Team 17 how could you release this game?

[Swiftaudi]

It might do well with anyone who hasnt played worms but to the few who have its a BIG dissapointment.

[Plasma]

It might do well with anyone who hasnt played worms but to the few who have its a BIG dissapointment.
In short, the game was made primarily for anyone who hasn't played the Worms games enough. You're not the main target audience.

[AndrewTaylor]

It might do well with anyone who hasnt played worms but to the few who have its a BIG dissapointment.

The word "few" should be an answer to the question in the thread title...

[48Prong]

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

Here is a very interesting (and very lengthy) opinion article written on casual gaming. I think this person's ideas and theories are very true of the development of Worms: A Space Oddity.

[Plasma]

It basically says directing games at casual gamers is a terrible idea with no chance of succes, and Nintendo have doomed themselves by doing so.
Yeah, let's just rub those Wii sales figures under this carpet here...

[48Prong]

It basically says directing games at casual gamers is a terrible idea with no chance of succes, and Nintendo have doomed themselves by doing so.
Yeah, let's just rub those Wii sales figures under this carpet here...

You obviously did not read the article. It says nothing to that effect whatsoever. Try again. It praises Nintendo for what it has accomplished in the market, but is pointing out the problems 3rd party developers are having trying to fit in.

[Shadowmoon]

Havent really known about worms for the couple past 2 years since worms open warfare just wasn`t great. People keep coming back for worms armageddon and worms world party I MEAN COME ON TEAM 17!!! How hard can it be to make a good worms game?? why do you always have to put limited levels with limited weapons. KEYWORD!! LIMITED!! Just do a dam game like worms world party with a huge number of weapons, levels, sounds, and online play and you will be gods again. You`ve had enought time to make a quality game stop the crap of making limited games for many consoles and make one great epic game plzz for godss sake

Yeah. You do know that this game was for people who are new to worms? so it introduces them to it?

[Squirminator2k]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040324.jpg

[Shadowmoon]

Unnecessary.:rolleyes:

Personally, i'd like to see a WAS0 2. I think that WASO is like WOW, and i think the ammount of weapons in this game made most people hate it.

I'd like WASO 2 to have more content, then maybe people will like it.

[Rabito71]

Yeah. You do know that this game was for people who are new to worms? so it introduces them to it?

Do you support this game, and do you think this was a step further into the saga?

[Squirminator2k]

...do you think this was a step further into the saga?
You're missing the point. The game wasn't designed to be the next step in Wormery. It was designed to introduce new, casual players to the series. Stop focusing on a point which is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

[Rabito71]

fine I still think they did the wrong choice about that game

[Squirminator2k]

They made the wrong choice so far as you're concerned because it's not the game you wanted. The game you wanted is Worms Armageddon, which has already been made. I suggest you play that.

[48Prong]

They made the wrong choice so far as you're concerned because it's not the game you wanted. The game you wanted is Worms Armageddon, which has already been made. I suggest you play that.

I am interested to see sales figures and opinions of the non-casual AND casual gamers who do not frequent video games forums. All I have heard opinions from so far is from the same 15 or so different people. I am pretty sure the general consensus, especially from those who are familiar with Worms, is that Worms: A Space Oddity is pretty much a waste.

http://www.amazon.com/THQ-785138301389-Worms-Space-Oddity/dp/B000XJD33Y/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1210105462&sr=8-1

http://www.gamefly.com/products/detail.asp?pid=129120&t=0&tab=11#tabs

[Plasma]

I have heard opinions from so far is from the same 15 or so different people. I am pretty sure the general consensus, especially from those who are familiar with Worms, is that Worms: A Space Oddity is pretty much a waste.
15 people do not form a General Consensus.
:p

[yakuza]

Many of the people that posted complaint threads I bet registered just to field their complaints, so go figure how happy they are.
There's been one regular who managed to make a positive review though, but I believe he was just seeking for attention.

[Plasma]

There's been one regular who managed to make a positive review though, but I believe he was just seeking for attention.
If you're talking about Shadowman, then don't worry: apparently, he's gone to thinking the game is sub-par now.
Check back in a week though, he's sure to have changed his opinion by then!

:D

[parsley]

Unnecessary.:rolleyes:

Personally, i'd like to see a WAS0 2. I think that WASO is like WOW, and i think the ammount of weapons in this game made most people hate it.
Show me the stats, please.

[AndrewTaylor]

That's not how it works. You don't need stats. You assume you're a member of the majority, because that's statistically likely since the majority is bigger, then you generalise your opinions to the world. If anyone argues with you then they're denying your right to an opinion, as the Majority.

[quakerworm]

15 people do not form a General Consensus.
:p
if it is a random sample they do.

look, if half of the people who are aware of waso thought it was a waste, and half thought it was not, probability of 15 random people agreeing that it was a waste would be 1/2^15. or roughly 1 in 30,000. pretty incredible odds.

we can do better. we can ask, if 15 random people agreed that waso was a waste, what is the probability that a fraction x of all people thought otherwise. well, given x, we know that p(N) is (1-x)^N. given N, then, p(x) will be given by c*(1-x)^N, where c is the inverse of the total probability of N for all values of x. we can establish that c by requiring that integral p(x)*dx over [0,1] is 1. so for N=15, we get p(x)=16*(1-x)^15.

now that p(x) is known, we can establish average x. by definition, that is the integral of x*p(x)*dx over [0,1], which evaluates to avg(x)=0.0588235294

so, if entirely random sample of 15 people said that waso is a waste, we can estimate that 94.12% of all people thought so. i don't know about you, but i would call 94% a general consensus.



of course, the requirement on the sample being random is crucial. i severely doubt that aforementioned 15 people do indeed form a sufficiently random sample.

[Plasma]

Actually, your point there also relies on that the 15 people all claimed W:ASO to be a waste, which 48prong didn't say. He did, however, say it was a general consensus, meaning a minimum of 8 of those people needed to think W:ASO was a waste. The odds of that happening are a lot more likely.


This is all aside from the fact that it's obvious 48prong just made up a random figure to support his argument.

[quakerworm]

i see. i misread the statement.

the point, however, stands, that there are cases when you can make conclusions from a very small sample.

[Shadowmoon]

Many of the people that posted complaint threads I bet registered just to field their complaints, so go figure how happy they are.
There's been one regular who managed to make a positive review though, but I believe he was just seeking for attention.

And that regular is me. *clap* *clap* *clap*

I didn't write a review for attention. And no plasma i still like the game, but it would be better with more content.

So my opinion on the game is that its good, but its also dissapointing because of not much content.

Keep in mind that that wasn't a full review, but instead a review based on what i've played so far.

[yakuza]

I suggest you don't call things reviews when they aren't, then.
Preview would of been a better word, or perhaps "superficial opinion that is likely to change in 5 minutes".

[worMatty]

Now now, yakuza, no need for that. Opinions can change over time, it's only natural. And terminology is misused by accident. Let's not berate people for making mistakes.

I can understand the disappointment at there being less weapons and features, because as an experienced wormer, you would like to see new things done. But deep down you know it's exhausted, and all that can be done now are major gameplay tweaks that won't come off well. It's difficult to let it go. Releasing these new, simplified versions introduces people to the game, but it also keeps it alive.

Oh, and it also makes money for Team17, which they need to keep the forum and servers running.

So yes, you can display your disappointment if it makes you feel better, but it's devotion to the series that has caused you to buy the game without reading reviews of it first. Or you read crap reviews. You could always trade it in.

[Plasma]

So yes, you can display your disappointment if it makes you feel better, but it's devotion to the series that has caused you to buy the game without reading reviews of it first. Or you read crap reviews. You could always trade it in.
Actually, he never got the game in the first place.
He just wanted to complain anyway.

[Squirminator2k]

Like oh so many people on this forum.

[Shadowmoon]

Actually, he never got the game in the first place.
He just wanted to complain anyway.

Who is that directed at?:-/

[yakuza]

Actually, he never got the game in the first place.
He just wanted to complain anyway.

I assume "he" means me.

I guess you were lost in translation whilst trying to have a free go at me.
Wormatty is talking in general, not about me, my review (if I ever did one) or my dissapointment (which I never even stated on this thread).

And even if what you said applied, I don't see how it would be relevant, if you're trying to put the value of my opinion down I suggest you do so with arguments, not with irrelevant points, such as me not owning the game. Goes without saying you can have very valid opinions on things you don't own, specially when you've tried them.

[WormsME]

Looking at the press materials, screenshots etc makes me think this was not made by Team17 at all. It just looks like something a bunch of Linux lusers cobbled up just to show off their code skills. It's a mess. And i'm only talking about the visuals here.

And all you had to do was port Worms Armageddon, really. Same with the iPhone/iPad/iCrud games, really. The art direction in those is...garbage, to say the least. Sorry for the harsh words, but that's what i'm seeing here.

Oh, and hello. I'm a returning poster.