Environmental issues.

[yauhui]

Ever thought of saving the Earth?

Poll included.

[Shadowmoon]

Ever thought of saving the Earth?

Poll included.

I'd love to save the earth, but sadly one person isn't enough.

I voted yes.

[Plasma]

Ehh... not enough to donate to charity regularly. Yes, I know I could easily save several lives if I did, but... meh, I'm not religious.
Oh, for those of you interested in saving people but don't like donating, I'd reccomend checking out the UN's Free Rice (http://www.freerice.com/) system. It's a small thing, yes, but it saves lives nontheless.

Edit: Oh, wait, this is environment only! Oh, then not a bit. I won't pollute, but I won't try to prevent pollution either (picking up litter excluded)

[thomasp]

If anyone moans about how much aviation pollutes the atmosphere, they're getting a 10-point infraction :p

I'm doing an aeronautical engineering degree and can't stand the bias against aviation from treehuggers, who refuse to acknowledge that it only contributes to about 3 - 4% of the world's annual pollution and insist that it is aviation which is single-handedly killing the planet.


Granted, it does pollute, but nowhere near as much as, say, cows.

[Plasma]

Calm down Thomas, nobody's blaming air transport, it really doesn't cause a hell lot of pollution, and I'm sure if the manufacturers found a way to reduce the amount of fuel required, they'd already have done so.





However, Apple Inc..... :p

[bonz]

If anyone moans about how much aviation pollutes the atmosphere, they're getting a 10-point infraction :p

I'm doing an aeronautical engineering degree and can't stand the bias against aviation from treehuggers, who refuse to acknowledge that it only contributes to about 3 - 4% of the world's annual pollution and insist that it is aviation which is single-handedly killing the planet.


Granted, it does pollute, but nowhere near as much as, say, cows.
True.

I'd rather save all the remaining oil for quite important stuff like chemical and pharmaceutical industry and - yes - aviation and astronautics.
Really, there just isn't a better way of propulsion for airliners and rocket engines.

On the other hand, fuel cell and battery technologies for land-based vehicles are already advanced enough today to do a switch.

[iInk]

I cant really vote because I'm kind of in the middle.
I'd like to save the earth but I can't be arsed.

[AndrewTaylor]

I would save the world if only there was a range of greeting cards I could employ.

[Squirminator2k]

Is it just me or is this the single most utterly pointless poll that has ever been put up on the forum or, indeed, anywhere else on the Internet? Don't phone, it's just for fun.

[Plasma]

Is it just me or is this the single most utterly pointless poll that has ever been put up on the forum or, indeed, anywhere else on the Internet? Don't phone, it's just for fun.
You're right. This is an internet forum. Most of us won't be able to have grandchildren!


:D

[Shadowmoon]

I'm quite shocked that only yauhui and i voted yes.

What is wrong with you people?:mad:

You never know when the whole world will dissapear forever!:mad:

[Squirminator2k]

Only Shadowmoon and Yauhui can save us now!

[MtlAngelus]

We're doomed.

[Shadowmoon]

We're doomed.

You can say that again.

People, we will be doomed if more people don't join the Save the world team!:mad:

We don't get a lot of pollution in my country, i'm sure there's more in other places.

[Plasma]

You never know when the whole world will dissapear[sic] forever!:mad:
Umm, Shadowman, you do know that global warming will cause a small increase in overall temperature and a change in climates everywhere (both which will appear in our lifetime, more than they are now), followed by floods and an expected and small ice age (not in our lifetime, and which will wipe out many, but not all, humans), right? The world's not going to disappear anytime soon.

[Shadowmoon]

Umm, Shadowman, you do know that global warming will cause a small increase in overall temperature and a change in climates everywhere (both which will appear in our lifetime, more than they are now), followed by floods and an expected and small ice age (not in our lifetime, and which will wipe out many, but not all, humans), right? The world's not going to disappear anytime soon.

Umm.... yeah, i know. I was just joking.

This poll is pointless, really, so is this thread.

I only voted yes because i'd love to save the world coz i'd love to gain tons of respect, but i doubt i'll be anywhere close to saving the world.

[MtlAngelus]

You want to save the world to get tons of respect? What the hell?
That is an the worst reason to do anything, ever.

edit: Y'know, if you give me cash I'll respect you. Lots of cash. :)

[Shadowmoon]

You want to save the world to get tons of respect? What the hell?
That is an the worst reason to do anything, ever.

edit: Y'know, if you give me cash I'll respect you. Lots of cash. :)

I'm joking again.

I doubt anyone will stop throwing litter on the ground and stuff, so i doubt that the world will be saved too.

Why no one gets my jokes, i'll never find out....

[Plasma]

I only voted yes because i'd love to save the world coz i'd love to gain tons of respect, but i doubt i'll be anywhere close to saving the world.
Try focus on things like World Hunger: That's a considerably more, well, real problem, and your help really can save several people easily.

[MtlAngelus]

I'm joking again.

I doubt anyone will stop throwing litter on the ground and stuff, so i doubt that the world will be saved too.

Why no one gets my jokes, i'll never find out....


Because they suck.

For an extra cash I'll teach you how to make good jokes. You can get respect plus lessons on how to make good jokes* for only Lots of Cash, limited offer! And you get a free Invisible Dollar!** :)

*jokes sold separately.
**may also be intangible.

[Shadowmoon]

Because they suck.

Bravo! you have won the first person to say they suck award!

In fact, most people i know love and laugh at my jokes, so i'm publishing a book that will be in the shops anytime near you.

*Guaranteed to make Mtlangelus die.

* Guaranteed to make the whole world (except Angelus) laugh.

Try focus on things like World Hunger: That's a considerably more, well, real problem, and your help really can save several people easily.

Its one of the big problems in the world, and its sad that it happens.

Another thing thats important- animal hunting

[MtlAngelus]

Animal hunting is fun. I approve.

[Squirminator2k]

I approve of the fun activity that is hunting animals.

[Shadowmoon]

Animal hunting is fun. I approve.

Yeah. Who doesn't love some fish on a saturday night?

But hunting Sharks just to become brave for killing a killer, is just stupid.

One day these creatures that have done nothing wrong except live will die, and then you'll be crying every night.

[Squirminator2k]

Sharks are *******s. Wipe 'em all out, I say.

[Muzer]

Don't annoy the year 8 :mad:

[Shadowmoon]

Sharks are *******s. Wipe 'em all out, I say.

They probably think the same as us.

In fact, we are the most dangerous creatures living on earth. True fact.

Save Mother Nature together (http://thefreaks.deviantart.com/art/Save-Mother-Nature-together-84396816)

After watching this, i thought it was quite good. It certainly gets the message across

[.JeT]

And me, i can try to save you hurr hurr dy durr.

[Plasma]

One day these creatures that have done nothing wrong except live will die, and then you'll be crying every night.
Actually, Squirminator won't be around by then, he'll probably have been hunted down and killed. Not in that order.

[SgtFusion]

If anyone moans about how much aviation pollutes the atmosphere, they're getting a 10-point infraction :p

I'm doing an aeronautical engineering degree and can't stand the bias against aviation from treehuggers, who refuse to acknowledge that it only contributes to about 3 - 4% of the world's annual pollution and insist that it is aviation which is single-handedly killing the planet.


Granted, it does pollute, but nowhere near as much as, say, cows.

I'm with thomasp. In fact, what I hate is environmental extremists (i.e, treehugging maniacs) who seem to have to find out something environmentally dangerous with every single piece of technology or modern chemistry, whether or not it's actually dangerous. They were the kind of people who tried to outlaw asbestos because it's harmful to the respiratory system. That was only half true (only certain types of asbestos are dangerous). Then there's all the hype about "acid rain". And as far as I know, CFC's weren't actually harming the ozone layer significantly in any place but the south pole (and even then it was far less than the natural fluctuation of ozone layer thickness). The "danger" of CFC's was just a bunch of hype and scientific half-truths.
EDIT: And all the birth defects and such that were blamed on nuclear power in Russia were, in fact, not caused by nuclear radiation but (in cows) by too much fertilizer on the grass, and (in humans) by a particular prescription drug (thalidomide) that women were taking at that time.
EDIT: I also refuse to answer the poll, because it's a loaded question. It implies that if you can't be bothered saving the world, you don't want to see your grandchildren live.
[/rant]

[thomasp]

Really, there just isn't a better way of propulsion for airliners and rocket engines.

Hydrogen fuel cells work for small "general aviation" aircraft, basically anything with a propellor that's powered by a piston engine. Other than that, it's fossils all the way :D

On the other hand, fuel cell and battery technologies for land-based vehicles are already advanced enough today to do a switch.

Fuel cells won't make it into commercial aviation for a long time, due to the way that current aircraft propulsion systems (ie, jet engines) work. Basically, you have to compress and heat air in order to propel the aircraft, and fuel cells aren't really good at that in their current form. And hydrogen just isn't good enough at burning (strangely :p)

Jet engines are getting more efficient and cleaner, but unfortunately that's just a drop in the ocean. Countries like the USA and China really need to get their act together if pollution levels are to be considerably reduced.

[Plasma]

Then there's all the hype about "acid rain".
That still is a genuine problem, y'know. All lake pollution like that has very serious effects. An algae boom steals a lake of oxygen, so the fish life in it drown.

And as far as I know, CFC's weren't actually harming the ozone layer significantly in any place but the south pole (and even then it was far less than the natural fluctuation of ozone layer thickness). The "danger" of CFC's was just a bunch of hype and scientific half-truths.
Umm... when people say "the hole in the ozone", they do actually mean a hole in the ozone!

[SgtFusion]

No, that's what the media wants you to think. The "hole" is actually just a thinning, which is less severe than it is made out to be.

[thomasp]

One thing I should point out about tree-hugging environmental protestors, particularly those who protest against aviation is that they're essentially idiots. If they protest at an airport, the chances are they'll FLY into the airport. That's just stupid - if you're protesting about something, don't use that as your main means of transportation :p

[Plasma]

No, that's what the media wants you to think. The "hole" is actually just a thinning, which is less severe than it is made out to be.
Quick search of Wikipedia says... it's not an actual hole, yeah. It's just a large area over the Antartic where the Ozone level is 30-50% of what it should be.
I'm not quite sure how that's supposed to be "less severe than it is made out to be", but okay.

[yauhui]

Wow! 2 pages in 2 days! (at my country at least)

[Muzer]

In your post settings at least

[Paul.Power]

You never know when the whole world will dissapear forever!:mad:Abouououout... 4 billion years from now. Unless the Vogons get here first.

I still reckon humanity's best chance for long-term survival is getting off the Earth and colonising other worlds. Even if we did manage to cut carbon emissions down to manageable levels and all the other stuff, we'd eventually get whacked by a giant meteorite anyway.

But from a "save the planet" point of view: cover the world's deserts in solar furnaces. Job done.

[*Splinter*]

I voted no, 'cause.... I'll be dead already... duh

[Shadowmoon]

Congratulations to .JeT, Kelster23, Shadowmoon, Shockdude, yauhui, and _Kilburn for getting ready to save the world.

We can all die at any time.

[Kelster23]

Is it just me or is this the single most utterly pointless poll that has ever been put up on the forum or, indeed, anywhere else on the Internet? Don't phone, it's just for fun.
No, the "How many Bathrooms are in your house" was the most pointless one, IIRC.

They probably think the same as us.

In fact, we are the most dangerous creatures living on earth. True fact.

Save Mother Nature together (http://thefreaks.deviantart.com/art/Save-Mother-Nature-together-84396816)

After watching this, i thought it was quite good. It certainly gets the message across
We're also the least dangerous, if you really think about it. Really, look at us. We have no claws, or fangs. We can't really swim underwater for more that about what... 5 minutes?, we don't fly, and we're not that fast. It's just our intelligence that has us this far. Though them Dolphins are pretty intelligent

I'm with thomasp. In fact, what I hate is environmental extremists (i.e, treehugging maniacs) who seem to have to find out something environmentally dangerous with every single piece of technology or modern chemistry, whether or not it's actually dangerous. They were the kind of people who tried to outlaw asbestos because it's harmful to the respiratory system. That was only half true (only certain types of asbestos are dangerous). Then there's all the hype about "acid rain". And as far as I know, CFC's weren't actually harming the ozone layer significantly in any place but the south pole (and even then it was far less than the natural fluctuation of ozone layer thickness). The "danger" of CFC's was just a bunch of hype and scientific half-truths.
EDIT: And all the birth defects and such that were blamed on nuclear power in Russia were, in fact, not caused by nuclear radiation but (in cows) by too much fertilizer on the grass, and (in humans) by a particular prescription drug (thalidomide) that women were taking at that time.
EDIT: I also refuse to answer the poll, because it's a loaded question. It implies that if you can't be bothered saving the world, you don't want to see your grandchildren live.
[/rant]
Mmm... Agreed about the treehuggers... I don't see them whiping their asses with barbwire. I'm sure most of 'em live in a wooden home too.

[Shadowmoon]

We're also the least dangerous, if you really think about it. Really, look at us. We have no claws, or fangs. We can't really swim underwater for more that about what... 5 minutes?, we don't fly, and we're not that fast. It's just our intelligence that has us this far. Though them Dolphins are pretty intelligent

We are dangerous.

We kill animals, and eat them. And we kill about 250 or more types of animals.

Whereas Sharks kill maybe 150 types of animals.

[super_frea]

Yeah but do you think you'd be able to take on a bear, or a lion, or a shark, or python etc?

[Shadowmoon]

Yeah but do you think you'd be able to take on a bear, or a lion, or a shark, or python etc?

Remember that we hunt Sharks?

And other people hunt bears, lions, pythons, remember?

We are the most dangerous creatures living currently.

[super_frea]

Yeah

Remember that we hunt Sharks?

And other people hunt bears, lions, pythons, remember?

We are the most dangerous creatures living currently.

You'd be able to take on a bear? XD

[Shadowmoon]

You'd be able to take on a bear? XD

Get a shotgun, hide behind a tree, and shoot it.

Easy peasy.

Although i'd have to have more guts than i have now to do that.:p

[super_frea]

True. I mean whilst this is true that all we really have over other animals is our intelligence as Kelster says. This said intelligence allows us to, for example travel faster than a cheetah, fly higher than a bird, travel across water faster than any other creature.

[Shadowmoon]

True. I mean whilst this is true that all we really have over other animals is our intelligence as Kelster says. This said intelligence allows us to, for example travel faster than a cheetah, fly higher than a bird, travel across water faster than any other creature.

Yeah thats true, the cheetah can run up to 70 mph.

But we are the most dangerous creatures on earth.

On the bright side, we have more intelligence than any creature.:D

[Plasma]

Kelster voted... yes? Man, I expected her to be the one that would prefer to destroy the planet, not save it!

We're also the least dangerous, if you really think about it.
Find another species that knows how to fire a nuclear warhead into a highly populated city, twice, and then I'll start taking what you just said seriously.

On the bright side, we have more intelligence than any creature.:D
I know. The fact that your average idiothuman is considerably smarter than any other animal ever will be always makes me depressed...

[Squirminator2k]

Remember that we hunt Sharks?

And other people hunt bears, lions, pythons, remember?

We are the most dangerous creatures living currently.

http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/rb-highfive-big.gif

[Shadowmoon]

Thats just a stupid poster that should be thrown into the sun and burnt

[.JeT]

Shut it, that's nice, as it says, and it isn't a poster.

[Shadowmoon]

Shut it, that's nice, as it says, and it isn't a poster.

I'm just getting fed up of the images that Squirminator2k is posting.:p

[thomasp]

We are dangerous.

We kill animals, and eat them.

And other animals don't kill and eat each other? You've never watched wildife programs on TV then, or seen a cat catch and eat a mouse, or anything like that

And we kill about 250 or more types of animals.

Whereas Sharks kill maybe 150 types of animals.
Source?

If you're going to provide values like that please provide a source.

Remember that we hunt Sharks?

And sharks technically hunt humans. We are not at the top of the food chain, contrary to popular belief.

And other people hunt bears, lions, pythons, remember?

And other animals hunt other creatures. Shock horror!

We are the most dangerous creatures living currently.
But we are the most dangerous creatures on earth.

Source/proof? Surely certain viruses and bacteria are the most dangerous things (you could probably even go as far to call them "creatures") on this planet. However, we do have the greatest capability to destroy the planet, which I guess does make us pretty dangerous.

On the bright side, we have more intelligence than any creature.:D

Do you have any proof for this wild claim?

I have "sources" that state we are the third most intelligent species on this planet. The second being mice and the first being dolphins (and bonus points for those who know where this comes from :p)

[Plasma]

I'm just getting fed up of you getting fed up of the images that Squirminator2k is posting. Now let the man post his considerably-awesome-but-ultimately-lacking-in-much-needed-dinosaurs picture,

Surely certain viruses and bacteria are the most dangerous things (you could probably even go as far to call them "creatures") on this planet. However, we do have the greatest capability to destroy the planet, which I guess does make us pretty dangerous.
If you're starting to count viruses as creatures, then think of it this way: humans kill off a LOOOOOOT more viruses than viruses do to all creatures.

[Shadowmoon]

I have "sources" that state we are the third most intelligent species on this planet. The second being mice and the first being dolphins (and bonus points for those who know where this comes from

Then that source is poppycock. Would you care to take me to a computer that a mouse or dolphin has invented?

Source?

If you're going to provide values like that please provide a source.

Its an Estimate. End of.

And other animals hunt other creatures. Shock horror!

But we hunt more creatures than any other creatures!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Source/proof? Surely certain viruses and bacteria are the most dangerous things (you could probably even go as far to call them "creatures") on this planet. However, we do have the greatest capability to destroy the planet, which I guess does make us pretty dangerous.

I didn't know bacteria could launch a nuclear bomb.

I didn't know that bacteria could fly planes that destroyed this building in the US.... can't remember the name... if i'm right it was the empire state building....

I think we have the power to destroy a WHOLE country.

[thomasp]

Then that source is poppycock. Would you care to take me to a computer that a mouse or dolphin has invented?

Mice rule this planet. And I shall say no more.

Its an Estimate. End of.
Then don't present it as fact.

But we hunt more creatures than any other creatures!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Err, no we don't. We grow a heck of a lot of our food, and you can't call picking carrots "hunting". When a lion catches and eats its food, that's hunting. When a shark eats a smaller fish, that's hunting. When fish feed on plankton, that's technically hunting. When hawks catch other birds/mice, that's hunting.

Many animals depend on hunting to survive - we don't.

I didn't know bacteria could launch a nuclear bomb.

Then what's killed more? The AIDS virus or nuclear bombs (in fact - what's killed more, AIDS or every single war)?

And on that subject, turning back to the thread topic, what's killed more, the AIDS virus or the world's environmental issues? :p

[Plasma]

I have "sources" that state we are the third most intelligent species on this planet. The second being mice and the first being dolphins (and bonus points for those who know where this comes from :p)
I... no, I've never heard of mice being just the second smartest. I'm thinking of H2G2, by the way.

But we hunt more creatures than any other creatures!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I sincerely doubt that. Go check on how much Plankton a regular whale eats every day.
Seriously, why are people so content on saving those fat basts?! Just go into an office job, and you'll realise that the are enough fat worthless mammals in the world as it is.

And on that subject, turning back to the thread topic, what's killed more, the AIDS virus or the world's environmental issues? :p
Didn't this world go through several ice ages, killing off billions of ceatures? This world's environment doesn't seem to be very user-friendly.

[Shadowmoon]

Err, no we don't. We grow a heck of a lot of our food, and you can't call picking carrots "hunting". When a lion catches and eats its food, that's hunting. When a shark eats a smaller fish, that's hunting. When fish feed on plankton, that's technically hunting. When hawks catch other birds/mice, that's hunting.

Many animals depend on hunting to survive - we don't.

But we kill Crocodiles, Sharks, Tigers, Bears, Whales, etc. Surely thats clarified as hunting?

And i mean more types of creatures, not the ammount.

And on that subject, turning back to the thread topic, what's killed more, the AIDS virus or the world's environmental issues?

The AIDS virus.

Anyway.... 3 things to do when thinking about dropping litter....

1. Don't be lazy

2. Find a bin

3. Or destroy it with your UB3R laser.

[Paul.Power]

Then that source is poppycock. Would you care to take me to a computer that a mouse or dolphin has invented?Clearly someone isn't as big a reader as he previously stated.

I can think of two computers that the source in question claimed mice had invented, and you're standing on one of them right now.

[Shadowmoon]

I can think of two computers that the source in question claimed mice had invented, and you're standing on one of them right now.

But i'm not standing, i'm sitting down.:p

Mice did not invent Ground, if thats what your talking about.

Clearly someone isn't as big a reader as he previously stated.

Would ya like to me to take a picture of all my books? would ya? would ya? would ya?

I haven't read a book thats said that.

[Squirminator2k]

Shadowmoon, I'd really recommend learning things before you try to weigh in on an intellectual debate. If brains were fibre you'd be constipated.

[thomasp]

I... no, I've never heard of mice being just the second smartest.

Doesn't this forum read ANY books? :rolleyes:

Didn't this world go through several ice ages, killing off billions of ceatures? This world's environment doesn't seem to be very user-friendly.

Good point. I was just thinking of the human race there. Mind you, cockroaches and alligators seem to survive fine.

But we kill Crocodiles, Sharks, Tigers, Bears, Whales, etc. Surely thats clarified as hunting?

Yes. But compared to the hunting those animals do to survive, human hunting is pretty small.

Anyway.... 3 things to do when thinking about dropping litter....

1. Don't be lazy

2. Find a bin

3. Or destroy it with your UB3R laser.

That will just pollute the planet further. Best thing to do is to not generate litter in the first place. Far too much of the world's rubbish ends up in the oceans.

[Shadowmoon]

Shadowmoon, I'd really recommend learning things before you try to weigh in on an intellectual debate. If brains were fibre you'd be constipated.

But humans are the most dangerous, its official, end of.

Think about it. Have you met a shark with a nuclear bomb?:rolleyes:

[Paul.Power]

Would ya like to me to take a picture of all my books? would ya? would ya? would ya?

Come and 'ave a go if you think you're well-read enough.

Doesn't this forum read ANY books? Aren't mice supposed to be the smartest, and dolphins the second-smartest?

At least, that's what's in the first book. Maybe it's different in the fifth, I still haven't read it.

[Squirminator2k]

You are missing the point somewhat, Shadowmoon. It's not just about weaponry and explosives and all those things you seem to think are Important.

[thomasp]

But humans are the most dangerous, its official, end of.

Think about it. Have you met a shark with a nuclear bomb?:rolleyes:
I still can't see your reasoning for us being the most dangerous. Surely viruses are considerably more dangerous as they can wipe out an entire species in a pretty short amount of time. It'd take quite an effort for the human race to do that.

But all of that's insignificant. If Mother Nature wanted, we could be wiped off the face of this planet by the click of a finger. Any of the following would pretty much doom our species:

Ice age
Supervolcano erupting (good example being Yellowstone, which is long overdue to go pop). This would block out the sun for probably a decade or two.
Severe drought
Relatively small increase in the temperature of this planet, causing the polar ice caps to melt and flooding pretty much most of the world
A dramatic change in the jetstreams, rendering tropical and subtropical climates desert or worse and climates like the UK and colder too hot to grow anything reasonable

[Shadowmoon]

Whoa, these guys are just totally wrong (http://www.worsleyschool.net/fun/dangerous/creatures.html)

You are missing the point somewhat, Shadowmoon. It's not just about weaponry and explosives and all those things you seem to think are Important.

Yes, it is. Mice are not one of the most intelligent, and never will be. Some people been watching too Much tom and Jerry.

We are intelligent. We created computers, TV's. Phones, Wii's, X360's, need i go on?

Could a mouse do any of that tho?

EDIT: I'll search wikipedia for Most dangerous creatures. If it says humans than ha to all of you.

[Paul.Power]

We are intelligent. We created computers, TV's. Phones, Wii's, X360's, need i go on?

Could a mouse do any of that tho?

"Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much – the wheel, New York, wars and so on – whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man – for precisely the same reasons."

[Squirminator2k]

Oh yes, please do consult Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

[super_frea]

We are intelligent. We created computers, TV's. Phones, Wii's, X360's, need i go on?

Could a mouse do any of that tho?

Can we fit into a really small hole the size of a hand? Now that takes brains.

[Shadowmoon]

Oh yes, please do consult Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

It doesn't say. Strange.

And any other site i look on, you either get to that stupid site i showed you, or a picture that you click on, which is a shark, and then it magically turns into someone farting.

Search on google: The most dangerous creatures.

I find it really strange that Wikipedia doesn't say......:confused:

Can we fit into a really small hole the size of a hand? Now that takes brains.

Show me the shrinking ray that the mice invented plz. Thnx bye.

[Squirminator2k]

In the interests of putting Shadowmoon out of his misery, it's The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which states dolphins and mice are more intelligent than man. The book is, of course, fiction.

However that doesn't mean man is the smartest animal on Earth, nor the most dangerous. Shadowmoon can be forgiven in part for being young and niave, but he cannot be forgiven for constantly trying to weigh on the subject when people older and (probably) wiser than he is are correcting him.

Oh, before I posted thius he posted something else even more stupid.

[Muzer]

HG2TG rocks :)

[Plasma]

But all of that's insignificant. If Mother Nature wanted, we could be wiped off the face of this planet by the click of a finger. Any of the following would pretty much doom our species:

Ice age
Supervolcano erupting (good example being Yellowstone, which is long overdue to go pop). This would block out the sun for probably a decade or two.
Severe drought
Relatively small increase in the temperature of this planet, causing the polar ice caps to melt and flooding pretty much most of the world
A dramatic change in the jetstreams, rendering tropical and subtropical climates desert or worse and climates like the UK and colder too hot to grow anything reasonable

Well, it's generally presumed that because Mother Nature doesn't actually exist, she doesn't count.
Besides, a sufficiently large comet on collision with the Earth could wipe out all life AND all nature. And don't get me started on the Sun! (although that might count as having a negative kill streak, because of how much life it saved, repeatedly)

I find it really strange that Wikipedia doesn't say......:confused:
Well, you have to remember that, in reality, how dangerous a creature is is unmeasurable, so a general consensus can't be concluded.
However, intelligence is different. Do a Wikipedia search for "the most intelligent beings on earth". (don't forget the inverted commas)

Show me the shrinking ray that the mice invented plz. Thnx bye.
We can't: it shrank.

[Shadowmoon]

he Hitchhiker's Guide

Sooo let me get this straight..... that book isn't true? ahhhhh i'm going to rip my scalp off!


However that doesn't mean man is the smartest animal on Earth, nor the most dangerous. Shadowmoon can be forgiven in part for being young and niave, but he cannot be forgiven for constantly trying to weigh on the subject when people older and (probably) wiser than he is are correcting him.

I get my naive behaviour from my parents.

Also, is searched teh internet for information. Looked on google and yahoo. Chimps! who beleives that?

As for dangerous creatures.... dunno. Case closed.

[Paul.Power]

I'm still waiting to see how many books you have.

[thomasp]

Well, it's generally presumed that because Mother Nature doesn't actually exist, she doesn't count.
Besides, a sufficiently large comet on collision with the Earth could wipe out all life AND all nature. And don't get me started on the Sun! (although that might count as having a negative kill streak, because of how much life it saved, repeatedly)


Well, you have to remember that, in reality, how dangerous a creature is is unmeasurable, so a general consensus can't be concluded.
However, intelligence is different. Do a Wikipedia search for "the most intelligent beings on earth". (don't forget the inverted commas)


We can't: it shrank.
OK then Mr. Pedantic. "Any of The Earth's natural cycles and mechanisms could doom our species in very little time, relatively."

[Shadowmoon]

I'm still waiting to see how many books you have.

And just because you wanna know, i'm going to take a picture of my book shelf. Seriously.

[Squirminator2k]

I get my naive behaviour from my parents.
Actually you get it from being young. Don't worry, we were all young and naive once.

[AndrewTaylor]

But humans are the most dangerous, its official, end of.

Oh, it's official, now, is it? Only it was an estimate earlier, and that was end of too. In fact, that was so end of that end of required its own little splinter sentence.

Look, face facts, you're trying to argue an ill-defined point by appeal to nebulous authority, repetition, no apparent ability to distinguish reality from humour and a bizarre insistence that "danger" be defined purely in terms of military hardware. You're digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole and you'd be really really well advised to stop.

That, and you're dragging this thread more than a little off topic and you don't seem to be going anywhere with it, except round in this little circle over and over that just goes "but we're the most dangerous, end of", "what about mosquitoes that carry disease?", "show me a mosquito that can bomb a city, can't do it, see, it's official i read it somewhere i refuse to divulge, end of", go to 10. Stop it at once.

[Plasma]

OK then Mr. Pedantic. "Any of The Earth's natural cycles and mechanisms could doom our species in very little time, relatively."
How'd you... well, that was a fast reply!
That's very much a 'could'. We could be doomed in the next week, or the next millenia. Same goes for a comet, too.
...ah screw it, we both know that most life is going to be wiped out by America and nukes!

[Shadowmoon]

Right. Just to prove to paul that i own a load of books, here's a picture.

There's more books on the other side, btw, they just aren't fully shown.

Anyway.....

Tooken with my PSP Camera.

Ones in the middle- famous five books. Ones on the right, mostly beano books, ones on the left, Books about space dinosaurs.

Harry potter books are up in my loft.

[Squirminator2k]

Fairly certain those books don't count.

[super_frea]

Beano?.........

[Shadowmoon]

Fairly certain those books don't count.

I'd take a picture of the harry potter books, but they are up in my loft.

Also more grown up books that i own too.

Beano?.........

Don't go ahead and say its childish- its one of the most popular books in the UK.

Running for 70 years!

Even adults read them sometimes.

[thomasp]

And now we either go back on topic or this thread gets locked.

[super_frea]

Even adults read them sometimes.

Adults who are reminiscing their childhood maybe...
ON TOPIC TIME:

Here's a list of things we should aim to achieve:
reduction and clean up of pollution, with future goals of zero pollution;
cleanly converting nonrecyclable materials into energy through direct combustion or after conversion into secondary fuels;
reducing societal consumption of non-renewable fuels;
development of alternative, green, low-carbon or renewable energy sources;
conservation and sustainable use of scarce resources such as water, land, and air;
protection of representative or unique or pristine ecosystems;
preservation of threatened and endangered species extinction;
the establishment of nature and biosphere reserves under various types of protection; and, most generally, the protection of biodiversity and ecosystems upon which all human and other life on earth depends.

Shouldn't be difficult...

[Squirminator2k]

Yes, but it's hardly a literary masterpiece, is it? It's not particularly taxing material.

Edit: So, environments. I hear we have one.

[MrBunsy]

Right. Just to prove to paul that i own a load of books, here's a picture.
I've got more Beano Books that you :p

[Shadowmoon]

Edit: So, environments. I hear we have one.

Yes, we have alabama, England, America, Virginia, Chile, Florida, California, Louisana, Wales, Ireland, Scotland.

Yeah, we have a lot of environments. We don't have one, we have loads!

I've got more beano books than you

Maybe.... but would you like to see my big collection of comics?

Nah, i won't show that.

[Squirminator2k]

No, those would be countries. And States. Sort-of mixed together. Kudos to you.

[Plasma]

I've... umm... a big environmentally-friendly box of my old Beano comics upstairs in my pro-environment attic. Sometimes, the comics are a bit related to the environment.
Well, that's about as on-topic as I can get.

future goals of zero pollution;
Okay, now that's just ridiculous! I mean, the only physical way that can ever happen is if the Earth really did get destroyed!
Heck, your farts count as heavy pollution (Especially yours SFrea). Not to mention that you exhale Carbon Dioxide with every friggin' breath!
Seriously, humans are just miniature Chinese factories!

No, those would be countries. And States. Sort-of mixed together. Kudos to you.
And an island that's neither a country nor a state. I don't know what that's doing there.

[FutureWorm]

http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/rb-highfive-big.gif

where can i get one of these

[super_frea]

Shadowmoon I think you should get to work on cleanly converting nonrecyclable materials into energy through direct combustion or after conversion into secondary fuels...

Also greenhouses gases are bad. We should get rid of them.

[Shadowmoon]

I've... umm... a big environmentally-friendly box of my old Beano comics upstairs in my pro-environment attic. Sometimes, the comics are a bit related to the environment.
Well, that's about as on-topic as I can get.


Okay, now that's just ridiculous! I mean, the only physical way that can ever happen is if the Earth really did get destroyed!

Or if all the people were hypnotized to not litter again, or use cars again, or planes, trains, boats, buses, taxi's, trams, hmmmm?

Also greenhouses gases are bad. We should get rid of them.

Oh! this thread is where we complain!

Anyway... here's my suggestions to stop pollution.

. Kill anybody who pollutes.
. Ban every single thing that is litter.
. Get rid of cars, buses, trams, planes, boats, etc.
. Get rid of oil.

These would stop pollution straight away! although 800, 000, 000 people would get killed.

This thread is the best thread ever.

[Paul.Power]

Fairly certain those books don't count.
Beano?.........

No, be fair, be fair, I'm going to say that those books count. Haven't read much Famous Five, but I read most if not all of the Secret Seven series when I was a kid, and I really enjoyed them. And I've got Beano Annuals 1991-2006 to boot. Both of those are in the loft now I think, along with a whole bunch of other stuff from when I was Shadowmoon's age.

However, here's just a fraction of the books I have. Photo taken about four years ago, during the Easter holidays of my first year at Cambridge, shortly before my 19th birthday (hence the large gaps that wouldn't normally exist: a good few books that are normally in those shelf positions were in Cambridge). As you can tell from the fact that the Beano Annuals are still there.

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Tomorrow I'll post a complete census, although I'm not going up in the loft :p

[FutureWorm]

the enviroment is lame and gay. global warming? more like global hoaxing. i can't believe you sheeple fall for this crap.

[MrBunsy]

Drat, Paul, you've got more beano annuals than me, and is that Horrible Sciences up the top?
Okay, now that's just ridiculous! I mean, the only physical way that can ever happen is if the Earth really did get destroyed!

Well, I reckon it's physically possible to have no overall pollution. Ain't gonna actually happen, but it would be possible. Design and make everything with either long lifespans or able to be completely re-used/recycled.

[Plasma]

Also greenhouses gases are bad. We should get rid of them.
Once again: You breathe out greenhouse gases!

[super_frea]

*cough*thatwasajoke*cough*

[Paul.Power]

Drat, Paul, you've got more beano annuals than me, and is that Horrible Sciences up the top?Horrible Science, Horrible History, Horrible Geography, Murderous Maths, The Knowledge, Dead Famous and Coping With.

Good ol' Scholastic.

[Plasma]

No, be fair, be fair, I'm going to say that those books count. Haven't read much Famous Five, but I read most if not all of the Secret Seven series when I was a kid, and I really enjoyed them.
Famous Five fitted into the same category as Secret Seven. Although my favorite out of those kind of books was definitely the Just William books; I'd strongly reccomend you check them out, Shadowman.

And I've got Beano Annuals 1991-2006 to boot. Both of those are in the loft now I think, along with a whole bunch of other stuff from when I was Shadowmoon's age.
2006, Paul?

Tomorrow I'll post a complete census, although I'm not going up in the loft :p
Well, you've certainly got me beat on books. Although, in fairness, it wasn't long before I stopped reading story books in favour of books regarding Engineering, Physics, more Engineering, and the occasional book by Scott Adams (which is the largest conributing factor to my people-are-idiots attitude); trying to understand everything in those books kept me preoccupied enough as it was. Nowadays, I find videogames a much better substitute for story books, probably because you feel more related to people in videogames than in books.

[Paul.Power]

Famous Five fitted into the same category as Secret Seven.Given they're by the same author and all, I'd be surprised if they didn't.

Although The Three Investigators remains my premier choice when it comes to the "childhood sleuths" genre.

2006, Paul?

Admittedly by that point it was more tradition than anything :p

Nowadays, I find videogames a much better substitute for story books, probably because you feel more related to people in videogames than in books.OTOH, story books have the best user interface of all: imagination.

[MrBunsy]

Hehe, I think my last was 2006 as well.
Horrible Science, Horrible History, Horrible Geography, Murderous Maths, The Knowledge, Dead Famous and Coping With.Blimey. The Horrible Sciences were what got me reading in the first place, but I never really liked any of the others.

Nowadays, I find videogames a much better substitute for story books, probably because you feel more related to people in videogames than in books.Not quite as relaxing as a good book, though.

Edit: Last one was 2006, but it seems I skipped 2005.

[Paul.Power]

Murderous Maths is a fantastic series. Covers a lot of stuff that I only got formally taught at GCSE, and some stuff only at A-Level

Shame there isn't one for calculus though, although the author Kjartan Poskitt actually does a bit of elementary calculus in Dead Famous: Isaac Newton And His Apple.

[Shadowmoon]

The latest one i have is 2008.

And that is a damn good collection of books, paul. Either way, you beat me.

And no, super_frea, i wont recycle them, i will sell them all in the year 2060, or something.

[Paul.Power]

Thanks, Shadowmoon. I'm pretty proud of my books (not that I treat them especially well, being more of the belief that books are there to be read).

Oh well, it's probably churlish to go on now Shadowmoon's accepted defeat. But, well, I started so I'll finish...

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My main bookcase, again. Things have changed a bit since the previous photo: for example, the top shelf is now computer games and music, so I guess that doesn't count. Includes Scholastic, Reginald Hill's "Joe Sixsmith" series, misc. Pratchett and Adams, Bill Bryson, JK Rowling, Garfield (I'm not proud :p), and Harry Harrison's "Stainless Steel Rat" series.

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Auxiliary 1, behind the door to my bedroom. Lots of old favourites back here, including The Three Investigators, the Railway Series and Professor Branestawm. A good deal of nonfiction too, including most of my Richard Feynman books.

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Auxiliary 2, at the foot of my bed. Where a lot of my Scholastic books got moved to. My PSone games are also here, so again I guess they don't count.

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Auxiliary 3, in Dad's bedroom. More Scholastic overspill, more game overspill. The Goons book is my Dad's (he's got a lot of other books in here as well, but I cropped them out), although I might read it some day.

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The living room. The Discworld books are sort of shared-ownership with my parents. Inset: The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, ditto.

And as I say, this misses out a ton of stuff now in the loft.

[Shadowmoon]

My reaction after seeing the picture before: :eek:

My reaction after seeing these pictures: :eek::eek::eek:

You must really love reading. I do too, but most of my books are up in the loft.

You've beaten me anyway.:(

[bonz]

Show me the shrinking ray that the mice invented plz. Thnx bye.
What the heck are you babbling about?
An average mouse can easily fit through a hole with ~2cm in diameter, if not even smaller.

Now you "plz thnx bye"...
(Have you already grown from the unknowing, nursery school child to the impertinent, leet-speaking primary school one? Sigh!)

[Akuryou13]

Quick search of Wikipedia says... it's not an actual hole, yeah. It's just a large area over the Antartic where the Ozone level is 30-50% of what it should be.
I'm not quite sure how that's supposed to be "less severe than it is made out to be", but okay.well, it's made out to be 0%. so 50% I guess could be a bit of a difference if you really want to be pedantic about it.

Or if all the people were hypnotized to not litter again, or use cars again, or planes, trains, boats, buses, taxi's, trams, hmmmm?that would work amazingly but I have severe doubts as to the workability of your plan due to the lack of information about Cow psychology.

. Kill anybody who pollutes.
. Ban every single thing that is litter.
. Get rid of cars, buses, trams, planes, boats, etc.
. Get rid of oil.ok, so all we have to do is kill every man, woman, child and animal on the planet, tell all the crumpled bits of paper that they're banned from the earth and deport them back to whatever country they came from, get rid of any and all modes of transportation and commerce, and defile the remains of millions upon millions of ancient life forms. SWEET! LET'S GET ON IT!

These would stop pollution straight away! although 800, 000, 000 people would get killed. where do the other 790,000,000 people come from? are we going to every inhabited planet for this crusade before offing our own?

seriously. we can work at getting rid of pollution all we want but until we move all the people off the planet it won't help. there's simply too many of us. we put out all sorts of pollutants just by living and with such a dense population as we have we're bound to have negative side effects. in terms of technology the main problem is the automobiles due to the numbers of them on the roads, but the US for one will never switch to hydrogen cells because people are greedy and stupid and if we stopped using oil too many people would lose a bunch of their money and actually have to work an honest day's work rather than ride on a wave of money into the lap of luxury as they're used to. the tree huggers can do what they want, it won't help anything seriously. if it gets bad enough, the planet will defend itsself and kill us all. that's all there is to it.

You must really love reading. I do too, but most of my books are up in the loft. that's really not all THAT large a collection of books. my grandmother had 2 of the rooms in her house that used bookshelves in place of walls.

[Plasma]

where do the other 790,000,000 people come from? are we going to every inhabited planet for this crusade before offing our own?
Lets see now... 800,000,000 minus 790,000,000 roughly equals.... the entire population of New York City!
Okay, I've heard of the phrase "Americans think of their country as the entire world", but I've never heard of one of them thinking a city was.

[Akuryou13]

Lets see now... 800,000,000 minus 790,000,000 roughly equals.... the entire population of New York City!
Okay, I've heard of the phrase "Americans think of their country as the entire world", but I've never heard of one of them thinking a city was.LOL! :o I read one more set of zeroes. oops! :o

[Star Worms]

Also greenhouses gases are bad. We should get rid of them.

Given that by far the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour, that wouldn't be a great idea.

[Star Worms]

Or if all the people were hypnotized to not litter again, or use cars again, or planes, trains, boats, buses, taxi's, trams, hmmmm?



Oh! this thread is where we complain!

Anyway... here's my suggestions to stop pollution.

. Kill anybody who pollutes.
. Ban every single thing that is litter.
. Get rid of cars, buses, trams, planes, boats, etc.
. Get rid of oil.

These would stop pollution straight away! although 800, 000, 000 people would get killed.

This thread is the best thread ever.Everyone pollutes. We all exhale CO2, among other things. Ban litter? Littering is already banned, but is unenforceable in most places. A policeman can't go along arresting or fining everyone who drops litter. Getting rid of cars would cause countries to grind to a halt. Buisnesses rely on transporting their goods whether by lorry, train, plane etc. I don't want to have to walk or cycle 180 miles back home while carrying my pc, all my clothes, a minifridge, printer, scanner etc on my back. Same thing goes for oil. There's no legitimate alternative. Yes, people are building wind farms and solar panels but not everyone can survive by doing that. Fact is, everything pollutes. To make the solar panels or wind turbines, they have to extract metal, melt it etc. It pollutes, and it's unavoidable whichever energy source you use.

[super_frea]

*cough*thatwasajoke*cough*
..........

[Steve14]

Where's the "The sun will explode before we get problems with environment pollution and lack of raw material" button? ;)

[*Splinter*]

Where's the "The sun will explode before we get problems with environment pollution and lack of raw material" button? ;)


They took it away because its stupid and wrong

[Plasma]

Given that by far the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour, that wouldn't be a great idea.
Anyone wanna point out what's wrong with his post? Anyone at all?

[Shadowmoon]

Now you "plz thnx bye"...
(Have you already grown from the unknowing, nursery school child to the impertinent, leet-speaking primary school one? Sigh!)

Lets call everyone who sends texts like that year 1's then!:p

that's really not all THAT large a collection of books. my grandmother had 2 of the rooms in her house that used bookshelves in place of walls.

Trust me, when i'm 22 i'll be showing you 9 bookcases crammed with books.

Anyway, i am a serious Beano and Dandy fan, been collected them for 6 years from now.

And here's proof.....

The next bag has comics in there. Your looking at about 200 comics in here, but there's 2 more boxes in my loft.

Also, too people that replied to my stupid post, i was joking.

[AndrewTaylor]

I have half a mind to rename this thread to "The Show How Much You Care About The Environment By Posting Photos Of Huge Amounts Of Carbon Locked Up In Your Collection Of Infantile Comic Books Thread". But I don't know it it will fit.

[Shadowmoon]

I have half a mind to rename this thread to "The Show How Much You Care About The Environment By Posting Photos Of Huge Amounts Of Carbon Locked Up In Your Collection Of Infantile Comic Books Thread". But I don't know it it will fit.

The beano and dandy is not infantile. In fact anybody who says that, is just wrong.

Even adults read the beano and dandy

[Muzer]

Way to miss the point :rolleyes:

[super_frea]

I have half a mind to rename this thread to "The Show How Much You Care About The Environment By Posting Photos Of Huge Amounts Of Carbon Locked Up In Your Collection Of Infantile Comic Books Thread". But I don't know it it will fit.

Please do.

[Shadowmoon]

Way to miss the point :rolleyes:

The point is: Your saying you want to be environmentally friendly and yet you still have millions of comics?

Beano and dandy comics rule hell yeah.

[thomasp]

Better still, I'm going to save the environment by locking this thread and ensuring no more electricity is wasted in transmitting its ever-increasing nonsense across the internet, as it has now gone wildly off topic.


*Thread closed, for the good of the planet*