The Pokémon Thread

[super_frea]

Right in order to keep the Fan Artist of the month thread from deteriorating into a fully fledged Pokémon debate (granted it already has) I have created this thread.

Here are my personal favourite quotes from the debate so far (notice how I have included quotes from myself here, oh arrogance i love thee)

All the new pokemon suck. They should have stuck with 151. And no confusing names.

They sucked.

Red Blue and Yellow and Green. Best ever and still are the best.


And the newer ones don't suck! i hate people saying this.

You're good at being wrong.

The new ones do suck.

Newer Pokemon don't suck. You just want to pretend things were different "back in my day" combined with an excuse as to why you don't know who newer pokemon are. S'true.

I stopped playing at that red remake for the GBA. I loved it, to some extent. (I REMADE my team from the old game... felt good :))

Anyways, the new ones, do indeed suck. They don't have the same feeling anymore. And even though I say the more the merrier, they are just pulling the frachise to its limits.

Even the Gold/Silver ones where not off yet... But take a look on the older legendaries, and on the new ones... Articuno and That Palkia or whatever. They don't represent anything now. Just a fancy design.

newer pokemon do suck, and i agree with that comic-strip. The designers have went way over the top and made the majority of them look like robotic animals with metallic coatings. The originals were great but now these just blow.

Pokemon hasn't been genuinely good since Gold & Silver.

Well Pokemon lost me as soon as bloody Togepi (spelling) was introduced. He was an annoying little mo fo. They have pushed the franchise too far, thinking that adding new Pokemon will make up for the fact that every new release is essentially the same game with better graphics. Red, blue, green and yellow were all the same games only with different Pokemon (aside from the Pikachu that followed you around in Yellow) but I didn't mind then because the franchise then was something new and generally original.

The new pokemon do, indeed, suck. they've lost thier creativity. all of the originals looked like they were elemental incarnations of whatever alignment they were. they were very original characters with a life of their own. I've just gone and looked at the differences between the originals and the new ones, and the originals all make sense, I can guess what they are based on their appearance. the gold & silver ones are more borderline but probably about half of them are still fairly good. by whatever the next series was they were completely out of ideas and all of the pokemon were just random characters with nothing linking them together at all. not only can I not tell what elemental alignment they are, I can't even tell what they're supposed to be. it's sort of like the square characters of today. the new ones are fine if taken at face value but when comparing them to the originals that were actually GOOD, they don't compare.

I grew up with Ruby and Sapphire, and the games don't suck, its also got better graphics and is more exciting and mysterious, and it also has dive which is fun to use.

Also, the Regi's are reasonable. The only pokemon i hate are: Shaymin, Combee, Delbird, Unown, Drowsee and Hypno, Wobbuffet, Caterpie, Beedril, one pokemon with a paintbrush tail, and Butterfree and Kakuna and Castform.

Koffing > All


Jewmon


Do you judge pokemon on their looks you all? i judge em on their power.

Oh. I just made up a new pokemon. It has INFINITE POWER OF ALL TYPES AND IS INMORTAL AND CAN READ MINDS AND TRAVEL TROUGH TIME AND IT IS MORE POWERFULL THAN GOD. And it looks like a giant turd with genitalia. Is it the most awesome pokemon ever?
I think I have proofededented my point.

[Plasma]

Continuing on from the previous thread: what do you think of the doubles battle system?

[MtlAngelus]

NO.
Just, NO.

[Metal Alex]

I don't have anything more to say, now :-/

[iInk]

Also on a different note was anyone else majorly P*ssed that they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in Brawl?

[super_frea]

It doesn't bother me particularly because I never really played as Mewtwo anyway (Link and Fox ftw!). But I 'spose given the choice I would rather be Mewtwo, but that is mainly because I don't know who Lucario is. :p

[Kelster23]

Should've ended at Gold/Silver/Crystal in my opinion, even though I do play the new games just because I still have a spot in my heart for Pokemon.
Mewtwo, is my favorite of all time, and no matter what new Pkmns come along, Mewtwo is the most powerful. If you remember the quote from the beginning of the First Movie: This is a tale of the most powerful Pokemon of all.
On a side note, hate 4kids now even more for cutting this out of the First Movie.Baby Mewtwo! No joke. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fTp0AXtCtI)

[Plasma]

and no matter what new Pkmns come along, Mewtwo is the most powerful ... This is a tale of the most powerful Pokemon of all.
*facepalm*


Personally, my favourite is Mew. Being able to know any TM/HM really helps to formulate additional strategies, and there's Transform as a back-up too.

[franpa]

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=653527#post653527
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=653517#post653517

These two messages that the OP quoted really do do justice here.

[Zero72]

Also on a different note was anyone else majorly P*ssed that they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in Brawl?Disappointed, yes, but not really ****ed. I liked Mewtwo, but he wasn't really a good character in the ways that really mattered, I guess...

I was honestly much more disappointed that they left out Pichu. :(

[Xinos]

Right in order to keep the Fan Artist of the month thread from deteriorating into a fully fledged Pokémon debate (granted it already has) I have created this thread.

Have you considered the feelings of us who don't actually visit the Fan Art section? Don't bring this war to me :[

[Shadowmoon]

Ruby and Sapphire ones ftw!

Diamond and Pearl? meh.

Ruby and Sapphire pokemon for me!

Rayquaza, is so awesome!:D

He's mah fave.

Btw Deoxys is the most powerfull of the series!

[super_frea]

Rayquaza, is so awesome!:D
He was in Brawl wasn't he.

But he's just essentially a metal version of Onix or Gyrados. The elemental theme has just gone out the window and Pokemon SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE ROBOTS! They are monsters not effing robots. Which is a prime example to show that they've run out of ideas.

[Shadowmoon]

Try inventing 493 pokemon yourself.

See how hard it is?

[super_frea]

Exactly you turd. That's why they shouldn't have done it...

[tal05]

Lmao Owned!!

[Plasma]

But he's just essentially a metal version of Onix
No, they already did make a metal version of Onix.
As in literally.

and Pokemon SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE ROBOTS! They are monsters not effing robots. Which is a prime example to show that they've run out of ideas.
Most don't though.

[Shadowmoon]

Also on a different note was anyone else majorly P*ssed that they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in Brawl?

Not me. I love lucario, i think he is much better than mewto......

Also super_frea its most of the legendarys that look like robots.......

[_Kilburn]

Heh, when I was still a Pokemon fan, I was seriously about to invent up to 110 pokemon which would be based on every different atom from the periodic table. You know, something like Unnown (or whatever his name is), but instead of having one for each letter, there is one for each atom. And their attacks would be based on their physical and chemical properties.

I lost all the drawings and concepts though. :(

[super_frea]

No, they already did make a metal version of Onix.
As in literally.
Are you talking about the Metal Coat in Diamond?

Not me. I love lucario, i think he is much better than mewto......

Mewtwo is one of my favorite Pokemon so GTFO!
I just never played as him in SSB:M


Also super_frea its most of the legendarys that look like robots.......

You seem to think you are making a point here. But I'm confused as to what that point actually is.

Heh, when I was still a Pokemon fan, I was seriously about to invent up to 110 pokemon which would be based on every different atom from the periodic table. You know, something like Unnown (or whatever his name is), but instead of having one for each letter, there is one for each atom. And their attacks would be based on their physical and chemical properties.

I lost all the drawings and concepts though. :(
YOU FOOL!
That would of been amazing. I spent a fair amount of my childhood creating my own Pokemon :cool:

Oh and also
The greatest Pokemon of all time:
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/c/c6/Bulbasaur.gif

[Plasma]

Are you talking about the Metal Coat in Diamond?
It first appeared in in Gold and Silver.
And yes, I'm talking about Steelix (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/208.shtml).

Also super_frea its most of the legendarys that look like robots.......
'Most'? I count 7 out of 34 legendaries that look robotic, and one of those seven is supposed to.

[Shadowmoon]

The point i'm trying to make sf is that most of the legendarys look like robots.....

Mewtwo, Kyogre, Giratina, Heatran, Arceus, Groudon, All of dah regi's, Deoxys, Jirachi. Those look like robots, methinks.

My favourite starter pokemon is chikorita.

Also Heatran is a robot.

[iInk]

Disappointed, yes, but not really ****ed. I liked Mewtwo, but he wasn't really a good character in the ways that really mattered, I guess...

I was honestly much more disappointed that they left out Pichu. :(
I was p*ssed. He was one of my faves.

Not me. I love lucario, i think he is much better than mewto......

Also super_frea its most of the legendarys that look like robots.......

Mewtwo and Mew are the greatest Pokemon in existance. I think Mew just snags it.

And what? The legendaries don't look like robots. I think like 5 out of about 30 do (estimate)

[super_frea]

The point i'm trying to make sf is that most of the legendarys look like robots.....

Mewtwo, Kyogre, Giratina, Heatran, Arceus, Groudon, All of dah regi's, Deoxys, Jirachi. Those look like robots, methinks.
But what are you telling me? I already know that thanks. I'm saying I don't like robotic looking Pokemon.

Just because they are Legendarys doesn't make them good Pokemon in my eyes...

[Shadowmoon]

I was p*ssed. He was one of my faves.



Mewtwo and Mew are the greatest Pokemon in existance. I think Mew just snags it.

And what? The legendaries don't look like robots. I think like 5 out of about 30 do (estimate)

They do, imo. Read my previous post!

SF- Legendaries make you powerfull. I have everyone and i've never been beaten ever with my current party! omg!

[Plasma]

The point i'm trying to make sf is that most of the legendarys look like robots.....

Mewtwo, Kyogre, Giratina, Heatran, Arceus, Groudon, All of dah regi's, Deoxys, Jirachi. Those look like robots, methinks.
That's 12, that still wouldn't make most legendaries look like robots. And that's really stretching out what looks like a robot.

[iInk]

They do, imo. Read my previous post!

I think you need to learn what a robot actually is...

[super_frea]

SF- Legendaries make you powerfull. I have everyone and i've never been beaten ever with my current party! omg!
Good lord Shadowmoon. POWERFUL POKEMON DO NOT. I REPEAT NOT EQUAL GOOD POKEMON.

[Shadowmoon]

I think you need to learn what a robot actually is...

If you don't groudon and kyogre and Giratina and heatran don't like one then that is weird!

I know what they are, btw

[iInk]

If you don't groudon and kyogre and Giratina and heatran don't like one then that is weird!

I know what they are, btw
*slaps forehead*
Yes if you'd've read my previous post I had stated that about 5 of the legendaries do indeed look like robots. There is no question of that.

[Shadowmoon]

*slaps forehead*
Yes if you'd've read my previous post I had stated that about 5 of the legendaries do indeed look like robots. There is no question of that.

I think different, i'm afraid.....

I'd say 12 or 10 look like robots.:cool:

[super_frea]

I think different, i'm afraid.....

I'd say 12 or 10 look like robots.:cool:

Well then you're really pushing the boundaries as to what a robot looks like.

[Metal Alex]

Mewtwo doesn't look a robot. It's a genetically modified thing. I remember it was said on the original games, and what do you know? there's nothing metalic on him. Or spikey.

Those where the days, when they made original stuff, and not robot-like stuff for legendaries because they are meant to be just cool, without any depth.

[Oft99]

Some of the new pokemon are brilliant concepts, but that's less than 50% of the ones they make, the rest suck so hard, including pretty much all of the new legendaries.

Of the 493 pokemon there are, only about 200 are in any way original and worth adding.
That 200 consists mostly of the original 151 (with the exception maybe of Execute and Executor which IMO were the only pointless ones in the first 151) and any new Pokemon connected in evolution to the first 151/149 like Steelix, Pichu, Scizor, Electivire, Magmortar, etc (with the expection of Politoed) and maybe a few others that were quite original.

EDIT: This conversation about new pokemon reminds me of earlier conversations I once had on elsewhere about the new Sonic characters.

[Shadowmoon]

anyone who doesn't like the new games are selfish, never happy whiners. They've dramatically done sooo much to improve the games that they need a good pat on the back

I think thats a good point.

[Pigbuster]

Also on a different note was anyone else majorly P*ssed that they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in Brawl?

I'm kinda confused that they got rid of Mewtwo. Brawl had a thing about including the villain from most of the series (such as Wolf), so you'd think they'd keep Mewtwo, as he's probably the closest thing Pokémon ever got to a villain.

And Lucario... I actually think he'd have a pretty nice design if it wasn't for those god-awful spikes that jutted out in awkward places.

[Plasma]

Hmm. In other Pokemon-related news, Pokemon Platinum is set to be released this Autumn. In Japan, of course.

I'm kinda confused that they got rid of Mewtwo. Brawl had a thing about including the villain from most of the series (such as Wolf), so you'd think they'd keep Mewtwo, as he's probably the closest thing Pokémon ever got to a villain.
Well, half of it was because he was generally out of date as his movie appearance was nearly 10 years ago (10 movies were made since then, including the one released next month.) and Lucario was a much more recent hero, and because he was a clone character in Melee.

As for a villain, I do believe Darkrai is the newest Pokemon villain now. Although I expect Girantina to become the newer one once the next movie is out.

Edit: Oh, and Mewtwo stopped being a villain. [Link] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon:_Mewtwo_Returns)

[Shadowmoon]

There..... will be..... more pokemon games?

yahoo!

*throws a party*

Just checked it out. It will have Giratina as the main legendary, and will feature tweaks to the story, and of course, new pokemon sprites.

I'm pysched.

Also plasma, its GIRATINA.

[MtlAngelus]

There..... will be..... more pokemon games?

NO WAI!

As long as there's kids like you buying every instance of the game they throw at you however bad it is, they will keep making them.

This series should have died ages ago and make room for something new and better.
Or at the very least, the Anime should have died since the very first day it aired... x_x

[Shadowmoon]

pokemon is not great, and not good, its fantastic. Comes 3rd in the top selling series.

The new games are not bad and horrible. This is what i hate people thinking.

Yeah, i'm soooo buying it......

*saves up money*

[Oft99]

Yes, Pokemon Platinum, inprovements are a new form of Giratina, a new form of Shaymin, minor tweaks to the storyline, new sprites and wi-fi enabled Underground.
...nice improvements but...that's all that's changed. That's IT. other than that it's the same *BLEEP!*ing game.

I mean the series is a monstrous and deformed cadaver as it is, and kids like Shadowmoon aren't helping.

[Shadowmoon]

Yes, Pokemon Platinum, inprovements are a new form of Giratina, a new form of Shaymin, minor tweaks to the storyline, new sprites and wi-fi enabled Underground.
...nice improvements but...that's all that's changed. That's IT. other than that it's the same *BLEEP!*ing game.

I mean the series is a monstrous and deformed cadaver as it is, and kids like Shadowmoon aren't helping.

Because i'm a BIG pokemon fan.

I have all games except the sucky mystery dungeon.

[Plasma]

Yes, Pokemon Platinum, inprovements are a new form of Giratina, a new form of Shaymin, minor tweaks to the storyline, new sprites and wi-fi enabled Underground.
...nice improvements but...that's all that's changed. That's IT. other than that it's the same *BLEEP!*ing game.
Well yes. That's the way it's always been: three games per generation (counting Blue and Green as one). The system primarily goes that you should only buy one of the three, unless you're a Pokefanatic.

[super_frea]

Because i'm a BIG pokemon fan.

I have all games except the sucky mystery dungeon.

Why? They are all incredibly similar. I bought red and yellow, which was a mistake because they are both the same game. I had Gold and I did like it but I ended up selling it because again it was pretty much the same game. I've played most of the others, at least one from every generation and they are all the same. I've tried to like them trust me, but I just don't.

[Plasma]

Why? They are all incredibly similar. I bought red and yellow, which was a mistake because they are both the same game. I had Gold and I did like it but I ended up selling it because again it was pretty much the same game. I've played most of the others, at least one from every generation and they are all the same. I've tried to like them trust me, but I just don't.
Well, there is the added fact that it's all too common to play through a Pokemon game more than once, and playing through the same map and events but with different wild pokemon, along with the chance to 'Catch Them All', is much better than playing through the exact same game again.

[Metal Alex]

Well, there is the added fact that it's all too common to play through a Pokemon game more than once, and playing through the same map and events but with different wild pokemon, along with the chance to 'Catch Them All', is much better than playing through the exact same game again.

In the end, it was the same game, but tweaked. Change some spawns here and there, and done. Oh, and Pikachu's mood, apparently :p The rest being the same, it feels like... the exact same game, but started over again. With G/S, it was quite different because it had new pokemon and that. I can't exactly remember about that one, it has been quite a lot of time since I last played, but I remember it felt, although similar, quite new.

[poninja]

whoa pokemon is first place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_20_console_games_of_all_ti me)

[Kelster23]

Ruby and Sapphire ones ftw!

Diamond and Pearl? meh.

Ruby and Sapphire pokemon for me!

Rayquaza, is so awesome!:D

He's mah fave.

Btw Deoxys is the most powerfull of the series!
Deoxys is stupid. Mewtwo could kick his ass.

Are you talking about the Metal Coat in Diamond?
In a way, yes. He's reffering to that if you trade an Onix with a Metal Coat it evolves into Steelix.


Mewtwo is one of my favorite Pokemon so GTFO!
I just never played as him in SSB:M
I found him to be my best character, along with Luigi and Mr. Game and Watch.



Oh and also
The greatest Pokemon of all time:
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/c/c6/Bulbasaur.gif
Bulbasaur is awesome :cool:

The point i'm trying to make sf is that most of the legendarys look like robots.....

Mewtwo, Kyogre, Giratina, Heatran, Arceus, Groudon, All of dah regi's, Deoxys, Jirachi. Those look like robots, methinks.

My favourite starter pokemon is chikorita.

Also Heatran is a robot.
How does Jirachi look like a robot? It looks more like a plushie to me! And Mewtwo actually looks like a living creature, though I never did understand what the tube on the back of his head was about.

They do, imo. Read my previous post!

SF- Legendaries make you powerfull. I have everyone and i've never been beaten ever with my current party! omg!

No. I went into the Battle Tower and owned almost everyone with a Purugly, and the other 2 changed whenever. I used Legendaries if I was stuck in a rut, but I usually found I didn't need them.

[super_frea]

"anyone who doesn't like the new games are selfish, never happy whiners. They've dramatically done sooo much to improve the games that they need a good pat on the back" I think thats a good point.

Sorry what? Selfish? How the f*** is not liking a game selfish? I think your "friend" needs a lesson in what selfishness means. Whiners I'll give you because yes I am whining about the new Pokemon games. But I have every right to moan about when a franchise fails. It's my right as a human being, to express my opinion. I did it with Sonic and I'll bloody well do it with Pokemon. And screw your "friend" for saying they've "dramatically done sooo much to improve the games". They have not! This is a cold hard fact and there's no beating around the bush. They have done, at a push, a bit. They've added new Pokemon and better graphics, ignoring all the gimmicky other stuff, and that doesn't compensate.


Here's a good example of what I mean: Notice how good television series such as Faulty Towers and Spaced only did two series in order to keep the program from going stagnant. Now look at programs such as The Simpsons and Scrubs. Now as much as I love them both they've gone on waaaaaay to long, ruining their once untarnished reputation of comedy gold. Nintendo should have stopped whilst they were ahead. They've ruined Pokemon for me, much as Sega have ruined Sonic.

You weren't there when it was first released (or if you were you would have been too young). Obviously you are going to think the newer games are better because you bloody well played them first you wally (again unless you played the first ones at a really young age). I judge games on the initial impact they gave me when I first played it, so if a game is incredibly similar to the one that came before it, it p*ssed me off.

Also I'm betting that quote was from you.

whoa pokemon is first place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_20_console_games_of_all_ti me)
That isn't surprising to me really. Everyone my age owned either Pokemon Red, Blue, Green or Yellow at some stage. It was a bloody phenomenon.


Bulbasaur is awesome :cool:

My Bulbasaur could kick anyone's ass :cool:


Hmm well this post certainly escalated from what it was originally. I love how worked up I'm getting over Pokemon games :p

[shadowman]

I'm sticking to my opinion.

Also, blocky graphics made the game that much more fun. It's all the greatness of figuring out what you're looking at. :p

But I do love the classics, because they remind me of my early childhood.

*remembering*

[Kelster23]

So, how many of your recognize Mew (Mewtwo not so much) like THIS?

[Plasma]

In the end, it was the same game, but tweaked. Change some spawns here and there, and done. Oh, and Pikachu's mood, apparently :p The rest being the same, it feels like... the exact same game, but started over again. With G/S, it was quite different because it had new pokemon and that. I can't exactly remember about that one, it has been quite a lot of time since I last played, but I remember it felt, although similar, quite new.
I was talking about the difference between the first two games in a generation, and the third game in the generation. Not the difference between two generations.

So, how many of your recognize Mew (Mewtwo not so much) like THIS?
Aaaand what game is that from?

[Shadowmoon]

Sorry Kelster, no. At level 100 mewtwo has 200 something attack. Deoxys at that level has 300 something attack. I know mewtwo has 300 something defense, but in D and P by talking to meteorites you can get it to a different type of stats.

Oh and Mew is one of my favourites, it can learn lots of TM's.

Super_frea: I'm buying the game because i want to. Also because my sis is getting it, and also because i can get wifi, (i didn't have it before)

I'm selling D and P today to get money for the new one.

[franpa]

talking to meteoritesI think that sums up the new pokemon games doubly nicely.


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_20_console_games_of_all_ti me
Notice how the newer pokemon sold LESS then the older ones? each new pokemon generation sells less then the last.

[yauhui]

Sorry, but I think Pokémon should have stopped AGES ago..

I once had Pokémon playing cards and boy, they were much more fun than any of the new games they released.

And what company owned the rights to Pokemon again? Nintendo?

Hmm, that made me wonder. Why didn't Nintendo make a Pokemon game to go with their Wii?

ALSO: What on earth is GAME FREAK Inc?! :p

[super_frea]

Sorry Kelster, no. At level 100 mewtwo has 200 something attack. Deoxys at that level has 300 something attack. I know mewtwo has 300 something defense, but in D and P by talking to meteorites you can get it to a different type of stats.

Mewtwo would kick Deoxys in the face. Plus Deoxys looks like some kind of robotic, jester, squid.


Super_frea: I'm buying the game because i want to. Also because my sis is getting it, and also because i can get wifi, (i didn't have it before)
You're buying the game because you want to? But also your sister is getting it? That doesn't make sense because if you mean your sister is buying it for you then you aren't buying the game.

Oh well it's your (or your sisters) money.

[Alien King]

Oh and Mew is one of my favourites, it can learn lots of TM's.


That's the point, he can learn them all.
I have some very amusing images watching a flying mouse use something like Mega Punch against what's basically a big snake made of of animated rocks.
In my mind of course.

I found the Pokemon series lost its charm after the first three games. It started trying to take itself to seriously and lost any originality it had.
Can't they just let the damn thing die?

Although I'm really annoyed they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in SSBB. I loved playing as Mewtwo in SSBM, no matter how easily he was knocked of the stage or how slowly he moved around without using Teleport. I've had a liking for him ever since my sister made a comment saying how he looked very much like me. :D


whoa pokemon is first place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_20_console_games_of_all_ti me)

It gets worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PC

Just look at the top of that list.

Also, Haunter is awsome!

[Plasma]

Hmm, that made me wonder. Why didn't Nintendo make a Pokemon game to go with their Wii?
They did. It was the first Wii game to have online capabilities. It was also the first Wii game to be able to interact with the DS.

Can't they just let the damn thing die? ... Although I'm really annoyed they replaced Mewtwo with Lucario in SSBB.
Okay... so you want the entire series to have died ages ago, but you also complain when one character essentially died out too...
:confused:

[Metal Alex]

Okay... so you want the entire series to have died ages ago, but you also complain when one character essentially died out too...
:confused:

I'm quite sure he meant it for the new ones, like Lucario.

[Alien King]

Okay... so you want the entire series to have died ages ago, but you also complain when one character essentially died out too...
:confused:

I don't really regard any character from any series appearing in any SSB game to be part of their series (and it wouldn't make sense if you did too). It's just a good fighting game that stars characters from previous Nintendo games.

Liking or disliking a particular character from a game doesn't mean I have to like or dislike the entire game or franchise. I just feel that the Pokemon franchise has gone too far and has done little to spice things up.

[Splapp]

All i'm saying is this:

Pokémon 1 - 150 = :cool:
Pokémon 151 - 251 = :)
Pokémon 252+ = :(
Pokémon 109 = <3

[Alien King]

Pokémon 109 = <3

I understand why. :D

[Shadowmoon]

No. I'm getting the game and so is my sister.

Because then i can battle and play with her which will be fun.

[super_frea]

What ever happened to quoting Shadowmoon?
Hmm. In other Pokemon-related news, Pokemon Platinum is set to be released this Autumn. In Japan, of course.

"Pokemon Platinum is an announced title in the Pokémon series of video games. It will be an enhanced remake of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, in the same vein as Pokémon Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald."

In other words... FAIL!
Why would you buy it Shadowmoon if you've already got Diamond?

[Shadowmoon]

The point is me and my sister traded it in ages ago.

After a few months me and my sister began to miss it. We used to play together on it. She's 8, but she acts more like a boy.

So to get Pokemon Platinum would mean that we can play multiplayer i also can now go on WIFI (i didn't have it before)

The reason i'm not quoting posts SF is because i'm on my psp.

[Oft99]

The point is me and my sister traded it in ages ago.

After a few months me and my sister began to miss it. We used to play together on it. She's 8, but she acts more like a boy.

So to get Pokemon Platinum would mean that we can play multiplayer i also can now go on WIFI (i didn't have it before)

The reason i'm not quoting posts SF is because i'm on my psp.

I hope you know Diamond and Pearl had Wii battles and trading, the only new Wifi thing in Platinum is underground.

Oh and if anyone cares, my favourite Pokemon is 125 Electabuzz, WOOOO!

[Shadowmoon]

I meant i couldn't get wifi on my house....

My fave is 151, mew. Rayquaza is one of my faves, but mew does it for me.

[Plasma]

My fave is 151, mew. Rayquaza is one of my faves, but mew does it for me.
What happened to Deoxys?

Oh wait, the week has passed, hasn't it?

[MtlAngelus]

What happened to Deoxys?

Oh wait, the week has passed, hasn't it?
Shadowmoon changes opinion every hour, actually.

[Shadowmoon]

What happened to Deoxys?

Oh wait, the week has passed, hasn't it?

I have a lot of favourites.

My faves are Deoxys, Mew, Lugia, Luxio, Rayquaza, Tyranitar, Dragonite, Pikachu, Infernape, Golem, Gengar, Mesprit, Giratina, Raichu, Hippowdon, Kabutops, Rampardos, Regigas, Scizor, Machamp, Lucario, Riolu, Groudon, Kyogre, Rydon, Garchomp, Luxray, Glameow, and...... Arceus.

[Kelster23]

My favorite Pokemon are mainly cats, but not limited to. This includes:
Mewtwo, Mew, Skitty, Delcatty, Meowth, Persian, Glameow, Purugly, Bulbasaur, Eevee, Vaporeon, Flareon, Jolteon, Embreon, Umbreon, Raichu, Cyndaquil, Mudkip, Lugia, Articuno, Wigglytuff, Ninetails, Scyther, Porygon, Porygon 2, Porygon Z, Aron, Aggron, Groudon and Duskull.
I think I got them all :P

And I don't know where you got your stats from Shadowmoon...
Mewtwo (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/150.shtml) Deoxys (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/386.shtml)

Those sprites I posted earlier were from Pokemon Green.

[Shadowmoon]

I got them from diamond and pearl.

[Plasma]

Well Shadowman is right in that Attack-form Deoxys usually has a stronger attack than Mewtwo, but the final stats are never constant.

[super_frea]

My faves are Deoxys, Mew, Lugia, Luxio, Rayquaza, Tyranitar, Dragonite, Pikachu, Infernape, Golem, Gengar, Mesprit, Giratina, Raichu, Hippowdon, Kabutops, Rampardos, Regigas, Scizor, Machamp, Lucario, Riolu, Groudon, Kyogre, Rydon, Garchomp, Luxray, Glameow, and...... Arceus.
You didn't say Bulbasaur, therefor you will from this point onwards be known as Shadowtesticle.

[Kelster23]

You didn't say Bulbasaur, therefor you will from this point onwards be known as Shadowtesticle.

I said Bulbasaur :cool:

[Shadowmoon]

You didn't say Bulbasaur, therefor you will from this point onwards be known as Shadowtesticle.

Bulbasaur is....

[insert random word here]

[Kelster23]

Bulbasaur is....

[insert random word here]

made of WIN.

[super_frea]

I said Bulbasaur :cool:
And that is why you are much cooler than Shadowtesticle will ever be :cool:
Bulbasaur is....

[insert random word here]
Quiet Shadowtesticle, if you can't even think of a word for yourself then you might as well have not posted.

Bulbasaur is at least 4 times as good as Deoxys.

[Shadowmoon]

I put no grass type pokemon because i don't like them.

Also the word i was going to say is weak. I chose him on blue once and got stuck on the first gym.

Also my fave starters from each games... first generation is charmander for the next is Cyndaquil, 3rd is Mudkip, and finally chimchar. They don't make it into my favourites though.

fine bulbasaur can be one coz super_frea demanded it......

[Metal Alex]

Also the word i was going to say is weak. I chose him on blue once and got stuck on the first gym.

Also my fave starters from each games... first generation is charmander for the next is Cyndaquil, 3rd is Mudkip, and finally chimchar. They don't make it into my favourites though.

OK, ENOUGH. Are you aware that Charmander is actually the WEAKEST for the first gim? Not only fire stuff hurts rock less, BUT ALSO gets damaged more. Bulbasaur is particulary a good one to use, if you use plant attacks. And squirtle was the best option. Heck, it had an attack to drain hp from the enemy... Dunno when he learned it, though :p

I can bet anything that you either had to train more than with Bulbasaur before the first gym, or to get any other wild pokemon.

And I know that because Charmander was my starter. (Nicknamed "Calentito" :cool: )

edit: So Mudkip is a starter!? the more you know...

[super_frea]

I put no grass type pokemon because i don't like them.

Also the word i was going to say is weak. I chose him on blue once and got stuck on the first gym
Are you joking? I started playing Red again recently with Bulbasaur and beat the 1st Gym the first time. Grass Pokemon are super effective against rock type and also strictly speaking Bulbasaur is half grass half poison anyway.

[Kelster23]

Are you joking? I started playing Red again recently with Bulbasaur and beat the 1st Gym the first time. Grass Pokemon are super effective against rock type and also strictly speaking Bulbasaur is half grass half poison anyway.

Yeah he's really good on the second Gym too.

[Shadowmoon]

I did that when i was 8 so i probably didn't train it well enough.

But i still think grass types are weak....

And metal alex Mudkip is a starter pokemon....

In case none of you knew i haven't played the game for 2 years. I lost my GBA two years ago and i haven't been able to play it since.

[Kelster23]

I did that when i was 8 so i probably didn't train it well enough.

But i still think grass types are weak....

And metal alex Mudkip is a starter pokemon....

In case none of you knew i haven't played the game for 2 years. I lost my GBA two years ago and i haven't been able to play it since.

I haven't played Red/Blue/Yellow for about 5, and I sill remember most of the gym's elements.

[Plasma]

IIRC, all the games are set up so that the starter pokemon who're best at the start are the worst at the end, and the worst at the start are the best at the end.

[Shadowmoon]

I haven't got a very good memory.

[Alien King]

IIRC, all the games are set up so that the starter pokemon who're best at the start are the worst at the end, and the worst at the start are the best at the end.

The three starting pokemon generally have good stats all the way through.
In the first generation, the capturable pokemon at the start of the game had pathetic stats, whereas the ones found towards the end of the game (namely Psychic pokemon) had excellent stats.

[robowurmz]

I put no grass type pokemon because i don't like them.

Also the word i was going to say is weak. I chose him on blue once and got stuck on the first gym.

Also my fave starters from each games... first generation is charmander for the next is Cyndaquil, 3rd is Mudkip, and finally chimchar. They don't make it into my favourites though.

fine bulbasaur can be one coz super_frea demanded it......

Obviously your training technique was off.

That's the thing! The old one had a LEARNING CURVE. The new ones hold your hand all the way through and make sure you don't make crappy training mistakes.

[Shadowmoon]

I usually focus on my starters and legendaries. it is pretty hard to raise pokemon imo which is why i do that. I had to cheat in the end and get infinite rare candys.
I had to cheat to get Shaymin, Darkrai and Arceus too. The only other way you could get them was to go to japan or trade.

With the other pokemon i left them at the Day care centre. But when i got an AR cheat cartridge i stopped.

[Metal Alex]

I had a Charizard, Golem, Mewtwo, Electabuzz, Hypno, and Dragonite as my team. I even remember their nicknames... The only legendary I had was Mewtwo because I liked the DNA thing. There's no need for legendaries to have a working team.

[Plasma]

Of course, if you want a best-of-the-best team, there are better pokemon for that than legendaries. Like Doduos. I could kick nearly anyone's ass with a team of Lv5 Doduos.

[Squirminator2k]

Not if the other player had a bunch of high-level Pokemon, you couldn't.

[Plasma]

Not if the other player had a bunch of high-level Pokemon, you couldn't.
Mmmmnope, I'm pretty sure I could. In fact, I'd have more trouble fighting a low-level one than a high-level one.

All entirely done just using Red Sashes, Quick Attacks and Endeavours.

[Kelster23]

Mmmmnope, I'm pretty sure I could. In fact, I'd have more trouble fighting a low-level one than a high-level one.

All entirely done just using Red Sashes, Quick Attacks and Endeavours.

Question: Does the Red Sash help protect against one-hit KO attacks such as Guillotine?

[Shadowmoon]

I could kick nearly anyone's ass with a team of Lv5 Doduos.

No, i'm afraid you couldn't.

I've tried endeavour on a level 100 pokemon, and the pokemon i was using was at level 5. When i used endeavour it took off about.... 5 hp?

Also the 6 pokemon i had in my party were all lvl 100's, and they were Tyranitar, Dragonite, Mew, Deoxys, Giratina and Rayquaza.

Most of the legendaries can help you in the league, though.

[Plasma]

Question: Does the Red Sash help protect against one-hit KO attacks such as Guillotine?
The Red Sash ONLY protects against an attack that would normally kill it in one go! Which is why it has to be a really low-level pokemon, as just about every move will normally KO it when fighting a regular party.

Edit: Whoops, my bad. It's called the Focus Sash, not the Red Sash.
I've tried endeavour on a level 100 pokemon, and the pokemon i was using was at level 5. When i used endeavour it took off about.... 5 hp?
Methinks you weren't using it right.

[Shadowmoon]

Oh! i meant quick attack! endeavour can kill off a level 100 pokemon, though.

[Kelster23]

Too bad you couldn't teach Magikarp Quick Attack and Endeavor, that would be priceless to whoop other people's butts with a team of lvl 5 Magikarps..

[Shadowmoon]

Too bad you couldn't teach Magikarp Quick Attack and Endeavor, that would be priceless to whoop other people's butts with a team of lvl 5 Magikarps..

Yes, you can but not officially. You have to use a cheat that allows you to teach your pokemon any TM. (In diamond and pearl)

[Kelster23]

What Pokemon are you?
I got Mewtwo :D
http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/mewtwo.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

[Alien King]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/tyranitar.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

I have no idea what generation he comes from, or even what the hell it's supposed to be. But hey, I wasn't even sure on my answers.



Edit: Upon a retake and after carefully thinking through my answers using the rather limited choice set, I get a probably more accurate result

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/alakazam.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

And at least I know what this one is.

[Plasma]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/pikachu.gif
The second and third sentences are true, but the first is way off!
Also, people generally do like me instantly, but that attraction generally goes away pretty fast once they learn that those hilarious things about me aren't jokes...
Also, I feel slightly ashamed at being represented by a Pikachu.

Tyranitar is a second-generation pokemon. It's essentially a brute-force over strategic-attacks pokemon.

[Splapp]

WHYYYYYY

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/pikachu.gif

EDIT: Oh, snap Plasma

[Plasma]

One of us... One of us...

[Metal Alex]

I apparently got a Primeape. Angry and that D:

[Pigbuster]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/togetic.gif

I'd say that sounds about right.

[Kelster23]

Pokemon Sprite av's of these results should be the next fad. :cool:

[ShadowLord]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/ninetales.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

Okay.

[Plasma]

Upon a retake and after carefully thinking through my answers using the rather limited choice set, I get a probably more accurate result.
I did that too:

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/slowpoke.gif

This test hates me, really!
Also, the Pikachu one was more accurate.

[Shadowmoon]

Tadaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/pikachu.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

The 1st sentence is way untrue, the other sentences are right.

[super_frea]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/slowking.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)
Hmmm that's actually pretty damn accurate. (Big head? :p)

[Shadowmoon]

The pokemon fad is starting.

I chose Luxio.

[super_frea]

I chose Luxio.
Er no you didn't

Also I can't work out how to make this effing avatar transparent. I'm on a mac so can someone do it for me? :p

[Plasma]

31482
I hope this is okay...

[poninja]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/togetic.gif

I'd say that sounds about right.

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/togetic.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

i got that one too

[super_frea]

31482
I hope this is okay...
Woot!
Thanks man

I'm just looking through all my old Pokemon cards whilst attempting to tidy my room.
My auntie is Japanese so I managed to get all the new Pokemon before anyone else. Unfortunatly the new ones were all in Japanese. My shinys consisted of Mr. Mime, Electrode Venomoth, Alakazam, Hitmonchan, Ninetales, Machamp, Vileplume, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Mew (probably fake), Elektabuzz, Clefable, Slowking, Steelix, Muk, Jolteon and my pride and joy, Charizard :cool:

Oh and GENGAR! I used to love Gengar, he was my favourite next to Bulbasaur.

[Plasma]

I've still got all my old Pokemon cards sorted away too, actually. I haven't played in years though.

[tal05]

I've still got all my old Pokemon cards sorted away too, actually. I haven't played in years though.

Me too! :)
Just waiting until theyre classed as anitque :-/

[Shadowmoon]

Er no you didn't

Also I can't work out how to make this effing avatar transparent. I'm on a mac so can someone do it for me? :p

It was a last minute swapperooo.

I had to come of the PC.

I did have luxio, but i quickly changed my mind and swapped it to mudkip.XD

[Kelster23]

I still have my Egyptian or whatever Mew card.

[super_frea]

Ancient Mew? I had him. I should still have him somewhere.

I tried the test again as others did because there are many answers I didn't answer particularly truthfully. So I did and I got Mew! I'm happy about that but i'm not sure why

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/mew.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

[shadowman]

The poke'mon card? I got one of those from a movie.

Also, avatar bandwagon.

EDIT
http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/charizard.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

I can say it's right on the ball. I'm pretty spontaneous.

[Shadowmoon]

Well, i don't collect the cards.

[tal05]

Well, i don't collect the cards.

Oh wooow! Shadowmoon is sooo coooool!

and if you read the posts correctly you would have noticed that most people just have them lying around therefore they don't collect them anymore!

[Shadowmoon]

I was just saying, it didn't need a reply like that.

And everyone in this world is cool.:cool:

[tal05]

yeah with a few exceptions

[Shadowmoon]

yeah with a few exceptions

Which includes you?

J/k

[Kelster23]

I'm gonna see if I can find old booster packs and such around town. Only go up to Johto cards!

[*Splinter*]

What the F*CK is a... 'Teddiursa'?? Apart from horribly innacurate of course :p

"You're nice, friendly and do your best to please everyone to whatever extent you can manage. Thanks to your lack of self-confidence, you tend to react to uncomfortable situations with sudden panic"

I lol'd

EDIT: Nuts to all of you, I AM the Slowking... :p

[Kelster23]

Tediursa was from Johto.

[Shadowmoon]

And evolves into Ursaring.

[*Splinter*]

You mistook me for someone who cares

"friendly", lol

[yakuza]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/weavile.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

I don't really know what I'm doing in this thread.

[Plasma]

What the F*CK is a... 'Teddiursa'??
A walking teddy bear.

Well, that's you all right! :p

[Shadowmoon]

Gengar is awesome!

*switches avatar*

[*Splinter*]

A walking teddy bear.

Well, that's you all right! :p

I honestly dont know where I went wrong with my answers :p

[Metal Alex]

I honestly dont know where I went wrong with my answers :p

Maybe you ARE a giant teddy bear on the other side of the computer... D:

[yauhui]

Uhhh....

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/dragonite.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

[Plasma]

Maybe you ARE a giant teddy bear on the other side of the computer... D:
Giant? Oh no, he's just a regular walking teddy bear.

[Akuryou13]

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/mew.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

not sure why I'm posting here, but it's less a spam pit than I figured, so what the hell :p

Mew isn't what I would've picked, but the personality given sounds about right, so i'll go with it.

[Plasma]

Aku,
That is the exact opposite of you!

[tal05]

or thats what he wants us to think :eek:

[*Splinter*]

Aku,
That is the exact opposite of you!
Sounded reasonable to me, given the very little we know about Aku over this forum

[Akuryou13]

Aku,
That is the exact opposite of you!then you obviously have no idea what I'm really like.

[super_frea]

Ok I'm going to bring up Digimon and see what everyone thinks about that :cool:

[*Splinter*]

Its basically pokemon, the only difference being... uh...

everything has 'mon' on the end?

[Shadowmoon]

Ok I'm going to bring up Digimon and see what everyone thinks about that :cool:

Digimon......

Absolute ****, boring, a copycat franchise and childish.

I think i've made my point.

[super_frea]

Digimon......

Absolute ****, boring, a copycat franchise and childish.

I think i've made my point.

Wait so it's a copycat franchise and it's childish? Surely that would make Pokemon childish too?

[Metal Alex]

oof, Digimon. It's the most sad excuse to try to make a Pokemon look-a-like, and get benefits... Inserting cheesy storylines, and and making "the last Pokemon generation style" since the beggining...

It was a freaking TAMAGOTCHI.

A TAMAGOTCHI.

THAT'S ALL.

[Shadowmoon]

Pokemon is childish, but it still is fun for the majority.

[Pigbuster]

Ok I'm going to bring up Digimon and see what everyone thinks about that :cool:

Digimon is ****ing awesome. :cool:

Digimon......

Absolute ****, boring, a copycat franchise and childish.

I think i've made my point.

It's not ****, it's not boring, it's not a copycat franchise (it has almost nothing in common with Pokémon), and it's not childish (characters actually DIE, and the third season has an antagonist that's a giant virus that wants to kill everything).

I mean, I don't have a problem with people not liking Digimon, but you should at least have a decent reason for not liking it.

oof, Digimon. It's the most sad excuse to try to make a Pokemon look-a-like, and get benefits...
Again, there's nothing in common with Pokémon apart from how there's a bunch of creatures.
I mean, even if it was intended to cash in on the Pokémon craze, it doesn't matter since the end product is so different.

Inserting cheesy storylines
Well, yeah, they're kinda cheesy, but it's a kids show. Cheesy plotlines come with the territory.
At least Digimon didn't insult my intelligence.

[Shadowmoon]

people i was joking.

The TV show is good, but i think its ended now because i haven't seen it on TV for a while.... as for the games..... i've never played them.....

[Plasma]

Absolute ****, boring, a copycat franchise and childish.
Inserting cheesy storylines, and and making "the last Pokemon generation style" since the beggining...
I second these opinions.

characters actually DIE, and the third season has an antagonist that's a giant virus that wants to kill everything
Ash died. That doesn't make it any less childish though.

At least Digimon didn't insult my intelligence.
What show were you watching?

[Pigbuster]

people i was joking.

The TV show is good, but i think its ended now because i haven't seen it on TV for a while.... as for the games..... i've never played them.....

Um...
MIGHT wanna work on your sarcasm, there.

PRO-TIP: A :rolleyes: or :p are good for showing that you aren't entirely serious.

[super_frea]

You have no idea how much this brings back my childhood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll26lKgHbcc


And good lord that was a good theme tune :cool:

Chaaaaange into digital champions toooo save the digital WORLD!

It was a rip off though. But I honestly don't care it was still good in my opinion. Maybe because I liked pokemon so much as a child.

But at least Digimon knew when to end!

[Metal Alex]

I mean, I don't have a problem with people not liking Digimon, but you should at least have a decent reason for not liking it.

Well, to begin with, the first word that came on my mind was "ripoff". I mean, creatures that (digi) evolve by fighting, have mon at the end of each name, and depend on a human to survive god-knows-why... I mean, thinking about it, the humans didn't even need to be there. Until I saw some SUPER COOL FUSION WITH HUMANS...

Don't get me wrong, people can like it, but I see it as an unoriginal idea, made to sell, that lacked quite a lot of common sense.

It's just... not my kind of thing :-/

EDIT: Now that I think, maybe it arrrived to Spain a bit later :p can't remember

[Plasma]

EDIT: Now that I think, maybe it arrrived to Spain a bit later :p can't remember
It started being aired two years after the Pokemon anime was.

[Shadowmoon]

Its not a **** series, and i did like the TV show, but honestly, i feel they looked at pokemon and thought: we'll copy them!

Its not better than pokemon, and it is a copycat franchise which was imo, intended to be similiar. Its not great, or excellent, its just good.

Its popular, but its only popular for ripping off other peoples ideas.

[Pigbuster]

Ash died. That doesn't make it any less childish though.

What, you mean in the movie when he turned into stone and was immediately brought back to life by Pikachu tears?
I mean die for good.


Also, I'm going to stop arguing since I'd rather not get this thread locked. :p

[Kelster23]

Actually, I do believe Digimon was vastly different from Pokemon in the fact that you could only have one, perhaps?
And it's not like they fought for fun. :P

[*Splinter*]

he turned into stone and was immediately brought back to life by Pikachu tears

I had no idea Pokémon was so hilarious :p

[super_frea]

I had no idea Pokémon was so hilarious :p
I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Metal Alex]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Some Nintendo thing invited me to the pre-release... I got out with a new face. An awful face.

They invited me to the next movie. I gave the passes away. Or tried, I can't remember if I ended breaking them...

It was horrible :p

And that's making me wanting not to post in this thread again D:

[Plasma]

The movie made more sense once you watch the 'baby Mewtwo' scene 4Kids removed. Where Mewtwo's anger and hatred of humanity stems from all his friends dieing on him.
But that's about all that would've made sense. The movie generally aimed for the "rule of cool", and focused more on looking awesome than having a story that made sense.
At least the later Pokemon movies generally didn't do that. Especially the second Mewtwo movie, which had a much more down-to-earth plot of Team Rocket simply trying to catch him and take over his sanctuary.

[Squirminator2k]

You should see the original Japanese versions of the films. When 4Kids translate it into English they have to add, y'know, a story. The Japanese animation team aim for the Rule of Cool far more than we do.

[Shadowmoon]

Pokemon, i feel is about 4 things.....

1. happiness
2. love
3. friendship
4. courage

I cried at the ash dying bit.

[Plasma]

Pokemon, i feel is about 4 things.....

1. happiness
2. love
3. friendship
4. courage
I'll certianly give it that though, the show did have actual morals in it. Too many cartoons just have fighting, fighting and more fighting, with pure strength and occasionally good planning being the only thing that improves or succeeds in the show (Especially DragonballZ). If you're lucky, they might tack on an Aesop at the end that's slightly related to a moral thing that happened in the show.

[Metal Alex]

The movie made more sense once you watch the 'baby Mewtwo' scene 4Kids removed.

I have to agree. That part was quite... deep.

You should see the original Japanese versions of the films. When 4Kids translate it into English they have to add, y'know, a story. The Japanese animation team aim for the Rule of Cool far more than we do.

Yeah, the fun thing is that the spanish ones are translated from those :p

I'll certianly give it that though, the show did have actual morals in it. Too many cartoons just have fighting, fighting and more fighting, with pure strength and occasionally good planning being the only thing that improves or succeeds in the show (Especially DragonballZ). If you're lucky, they might tack on an Aesop at the end that's slightly related to a moral thing that happened in the show.

Actually, the Ash dying thing was like WTF!? I mean, he's a pokemon trainer, he uses pokemon to FIGHT, but he only changes his mind on the PERFECT moment to teach a fantastic lesson. Then, dying, and making everyone feel bad. And of course, resurecting.

Morals to teach there: good.

Way to teach it: fail.

[Shadowmoon]

I think having morals and having sad and happy bits in is good. A show where its just pure fighting and no morals, i'd say is boring.

Which is what is different about pokemon. Its not like spiderman, or any other fighting show, its not just about: I will suceed and become a pokemon master. It actually teaches a lot.

2 episodes taught people how to have seizures, which wasn't to good......

[Squirminator2k]

2 episodes taught people how to have seizures, which wasn't to good......

A harsh lesson, to be sure.

[MtlAngelus]

The pokemon tv series is awful. It's completely retarded, and manages to be even more repetitive than dragon ball z. I mean it's always like: Stuff stuff TEAM ROCKET Stuff TEAM ROCKET IS DEFEATED AND FLIES AWAY TROUGH THE SKY morals *gay song*.

[shadowman]

I cried at the ash dying bit.

Nobody noticed this part?

Seriously? That quote made my day,

[Kelster23]

The pokemon tv series is awful. It's completely retarded, and manages to be even more repetitive than dragon ball z. I mean it's always like: Stuff stuff TEAM ROCKET Stuff TEAM ROCKET IS DEFEATED AND FLIES AWAY TROUGH THE SKY morals *gay song*.
I think Jessie and James and Meowth were the best part.
"TEAM ROCKET'S BLASTING OFF AGAIN!!!!" *ding*

Nobody noticed this part?

Seriously? That quote made my day,

I did.
I think Ash should have stayed dead. That would make my day. :cool:

[Shadowmoon]

I was 8.

I do have about 13 pokemon videos, from my american cousin.

It is getting a bit repetitive tho, the TV show should have ended ages ago, after the series that was about the second generation. However the new Diamond and Pearl series started in february in the UK.

I was 8 when i cried when ash died, tho.

[yakuza]

I used to watch Pokemon when it first came out, I had played the ROMs years before it came out for the gameboy here in Spain, and it was a great innovative game. They weren't bad, up to the first gym fight (Raichu possibly?), it was pretty matureish for its standards, there was fighting and there was drama. But then it just kept becoming gayer and gayer. First season btw, no idea what came after that.

About Digimon, I don't know. I remember my little brother watching it on Nickelodeon and I recall watching the movie. It was more of an Anime. Pokemon is more of a Disney Channel crap.

[yauhui]

I hate most Disney Channel production movies - most notably High School Musical and its sequel.

On-topic (I guess... :p) : Digimon is much better than pokemon. It even has a mini gaming console (like the mini tamagotchis)!

:D

[*Splinter*]

I hate most Disney Channel production movies - most notably High School Musical and its sequel.

On-topic (I guess... :p) : Digimon is much better than pokemon. It even has a mini gaming console (like the mini tamagotchis)!

:D

*Dies of pure, unbridled, in-no-way-sarcastic, joy*

[Metal Alex]

It even has a mini gaming console (like the mini tamagotchis)!

:D

Actually, I'm quite certain those came first... The series was to sell those better.

[yakuza]

Actually, I'm quite certain those came first... The series was to sell those better.

Yup. I had one of those about 10 years ago. You could fit them into other's and they would fight and evolve. I'm under the impression those came out before the Pokemon franchise, but I've found no conclusive evidence.
The cartoons, like most franchise cartoons were obviously used to sell the toys.

[Shadowmoon]

Digimon is in NO WAY better than pokemon.

[*Splinter*]

Digimon is in NO WAY better than pokemon.

YEAH B*TCHES :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[*Splinter*]

:rolleyes:

[Plasma]

I'm under the impression those came out before the Pokemon franchise, but I've found no conclusive evidence.
They were released on June 26, 1997, about two months after the Pokemon Anime started, let alone the franchise.

[super_frea]

Digimon is in NO WAY better than pokemon.

The Digimon anime was much better than Pokemon anime. I'm still able to watch it now and not want to kill myself. I watched both as a child and I tried to watch a Pokemon movie the other day (I have no idea which one don't bother asking) but I find Pokemon pretty much unwatchable now.

But also Pokemon games are far better than that of Digimon. I prefer Pokemon on the whole but the anime sucks major balls in comparison to Digimon.

[Shadowmoon]

I meant the whole franchise, is better than digimon.

Not just the TV show.

[super_frea]

Yes I know...

I can kind of tell in the way you said "Digimon is in NO WAY better than Pokemon". The use of the words "NO WAY" kind of gave that away.

[Metal Alex]

The Digimon anime was much better than Pokemon anime. I'm still able to watch it now and not want to kill myself. I watched both as a child and I tried to watch a Pokemon movie the other day (I have no idea which one don't bother asking) but I find Pokemon pretty much unwatchable now.

But also Pokemon games are far better than that of Digimon. I prefer Pokemon on the whole but the anime sucks major balls in comparison to Digimon.

I actually agree here, so you can imagine the idea I had of the pokemon series...

[Akuryou13]

MONSTER RANCHER FTW! :p

yeah digimon anime is about 50x better but those games are about as aweful as the pokemon show was, so it evens out. :p

[Kelster23]

I found the first Digimon Battle Spirit to be pretty fun, I don't know why.
And Digimon was good up until the 3rd season.
The 4th one just reeked.

[Squirminator2k]

On Tuesday, I placed an order for Pokemon Pearl on the DS.

http://robertfulghum.com/images/WhatOnEarthHaveIDoneFullSize.gif

[Kelster23]

I really wish I could play Yellow on my DS...

[Plasma]

Umm... why? It's just about the same as Pokemon Red or Blue, only with a bit of colour and a Pikachu that follows you around.

Also, didn't you have three GBAs or something?

[Oft99]

Every time I take that personality test (which is many times) I always get either
http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/gardevoir.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)
or
http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/misdreavus.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

...both of which are comepletely off the mark.

And the Digimon anime I agree was so much better in many ways than the Pokemon one, but I still don't like the franchise and see it as just a cash-in on the popularity of Pokemon.

[Squirminator2k]

Is there a "What classic Pokemon are you?" test out there? Y'know, one which gives answers which are Pokemon that don't suck?

[Oft99]

Some of the newer pokemon dont suck, I mean, that's only a tiny percentage though, and i also agree that most of the ones involved in the personality test suck.

...And I should just say that for someone wanting to get a good good idea about RPGs, Pokemon is just one of them that everyone simply MUST play because it's great and there's no other RPG out there quite like it that does what Pokemon can do so well. The only problem is...once you've bought, played and enjoyed one iteration of the Pokemon series, be it Blue/red, Gold/silver, Diamon/pearl, whatever...you need never buy another one ever again. For many reasons, but mostly because THEY'RE ALL THE DAMN SAME.
It's a shame too, but I must say and emphasize that anyone who even slightly likes RPGs simply must buy and play a Pokemon game at least once in their life. (preferably just once, though ;))

[Kelster23]

Lucario is among the ones that DO suck.

[robowurmz]

Funnily enough, it's fairly accurate, except the last bit. I take relationships seriously.
http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/mew.gif (http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx)

[Plasma]

Lucario is among the ones that DO suck.
You're just saying that because it replaced Mewtwo in the Super Smash Bros series.

[super_frea]

He does suck in comparison to Mewtwo though.

[Akuryou13]

He does suck in comparison to Mewtwo though.I somewhat agree there. his design isn't AS bad as many of the others and he probably wouldn't be that aweful if it wasn't for all the rest of the ones he was introduced with...

[Oft99]

I somewhat agree there. his design isn't AS bad as many of the others and he probably wouldn't be that aweful if it wasn't for all the rest of the ones he was introduced with...

That's exactly what I mean with some of the other new Poke's.

[Alien King]

Is there a "What classic Pokemon are you?" test out there? Y'know, one which gives answers which are Pokemon that don't suck?

Well, at least if you get Misdreavus you're only one or two answers away from Haunter.

http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/haunter.gif

As for the others, well I don't know.

Note: I didn't draw haunter when I took the test, I was just trying out pokemon names in the image URLs


You're just saying that because it replaced Mewtwo in the Super Smash Bros series.

That's because Mewtwo was brilliant.
No matter how clumsly he was to handle or how easily he was knocked off the stage, he was still awsome to use.

Although I suspect Lucario will basically be the same, he just cannot compare to Mewtwo.
Besides, Mewtwo is much more sinister looking.

[Metal Alex]

That's because Mewtwo was brilliant.
No matter how clumsly he was to handle or how easily he was knocked off the stage, he was still awsome to use.

Although I suspect Lucario will basically be the same, he just cannot compare to Mewtwo.
Besides, Mewtwo is much more sinister looking.

And he held the items with his mind. How cool is that?

[Alien King]

And he held the items with his mind. How cool is that?

Not just that, he threw other players off the stage with his mind.

[Kelster23]

I actually found him to be my best character.
And Mewtwo could beat Lucario anyday due to the fact Lucario is that of a fighting/steel type. Psychic wins over Fighting :P