Noobs! what is wrong with them?

[Shadowmoon]

Noobs seem to be treated badly in some forums. In one forum i go on there is a thread called noobs suck! and on WA, if you do something wrong you get called a noob! i mean online.

What is so wrong about noobs that they have to be treated nastily? discuss here.

[Plasma]

Well, to put it softly... most people aren't very nice.

To put it frankly, however:
"Lady, people aren't chocolates. Do you know what they are mostly? Ba****ds. Ba****d-coated ba****s with ba****d filling." --Dr. Cox, Scrubs

[super_frea]

Because people get good at a game and then get exceedingly cocky and laugh at people who are relatively new to the game in order to make themselves feel better for spending every minute of everyday on their computer (CS:S anyone?).

[franpa]

Because noobs tend to be people who either ignore 'stickies', 'announcements', 'large bold highlighted messages' and many other idiotic things. Take the forums for the SNES emulator ZSNES as an example. there is at least 1 person a month who will spell the emulator ZNES (which does not exist) and as such the forum admins have implemented a filter to call the user dumb when they make said typo.

You may think that was a bad decision for the forum admin, but keep in mind that the name of the emulator is in large writing on a picture in the top left of every forum page and is also mentioned many times on the ZSNES website..

[Shadowmoon]

yup, but when its someones first time on a forum, they need to understand more..... at least, thats what i think.....

[Metal Alex]

If the new people doesn't want to understand the forum, I think they don't deserve a chance.

[thomasp]

If all new members would just watch this video (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting) before going near an internet forum, it'd make life a whole lot easier for all concerned.


The trouble is that new members often refuse to find out what the specific rules of the forum are and then whinge when they get told off for breaking them, and often then go out on a vendetta-like posting spree to reinforce their point that they're not mature enough to be let loose on The Internet™. And said new members, who are often quite young don't seem to like to be told by the older more mature members the correct "netiquette" for posting on internet forums and thus end up hating those older members forever and getting new members a bad reputation.

[Plasma]

Oh right. Sorry, my previous post was for the people that just complain about newbies without giving them a chance. A Noob is someone who refuses to learn how to act, regardless of how new he is.

[yakuza]

A Noob is someone who refuses to learn how to act, regardless of how new he is.

Source?
I always thought one could be willing to learn and still be a Noob.

[Muzer]

Our forum has pretty specific terminology when it comes to newbies, newbs and noobs, which AFAIK is pretty unique.

newbie or newb - new person who is willing to learn
noob - new person who stubbornly refuses to learn

[Metal Alex]

Source?
I always thought one could be willing to learn and still be a Noob.

It's a term nowhere to be found in any dictionary. There are no descriptions on it. If a newbie (What I think you meant) starts posting, and tries to adapt to the forum, it's just a new person. If it's an annoying guy that takes the nerves out of everyone, because he thinks he's always right even if people prove otherwise, or he makes useless stuff just for the sake of it, for example, should be called noob.

Don't ask for sources, there aren't.

[GrimOswald]

I always considered a "noob" to be someone who acts like a newbie, but is not one. New that is, to the game, forum, internet or whatever. Breaking rules even though he knows them, not observing previously mentioned "netiquette," that sort of thing (Or refusing to learn rules altogether for that matter). Such things can be forgiven in a newbie. After all, we were all one once. But we were definitely not all noobs.

[yakuza]

It's a term nowhere to be found in any dictionary. There are no descriptions on it. If a newbie (What I think you meant) starts posting, and tries to adapt to the forum, it's just a new person. If it's an annoying guy that takes the nerves out of everyone, because he thinks he's always right even if people prove otherwise, or he makes useless stuff just for the sake of it, for example, should be called noob.

Don't ask for sources, there aren't.

I asked for a source to prove a point. You're wrong. That's the point.

Newbie has a meaning older than the internet. And Noob is just a derivation of the word. If some people use it as an insult that's fine, if you have your own private meaning of the word, that's also fine but you should state so.

[Muzer]

Are you ignoring my post? Just ask most reasonably old people of this forum, they'll tell you what noob and newb mean on this forum.

[Muzer]

In fact, here are two sources of people of this forum saying that:

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23350&highlight=noob+newb
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=292882&postcount=9

And that was within 2 minutes of searching

EDIT: And a third one:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=293141&postcount=3118

[Metal Alex]

I asked for a source to prove a point. You're wrong. That's the point.

Thought you were asking for something to prove him right, instead of where he got it. My bad there.

Anyways, there's no line for slang words. People get the idea of the word, and it's not the exact thing for everyone. That's what I meant.

[yakuza]

In fact, here are two sources of people of this forum saying that:

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23350&highlight=noob+newb
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=292882&postcount=9

And that was within 2 minutes of searching

EDIT: And a third one:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=293141&postcount=3118

I am indeed ignoring your insight seeing as it's irrelevant. Read the first post on this thread. And then read the post I was replying to.
And then ask yourself if the way people on this forum choose to use the term has anything to do with it.

[franpa]

Yes a noob is someone who will refuse to go out of there way to read a manual before posting because asking a question is about 10 seconds quicker >.>

all it does is **** everyone off because why else would the manual/documentation be made?.

[Shadowmoon]

I used to act like a big noob. Remember when i posted that ideas for worms thread, and i got people to focus on my weapon ideas? man, i look back at that thread and think what the ****?

[MrBunsy]

I asked for a source to prove a point. You're wrong. That's the point.
Do you deliberately intend to sound so... irritating?

A quick google search reveals that 'noob vs newb' isn't entirely unique to T17land. Which makes some sense.

[thomasp]

I am indeed ignoring your insight seeing as it's irrelevant. Read the first post on this thread. And then read the post I was replying to.
And then ask yourself if the way people on this forum choose to use the term has anything to do with it.
Each forum will have its own cultures and linguistics though, so I can't see why you're getting so wound up about people proving their points are correct on this forum.

[yakuza]

Do you deliberately intend to sound so... irritating?




I don't, seriously. Perhaps it's the language barrier. If it bothers you that much please try to be more open minded.

Thomasp, I don't have anything to say about how terms are used here, but I responded to someone who didn't specify he was talking exclusively about this forum, so I don't see why everyone is questioning my post when it's something so simple.

[Muzer]

Oh, a bit offtopic, but Fwd. Adm.'s av is still stuck at invincible.

Most. Ironic. Av. Ever.

[MrBunsy]

I don't, seriously. Perhaps it's the language barrier. If it bothers you that much please try to be more open minded.In that case I apologise. I had often assumed your posts were deliberately provocative. If you're not it would really help if you don't try to prove/disprove points so, well, forcibly; it rather gives off the wrong impression.

[Metal Alex]

In that case I apologise. I had often assumed your posts were deliberately provocative. If you're not it would really help if you don't try to prove/disprove points so, well, forcibly; it rather gives off the wrong impression.

I second that, actually. (apology included)

[Muzer]

Thirded .

[farazparsa]

I see the problem as just a bad flow. I mean if most people on the forum welcomed the newcomers, then the rest would just follow in their footsteps.

[Kelster23]

A newb like the said brings the title N00b onto themselves.

[bonz]

yup, but when its someones first time on a forum, they need to understand more..... at least, thats what i think.....
Well, that's why I have been lurking in and observing the T17 forum without posting anything for 1.5 years prior to joining it.

That way I accommodated to the insanity and effectively skipped the "noob phase".
More or less.
Thanks to Squirminator2k I could cast off the bad habit of missing capitalisation in 2005.

[Oft99]

Well, that's why I have been lurking in and observing the T17 forum without posting anything for 1.5 years prior to joining it.

That way I accommodated to the insanity and effectively skipped the "noob phase".
More or less.
Thanks to Squirminator2k I could cast off the bad habit of missing capitalisation in 2005.

It's kind of annoying too because I spent 2-3 years just reading the forum and trying to learn the sway of things but I was still an absolute dickhead when I made my first post.
I guess at that time I was just imature and not good at picking up hints.

[pilot62]

It's kind of annoying too because I spent 2-3 years just reading the forum and trying to learn the sway of things but I was still an absolute dickhead when I made my first post.
I guess at that time I was just imature and not good at picking up hints.

Same here, I spent a good half a year just lurking (although less than you and bonz) before I started posting. You would never have guessed.

[Akuryou13]

I see the problem as just a bad flow. I mean if most people on the forum welcomed the newcomers, then the rest would just follow in their footsteps.that works in the majority of situations, yes, but there are some people who are either too immature or just arrogant jerks who just act like they already know everything regardless of how you treat them. we've had our fair share on this forum and they normally don't start off being flamed. some people just don't want to be accepted, or are just too arrogant to realize just how horrible a poster they really are. Fwd. Adm. was a famous example of this. no matter how everyone tried he was just a belligerent idiot.

around here we tend to accept new people to the community pretty well. the intelligence present in their posts to begin with affect how we treat them to start off with and then later on it's affected by how they continue to act on a day-by-day basis. look at .Jet for example of this. he was widely accepted as a competent member of the forum as >DoomWorm<, but then his account got screwed up and he made the new account. when he returned he acted the same as he had before and recieved treatment based on that level of maturity rather than on when he registered the account. no one knew who he was until much later.

despite what many feel, we are a pretty accepting community here. even immature people can grow to fit in so long as they realize their faults and try to fix them. the ones who complain about it are typically those who cause the problems. note how EP_Guy is being watched for posting habits in the thread linked to earlier.

[Kelster23]

I had to lose my internet for a year or so until I learned to smarten up :P

[FutureWorm]

Noobs seem to be treated badly in some forums. In one forum i go on there is a thread called noobs suck! and on WA, if you do something wrong you get called a noob! i mean online.

What is so wrong about noobs that they have to be treated nastily? discuss here.
GO AWAY YOU ARE TERRIBLE

[Shadowmoon]

I had to lose my internet for a year or so until I learned to smarten up :P

A year? must have been bad then.

Also Aku on page 39 of s2k's rule book it says: no immature people.

Futureworm you are awesome

[AndrewTaylor]

I would have thought that since "noob" is a pejorative term, a "noob" is by definition bad, without having to go into specifics. It's like asking "what's wrong with jerks?".

But noobs are nothing like as bad as people who actually use the term "noob" as if it were a real word.

[Plasma]

But noobs are nothing like as bad as people who actually use the term "noob" as if it were a real word.
Well it is, if you're counting slang words as real words.

[Akuryou13]

Well it is, if you're counting slang words as real words.I think he means people who use the term outside of discussions about the word. it's just not a word that has any real defined use at all and it only really used by people who like being condescending towards others.

A year? must have been bad then.not really. she was a bit annoying but it wasn't all that bad. it just takes a while to get used to a community. some people never do, some people fit in instantly. it's basically all determined by how well you, as a person, deal with people you don't know in a social environment. some people excel at this, others not so much.

[Plasma]

not really. she was a bit annoying but it wasn't all that bad. it just takes a while to get used to a community. some people never do, some people fit in instantly. it's basically all determined by how well you, as a person, deal with people you don't know in a social environment. some people excel at this, others not so much.
...but for her, it was just because she didn't have access to the internet at the time.

[Shadowmoon]

Well this is my first time on a forum......

And its also my first time talking to people i don't know.

[MrBunsy]

And its also my first time talking to people i don't know.How on earth did you cope at school, then? :confused:

[Shadowmoon]

How on earth did you cope at school, then? :confused:

You know what i mean.

[MrBunsy]

You know what i mean.

No, I really don't.

[Akuryou13]

You know what i mean.not at all....

if you can interact in school then you can interract here on the internet. being online does not make someone someone else.

[Shadowmoon]

No, I really don't.

Talking to people i don't know. Will most likely never see.

[super_frea]

Surely it's far easier to talk to people on the internet than it is face-to-face?

[Shadowmoon]

Surely it's far easier to talk to people on the internet than it is face-to-face?

Thats not the point. The point is is that this is my first time and sometimes i feel i'm talking to robots instead of humans=D

[Akuryou13]

Thats not the point. The point is is that this is my first time and sometimes i feel i'm talking to robots instead of humans=Dwell there's an easy way to fix that:

we're all human.

there. you now know better.


moving on...

[Plasma]

Except for Bonz, of course.

[Shadowmoon]

well there's an easy way to fix that:

we're all human.

there. you now know better.


moving on...

I know your all human i just think that sometimes....

[super_frea]

EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMNIATE!
c

[MrBunsy]

Talking to people i don't know. Will most likely never see.

How do you usually make new friends or meet new people?

[Shadowmoon]

How do you usually make new friends or meet new people?

I transfer my body organs to them.....

I talk to them, duh.

and meeting new people.....

My Mum has a lot of friends at her work and they have a loada kids....

Mostly its through a new school, Mum or dads friends, etc.

[MtlAngelus]

The day you stop trying to justify yourself and accepting your(quite numerous) flaws, you might actually start becoming a better person, Shadowmoon. In the meantime, we'll be happy to keep mocking you. :3

[Shadowmoon]

The day you stop trying to justify yourself and accepting your(quite numerous) flaws, you might actually start becoming a better person, Shadowmoon. In the meantime, we'll be happy to keep mocking you. :3

You and Squirminator are the only ones who do it.

[MtlAngelus]

You and Squirminator are the only ones who do it.
Really? I count more.

[Squirminator2k]

No we're not. We're just the only ones ballsy enough to do it to your face (or as close to your face as we can get given that this is the Internet).

[Shadowmoon]

No we're not. We're just the only ones ballsy enough to do it to your face (or as close to your face as we can get given that this is the Internet).

Your the only one who does annoy me.

The others don't bother me.

[Plasma]

Oh boy, here comes another Squirminator/Shadowman flame war.
Can I use a Red Line for those two here?

[Shadowmoon]

Oh boy, here comes another Squirminator/Shadowman flame war.
Can I use a Red Line for those two here?

Hey, were not the only ones.

*wonders when the next match between yakuza and plasma begins*

[Squirminator2k]

They're fun, aren't they?

[Shadowmoon]

They're fun, aren't they?

Yeah. There's nothing i'd rather do on a day that is 25 degrees, then argue with someone who lives in america, about things that have been discussed, and discussed and discussed.

[Squirminator2k]

So go outside, then! I'm not stopping you. Y'know, the fact that you even let yourself be bothered by what I'm saying is... well, doesn't that say something?

[Shadowmoon]

Woah.

what is a thread?

this is exactly why we hate assholes like you that ask **** questions. Go **** yourself.

an example of how bad noobs can be treated. (from another forum)

[Squirminator2k]

The obvious solution there is to not visit those forums. And also an example of why people who aren't familiar with forums should lurk for a while and learn the terminology before they just start... posting things.

[Shadowmoon]

Thank goodness that doesn't happen in these forums.

Thomasp: It may be good to put a link to that forum video in the rules thread.

But yeah, 2 forums i go on are mean to noobs. I don't really post on there, i just look.

They see noobs as irritating buggers that ask stupid questions.

But they are not.

[MtlAngelus]

Thank goodness that doesn't happen in these forums.

Thomasp: It may be good to put a link to that forum video in the rules thread.

But yeah, 2 forums i go on are mean to noobs. I don't really post on there, i just look.

They see noobs as irritating buggers that ask stupid questions.

But they are not.
Actually, they are. There's a difference between being new and being a noob. A new person, is just new to something. And as a normal, intelligent person, they will seek information themselves and try to learn before doing things. A noob is an idiot who thinks "tl;dr" and goes on and does stuff without knowing what the hell they are doing.

[MrBunsy]

Thank goodness that doesn't happen in these forums.

Thomasp: It may be good to put a link to that forum video in the rules thread.

But yeah, 2 forums i go on are mean to noobs. I don't really post on there, i just look.

They see noobs as irritating buggers that ask stupid questions.

But they are not.
Hint: that's called lurking.
Also "irritating buggers that ask stupid questions." is a pretty good definition of a noob in my books.

And anyway, if you've met new people then you must have experience of talking to someone you don't know, so this forum can't be the first time.

[Plasma]

*wonders when the next match between yakuza and plasma begins*
I'd consider that to be just a heated debate in that, aside from the odd insult on Yakuza's behalf, it's kept civil and there's a genuine debate involved. A flame war is when the insults far outnumber the number of different regular points made, such as what you two (and occasionally MtlA) are all too fond of doing.
And it'd be completely diverted if either of you (especially you, Shadowman) would actually try and make an effort.

[Squirminator2k]

Thomasp: It may be good to put a link to that forum video in the rules thread.

[You mean like this thread here? (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34723)]

[shadowman]

Oh boy, here comes another Squirminator/Shadowman flame war.
Can I use a Red Line for those two here?

Stop using my name.

It makes me feel useful. :p

[Shadowmoon]

[You mean like this thread here? (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34723)]

I meant the official rules thread but yeah it could go in that one.

[Squirminator2k]

It's already there. And that thread is stickied and is at least considered semi-official.

[AndrewTaylor]

I meant the official rules thread but yeah it could go in that one.

Should we just put it in every thread?

[SupSuper]

Maybe you should put it on the menu.

[Metal Alex]

Print them, glue them to your monitor, and if you were stupid enough to do so, you'll fortunately be unable to keep posting.

And you'll also know the rules everytime you use the computer :)

[*Splinter*]

Print them, glue them to your monitor, and if you were stupid enough to do so, you'll fortunately be unable to keep posting.

Are you suggesting not being able to see the monitor would make a difference to their posting? :rolleyes:


Btw shadowmoon if S2k calls you a girls name (closed thread) its probably more of a compliment: he says he is all sitcom characters so calling you a girls name makes you the Dorien to his Cox!

[Squirminator2k]

Briefly, yes - a couple of weeks ago I saw some real potential in Shadowmoan and the hope was he'd start to turn his act around. Amusingly, he's become more arrogant over the past two weeks. I've given up on him.

[yauhui]

You'll just have to be patient.

He's being drowned in a mixture of advice, constructive criticism, insults and spam. I think that he just cannot set his mind straight and focus on the useful posts directed at him - Shadowmoon is oddly trying to force people to stop bullying him and give him the chance when he can just focus on the go-for-the-better part.

However, you guys can help not by showering him with coarse words or negative posts. That will instead make him even worse.

This is just my opinion tho.

[Akuryou13]

You'll just have to be patient.

He's being drowned in a mixture of advice, constructive criticism, insults and spam. I think that he just cannot set his mind straight and focus on the useful posts directed at him - Shadowmoon is oddly trying to force people to stop bullying him and give him the chance when he can just focus on the go-for-the-better part.

However, you guys can help not by showering him with coarse words or negative posts. That will instead make him even worse.

This is just my opinion tho.we did. it didn't work. no reason to continue trying when he's not willing to change. we gave up.

[Shadowmoon]

Well, i'm trying. Keep that in mind.

[Akuryou13]

Well, i'm trying. Keep that in mind.not very hard. keep THAT in mind.

[Shadowmoon]

If your just going to get me down, i won't try at all.

And be patient, like yauhui said. If you expect me to change in a few days you must have rocks for brains.

EDIT: Oh, i get it, you want me to stop been wrong all the time and stop been stupid. I don't know when i'm been stupid.

So i'll just stop been arrogant and stuff. I can stop that. As for the been stupid part, re-read the 4th sentence until it sinks in.

I also don't know when i'm making a right or wrong post.

[Akuryou13]

If your just going to get me down, i won't try at all.

And be patient, like yauhui said. If you expect me to change in a few days you must have rocks for brains.

EDIT: Oh, i get it, you want me to stop been wrong all the time and stop been stupid. I don't know when i'm been stupid.

So i'll just stop been arrogant and stuff. I can stop that. As for the been stupid part, re-read the 4th sentence until it sinks in.

I also don't know when i'm making a right or wrong post.ah, progress. refreshing.

don't care whether or not you're stupid. stupid is funny. continue to be stupid and you continue to be a source of amusement to the rest of us, which I think we're all ok with. it's the refusal to accept when you've done something stupid and the yelling at others instead of just laughing at yourself. that's a huge part of the arrogance thing as well. you just gotta learn to not take yourself so seriously all the time. learn to laugh at yourself and you'll find it much easier to laugh at others. you'll also be able to deal with situations a lot more tactfully. this isn't to say you should put up with anyone's crap, just that you shouldn't take yourself so seriously.

as for being wrong all the time: you can't learn without being wrong first. being wrong is helpful if a bit embarassing in different situations. I believe we are all also fine with you being wrong, so long as you don't jump down our throats for pointing it out.

follow the advice given to you in the past and in the present and you'll be accepted much MUCH more around here and in any other community (online and off). I'll be waiting to see how this attempt turns out.

[*Splinter*]

Quick! Someone stop Aku! He's trying to 'fix' shadowmoon :eek:

[Akuryou13]

Quick! Someone stop Aku! He's trying to 'fix' shadowmoon :eek:don't worry, we'll always have you.

[shadowman]

I find it funny that he even brought this thread up to us.

It's not like he's got a happy go lucky relationship with this forum either.

[Shadowmoon]

Oh, so you want me to just stop been serious!

fine, then.

[Shadowmoon]

I don't mind what you think.

But i will try to stop been serious. Honest.

[Plasma]

Oh, so you want me to just stop been serious!
fine, then.
I don't mind what you think.
Well that went far...

[*Splinter*]

don't worry, we'll always have you.

Only as emergency backup, I really dont have the energy/will to replace shadowmoon long enough for the next noob to arrive.

[Shadowmoon]

Well that went far...

I didn't even overreact.

[shadowman]

But you reacted totally inappropriately.

[Shadowmoon]

But you reacted totally inappropriately.

I'm confused. Should i have said: Lol i can't believe i am a noob lol?

I don't think so.....

[Metal Alex]

Should i have said

In real life, when you say something, it's said. Trying to fix it, won't actually fix it most of the time. If you only care about what you SAID, you'll get nowhere. Care, if you DO care, about what you WILL say, and forget the past (But don't be ridiculous and forget wood burns again).

[Akuryou13]

In real life, when you say something, it's said. Trying to fix it, won't actually fix it most of the time. If you only care about what you SAID, you'll get nowhere. Care, if you DO care, about what you WILL say, and forget the past (But don't be ridiculous and forget wood burns again).I have no idea what you just said....

and for the record, shadowmoon; the correct response to yakuza's post would've been no response at all. some people will try to get under your skin as much as they possibly can. obviously this isn't something that you should just accept and laugh at, but at the same time it's not something you should take seriously either. the best way to deal with people like that is to just ignore them. if they continue, then do something about them.

in this instance, I'm fairly sure Yakuza was just trying to make a point, but in the future you will run into people who just want to troll.

[Metal Alex]

I have no idea what you just said....

I mean, he's always trying to correct himself for what he said, if anyone complains. All I say is... it makes little difference. My bad for writting it oddly :p