul.Power]

Well, why not. Sign me up.

[Alien King]

What's this? A chance to be humiliated in a tournament?
Sounds fun. Sign me up.

[MtlAngelus]

This sounds pretty cool. Worms Reloaded sounds pretty cool too. I'm going to see how much it costs on Steam and then get back to you on this tournament thing... 'cause I'm tempted, time permitting :eek:
Try the demo. Not sure I would recommend this game, it's plagued with network issues right now and other bugs, and it's not as satisfying/deep as Worms Armageddon, but it's still fun.

*insert generic "Worms Armageddon is better by far" comment here*
*insert agreement here*

[Pigbuster]

I bought it early to get the TF2 hat, even though the Mac version isn't out yet and god only knows when it will.

...Hopefully Team17 will make the purchase transfer over when they release the Mac version. :-\

And I haven't played TF2 in ages, not even to claim said hat, so clearly money WELL SPENT.

[Squirminator2k]

Sure, count me in.

Winner gets to tell everyone else that OD exists.

[Zero72]

Uhhh hell with it, count me in.

Edit: I mean LAAALALALLASAaQqaslaL count me in

[bonz]

Count me in too!

As for the scheme, I'd suggest using one of the default ones, since there is no way to transfer scheme settings.

Also, I believe we haven't finished our last W:A OD tournament yet.
IIRC, I was in the process of setting up a game with Babylon. :D

[MtlAngelus]

Scheme: I suggest Standard. It's versatile, and fun.

Map: Random maps should be fine, but maybe we should settle for a single type of map. I'm not a huge fan of tall island maps for example, and tall cavern maps can be very imbalanced. What would you all suggest?

Tournament: Well, we have 12 people now. To make it work we would have to split it in four groups of three players each, then whoever comes on top of the group moves to semifinals, or the two people on top of each group could move to quarter finals. :p If we can get four more people then we can just keep pairing winners until we reach the final match. Also, what do you all prefer: one game per match, or two out of three?

[Squirminator2k]

Standard is good.

[BetongÅsna]

To all those on Mac: it runs fine on Boot Camp on my old iBook.

[Zero72]

I'll agree with Standard, yeah. As for map types, hrmm. Maybe it'd be better to standardize something. Either that or just go with luck-of-the-draw and make it 2 or 3 rounds or something.

[Squirminator2k]

One round is best. Or maybe it isn't.

[MtlAngelus]

I vote to use a random map, but force it to be an island or an undivided cavern.

I would also go for two out of three rounds, to lower the influence of luck. :p

[Squirminator2k]

I agree with Angelus, too. No vertical maps.

[FutureWorm]

To all those on Mac: it runs fine on Boot Camp on my old iBook.
how do you boot camp an ibook? those don't have intel processors

[BetongÅsna]

Sorry, did I say iBook? I meant MacBook.

[bonz]

I want island maps to be able to utilize air strikes.
Either one single island, or two small ones connected with bridges is fine.

[Zero72]

I want island maps to be able to utilize air strikes.
Either one single island, or two small ones connected with bridges is fine.Yeah, I like islands. I'll agree especially that I'm not a fan of vertical maps though, islands or caves.

Also I like the best-of-three-rounds format idea.

[Akuryou13]

I prefer islands, but am ok with caves. and best of 3 sounds good.

and NO vertical maps. they're amusing, but not for serious games.

[MtlAngelus]

I agree with bonz, Island maps only would be the best option as it allows the use of airstrikes.

So that would be: Standard scheme, random island maps, and three rounds per match-up. Anyone disagrees?

[Pigbuster]

Go with wormery maps, mandatory hat-wearing, 17 rounds per match-up because Team17, and every time you lose a worm, you have to take a shot of whiskey.

Also, the only weapon allowed should be the bowling ball.

[Akuryou13]

Go with wormery maps, mandatory hat-wearing, 17 rounds per match-up because Team17, and every time you lose a worm, you have to take a shot of whiskey.

Also, the only weapon allowed should be the bowling ball.this is clearly the only real option.

[Zero72]

mandatory hat-wearingI presume this applies to the actual players, rather than the worms.

[Alien King]

I presume this applies to the actual players, rather than the worms.

But... but...
I have no hats. :(

[MtlAngelus]

But... but...
I have no hats. :(

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Alien King]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I would slit my wrists in shame, but I think I need blood to be able to participate.
I have a fencing mask, I'll simply wear that.

[SargeMcCluck]

But... but...
I have no hats. :(

You can borrow one of mine!:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2750/4355703721_caaccafcd0_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2445/4071668695_a17ac4451c_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4072430640_8e227cfe16_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2458/3545647924_f880b78be5_m.jpg

[SargeMcCluck]

Part two of hat displayery:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3345753029_e95acc551a_m.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3331140342_fe21577738_m.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4923598742_842abd325a_m.jpghttp://my.picresize.com/vault/U4EE84JJ14.jpg

Yep, that's a genuine police helmet (from Grimsby) that somehow ended up in Sweden.

[Alien King]

I... I don't know what to say.

[Akuryou13]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:I'm still WAITING on MY hat! :mad:

[MtlAngelus]

I'm still WAITING on MY hat! :mad:

LOOK, A DISTRACTION!

*runs*

[thomasp]

But... but...
I have no hats. :(

Tin foil fashioned into a suitable headpiece?

[MrBunsy]

But..but, where are the bobbles?!

[bonz]

According to Team Fortress 2, a lot of things qualify as a hat.
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Hats#List_of_Hats

[MtlAngelus]

We need four more players. :p

[GrimOswald]

I sign up twice. :cool:

[MtlAngelus]

I can't think of a proper way to set this up with twelve people. :-/

The only way that comes to mind is an elimination phase, but would need different rules. Either a) Starting with three player games, and either the one or two comming on top passing to the next round, which can be really unfair and would probably require more than three rounds to determine a winner or b) splitting into groups, but then there's only two options: groups of three, again with either one or two people passing to the next round(but then there's only three matches per group and thus the possibility of all players getting a victory each and the group being tied, which would then require a points system of sorts to determine who goes through), or two groups of six, and have either four or two people per group passing to the next phase.


Any ideas? :p

We could as a last resort invite outsiders into the tournament. :p

[Akuryou13]

A: the final 3 all play in one big game, first person to 3 victories.

B: Each of those 3 plays the other 2 in 3 games each, the person with the most victories among those games is declared winner. if tied, play another game.

C: Wildcard. a person at random who's already lost is added as a fourth contestant in the semi-final rounds.

[MtlAngelus]

I also had a similar idea to that. Basically, do a double elimination tourmanent, and the three top people resulting from the looser matches would play a three player game, and whoever wins that game gets to face one of the three finalists from the "winners" section. :p

Here's a nice graph if what I just said doesn't make much sense. :p

This is for me the best solution, but it also considerably increases the number of matches played, which in turn could increment the difficulty to set up matches between people not in the same continent or with busy schedules. :p

[Zero72]

A: the final 3 all play in one big game, first person to 3 victories.

...

C: Wildcard. a person at random who's already lost is added as a fourth contestant in the semi-final rounds.

These are fun ideas.

[Pigbuster]

A: the final 3 all play in one big game, first person to 3 victories.

B: Each of those 3 plays the other 2 in 3 games each, the person with the most victories among those games is declared winner. if tied, play another game.

C: Wildcard. a person at random who's already lost is added as a fourth contestant in the semi-final rounds.

D: Add a computer contestant.

*Thinks for 20 seconds*

*Shoots wall with shotgun*

[MtlAngelus]

D: Add a computer contestant.

*Thinks for 20 seconds*

*Shoots wall with shotgun*

I'm pretty certain you cannot add ai teams when playing online. :(

[bonz]

I'm pretty certain you cannot add ai teams when playing online. :(
Nope, you can't.
Neither can you add 2 teams from one player, although BillT17 suggest that as a way to get around the 4-player limit. :(

[Xinos]

Uuhh, I think it should remain 1 vs 1 the whole tournament. Three player FFA will only result in two players picking a loser and taking that person out first. :p
And I prefer 3 rounds per match.

Won't groups of three work if we add some kind Tie Breaker points? Say you get a point for every worm you have left when the round ends. And if that fails play more rounds. Though this really requires both players to pay attention to worm count, and a spectator would be best.

Oh yeah, I just remembered you can share what's on your monitor using Skype's video conversation. We could use that for spectating if it doesn't cause to much lag.

[MtlAngelus]

Uuhh, I think it should remain 1 vs 1 the whole tournament. Three player FFA will only result in two players picking a loser and taking that person out first. :p
And I prefer 3 rounds per match.

Won't groups of three work if we add some kind Tie Breaker points? Say you get a point for every worm you have left when the round ends. And if that fails play more rounds. Though this really requires both players to pay attention to worm count, and a spectator would be best.

Oh yeah, I just remembered you can share what's on your monitor using Skype's video conversation. We could use that for spectating if it doesn't cause to much lag.

I agree with three player matches not being the best option, but I think having just a single three player match on a double elimination tournament to define the fourth finalist should be fine. I wouldn't want to rely on a points system as it can be a bit too random for my tastes. Playing more rounds could be troublesome as well, to keep it fair you would have to remake all three matches, until one player manages to win two of them, that could take a while and it could also be hard to set up properly if the people involved do not have too much time or live in very different regions.

[MtlAngelus]

Can we get a vote going on here? I need to know if the majority of you is ok with the double elimination set-up, or if you would rather go for initial three player matches to reduce the complexity of the whole thing. :p

Or, as I said, invite outsiders or people that have not signed up yet. I've seen Kjatte around and I'm pretty certain he has the game, and I'm sure there are outsiders worth playing against.

Not in a particular rush to get this started tho, the game has become a crashfest for me since the latest update. :-/

[Akuryou13]

I'm fine with the double-elimination thing. not as much the 3-player matches as that's a little.....manipulatable. not that I imagine anyone here would stack a match against anyone else, honestly, but I'd rather just avoid the whole situation.

[Paul.Power]

Double elimination's cool by me, Sup and I played in a WA tourney on Something Awful with that.

Although saying that, it all kind of broke down a bit when the people who were eliminated once didn't realise they were still supposed to be playing :p

Bear in mind that I'll be in Manchester next week, though.

[Alien King]

...
Just tell me who to fight. I dislike using my brain* in anything I'm not organising.

*Unless of course said brain is necessary to win fights

[MtlAngelus]

Excellent, double elimination it is. Also, unless somebody complains, I'm going to do random match-ups for the whole tournament, instead of doing a position based one. That way, you won't know who you might have to play agaisnt if you pass to the next set of games. If anyone disagrees with this, let me know.

The next step now is randomizing the first set of matches. I trust you all so I don't mind who gets to do it and what technique is used, so I'll let you guys decide who gets to do it and what technique should be used. ;)

Here's the list of players:

-MtlAngelus
-BetongÅsna
-Xinos
-GrimOswald
-Akuryou13
-SupSuper
-Splapp
-Paul.Power
-Alien King
-Squirminator2k
-Zero72
-bonz

I didn't miss anyone did I? :p

[thomasp]

Do you want me to put everyone into a random order, as I'm an un-involved third party?

[Xinos]

Please do. here (http://www.random.org/integers/?num=12&min=1&max=1000&col=5&base=10&format=html&rnd=new) are 12 random numbers you can assign in order to MtlAngulus list, then pair people together using the two lowest numbers at the time. Or use a totally different method :p

[MtlAngelus]

Do you want me to put everyone into a random order, as I'm an un-involved third party?

Yes. :) http://www.charlimitsucks.com/thisnonexistantpictureletsmebypassithahasuckittreb ek.png

[thomasp]

So, after the results of a very complex method of generating random numbers, randomising them some more, creating a few more random numbers and then averaging the lot and multiplying by some more random numbers, here are the results:

MtlAngelus -vs- BetongÅsna
Xinos -vs- Akuryou13
bonz -vs- Squirminator 2k
Zero72 -vs- GrimOswald
Paul.Power -vs- SupSuper
AlienKing -vs Splapp

And for those interested, Splapp won the random number sorting game with a score of 5673.48382 :p

[SargeMcCluck]

I'd have probably just gone with rolling some dice... but I'm odd that way.

[thomasp]

I'd have probably just gone with rolling some dice... but I'm odd that way.
I don't have any dice to hand :p

[bonz]

I don't have any dice to hand :p
A hat and papers then?

[thomasp]

A hat and papers then?
I also lack an appropriate hat. Such a task could not be carried out using a baseball cap. A hat similar to some in Sarge's collection would have been much more appropriate.

[Xinos]

Does anybody have an octopus?

[Akuryou13]

Does anybody have an octopus?of course! (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=1204)

[bonz]

Well, that would be boring, wouldn't it?
Not only would he predict the winner, but he's also participating himself, so he maybe would use mollusc magic to make himself the winner!

[Zero72]

Zero72 -vs- GrimOswaldThe one guy whose Steam ID I don't think I have. :p

e: Got it now.

[MtlAngelus]

Ok people, time to start scheduling this things.

Paul is going to be away this week, so that means we'll start this thing on monday, sep 27. Or we could just delay his match unil he's back while the rest of us get this started, however you guys want.

I can theoretically make it at any given day after 22:00 GMT, up until 4:00 of the following day. Tuesdays is my day off so any time outside of this schedule could only fit on this day. Is that good for you, betong? :p

[Xinos]

It might be tricky to try get everybody to play at the same time. I see no harm in some finishing their matches earlier than others. So whenever you are ready Akuryou!

[Zero72]

Yeah I have no idea what GrimOswald's time zone habits are.

[Akuryou13]

It might be tricky to try get everybody to play at the same time. I see no harm in some finishing their matches earlier than others. So whenever you are ready Akuryou!what time zone are you in? do I have to accommodate odd hours? I can do so fairly easily, as I have random times free during the days ahead. I just need to know what hours I'm accommodating :p

[Zero72]

I guess I should start by saying that I'm usually pretty busy with classes on Mondays and Wednesdays, but all the other days of the week are just morning classes and homework.

[BetongÅsna]

Ok people, time to start scheduling this things.

Paul is going to be away this week, so that means we'll start this thing on monday, sep 27. Or we could just delay his match unil he's back while the rest of us get this started, however you guys want.

I can theoretically make it at any given day after 22:00 GMT, up until 4:00 of the following day. Tuesdays is my day off so any time outside of this schedule could only fit on this day. Is that good for you, betong? :pI'm pretty much nocturnal, so that's fine by me!

[GrimOswald]

Yeah I have no idea what GrimOswald's time zone habits are.

That makes two of us!

Not sure how our time zones match up, but over here is GMT+12. My availability is patchy, but generally I'm on around 10pm through till 1am or so. Sometimes afternoons are okay (Usually weekdays), and sometimes earlier evening, but that varies from day to day.

Terribly Inconsistent Man, up up and away!

[Akuryou13]

but over here is GMT+12.where on earth do you live?!

[SargeMcCluck]

I would guess NZ.

[Zero72]

That makes two of us!

Not sure how our time zones match up, but over here is GMT+12. My availability is patchy, but generally I'm on around 10pm through till 1am or so. Sometimes afternoons are okay (Usually weekdays), and sometimes earlier evening, but that varies from day to day.Man this sounds monumentally inconvenient. :p I'm GMT -5. Does all this mean that you're only available during the ridiculously early morning of my time?

[Xinos]

I'm GMT+1, so I should be seven hours ahead of you Akuryou.. That's kind of complicated but it should work as long as you can play during the middle of the day. I'll keep an eye out for you on Steam, but you need to be online more often. It's been seven days since your last log in *shakes head* :p

[Akuryou13]

I'm GMT+1, so I should be seven hours ahead of you Akuryou.. That's kind of complicated but it should work as long as you can play during the middle of the day. I'll keep an eye out for you on Steam, but you need to be online more often. It's been seven days since your last log in *shakes head* :pI usually don't log into Steam unless I'm playing something, and I had a pile of homework for my first week. the next few days I'll log into steam while I'm sitting here doing nothing, so we can catch each other.

[GrimOswald]

Man this sounds monumentally inconvenient. :p I'm GMT -5. Does all this mean that you're only available during the ridiculously early morning of my time?

Mostly. :p Though say, yesterday and today I've been on during the afternoon, which is what, the evening for you? I think basically we just have to check on Steam whenever we're available, and hope the other is online at the same time. :p

And yes, I'm in New Zealand. Or as I like to call it, THE FUTURE!

[MtlAngelus]

Well I'm almost always on steam when I'm on this computer. I usually just don't care enough to close it. :p

So whenever you see me online hit me up for the game, betong.

[SupSuper]

Guess I have to wait for Paul to come back. On the upside we're on the same timezone. On the downside Civ5 is coming out so we'll probably be distracted. :p

[Xinos]

Guess I have to wait for Paul to come back. On the upside we're on the same timezone. On the downside Civ5 is coming out so we'll probably be distracted. :p

Well it does seem dangerous (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/dh7zy/reddit_i_beg_you_for_societys_sake_do_not_buy/).

[Zero72]

Mostly. :p Though say, yesterday and today I've been on during the afternoon, which is what, the evening for you? I think basically we just have to check on Steam whenever we're available, and hope the other is online at the same time. :pYeah, I'll just have to start keeping a better eye on Steam.

[Zero72]

Zero72: Eliminated in round 3. :p

First tournament I enter and I notch the achievement of the first loser. :p

PS: How come the smileys are broken

[GrimOswald]

I like to think of it less as you losing, and more as me winning. :p

[Zero72]

Whatever helps you cope. :p

[thomasp]

Zero72: Eliminated in round 3. :p

First tournament I enter and I notch the achievement of the first loser. :p

PS: How come the smileys are broken
Blame a forum upgrade yesterday!

[MrBunsy]

Blame a forum upgrade yesterday!

Can it do shiny things now?

[bonz]

Can it do shiny things now?
What good are the shiniest of things if we don't have smilies anymore? http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7886/sad7606410.gif

[Xinos]

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7886/sad7606410.gif

Impostor! :mad:

[Zero72]

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7886/sad7606410.gif*hurls eveyrhwere*

edit: Is there gonna be another thread for tracking the tournament in progress, or are we all lazy enough to do it in here?

[MtlAngelus]

*hurls eveyrhwere*

edit: Is there gonna be another thread for tracking the tournament in progress, or are we all lazy enough to do it in here?

There's going to be a new thread, but I'm lazy enough that I'll probably wait for at least three more matches before I post the results thread. :p

[FutureWorm]

smilies :-/ :mad: :cool:

[BetongÅsna]

Oh wait, we've started? Ah, I'll start hanging around on Steam, then.

[MtlAngelus]

New thread is up. :p

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42228