What do you think of your countries leader?

[Shadowmoon]

I don't like my leader.

Do you like yours?

[yakuza]

I Hate Bush Lol

[robowurmz]

Gordon Brown had kind of led the Brits into economic crisis.

Fuel, food. Everything's just shot up in price.

[yakuza]

Gordon Brown had kind of led the Brits into economic crisis.

Fuel, food. Everything's just shot up in price.

Tell me you're being sarcastic. Or tell me that you're 14 or something.

[Shadowmoon]

Britain is suffering knife crime all the time. Its unbelievable how nothing has been done about it.

They are actually thinking of softer sentences. Hilarious.

And also saying knife crime isn't serious. Hilarious.

And also saying we shouldn't waste food. Hilarious.

[Metal Alex]

Gordon Brown had kind of led the Brits into economic crisis.

Fuel, food. Everything's just shot up in price.

Actually, I think it went like this:

Fuel is starting to run out, and the prices, as expected by the demand, are growing. HOWEVER, our civilization uses fuel for most stuff... Specially, transport, but also heavy machinery. This means crops almost get no benefits without an increase of their price, and about transporting that food... the transport itself has to be more expensive too. This is happening in Spain aswell.

If fuel fails, expect everything to go down if we don't do anything about it...

[yakuza]

And also saying we shouldn't waste food. Hilarious.

I don't expect anything good from this thread.

First, the idea of people giving opinions on things they don't understand never works. The comments blaming a national leader of an international crysis was just the begining, and finally, wasting food is hilarious.

[yakuza]

Actually, I think it went like this:

Fuel is starting to run out, and the prices, as expected by the demand, are growing. HOWEVER, our civilization uses fuel for most stuff... Specially, transport, but also heavy machinery. This means crops almost get no benefits without an increase of their price, and about transporting that food... the transport itself has to be more expensive too. This is happening in Spain aswell.

If fuel fails, expect everything to go down if we don't do anything about it...

Fuel is not so expensive because it's running out, it's cheaper than water in some places. It's just countries that have it and those who need it have been ****ing each other off for decades now.
Food is more expensive because production is heavily based on fuel, specially cereals. Add China, inflation, natural evolution of economy to the mix and you have an international crysis.
Food is going to be fine by the end of the year anyway.

[Kelster23]

So we're all going to live to see the Greater Depression!

[Shadowmoon]

To be honest, i don't like my leaders at all as they aren't doing anything to stop knife crime. In case anyone doesn't know, knife crime is terribly terrible in britain. And telling us not to waste food? what the hell? some people don't want their food.... i hope he knows that....

The sooner he leaves, the better. I have yet to meet a person who say's our politics are good.

because i never have. Weird.

[robowurmz]

Playing too many Crytek games, Yakuza? Crysis indeed.

[MtlAngelus]

Hahaha, Shadowmoon talking about politics?
And also saying we shouldn't waste food. Hilarious.
Ahahaha.
And telling us not to waste food? what the hell? some people don't want their food.... i hope he knows that....

AHAHAHA.

[Kelster23]

Does anyone else sense an UPCOMING ECONOMY CRASH?

[Metal Alex]

Fuel is not so expensive because it's running out, it's cheaper than water in some places. It's just countries that have it and those who need it have been ****ing each other off for decades now.

Ok, add that too, since it's the main cause now, now that you mention it, but fuel isn't eternal, and will end up being BURNT some day D:

[Paul.Power]

Gordon Brown appears to have been gripped by the same bizarre fixations that hit Iain Duncan Smith towards the end of his brief reign as opposition leader. Instead of stopping and thinking for a minute and trying to develop a coherent strategy, he comes out with random craziness like "eat up all your leftovers!" (in essence taking a very complex and revealing government report on food waste and turning it into a single meaningless soundbite).

Saying that, I wouldn't trust David Cameron as far as I could throw him, and I have no idea what the Lib Dems are supposed to be doing. I'm seriously considering voting Green at the next election.

(The good news is, I live in Wales and thanks to the Welsh Assembly I'd be spared the worst of any new Conservative government in Westminster)

[Plasma]

This is why I don't like political threads.

Anyway, I don't know enough about the current Irish Taoiseach, really. The last one was a bloody great leader who brought Ireland into a huge economy boom, put an end to the civil war in Ireland & Northern Ireland, and was even invited to lead the EU before (but he declined, as he still had work to do with Ireland). But he retired a few months ago.


Also, fun fact: the country that supplies the most oil to the US is Canada!

Does anyone else sense an UPCOMING ECONOMY CRASH?
No. I expect the current rate of fuel being made from renewable recourses will prevent a huge depression occurring from lack of oil.
Wait, is a worldwide economy crash even possible?

[Metal Alex]

No. I expect the current rate of fuel being made from renewable recourses will prevent a huge depression occurring from lack of oil.
Wait, is a worldwide economy crash even possible?

Actually, if you think about it, we are already suffering from the oil, and we need to survive, not being able to focus on alternatives... Also, our governments won't develope something that will be good for the future, because the people would complain about it, because they want income NOW.

As sad as that sounds, it's what's likely to happen. No resources to investigate more alternatives, and people only caring about their own generation, leaving their problems to the next.

[Snoozy]

Never discuss politics or religion on the internet. Just... don't :p

[Paul.Power]

No. I expect the current rate of fuel being made from renewable recourses will prevent a huge depression occurring from lack of oil.Trouble with biofuels is, they're part of the reason why food prices are going up.

I dunno. Diesel-electric hybrids?

[yakuza]

Playing too many Crytek games, Yakuza? Crysis indeed.

Making fun of my spelling or something? I don't get it.

And Shadowmoon, I guess you haven't reached the school phase were they teach you about Africa yet, I'm sure you'll look back to this thread when they do, and realize how much of an idiot you sounded like.

[shadowman]

And also saying we shouldn't waste food. Hilarious.

Actually, you shouldn't waste food. Especially when the country's economy is in the crapper. Do
n't forget Soilent Green. Of course that was overcrowding and riots, but same general principal.

I don't trust the world to let me live on a fast food salary anymore, not that I would settle for a job like that. In the states, California, of course, some government judge got booted from her own house because of the horrible housing market. These are scary times.

[Metal Alex]

And also saying we shouldn't waste food. Hilarious.

I thought this was a joke from everyone, or something, but now I found it on your posts, and I can see you are quite an ignorant. An ignorant fool.

[Plasma]

Making fun of my spelling or something? I don't get it.
It's spelled 'crisis'. With two 'i's. Crysis isn't a word.

Speaking of which...:
and I can see you are quite an ignorant.
'Ignorant' isn't a noun.

[Metal Alex]

'Ignorant' isn't a noun.

Mind to say what's the noun for an ignorant person then, your magnificent spelling authority?

[Plasma]

Mind to say what's the noun for an ignorant person then, your magnificent spelling authority?
That would be 'ignoramus'.



"IGNORAMUS" has been officially approved by the National Board of Grammar Nazis!

[shadowman]

Well, at least my criticism of him was longer.

Jeesh.

[Metal Alex]

That would be 'ignoramus'.



"IGNORAMUS" has been officially approved by the National Board of Grammar Nazis!

Fantastic, now, if anyone cared, it would have been PERFECT.

[Pigbuster]

Britain is suffering knife crime all the time. Its unbelievable how nothing has been done about it.

I agree! We need to implement a knife ban straightaway!

[Akuryou13]

I agree! We need to implement a knife ban straightaway! But if knives were banned, then only the criminals would have them!

[Squirminator2k]

Not if we made being a criminal illegal.

[Xinos]

Ours suck.

[MtlAngelus]

Not if we made being a criminal illegal.
Pineapple on pizza, that should be illegal.

[Kelster23]

Pineapple on pizza, that should be illegal.

My boss would totally agree with you.
I work at a pizza place.

As sad as that sounds, it's what's likely to happen. No resources to investigate more alternatives, and people only caring about their own generation, leaving their problems to the next.
Just like the bumper sticker around here which says "I'm spending my children's inheritance."
If the oil companies weren't so retarded, we'd have some damn good electric cars running around. :cool: (No Joke)

[SomePerson]

Trouble with biofuels is, they're part of the reason why food prices are going up.

I dunno. Diesel-electric hybrids?

Plug-in hybrids that primarily use electric power for short trips and only bother with the gas engine when the battery starts to drain. As battery technologies slowly improve and become cheaper, the cars will go further and further without gas until one day manufacturers stop bothering with the gas engine all together. Smooth transition from existing tech that utilizes existing infrastructure. Our electrical system can also transition to cleaner sources like nuclear, wind and solar without changing existing infrastructure.

For people saying plug in hybrids are too far out, the Aptera (http://aptera.com/) is an interesting car which will be available here in California soon. Electric version goes 120 miles per charge, plug-in hybrid version attains 300mpg for the first 120 miles and 130mpg once the battery discharges. And at $26k for the electric and $29k for the hybrid it's not much more than a Prius. (most people I've shown that to say they'd never drive something so silly-looking. My current ride is '70 VW Bug painted like a cow - I'm used to looking silly! :) )

[quakerworm]

there are several problems with this. it is how it will eventually play out, but there are reasons it is taking so long.

first of all, we already have batteries that can replace gasoline all together. problem is, they are way too expensive. to make them cheaper, somebody needs to buy electric cars, and most people don't want to spend the money. hopefully, if gas prices keep going up, people will start switching.

second problem is that oil and engine manufacturers are extremely big industries. combined, there is hardly a financial power that can go against them. of course, as oil runs out, there is not going to be a choice but to switch over, but these giants will pull off that transition as far back as they can, making it a lot more painful than it needs to be. high gas prices right now are a part of that. it didn't have to happen.

once we transition, however, there will be a big problem meeting demand for electric power. nuclear simply won't work. if united states switches all its power use (vehicles, power plants, etc) to nuclear power, all of the known reserves of fission materials will be depleted in about a decade. so nuclear, at least the way we know it now, won't do.

solar is a better alternative. i'll use usa again, because i know data for it. in order to do the same switch as above to all solar, using the relatively cheap panels with ~10% efficiency, you would have to cover about 1% of us territory with solar panels. that sounds like a lot, but that's the same fraction as already covered by highways. simply put a panel over every section of highway, and you have enough electricity for the whole country.

there are a couple of more options. first, putting gigantic foil mirrors in orbit, we could concentrate power collection to smaller areas. preferably in deserts. another thing that we have hopes for is nuclear fusion reactors. the currently existing ones can almost break even in power production. in a few decades we should have capability to build fusion reactors. i'm not sure if these will be capable to compete with solar power, though. they'll be expensive and take up a lot of space, while solar power could be made rather cheap.

both of the above have one big flaw in that they produce extra heat on the planet. of course, fossil fuels cause that too, but they are limited. this power, in theory, is for all purposes unlimited, resulting in a very real risk of overheat. enormous cooling stations would have to be constructed to emit heat into space at higher rate than our planet is capable of. but that is still some way down the road. for right now, electric + solar is the future.

[Shadowmoon]

I'd say anyone with a knive, should be sent to jail for 4 years.

And yes, i'm ignoring every flames and mockery to be on the "safe side" when i get involved in stuff like that, i get infracted. I haven't been infracted for 2 weeks, which is good.

Thats what yauhui and most people do- so i'm doing it too. Annoyed? you may be. But i don't care, really. So carry on. Perfectly Okay.

[Paul.Power]

I'd say anyone with a knive, should be sent to jail for 4 years.My mum has a knife. She uses it to chop vegetables.

But seriously, you know why Britain has a lot of knife crime? It's the alternative to having a lot of gun crime. At least this way criminals have to get close to people first.

(Actually, even more seriously, I was threatened with a knife in school once (heck, in primary school), and never told anyone because I was too scared. Completely forgot about it until just now. Still, I'd like to think of it as an isolated incident. I agree that knife crime is a bad thing, but there's just something about Shadowmoon that makes you itch to take the opposite point of view).

[MtlAngelus]

I'd say anyone with a knive, should be sent to jail for 4 years.

Wha? I never knew it was a crime to cut a slice of butter! D:

I JUST WANTED BUTTERED TOAST! D:

[Shadowmoon]

I actually meant people carrying knives on the street.

Anyway, thanks for giving me a laugh.

[SomePerson]

If I'm about to stab someone I'm not going to hold the knife in my hand as I walk down the block, board the bus, get off the bus, and then parade with the knife in hand to a shady corner and threaten somebody with it. That's just absurd - there's no way to catch someone with a knife in public until they attack someone with it.

[Shadowmoon]

Yes, there is:

1. More police on the streets

2. And they have Metal detectors.

There is, otherwise most people in the UK wouldn`t be suggesting it.

[yauhui]

I JUST WANTED BUTTERED TOAST! D:

Butter isn't good for health. Margarine is a better alternative.

[Plasma]

2. And they have Metal detectors.
Think about how many metal objects other than knives people carry with them down streets: Watches, glasses, bone implants, metal in shoes, keys, jewelery...
In other words, metal detectors would be awful for detecting knives. Also, it would mean having to stop people on the street several times over.

[thomasp]

Trouble with biofuels is, they're part of the reason why food prices are going up.

The only thing biofuel is good for is ensuring world hunger and famine do not go extinct. Biofuels are a total waste of time and money should be poured into proper research into alternative fuels, and squeezing as much efficiency out of modern combustion engines as possible.

Not if we made being a criminal illegal.

POST OF THE YEAR :D

I'd say anyone with a knive, should be sent to jail for 4 years.

Slight problem with that - the jails are full. Hence why all the criminals are getting released early and going and stabbing people. Such a proposal would necessitate a significant increase in taxes in order to cover the cost of all the additional criminals, chefs, butchers, cooks and cutlery purchasers who are put inside.

Unfortunately, your above comment is exactly the type of knee-jerk reactions that politicians come up with, and the type of knee-jerk reaction that has been criticised in this thread.

I actually meant people carrying knives on the street.

I carry two 4-inch knives on the streets about 6 times a year - does that make me a criminal?

It is however a dinner knife - still serrated and would do quite a bit of damage. Probably as much damage as if I threw the box it was in at a victim :p (I have to bring my stuff home from university somehow y'know - and that involves a short work along a street from accommodation to car)

Yes, there is:

1. More police on the streets

2. And they have Metal detectors.


As already stated, metal detectors would detect anything metal in your pockets - guess people wouldn't be able to carry loose change, car keys, mobile phones, watches, pens, etc around with them as they'd be frisked and arrested on suspicion of carrying a knife every time they tried to board a bus.

More police and metal detectors would need a significant rise in taxes - guess what, people don't want that, particularly with a recession looming. Either that or we cut back on things like healthcare and education.

[Shadowmoon]

I know what we should do to stop all the criminals!

Get the dragons to eat all the criminals with sasuages lololololol.

The ultimate suggestion.

[Plasma]

Get the dragons to eat all the criminals with sasuages
THAT IS EGG IDEA SHADOW MOON

Also, I propose that we ban you from this thread.

[AndrewTaylor]

Mind to say what's the noun for an ignorant person then, your magnificent spelling authority?
Maybe if you don't know it, you shouldn't bandy it about.

Not if we made being a criminal illegal.
We've got to teach the world to sing, Danny Wallace is the king... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KCi1qnZSQ)

But seriously, you know why Britain has a lot of knife crime? It's the alternative to having a lot of gun crime. At least this way criminals have to get close to people first.
Also, it occurs to me that for a police officer to tackle someone with a knife must be really quite safe and easy compared to tackling someone who can make them die by remote control.

I'd have thought if guns were readily available to the criminal classes then you'd have to be pretty dumb to become a police officer, and then--

Oh, this explains so much!

Britain is suffering knife crime all the time. Its unbelievable how nothing has been done about it.

That's not true, Jacqui Smith has some only-mildly moronic ideas (http://randomreality.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2008/7/12/3790022.html) for Action!

[super_frea]

England went down the crapper a long time ago.

I prepose we ban guns... oh wait.

[robowurmz]

You see, "Crysis" is the name of a beautifully rendered but oh-so-stuffed-with-bugs game by Crytek.

The actual word is "Crisis".

[Metal Alex]

Maybe if you don't know it, you shouldn't bandy it about.

Well, excuse me for being such an ignoramus. :p

Now, go around using that word without seeming... odd.

[super_frea]

Anyway Shadowmoon. What would you prepose we do about knife crimes?
Other than stop them I mean.

[Shadowmoon]

I propose to hear your ideas on it.

[super_frea]

Well in that case knife crime is my favorite type of crime. Closely followed by vandalism.

[Shadowmoon]

And don't you think i suggested enough stupid ideas already?

[Akuryou13]

knife crimes? hell, that would be awesome! if every gun-toting neanderthal started carrying knives instead I would be infinitely happier and feel infinitely safer walking down streets at night.

guy walks up to me carrying a gun, I have 2 options: 1. give up 2. get shot. that's pretty much it.

guy walks up to me carrying a knife? I laugh in his face and kick his stupid ass. it's ridiculously easy to avoid getting killed in a knife fight where it's pretty much the only option in a gun fight. if you have trouble with a knife-wielding crook you need to learn self defense, specifically a form of karate if the option is available. if that still doesn't work, carry a knife of your own. they have all sorts of uses without requiring violence and are handy just in case as well. but really, go learn karate. if you can't fend for yourself in a fight then you avoid fights. if you can't avoid the fights, learn to fend for yourself. the same has been true throughout history, I doubt it's like to change now. a ranged weapon is the only real way to be unfair in a fight.

[Pickleworm]

oh boy a political debate thread in OO lead by a 12 year old who both admits he is not mature enough to know anything and tells everyone he's not going to listen to any dissenting opinions let's just hop right on this one

[Shadowmoon]

I'm 13, not 12.

Shall i delete this thread then?0_0

[Akuryou13]

I'm 13, not 12.

Shall i delete this thread then?0_0oh just ignore him. he was being more inflammatory than necessary.

granted, this thread is rather pointless, but don't just delete it. a mod'll lock it at some point....probably after quakerworm takes the arguments to a pointlessly deep level and utterly stops making sense himself but refuses to accept it.

[shadowman]

The only thing we have to make illegal is stupidity.

That way at least S2K would have slightly lower blood pressure.

[Shadowmoon]

The only thing we have to make illegal is stupidity.

That way at least S2K would have slightly lower blood pressure.

Then the world would be sooo boring. Would you like to have a boring world?

[Akuryou13]

Then the world would be sooo boring. Would you like to have a boring world?THAT kind of boring? oh absolutely!

[Shadowmoon]

Also, the Team 17 forum isn't the Team 17 forum if there's no idiots.....

idiots+ un-idiotic members= team 17 forum.

Akuryou: don't quite know what you mean there.

I have 2 versions of me: idiotic, and un-idiotic.

I turn into the idiotic version when i'm bored.

[Akuryou13]

no, no, no. stupid isn't something someone can turn on or off. either you're stupid or you're not. personality completely aside it's the stupid people that S2K (and me) has trouble with. if someone acts like an idiot, well that's just a personality quirk that some people like or don't like or whatever.

if we were to make stupidity illegal it would make the first group criminals, but leave the second (the ones who only act stupid at times) able to live normally.

THAT kind of boring world, I would love to live in.

[robowurmz]

You know, a world without stupid people would be a world without crime; because nobody would be stupid enough to try and attempt a murder without being found out. Likewise for burglary, etc.

I'm increasingly warming to this idea.

It wouldn't be boring though; the amount of stupid people is inversely proportional to the amount of non-stupid people; we'd be able to have many technological advances in a world with all the common-sense-using-non-stupid people around.

[Shadowmoon]

Then maybe i'm a robot, who has an "on and off button"

Also, i guess most politics are bad.

[robowurmz]

Also, i guess most politics are bad.

Then I am afraid you have guessed erroneously.

Politics prevented full-scale nuclear war in the 70's between the US and Russia; without simple diplomacy and thought, the whole planet would be a wreck now.

[Shadowmoon]

I meant today, not the past......

Also, chance of this happening is 0%, chance of it not happening is 100%

Sorry guys.

[Kelster23]

Who Killed the Electric Car? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871495968130273402&hl=en)

[shadowman]

I am not a crook!

Sometimes I think elections are useless because people are voting for the largest idiots they can.

[Shadowmoon]

I am not a crook!

Sometimes I think elections are useless because people are voting for the largest idiots they can.

How about everyone who wanted to be elected had to beat the crap out of each other? and whoever was last standing wins.

I actually agree, but it would be hard to find a way other than election.

[SomePerson]

Who Killed the Electric Car? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871495968130273402&hl=en)

I've watched that movie twice...:p


Also, 6-stroke engines (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=467) are nifty too - after the exhaust phase of a traditional 4-stroke engine they inject water into the combustion chamber which turns to steam, turning excess heat into usable energy which both cools your engine and makes it more efficient.

The ultimate solution though, is http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=discountca where you can run your car on "HHO gas" and violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and everything! ;)

[AndrewTaylor]

guy walks up to me carrying a knife? I laugh in his face and kick his stupid ass. it's ridiculously easy to avoid getting killed in a knife fight where it's pretty much the only option in a gun fight. if you have trouble with a knife-wielding crook you need to learn self defense, specifically a form of karate if the option is available. if that still doesn't work, carry a knife of your own.

That's really bad advice. If you don't know how to fight then carrying a knife is just caddying for the bad guys.

[Pickleworm]

I'm 13, not 12.

Shall i delete this thread then?0_0

Oh, sorry :/

But yes you should

[Shadowmoon]

Relating to what Aku said:

Its a knife. It has a sharp point on the end. Even if you could defend yourself its still dangerous. I would run.

You try to kick him- he plunges the knife into your leg

You try to punch him- he stabs you in the arm.

And what if your opponent is a big, man, who is stronger than you?

[super_frea]

I have to agree. Facing a guy with a knife with nothing but your fists will probably end in tears.

[Metal Alex]

I have to agree. Facing a guy with a knife with nothing but your fists will probably end in tears.

I'd call it blood, I guess.

[shadowman]

Nobody noticed that the only pointy bid of the knife he recognized was the tip?
________
<________\- This is a knife. Just go with it.
^^^^^^^^^
The bits that the arrows are pointing at are sharp.

[Shadowmoon]

shad, i know, i was just pointing out the most dangerous bit.

If thats a problem, do point that out to me.

[Akuryou13]

That's really bad advice. If you don't know how to fight then carrying a knife is just caddying for the bad guys.eh, good point. either way it'd be a good idea to learn to fight.

Relating to what Aku said:

Its a knife. It has a sharp point on the end. Even if you could defend yourself its still dangerous. I would run.

You try to kick him- he plunges the knife into your leg

You try to punch him- he stabs you in the arm.90% of the time thugs don't know how to fight. if you know what you're doing you can easily deflect the knife. I can think of about 4 techniques without knowing karate all that well.

And what if your opponent is a big, man, who is stronger than you?irrelevant. most forms of melee combat take into account that you might fight a big guy. you have to learn to work around that.

for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1HgO-BhFk&feature=related

I have to agree. Facing a guy with a knife with nothing but your fists will probably end in tears.eh, it's still an unfair fight, but it's easily surmountable, while a gun means you're screwed. it's still best to avoid fights regardless but a knife is a MUCH better choice to fight against.

[Pigbuster]

And what if your opponent is a big, man, who is stronger than you?

Then learn Aikido instead and use their strength against them. :p

2. And they have Metal detectors.

If they put metal detectors everywhere then they'll just... I dunno, carry around big sticks or something. (IF WE BAN BIG STICKS THEN ONLY THE CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE THEM!)
Metal detectors could screw around with pacemakers, and Plasma said how they would beep constantly because there is a lot of metal going around, so that's out.

Criminals commit crime. That's what they do, and they'll keep doing it. Crime comes at the price of freedom.
You could have complete and total safety if you lived in an dystopian society in which everyone was watched at all times and the moment anyone did something out of line they'd be shocked with a fatal dosage of electricity from a device that was implanted inside of them at birth, but that would be a drag.

[yakuza]

eh, good point. either way it'd be a good idea to learn to fight.

90% of the time thugs don't know how to fight. if you know what you're doing you can easily deflect the knife. I can think of about 4 techniques without knowing karate all that well.

irrelevant. most forms of melee combat take into account that you might fight a big guy. you have to learn to work around that.

for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1HgO-BhFk&feature=related

eh, it's still an unfair fight, but it's easily surmountable, while a gun means you're screwed. it's still best to avoid fights regardless but a knife is a MUCH better choice to fight against.

It's easier to theorize about what to do than to do it. Avoiding a knife attack on the streets is simple, run. Avoiding it on the train or something only requires basic defensive technique. However, unless you've been a victim of a few attacks, chances are you're going to panic.

Also, even if we assume your percentage of 90% is close to being accurate, chances are they still have more experience. Even so, if 90% of the people who practice violence can't fight, then 400% of the average person can't either.

[Akuryou13]

It's easier to theorize about what to do than to do it. Avoiding a knife attack on the streets is simple, run. Avoiding it on the train or something only requires basic defensive technique. However, unless you've been a victim of a few attacks, chances are you're going to panic.

Also, even if we assume your percentage of 90% is close to being accurate, chances are they still have more experience. Even so, if 90% of the people who practice violence can't fight, then 400% of the average person can't either.fair enough. fair enough.

I wasn't really arguing against stopping the knife crimes, more just saying they were a much better alternative to gun crimes.

[Kelster23]

How about everyone who wanted to be elected had to beat the crap out of each other? and whoever was last standing wins.

I actually agree, but it would be hard to find a way other than election.

Elections can be easily rigged. Georgie boy wouldn't have won otherwise.

[MtlAngelus]

I SAY WE ALL JUST WEAR HEAVY ROBOTlC EXOSKELETONS THAT PROTECT US FROM SHARP OBJECTS AND GUNS, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING US WITH GREATER STRENGTH LIEK MASTER SHIEF IN HALO. MAGICAL SELF-RECHARGEABLE INVISIBLE SHIELD OPTIONAL. :cool::cool::cool:

[Shadowmoon]

Also, if your opponent has a gun, the only thing you can do to protect yourself is dodge it.

Mtlangelus: I entirely agree with your suggestion.:p

[robowurmz]

Relating to what Aku said:

Its a knife. It has a sharp point on the end. Even if you could defend yourself its still dangerous. I would run.

You try to kick him- he plunges the knife into your leg

You try to punch him- he stabs you in the arm.

And what if your opponent is a big, man, who is stronger than you?

Have you ever been in a fight? I mean, seriously. A real fight. It's not a question of defence or thinking. You can't see if someone is going to kick you in the shin or not. The main thing about fights is to keep fighting for longest; the first person to drop to the ground usually loses the fight.

And if he's a big man, go for the balls. Sure, it's cowardly, but still. It WORKS.

[Akuryou13]

Also, if your opponent has a gun, the only thing you can do to protect yourself is dodge it.I'm an advocate of dodging. when it comes to fighting I've always been a defensive person. even taking a straight-forward style like Shotokan I would dodge rather than fight directly...so explain to me, since you apparently have some mastery I've never heard of. how does one dodge a bullet?

And if he's a big man, go for the balls. Sure, it's cowardly, but still. It WORKS.at the end of a fight there is one guy on the ground, one guy standing. what happened leading up to that point is not important in a fight for your life. people who complain about cheap tricks in a serious fight deserve their broken face. cowardly, my ass, it's just plain out smart.

[Paul.Power]

How about everyone who wanted to be elected had to beat the crap out of each other? and whoever was last standing wins.

I actually agree, but it would be hard to find a way other than election.Go randomocracy, I say.

[super_frea]

So explain to me, since you apparently have some mastery I've never heard of. how does one dodge a bullet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhxbYTMNMxo

I couldn't help myself.

[Akuryou13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhxbYTMNMxo

I couldn't help myself.oooooh, so all I have to do is live in a computerized world run by robots and just learn how to hack into reality itsself to allow me to move at hyper-sonic speeds! that's so simple! how could I not have figured that out before?! *facepalm*

[Plasma]

Or press the C key when your energy bar is full.

[Shadowmoon]

I have never been in a fight, no, because i do not fight.

[Akuryou13]

I have never been in a fight, no, because i do not fight.neither do I. point is to be prepared. as you said, there are lots of knife crimes happening. you'll want to be prepared for the worst. if nothing else, read some fantasy books. they tend to describe fights fairly realistically, down to the complete lack of any idea of what's actually happening :p

[MtlAngelus]

The only advice you'll ever need regarding fighting: Kick'em in the nuts and run.

[Metal Alex]

Two do not fight if one does not want...

One of them ends up on the floor, injuried, bleeeding or dead, though.

[thomasp]

Also, if your opponent has a gun, the only thing you can do to protect yourself is dodge it.


That ain't gonna work. Assassin is hiding in bushes, say, 20ft away and shoots a round at 1000 fps. You have 0.02 seconds to move out of the way - the average human reaction time alone is ten times that. And that's assuming you have excellent eyesight and can see the round the nanosecond it leaves the barrel. Don't forget sound travels considerably slower through air than light, so you'd have to take that into account too if you only "hear" the gun go off.

With a knife, at least you have to be pretty close to your potential assassin, so you can go some way to dodging or reacting, but a hidden gunman or even one who isn't shooting point-blank... no chance.

[Shadowmoon]

I have never been in a fight, no, because i do not fight.

Sorry for that, yes i have.

Asking my mum if i had, i actually had a fight with my classmate when i was 7- because he wouldn't tell me what to do on this game.

Apart from that, no.

[Akuryou13]

Sorry for that, yes i have.

Asking my mum if i had, i actually had a fight with my classmate when i was 7- because he wouldn't tell me what to do on this game.

Apart from that, no.arguments with friends don't count. those rarely come to really painful blows much less life-threatening ones.

I've sparred tons of times, but I've never actually been in a real fight. there's a huge difference. if nothing else, your reaction to the situation is completely different. there's almost no fear getting into a fight with someone you know when the argument was something you were a part of. getting jumped by a thug in a dark alley? LOTS to fear about that situation. some people will freeze up in that sort of situation, some won't. you don't really know which type you are until you experience it.

[Shadowmoon]

Where i live, it would be extremely rare for me to meet a knife-weilding guy/girl.

If i lived in London, i'd have a high chance.

[super_frea]

Where i live, it would be extremely rare for me to meet a knife-weilding guy/girl.

If i lived in London, i'd have a high chance.
Well most people don't tend to have their knives out on display because they could you know... get arrested and that...

[Shadowmoon]

Did i even say that?

[super_frea]

My point is you don't know who's carrying a knife...

[Kelster23]

If kicking them in the balls doesn't work (which it usually does) drive the palm of your hand into the bottom of their nose as hard as you can, which will usually kill them IIRC, because it drives in to the brain.

[yakuza]

Is knife crime that big of an issue in UK anyway? I mean in comparison to other similar european countries. Knife crime happens here in Spain specially since the southamerican gangs started forming here, but it's something that is present in most countries and there's little that can be done to make it dissapear completly.

[thomasp]

Well we've had about 20 deaths due to stabbing this year alone. It has suddenly rocketed - I'd call that a pretty big issue.

[yakuza]

Well we've had about 20 deaths due to stabbing this year alone. It has suddenly rocketed - I'd call that a pretty big issue.

Have most of them been commited by british natives? Or is there more to it? Are there any theories that explain the increase of those crimes? Dunno, like guns are harder to get, it's summer so there's more easy targets on nights out?

[Plasma]

drive the palm of your hand into the bottom of their nose as hard as you can, which will usually kill them IIRC, because it drives in to the brain.
That's not exactly helpful. Getting put in (hypothetical) jail isn't something you want to happen to you just because you used self-defence.

[Shadowmoon]

Thomasp: That is the ammount of teenage victims.

And yes, its now a pretty big issue.

Last year, we had 200 something killed, i think.

[Paul.Power]

This is just me coming up with a crazy idea, but why do people go walking out in city centres in the dark, when they could be safe at home on their computers?

(There are a lot of advantages to being a nerd with no social life, when you think about it...)

[Kelster23]

This is just me coming up with a crazy idea, but why do people go walking out in city centres in the dark, when they could be safe at home on their computers?

(There are a lot of advantages to being a nerd with no social life, when you think about it...)

I'm with ya, Paul :cool:

[Metal Alex]

This is just me coming up with a crazy idea, but why do people go walking out in city centres in the dark, when they could be safe at home on their computers?

(There are a lot of advantages to being a nerd with no social life, when you think about it...)

*gets hacked*

Even though, I have to admit it's much better than getting stabbed :p

[Plasma]

(There are a lot of advantages to being a nerd with no social life, when you think about it...)
Most people say that guys that spend so long on the internet and on gaming do so because they have no social skills. I always thought it to be the other way around.

[yakuza]

Most people say that guys that spend so long on the internet and on gaming do so because they have no social skills. I always thought it to be the other way around.

Statistically speaking, there's just too many evidence against what you think. Not counting work PC hours and such.

[Pigbuster]

Huh. Apparently 50 people have been stabbed in London up to this point in the year.
Minnesota had 55 gun homicides in 1996, and that was a whole state. Though we had 244 suicides... which is creepy...

So, yeah. I guess I can see why that's an issue. I apologize if I was taking it too lightly.
Still, it's not exactly an easy problem to solve. I doubt that simply putting more officers in the alleyways would make a significant difference.

[Slick]

Silly thread, my country doesn't have a leader. :cool:

[Squirminator2k]

Silly rabbit.

[Kelster23]

Silly thread, my country doesn't have a leader. :cool:

George Bush doesn't count as a leader.:cool:

[Shadowmoon]

Paul Power: Some knifemen go into your house, by smashing your houses door with a sledge hammer.

They go in, and stab you, or even shoot you dead!

this has happened before.

[robowurmz]

Believe it or not, I've learned most of my fighting from Adventure Mode in Dwarf Fortress; no matter how stupid or lame that sounds, it describes it very well; before now, I've wrestled somebody both bigger and stronger than me to the ground through various stuff I've done in DF. Ooh, and I threw a pinecone which just so happened to make one of my friends slip over. So it looked like the pinecone knocked him down, it was hilarious.

[Akuryou13]

Paul Power: Some knifemen go into your house, by smashing your houses door with a sledge hammer.

They go in, and stab you, or even shoot you dead!

this has happened before.yes, but the chances of that are nearly one in a million. the chances of stupid people getting knifed in a dark alley at night are about 1:4 or so*.


*completely made up

[yakuza]

*completely made up

No ****. That'd mean around 1000 knife attacks per weekend. And that's rounding down.

[Akuryou13]

No ****. That'd mean around 1000 knife attacks per weekend. And that's rounding down.hehe, didn't actually think about what that stat would mean in terms of how many people would get stabbed. that's an awesome statistic :)

[super_frea]

I kicked a boys ass once :cool:

[Shadowmoon]

I kicked a boys ass once :cool:

You should be arrested for animal cruelty!

[super_frea]

That's not very nice. You don't even know him.

[Akuryou13]

That's not very nice. You don't even know him.*bows in worship*

[Shadowmoon]

That's not very nice. You don't even know him.

Its god?

*bows in worship*

[Kelster23]

I will be a rebel!
*Salutes*

[Plasma]

Goddam, how come nobody ever worships me anymore?

WORSHIP ME, YOU HANDCRACKERS!

[super_frea]

Well I certainly am popular today D:

[Kelster23]

Well I certainly am popular today D:

Isn't that a good thing? You have two people worshiping you and one saluting!
*Salutes*

[robowurmz]

*oranges*

No, don't ask.

[shadowman]

*gives tea*

What? It's all I've got. Also it's a little cold.

[Pickleworm]

No, seriously, delete this thread

[thomasp]

Nah, will just lock it, since it's long since departed from the original topic.


*Thread closed because Pickleworm asked for it to be deleted :p*