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M.Penguin
7 Mar 2009, 18:53
hi. this is my first post on this site
so i only bought this game a few weeks ago right?
and id already owned the N64 one in the past, so i was already good on it when i started :)
at the moment, im on the 28th mission, elite on deathmatch, and gold on almost all the training modes (silver on sniping) so i thought i was pretty good!
but when i went online, i was proved ALL wrong.
whenever i try to go on a match, i get kicked out, or disconnected in the middle of a match, and i dont think ive ever got a proper match, without dissconection. mabye one or twice, but still.
now i know what to say on shoppa when they ask for rules (the cow, the crate and the leader) but i get disconnected before i can say :(
and i dont get most the matches, so could someone PLEASE help me on some of the other schemes i dont know of, because i need help, and if i dont, ill get a noob reputation, and no one wants that :eek:
so could anyone help me before im doomed? thanks :)
Read this comprehensive guide: How do I NOT get kicked? (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38306)
Koen-ftw
7 Mar 2009, 19:53
It's such a shame to see WormNET as I know it slowly dying... :(
Don't worry... I think there still is that IRC channel where a lot of good players reside in.
Koen-ftw
7 Mar 2009, 20:40
Don't worry... I think there still is that IRC channel where a lot of good players reside in.
I know, I've been there for two years now. :p
But still, I wouldn't want our community to become just another intolerant bunch of newbs. This game deserves better.
M.Penguin
7 Mar 2009, 20:51
I know, I've been there for two years now. :p
But still, I wouldn't want our community to become just another intolerant bunch of newbs. This game deserves better.
..."im not a noob" *walks off in sulk*
CyberShadow
7 Mar 2009, 21:11
I believe he wasn't talking about you.
Koen-ftw
7 Mar 2009, 21:16
I'm talking about all the 'new' players. Those idiots that download a cracked copy and waltz into WormNET without caring at all about the community.
The 'new' players are no threat- they will either get bored and quit fooling around or get better and get to host their own games where they make their own rules. And I don't see what's the problem in regard to those hosts that ask people to PM the rules. I'm sure they don't make the same request to a friend joining their games.
CyberShadow
8 Mar 2009, 00:51
I'm talking about all the 'new' players. Those idiots that download a cracked copy and waltz into WormNET without caring at all about the community.I can't make a connection between having a legit copy and doing research on a game's online community before attempting to play online. And, what other games do you know where you must research stuff before going online lest you'll be labeled an idiot, by your definition?
And I don't see what's the problem in regard to those hosts that ask people to PM the rules. I'm sure they don't make the same request to a friend joining their games.This is essentially announcing "If you're new, GTFO of my game". If many games are like this, no wonder not many people try to play W:A longer than a few minutes online.
I've seen people come to #Help that knew the rules but didn't know what to type when they're asked for them. Someone also complained that they got kicked out when they replied with PACK (http://worms2d.info/PACK). Are you all saying that this is how new users should be treated?
I was wondering, is the big issue that people don't understand if a game named BNG or WXW or RR or w4w etc.etc. is a specific scheme? I have an idea for a way to help resolve this.
Can we have it so that when you host, the game will present you with a dialog box of a list of game types to choose from and the game will automatically name your game in a predictable/appropriate fashion or even colour code the name of the game? You can of course still default the list to "custom" which would let you put your own name in.
You could even add an option to adjust what the default game type is, hell you could have a "rules" button that appears after single clicking a game and when clicked it minimizes the game and takes you to the appropriate part of Worms2d.info that explains that games rules.
This is essentially announcing "If you're new, GTFO of my game". If many games are like this, no wonder not many people try to play W:A longer than a few minutes online.
I've seen people come to #Help that knew the rules but didn't know what to type when they're asked for them. Someone also complained that they got kicked out when they replied with PACK (http://worms2d.info/PACK). Are you all saying that this is how new users should be treated?
It's the natural selection... only the strong survive. I didn't know the rules 7 months ago, but I adapted and got integrated in a fairly decent clan 2 months later.
Also, I like helping people a lot, but I don't want to feel like it's my duty helping them. Most of the time, when I find some free time to play some games, I'm not in the mood of teaching new players how to play.
My point is that for a while I got treated bad, though you don't see me sympathizing new players. Why? Read the header.
In the meantime, here are the rules for all the schemes. http://worms2d.info/Schemes
As long as you know the "Honour Rules", all people should be able to play in the Conventional gameplay, Weapon specific & Other schemes sections.
Being a "Pro" online basically counts as how good you are with the Ninja Rope.
A couple of hints about how to at least look good online:
1. Having Capital Letters in your name, espically at the front. Just make sure it's not All Caps.
2. Having a couple of letters followed by a ` or a x. This siginifies that you're in a clan. Sort of.
I know this little guide isn't perfect, but it should do. Install WormKit and WormNAT2 (Guides on the WormKit Website) so you will be able to host your own games, if you can't already.
I hope I have been helpful.
2. Having a couple of letters followed by a ` or a x. This siginifies that you're in a clan. Sort of.
Your stealing idea's from me :( http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=688307&postcount=5
CyberShadow
8 Mar 2009, 11:11
It's the natural selection... only the strong survive. I didn't know the rules 7 months ago, but I adapted and got integrated in a fairly decent clan 2 months later.So, "an eye for an eye"? This kind of attitude is more likely to cause the W:A community to self-destruct than bring any good to it. Current players eventually stop playing, and if new players keep getting shunned away, the size of the community will remain in a steep decline.
Penguing, here's my advice:
Read up on the different styles of games played on WN. Let's say you enjoy shoppers, I see a game called 'shopper for noobs' hosted often enough. If not, host it yourself ;) Not saying you'r a noob, but maybe you're new to this particular gametype.
BTW, the reason why 'noobs' are being kicked out is because there are as many (or more) that don't care about any rules than there are that do want to learn. Result is, that even those taht do want to learn are being booted.
The rules demanding thing is abit stupid, but there you go, thats the way it is, typing 'abl afr cba' isnt that hard. I guess it'll wear off as soon as even the most clueless person knows what to type to not get kicked out.
1 thing I do want to stress, as I always do with these types of discussions, is that I'm glad that there are still noobs on WN at all; ppl are still coming new to the game, wich on it's own, is awesome. Without noobs, this community would have been long dead ;)
I generally ask unfamiliar people what abl, cba, afr actually mean ;)
1. Having Capital Letters in your name, espically at the front. Just make sure it's not All Caps.
2. Having a couple of letters followed by a ` or a x. This siginifies that you're in a clan. Sort of.
I lol'd...
M.Penguin
8 Mar 2009, 14:50
I actually just got gold on sniping, so im gold on all the training :D
but ya, thanks for the help so far. ill try get on more :)
I think there are two different type of noobs:
*those who want to learn (deserves to be teached)
*those who dont want to learn and just enter wormnet coz they have nothing else to do (deserves to be kicked)
I actually just got gold on sniping, so im gold on all the training
but ya, thanks for the help so far. ill try get on more
U dont learn nothing but basics playing offline.....believe me i have played 6 years offline (with friends) and when i went online i was a total noob.
In other words, playing offline with friends is fun but u dont gain any skill.
I think there are two different type of noobs:
*those who want to learn (deserves to be teached)
*those who dont want to learn and just enter wormnet coz they have nothing else to do (deserves to be kicked)
Indeed. Originally, the former type were known as "newbs", and the latter type "noobs", but that distinction seems to have blurred or even disappeared in most communities, including this one
M.Penguin
8 Mar 2009, 18:38
ive now got the full wormage :D
but ya ill try more now. thanks guy with haunter picture :)
"Guy with haunter picture", hahaha. I've never seen someone call CS that. :D
Just have patience with the people Penguin, you'll get to know some guys sooner or later and those won't boot you anymore. :) Hosting games yourself is a nice solution to your problem as well.
Guy with the Haunter Picture.
I can't wait to see CyberShadow's response to that.
And Franpa, I know exactly what you mean. But I thought that "newbs" was just a nicer way of saying "noobs".
EDIT: Franpa, what you were saying about the clan name, I actually got from NNC`Nando. (Normal No Clan)
Go into wormnet, with your hat on you. Show confidence, use lol as a form of punctuation. Call others noobs before they have a chance to call you one. Quit if you lose, swear if you win, and don't forget about your opponent's mother.
And then you'll be ready.
A new Penguin! (if anybody knows the old MrTPenguin from England)
Some of the things they are telling you here are a bit wrong (or at least should be wrong).
Roping is not everything, there is a fairly large group of people that enjoy playing games that don't require amazing roping skills. Also having finished all the missions, trainings and deathmatches shows that you have the brain and the insistence needed to be a good wormer.
Note: please don't get obsessed with shoppa (or exclusively roping games), that is only one utility.
Franpa, what you were saying about the clan name, I actually got from NNC`Nando. (Normal No Clan)
NnC actually stands for No Name Clan. It's an ancient and rather respected name on WormNet, not at all just a fake clan tag if that's what you thought.
Hm, maybe you didn't. It just sounded like you might have. Doesn't hurt to clarify. :confused:
Devoluti0n
14 Mar 2009, 03:47
I just read this topic and I'm disappointed about some answers.
I've been playing worms for 7 years, and I tried the most I could to let new players try schemes they didn't know rules.
When I guess someone is new, my first step is to ask "Hey, do you know what a "scheme name" is ?"
Most of time they answer "No", so I try to briefly brief them to let them play.
But yes indeed sometimes I also haven't been in the mood of explaining over and over what most of old players think are bases, then I just apologize and say it's a pro game only, or whatever, really trying to respect them (unless they are just here to ruin a game, then I just boot them without asking anything ^^).
I also try to give advices, and also learn them roping moves and bases : when I was in the FnI clan, I admit I was really proud about a "school" we opened, where 'noobs' were welcomed, and I just left this clan, after co-leading it for 6 years, just because it was going off this community respect. I spent so much time being "a teacher", that I just can't see the game in another way than playing to share our experiences, not matter our skill.
So when I read things like "you should come to our IRC channel, #worms, to play with old school players" etc... I really feel sad about this.
It makes me think you want to make a private "elite community" welcoming only players with knowledge of the game. And it's confirmed by the fact I just never see any of you on anything goes (Maybe sometimes, trough a snooper).
Do you imagine you just are dividing community ? I'm proud about being an active player in a dying community, and I'm hopping my actions can make new players stay much longer ! Because this all a real community is about ! I even see it, as small as it is, like a family, and no mater how many time I've been screwed, and god I've been !!, I just love this.
And I also really want to thank people acting so fair for years too, without who this game would definitely be deserted. No names need to be said. Known or unknown, they just bring more to anybody, old or new players, that most players will ever do.
Clans... I also experienced when I was clan-less, I often was kicked. But trust me, once I was playing, even untagged, they quickly saw they weren't dealing with a noob ! lol ...
Think about it ! Our knowledge is everything, and is even more tasty when it's shared, to a community struggling to be active. I don't ask to some of you to act like I do ! Because this is just the way I've fun, but, you should think about how you would love to be introduced in a brand new community, and acting this way.
StoneFrog
14 Mar 2009, 15:07
It's such a shame to see WormNET as I know it slowly dying... :(
Am I a minority if I wished there were actually some NORMAL Worms games on there (as in, deathmatch) from time to time?
Koen-ftw
14 Mar 2009, 16:33
Am I a minority if I wished there were actually some NORMAL Worms games on there (as in, deathmatch) from time to time?
When/if WormNET ever gets changed, with ranked channels and such, I'd certainly want a 'normal' channel where only the standard schemes can be played!
So when I read things like "you should come to our IRC channel, #worms, to play with old school players" etc... I really feel sad about this.
It makes me think you want to make a private "elite community" welcoming only players with knowledge of the game. And it's confirmed by the fact I just never see any of you on anything goes (Maybe sometimes, trough a snooper).
Do you imagine you just are dividing community ? I'm proud about being an active player in a dying community, and I'm hopping my actions can make new players stay much longer ! Because this all a real community is about ! I even see it, as small as it is, like a family, and no mater how many time I've been screwed, and god I've been !!, I just love this.
The IRC channel isn't any private elite community, it's a place where people discuss and possibly arrange games; anyone is welcome there (except idiots). If it is dividing the community, then it's not into "elite" and "people without knowledge of the game", it just separates good people who wants to hook up with each other.
So when I read things like "you should come to our IRC channel, #worms, to play with old school players" etc... I really feel sad about this.
It makes me think you want to make a private "elite community" welcoming only players with knowledge of the game. And it's confirmed by the fact I just never see any of you on anything goes (Maybe sometimes, trough a snooper).
This is the opposite of what was said about the #worms IRC channel in this thread. The channel is actually a lot friendlier to new players than WormNet is right now, I'd say, which is why they get directed to it.
When Koen says he wishes WormNet wouldn't become just another bunch of intolerant newbs, he means to say that everyone should care less about skill and more about personality again. This is something the majority of us in #worms certainly abide by; we're happy to welcome anyone regardless of how experienced they are at the game, as long as they're good people. This is also the criteria we go by when deciding who to play games with, it's just that many of us don't have much time or interest to play at all these days.
Edit: High five, Konar. :o
Roboslob
14 Mar 2009, 19:08
Am I a minority if I wished there were actually some NORMAL Worms games on there (as in, deathmatch) from time to time?
I hope not, since I myself enjoy deathmatch more than roppers and WxW, which a fun once and a while(for me). You will notice however that on WormNet most games are Roper, Shopper and WxW, if you find someone who plays normal games, stick with them and try to arange games with them. That tends to be a little more difficult for me since most players are in Europe, while I'm in North America, but I still get good games when I can. I don't go on much though, and personaly I think I'm about average, maybe a little above.
Among the people that play lot of normal games there is a good amount that will surely respond very well to politeness. Even in "pros" games saying something like "I don't really know how good I am" will be received with a smile and a "no problem" in most cases (even Bytor reacts in this way). In contrast (sadly) pretending to be good and failing to prove it will get you a nice "**** off noob" (specialy by Bytor xD ).
+1 to caring more about personality
StoneFrog
15 Mar 2009, 00:09
When/if WormNET ever gets changed, with ranked channels and such, I'd certainly want a 'normal' channel where only the standard schemes can be played!
Amen. It's funny how the current channels were implemented with the expectation that rope-related schemes would be the ONLY thing people cared about in multiplayer Worms matches...
textwall
Information can be wasted, we use a particular medium in order to achieve the maximun efficiency in the sharing of experience.
I could go on wormnet and give a speech on the impact of the rope-dyno combo opening move in the Elite scene of year 2000 but it would be lost in the numerous festivals of idiocy that are celebrated daily in wormnet.
So I rather be in a place were people are most likely to listen.
edit: also tired of noobs
Amen. It's funny how the current channels were implemented with the expectation that rope-related schemes would be the ONLY thing people cared about in multiplayer Worms matches...
You're wrong, what makes you think this?
its also easier to block and PM people in a actual IRC client too... like you can open a whole new message frame dedicated to PM'ing a person instead of right clicking there name every time.
Shirdel
16 Mar 2009, 09:53
Only bad point about a lack of right clicking is, there's no Copy/Paste. Not on a snooper of course.
Anyway, can we get back on topic please?
you can copy/paste in the frontend...
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