The War of the consoles!

[Plasma]

Err... both? 'sticks and triggers' I believe was roughly my wording
Ah, ok. In that case, I really don't know what you're talking about!

[*Splinter*]

Whats not to understand? Both the analogue sticks and the back button triggers need more resistance to them

[Metal Alex]

I have a game cube, andmy opinion is that the analogue sticks work fine for me...

Anyways, you are perfectly right on the back triggers. They need more resistance... heck, I sometimes am not sure if I pressed them or not.

[aaaaaaargh]

I thought the PS2 controller was the most unpractical, terrible pile o' whatsit ever when I first tried it. After a few hours of Katamari I realized it's actually pretty well designed and got used to it eventually.

Once I got back to using the Gamecube one for Twilight Princess (which is incredibly bland, by the way), its controller felt painful to use, plasticky and needlessly heavy.

[Shadowmoon]

Sorry for reviving this but i played a PS3 the first time at my uncles a bit of days ago.

I played Skate, and that game was pretty good. I can't say i think the PS3 is great, i just think its ok. Its got superb graphics, but it just doesn't have much good games.

There are a lot of games out for it though, i think.

After playing the X360 a lot lately i've changed my mind about what console i think is better. I like the X360 more. I don't have an X360, but i just think its pretty cool and the games are good. Here's the position i'd put them in as my best consoles.

1. X360
2. Wii
3. PS3

Another good thing about the X360 is that its online play is immense.

[yakuza]

Do you reckon the fact that you've only played one PS3 game might have influenced your list?

[super_frea]

One very good game I might add.

[Kelster23]

Playstation 3 probably will get better, but I really can't give a time when. I say when God of War III comes out...

[Shadowmoon]

Do you reckon the fact that you've only played one PS3 game might have influenced your list?

But it was a very good game. Forget tony hawk, that game is better.

And playstation 3's and X360's will be coming off the shelves more faster, now that GTA IV is out.

[super_frea]

That is undoubtably true. I know a boy that bought a PS3 just for GTA IV. I tried to advise him to get a 360 for Halo and such, but he did not listen.

[Kelster23]

Reviving to say some stuff about the posts in the playing thread.
I figured they'd sit better here.



I believe that a console that appeals to a higher number of people isn't really a better console that one that appears to a higher number of gamers.

You see, that's what I've been trying to tell Plasma.

Of course. Of course they do. But do they have originality? no. The wii is the first console i've ever saw to be so original, i've never heard of a console with motion sensor controls.
The Guitar controllers have somewhat of motion sensor, but not that strong.


Currently it will be "the best" to the world, and thats what i was saying. I was saying it is the best, because its currently the most sold next-gen console so far. It appeals to children, and also family.... the X360 will appeal to grown up gamers. So will the PS3.
Right. The 360 appeals to all ages, just not necessarily the games.
The wii seems to be for people under the age of 10 imo.

And the PS3 is just a stupid rip-off, the X360 is good, yeah, i've played one at my cousins. And i do think its the best next-gen console to me. But currently, the wii is the best next-gen console to the world, and that is not in my opinion.
PS3 is pretty good if you think about it. You get a Blu-Ray player and an internet browser. Oh, you can also play games on it.

My favourite console is the PSP- none of the next gens.
handheld*


The wii is selling like mad because it appeals to children and family. And also some older kids.

Basically, the wii fits into every group, the grown-ups, the children and family.
The wii is also selling like mad because it's about half as much as the other two. Welfare Wii! :p


And i bet Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo all want to make loads of money. Thats probably the only reason they make them- money. And that shall be the reason you'd make them (if you could) too.
Well, yes. That's the only reason why anybody makes anything.



I bet you have a very stupid and weird taste in something, and i'd love to hear what it is.

Well, people have different tastes. Remember that.
You make me laugh :p


So, little kids who are about 8 or 7 (not knowing what good games really are) are idiots?

And Mario Galaxy, and Super Smash bros. brawl, are very good games.

I disagree with this opinion.
No. Little kids know that if it's colorful, isn't bloody (for the most part, so many are wanting to play Halo :p) has lots of voices it's good.
I don't know. Mario's getting pretty old for me. Luigi should come along and kick him in the ****. Come on Nintendo, get some new ideas and maybe you'll get a fan back. Just get rid of that pile you call a console.

I'm open for debate. ;p

[Shadowmoon]

I will admit that the wii is now boring, but it does not suck, imo.

I am getting bored of my wii, and am wanting an X360.

[Plasma]

Ho hum. Well, considering there's a thread here:
My favourite console is the PSP- none of the next gens.
Actually, both the PSP and DS are also next-gen consoles.

You see, that's what I've been trying to tell Plasma.
Yes, you told me. Several times over. And I still think it's more of a mix of the two.
Mostly because, by definition, anyone who does have a console and plays it is a gamer too, albeit only a small bit.

Right. The 360 appeals to all ages, just not necessarily the games.
Umm... wait, you mean the console, without any games, appeals to all ages? What?

PS3 is pretty good if you think about it. You get a Blu-Ray player and an internet browser. Oh, you can also play games on it.
Wii has an internet browser too, don't forget.

handheld*
...are consoles, yes.

Mario's getting pretty old for me. Luigi should come along and kick him in the ****. Come on Nintendo, get some new ideas and maybe you'll get a fan back. Just get rid of that pile you call a console.
That entire line is why I never took you seriously when it came to videogames:
1: Nintendo are not going to scrap the biggest, best-selling franchise in videogame history just because it's old.
2: They are most certainly not going to stop selling a console so that they can focus on making more games for a non-existant one.

[yakuza]

Yes, you told me. Several times over. And I still think it's more of a mix of the two.
Mostly because, by definition, anyone who does have a console and plays it is a gamer too, albeit only a small bit.

So anyone that kicks a ball is a footballer?

[MtlAngelus]

So anyone that kicks a ball is a footballer?

That depends on why you are kicking the ball. If you kick a ball around following football rules then you are by definition a footballer, although most people will only use the term when referring to professional players. But there is no such thing as professional gaming so I suppose anyone who plays games is a gamer.

[bonz]

But there is no such thing as professional gaming
There is!
A lot of people can actually live from the income of all their sponsoring contracts.
Just have a look at Korea.

[yakuza]

Korean starcraft pros are national idols. Youtube for it.

[MtlAngelus]

There is!
A lot of people can actually live from the income of all their sponsoring contracts.
Just have a look at Korea.
Well yes, but I feel that's like having professional thumb-wrestling, or professional air-guitar. :p

[shadowman]

I will admit that the wii is now boring, but it does not suck, imo.

I am getting bored of my wii, and am wanting an X360.

If I were your parent I would strike you for saying that.

You're not supposed to get bored of something that costs hundreds of pounds.
And, by far the Sega Genesis was the best console ever. The dreamcast was nice, but Yao Ming must've designed the controls.

[super_frea]

Nintendo 64 was superior in my opinion. And the Dreamcast could have been amazing.

I have a Wii. I love it.
But if I had the money I would have bought a 360.

[Plasma]

You're not supposed to get bored of something that costs hundreds of pounds.
And, by far the Sega Genesis was the best console ever. The dreamcast was nice, but Yao Ming must've designed the controls.
I can't get my Genesis to work on my TV.
:(
But it does work.

[yakuza]

I can't get my Genesis to work on my TV.
:(
But it does work.

That sounded like a Shadowmoon post.

[Metal Alex]

The Wii is a nice console, but it needs better games.

Just imagine Little Big Planet with the wiimote. The Wii needs more stuff like that. Currently, it's simply stuck without any more good games. And the only good games already here don't really have replay value. Maybe Brawl a bit, but you get my point.

[Muzer]

I can't get my Genesis to work on my TV.
http://forum.team17.co.uk/images/newsmilies/sad.gif
But it does work.
What is the problem with it? Do you just get a blank screen? Which TV type is the megadrive (I'm talking UHF/VHF here) and which do TVs in Ireland use?

[Shadowmoon]

If I were your parent I would strike you for saying that.

You're not supposed to get bored of something that costs hundreds of pounds.
And, by far the Sega Genesis was the best console ever. The dreamcast was nice, but Yao Ming must've designed the controls.

Shut up.

You don't know how much i get, so you can shut up.

Once you start to know how lucky i am, say that. But you can't, so shut up. The games i want for wii are too expensive, AND I DO NOT GET MUCH GAMES!

That sounded like a Shadowmoon post.

Yakuza.

Some people don't know much as you.

Learn that.

Or shut up.

And before you say: Yes, but would you get bored of an X360? No, i wouldn't. My cousin is very lucky, and has about 20 games for his 360, and he will let me borrow them. He lets me borrow a lot of stuff, and i get on with him very well.

Sorry if i over-reacted here, but i don't like people saying stuff when they don't know how lucky i am for a start, and i'm getting so fed up of yakuza's impatience, and him not been considerate, that i'm going to act the same way to him.

[Plasma]

Just imagine Little Big Planet with the wiimote. The Wii needs more stuff like that. Currently, it's simply stuck without any more good games. And the only good games already here don't really have replay value. Maybe Brawl a bit, but you get my point.
Well, they're making a Spore game for the Wii, that could be good!

Actually, it could be very good, if they manage to make the Wii-mote act as a three-dimensional cursor for designing creations with.

That sounded like a Shadowmoon post.
I like to be different now and again.

What is the problem with it? Do you just get a blank screen?
It suffers from the common case of "NotComingUpOnAnyChannel-ius". The medical community has yet to find a cure for it.
Really though, I know it's connected up properly because all channels go half-static when turned on, like they always did with my Genesis. Plus, it works with both the older family TV (which is now gone) and the newer family TV (which I'm not allowed use for gaming) so it should work for the in-between TV.

And it's not the AV channel, before you suggest that.

[Muzer]

The games i want for wii are too expensive, AND I DO NOT GET MUCH GAMES!
Like games for any other platform are cheaper...

[Plasma]

Like games for any other platform are cheaper...
You missed where he said:
My cousin is very lucky, and has about 20 games for his 360, and he will let me borrow them. He lets me borrow a lot of stuff,

Actually, on that matter, are Wii games generally cheaper than 360/PS3 games where you lot live too? Here, a typical Wii game costs €50, while typical 360/PS3 games cost €70.

[Muzer]

It suffers from the common case of "NotComingUpOnAnyChannel-ius". The medical community has yet to find a cure for it.
Really though, I know it's connected up properly because all channels go half-static when turned on, like they always did with my Genesis. Plus, it works with both the older family TV (which is now gone) and the newer family TV (which I'm not allowed use for gaming) so it should work for the in-between TV.
So, it works on two other TVs, but not that one? Are you sure you have searched through all the channels in tuning? (If Ireland uses UHF like us, it would probably use Channel 36). Is there any other reason why it wouldn't work (maybe if the UHF/VHF-ness changed in Ireland or something, I have no idea, or if it is from abroad...)

Actually, on that matter, are Wii games generally cheaper than 360/PS3 games where you lot live too? Here, a typical Wii game costs €50, while typical 360/PS3 games cost €70.
Yes. UK, Wii games are often £40 to £45, X360/PS3 games are often £50 to sometimes even £60. Of course, there are loads of exceptions for all 3 consoles, but that is in my experience the cost of mainstream games in ordinary retail (ie Gamestation and Game)

[Liketyspli]

Well yes, but I feel that's like having professional thumb-wrestling, or professional air-guitar. :pI agree. Though, professional thumb-wrestling and professional air-guitar make me laugh. "Professional gaming" makes me cry.

[Plasma]

So, it works on two other TVs, but not that one? Are you sure you have searched through all the channels in tuning? (If Ireland uses UHF like us, it would probably use Channel 36). Is there any other reason why it wouldn't work (maybe if the UHF/VHF-ness changed in Ireland or something, I have no idea, or if it is from abroad...)
I sure hope it doesn't use Channel 36, because my one only goes to 30! (the older one only went to 12, IIRC it was channel 6 then)
And yes, we use UHF since 1978, although there are still some VHF allocations. But the console comes with an RF Unit anyway (no, it doesn't say what frequency it changes).

[Muzer]

I sure hope it doesn't use Channel 36, because my one only goes to 30! (the older one only went to 12, IIRC it was channel 6 then)
Are you sure you are looking at the actual channel in the tuning, rather than in the actual installed channels (ie, you are actually trying to tune it rather than just flicking through the already-tuned channels...)

[Shadowmoon]

Like games for any other platform are cheaper...

So PS1 games are about £40.00, are they?

And gameboy advance games?

And gameboy colour games?

And PS2 games?

Well, they're making a Spore game for the Wii, that could be good!

I hope it comes out before christmas.

Actually, on that matter, are Wii games generally cheaper than 360/PS3 games where you lot live too? Here, a typical Wii game costs €50, while typical 360/PS3 games cost €70.

In the UK, its like this......

Wii- Maximum £39.99. I've never saw any game with a higher price than that. Well, Guitar hero is an exception, but only because of the guitar.

X360- Usually £50.00. Never saw a game higher than that, but again, Guitar hero would be an exception.

PS3- Usually £50.00.

And of course, some games would be a higher price, as there are some exceptions.

[Muzer]

So PS1 games are about £40.00, are they?

And gameboy advance games?

And gameboy colour games?

And PS2 games?
I think it was implied I was talking about current-gen games...

Wii- Maximum £39.99. I've never saw any game with a higher price than that. Well, Guitar hero is an exception, but only because of the guitar.
Many Wii games are £44.99 (I'm talking about retail prices here). Where abouts do you live?

[Plasma]

I'm guessing 'yes' to the tuning question, because it doesn't seem to have any sort of tuning options.
Or any options of any kind.

I don't think you quite recognise how old this TV is. (Actually, I don't know either, I just know it's 15")

[Shadowmoon]

I think it was implied I was talking about current-gen games...


Many Wii games are £44.99 (I'm talking about retail prices here). Where abouts do you live?

Up in Swansea, which is in Wales.

Also, i've not saw a game that is £44.99 yet. And if i have i don't remember seeing them.

OK, so you were talking about current-gen games, but still, wii games are about £10 cheaper than PS3/X360 games.

I'm not counting this from Tesco/Asda/morrision's, fyi. I'm counting this from Gamestation and Game.

[Muzer]

I'm guessing 'yes' to the tuning question, because it doesn't seem to have any sort of tuning options.
Or any options of any kind.

I don't think you quite recognise how old this TV is. (Actually, I don't know either, I just know it's 15")
Could you possibly take a photo of the TV in question, the remote (if present) and menu (if present). This will most likely help me tell you how to tune it...

[yakuza]

PS3 games are 50-60 euros. 70 is reserved for the first two months of a big name title.
Wii are 10 euros cheaper in all scenarios.

When you consider that PS3 games generally cost more to make and the format is more expensive I think it's pretty much justified why they are more expensive.

[Muzer]

When you consider that PS3 games generally cost more to make and the format is more expensive I think it's pretty much justified why they are more expensive.
I didn't think BDs cost much more to make, especially if you consider that even when new CDs and DVDs only cost a few quid to make...

[yakuza]

I didn't think BDs cost much more to make, especially if you consider that even when new CDs and DVDs only cost a few quid to make...

Yes they do. Because when you go to a CD, DVD, BD printer company, the BD price will be higher per unit because they haven't yet paid the machinery. They do not cost 10 euros more to make, but I never said so.

[Muzer]

do you not remember how much cd's or dvds cost when they came out? Because I recall my first DVD burner cost me something like 500 euros.
That's a burner though. The BDs themselves I assume cost very little to make once you have the press (I assume this because as I said, that is one of the reasons why CDs and DVDs were chosen, especially for gaming, the high profit. The CDs or DVDs themselves cost a lot less than cartridges. I assume the same will be true for BDs).

[yakuza]

That's a burner though. The BDs themselves I assume cost very little to make once you have the press (I assume this because as I said, that is one of the reasons why CDs and DVDs were chosen, especially for gaming, the high profit. The CDs or DVDs themselves cost a lot less than cartridges. I assume the same will be true for BDs).

Do you realize blank Blue Ray discs cost like 10 to 20 dollars? Wilst you get 10 DVDs for that price? RW ones can even cost 30 dollars. Per unit.

You can also get 40 blue ray discs for 300 dollars, that's bulk price my friend!

or 50 for 400$!

This is obviously last hand customer price and it doesn't compare to big production costs per unit but if it's more expensive for us, it's also more expensive for them in comparison. And when the production costs are higher you make the product more expensive, as a rule.

[Muzer]

Do you realize blank Blue Ray discs cost like 10 to 20 dollars? Wilst you get 10 DVDs for that price? RW ones can even cost 30 dollars. Per unit.

You can also get 40 blue ray discs for 300 dollars, that's bulk price my friend!

or 50 for 400$!
That's writables ones though, the ones for CD BD presses that are sold to companies are most likely much cheaper (as I said, I'm too lazy to do research since I think it's a bit of a waste of time to argue about this for any length).

[yakuza]

That's writables ones though, the ones for CD BD presses that are sold to companies are most likely much cheaper (as I said, I'm too lazy to do research since I think it's a bit of a waste of time to argue about this for any length).

I know what you mean but you still don't make sense at all.

Blue Ray discs are more expensive than DVDs in every possible scenario just as DVDs are more expensive than CDs, yet for some reason you want to argue that all three cost the same to companies.
Whatever.

[Oft99]

When it comes to discussions like this, I don't really have an opinion. Wii is the only one I own. I have only briefly played a 360 and have not touched a PS3 whatsoever. For these reasons I try not to make any judgements.
The same goes from me and the DS vs PSP argument.

[Muzer]

I know what you mean but you still don't make sense at all.

Blue Ray discs are more expensive than DVDs in every possible scenario just as DVDs are more expensive than CDs, yet for some reason you want to argue that all three cost the same to companies.
Whatever.
Just bothered to look it up.

"According to the Blu-ray Disc Association, the overall cost of manufacturing Blu-ray Disc media will in the end be no more expensive than producing a DVD. The reduced injection molding costs (one molding machine instead of two, no birefringence problems) offset the additional cost of applying the cover layer and low cost hard-coat, while the techniques used for applying the recording layer remain the same. As production volumes increase the production costs should fall and eventually be comparable to DVDs."
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

[yakuza]

Your argument would work if future=present, sadly, it ain't that way.

Also, everyone knows Blue ray discs will eventually be as cheap as DVDs are now, the same way we knew it'd be the case when DVDs came out.

[Muzer]

I know what you mean but you still don't make sense at all.

Blue Ray discs are more expensive than DVDs in every possible scenario just as DVDs are more expensive than CDs, yet for some reason you want to argue that all three cost the same to companies.
Whatever.
How did you manage to post the same thing twice with a 5-minute interval?

[Kelster23]

Well, they're making a Spore game for the Wii, that could be good!

Actually, it could be very good, if they manage to make the Wii-mote act as a three-dimensional cursor for designing creations with.

No no no never!

You missed where he said:


Actually, on that matter, are Wii games generally cheaper than 360/PS3 games where you lot live too? Here, a typical Wii game costs €50, while typical 360/PS3 games cost €70.

I'm pretty sure they're all the same price here. Unless they're new releases/big hits.

[robowurmz]

If you're having trouble with the Genesis, I think somebody somewhere made an AV-plug converter thingy for it, so it can plug into the SCART socket.

[WormGod]

For God's sakes, shut up about consoles and talk about the ruddy PC for once.
The only reason consoles should be of any significance to people is if the publishers decide to produce a very very good game exclusively for one console. If it's on PC, you can forget anything else.

Why the bias? Well, let's say because a mouse and keyboard open up so many types of game - strategy, management, accurate FPS, easy camera movement. Try any of those with an anologue controller and you know you've made the wrong desicion. Also, the games are really cheap, and they're getting cheaper. If they don't cost £5, they'll cost nothing, thanks to the indie scene and Flash/Internet gaming. Oh, yeah, and the PC can do Internet, Flash, and is the only platform to be able to type. Forget pointing at the letters or scrolling down an elaborate list of characters, the PC is king.

And, of course, with the right gear, you'll be able to have better graphics than the X360 and PS3 combined.

[shadowman]

The PC is my favourite by far.

[Metal Alex]

PC has the option of modding, wich adds a lot, and if I have a Wii, it's because I can do things that the computer doesn't let me. An example is first person shooters, like half life. See all the mods, and the mouse control is simply fantastic. Try to do that with a standard controler. The wiimote gets near to it, but I still prefer the mouse.

[Plasma]

PC would win, hands down. But most of us already have one (except for Thomas, for shame!), so there's not much point on pointing that out.

Well, let's say because a mouse and keyboard open up so many types of game
First person to say that consoles can use mice and keyboards too gets a kick in the teeth.

[Metal Alex]

First person to say that consoles can use mice and keyboards too gets a kick in the teeth.

Ironically, that'd be you.

[Kelster23]

PC would win, hands down. But most of us already have one (except for Thomas, for shame!), so there's not much point on pointing that out.


First person to say that consoles can use mice and keyboards too gets a kick in the teeth.

Well, the Xbox360 can get a mini keyboard to plug into the controllers to use for Windows Live :p.

[Shadowmoon]

The PC is a platform. Not a console.

Check wikipedia.

[yakuza]

For God's sakes, shut up about consoles and talk about the ruddy PC for once.
The only reason consoles should be of any significance to people is if the publishers decide to produce a very very good game exclusively for one console. If it's on PC, you can forget anything else.

Why the bias? Well, let's say because a mouse and keyboard open up so many types of game - strategy, management, accurate FPS, easy camera movement. Try any of those with an anologue controller and you know you've made the wrong desicion. Also, the games are really cheap, and they're getting cheaper. If they don't cost £5, they'll cost nothing, thanks to the indie scene and Flash/Internet gaming. Oh, yeah, and the PC can do Internet, Flash, and is the only platform to be able to type. Forget pointing at the letters or scrolling down an elaborate list of characters, the PC is king.

And, of course, with the right gear, you'll be able to have better graphics than the X360 and PS3 combined.


You need something like a 1.000€ tower to be able to run games with the power of PS3, which cost half the price. Consoles are also more practical for party gaming.

[franpa]

A 1,000 pound computer? geezus I didn't know you needed such a heavy computer ;)

[yakuza]

A 1,000 pound computer? geezus I didn't know you needed such a heavy computer ;)

This would be funny if it didn't reveal your ignorance on currencies. Actually, it wouldn't.

[Plasma]

The PC is a platform. Not a console.
Well, the Xbox360 can get a mini keyboard to plug into the controllers to use for Windows Live :p.
a 1.000€ tower
A 1,000 pound computer? geezus I didn't know you needed such a heavy computer ;)

This thread makes me cry inside...

[yakuza]

This thread makes me cry inside...

Wait, are you genuinely disagreeing with my statement or just commenting on franpa's "joke"? Because if it's the former I'd like to hear why.

[Plasma]

Wait, are you genuinely disagreeing with my statement or just commenting on franpa's "joke"? Because if it's the former I'd like to hear why.
No, just sobbing over how Franpa screwed up, yet again.
Although just for the tower alone, I'd have said €800 - €900 one would be the equivilent to a PS3 at the moment.

Of course, the reason people do buy that much for a computer rather than a cheaper console is because it does a whole lot more too.

[shadowman]

The PC is a platform. Not a console.

Check wikipedia.

Because Wikipedia is always right, and people can't use obviously interchangeable words anymore?

Quite frankly, my PC was one of the cheaper models and I've rigged it to play all sorts of stuff.

[yakuza]

Although just for the tower alone, I'd have said €800 - €900 one would be the equivilent to a PS3 at the moment.



Well, 800€ would be a bit on the short side, you have to take into account the PS3 uses a Blue Ray player (which I didn't take into account in my estimation.)

[Paul.Power]

For God's sakes, shut up about consoles and talk about the ruddy PC for once.
The only reason consoles should be of any significance to people is if the publishers decide to produce a very very good game exclusively for one console. If it's on PC, you can forget anything else.

Why the bias? Well, let's say because a mouse and keyboard open up so many types of game - strategy, management, accurate FPS, easy camera movement. Try any of those with an anologue controller and you know you've made the wrong desicion. Also, the games are really cheap, and they're getting cheaper. If they don't cost £5, they'll cost nothing, thanks to the indie scene and Flash/Internet gaming. Oh, yeah, and the PC can do Internet, Flash, and is the only platform to be able to type. Forget pointing at the letters or scrolling down an elaborate list of characters, the PC is king.

And, of course, with the right gear, you'll be able to have better graphics than the X360 and PS3 combined.
On that note, handhelds. I've owned a grand total of three consoles over the course of my life (Mega Drive, PSone, Wii), and one of them was built into a PC anyway. In contrast, I've owned four handhelds (original Game Boy, GB Colour, GB Advance, DS). Saying that, I've also owned... seven?... PCs, three of them laptops.

[Shadowmoon]

Because Wikipedia is always right, and people can't use obviously interchangeable words anymore?

Quite frankly, my PC was one of the cheaper models and I've rigged it to play all sorts of stuff.

I believe Wikipedia is often right, yeah.

[bonz]

I believe Wikipedia is often right, yeah.
Anonymous proxy + disposable webmail = Wikipedia account that can edit everything to be the truth. :-/

[Kelster23]

This thread makes me cry inside...


First person to say that consoles can use mice and keyboards too gets a kick in the teeth.

That's all you said, and I pointed out that Xbox360 does in fact have a keyboard :rolleyes: you just didn't say for what purpose.

[Shadowmoon]

Anonymous proxy + disposable webmail = Wikipedia account that can edit everything to be the truth. :-/

Someone would have noticed if it was true by now.:rolleyes:

So it IS a platform!

[Muzer]

Someone would have noticed if it was true by now.http://forum.team17.co.uk/images/newsmilies/rolleyes.gif

So it IS a platform!
It might be more than one thing...

Also, if a computer is not a console, then what is a PS3 running PSUbuntu?

[*Splinter*]

Also, if a computer is not a console, then what is a PS3 running PSUbuntu?

Awesome? :rolleyes:

[Squirminator2k]

An effectively bricked PS3?

[Shadowmoon]

It might be more than one thing...

Also, if a computer is not a console, then what is a PS3 running PSUbuntu?

A Mystery.

Which means: I haven't the faintest idea.

[Muzer]

An effectively bricked PS3?
Wrong, you can boot the PS3 system or the Ubuntu system. You can always boot the PS3 system by holding the power button (when it is off), or by typing something at the prompt (this varies).

[Squirminator2k]

Wrong, you can boot the PS3 system or the Ubuntu system. You can always boot the PS3 system by holding the power button (when it is off), or by typing something at the prompt (this varies).

Really? Interesting. I've been meaning to look into Linux on the PS3 but I assumed it would override the proprietary firmware.

[Muzer]

The only annoying thing is that if you want to reboot into linux, you must go into the settings and tell it to boot the other OS. You have to do this every time you actually boot into the PS3 itself (if you last booted into linux, it is unneeded).

[robowurmz]

Gotta love slapping Linux in every available area. Including iPods. The iPod Linux distribution is able to play both DooM and DooM II (and any total conversions of course) almost flawlessly. Which is pretty good going for a hand-held multimedia device.

[Shadowmoon]

*Revival time*

My opinions on the consoles have changed drastically. Now, I think an X360 is the best, having awesome xbox live, loads of great games, achievements, and good graphics.

A PS3 is good too. I've tried it quite a few times, playing Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and GTA 4, and some game demo's. If I could have my way, the PS3 would be in my room with the X360. I think I'd enjoy it, probably not as much as I would enjoy an X360, but I'd definitely get one.

I don't really like how you have to pay for games on the PSN store though, most of the time I can't buy stuff with my moms credit card, it would be better if they had points like the wii and X360 do.

As for the wii.... I think it sucks. It's being left in the dust for months now, there isn't much good games, most of the games I see are for children :P yes, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart and SSBB are great, but apart from that there isn't much games I'd get, and the hideously overrated wii sports sucks.

I don't think the wii compares to the PS3 and X360 at all. I've brought 1 game this year, Sonic and the secret rings, and next year it's likely to be 1 game again- Super Mario Galaxy 2.

[Kelster23]

I like my PS3 a lot more than my Xbox 360, actually.
The internet browser's not too shabby, watching movies on it is fun 8D
Lately it's been mainly Gargoyles.

Though that Platinum Trophy for InFamous is a ***** because of the shards >:C

[FutureWorm]

*Revival time*

My opinions on the consoles have changed drastically. Now, I think an X360 is the best, having awesome xbox live, loads of great games, achievements, and good graphics.

A PS3 is good too. I've tried it quite a few times, playing Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and GTA 4, and some game demo's. If I could have my way, the PS3 would be in my room with the X360. I think I'd enjoy it, probably not as much as I would enjoy an X360, but I'd definitely get one.

I don't really like how you have to pay for games on the PSN store though, most of the time I can't buy stuff with my moms credit card, it would be better if they had points like the wii and X360 do.

As for the wii.... I think it sucks. It's being left in the dust for months now, there isn't much good games, most of the games I see are for children :P yes, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart and SSBB are great, but apart from that there isn't much games I'd get, and the hideously overrated wii sports sucks.

I don't think the wii compares to the PS3 and X360 at all. I've brought 1 game this year, Sonic and the secret rings, and next year it's likely to be 1 game again- Super Mario Galaxy 2.
nobody cares about your opinions, hope this helps :)

[Shadowmoon]

Thanks for the kind and provocative words.

And yeah, watching movies is great on a PS3. I always thought a PS3 was over-priced, but It is actually cheap for what it has.

[Akuryou13]

PS3 ftw these days. it's not getting all that MANY games, but all of them are actually GOOD, as opposed to the sea of crap the 360 is getting (and let's not talk about the great Dreary Ocean that is the Wii's lineup).

the wii is turning out to be as craptastic as the GC before it. but where i traded in my GC, I'm not likely to do that with my wii. so I guess it's marginally better.

[yakuza]

The only difference between two years ago and today is that two years ago I knew the PS3 was good and some peple are just slower.

[*Splinter*]

The only difference between two years ago and today is that two years ago I knew the PS3 was good and some peple are just slower.

zing .

[SupSuper]

The only difference between two years ago and today is that two years ago I knew the PS3 was good and some peple are just slower.The only difference between two years ago and today is that the PS3 is actually affordable now.

[yakuza]

The only difference between two years ago and today is that the PS3 is actually affordable now.

And yet that's subject to the consumer and not the product. Because it's always been value for money.

[SupSuper]

Yes but the "some peple are just slower" probably couldn't afford it two years ago, while every other console has stayed within average consumer range. It could be worth $2000 for all it mattered and yet almost nobody would buy it.

[Plasma]

and let's not talk about the great Dreary Ocean that is the Wii's lineup
In terms of big retail games, there's nothing much (there's the two Mario games, but that's largely about it). But there's a surprising number of remakes of notably good old games coming out! Cave Story, Oregon Trail, A Boy And His Blob [actually, that's out TODAY in the US], Toribash, La-Mulana, Earthworm Jim, and Clayfighter, to name a few (aka: the ones that I could find)


Actually, I didn't even know they were doing a remake of Earthworm Jim until I looked it up!

[yakuza]

Yes but the "some peple are just slower" probably couldn't afford it two years ago, while every other console has stayed within average consumer range. It could be worth $2000 for all it mattered and yet almost nobody would buy it.

Or maybe they were infact slower?

[Muzer]

In terms of big retail games, there's nothing much (there's the two Mario games, but that's largely about it). But there's a surprising number of remakes of notably good old games coming out! Cave Story, Oregon Trail, A Boy And His Blob [actually, that's out TODAY in the US], Toribash, La-Mulana, Earthworm Jim, and Clayfighter, to name a few (aka: the ones that I could find)


Actually, I didn't even know they were doing a remake of Earthworm Jim until I looked it up!
Wow, they're doing a remake of EWJ?

[Plasma]

Wow, they're doing a remake of EWJ?
Yeah. And for XBLA and PSN too.
By Gameloft.


I didn't check that list to see if all of them were coming out on other consoles, by the way. I was just making a statement that the Wii is getting an influx of remakes coming.

[Akuryou13]

In terms of big retail games, there's nothing much (there's the two Mario games, but that's largely about it). But there's a surprising number of remakes of notably good old games coming out! Cave Story, Oregon Trail, A Boy And His Blob [actually, that's out TODAY in the US], Toribash, La-Mulana, Earthworm Jim, and Clayfighter, to name a few (aka: the ones that I could find)


Actually, I didn't even know they were doing a remake of Earthworm Jim until I looked it up!wasn't referring to the virtual console games. PLENTY of downloadables on the wii worth playing. I was thinking of full-price comes-in-a-box games.

[franpa]

Wiiware titles aren't VC titles...

[super_frea]

Though that Platinum Trophy for InFamous is a ***** because of the shards >:C

Yeah I gave up even attempting Platinum for that game a long, long time ago.

[Akuryou13]

Wiiware titles aren't VC titles...meh. I just kinda lump them together under one title in my head. sorry. either way my point remains.

[Plasma]

either way my point remains.
Well no, your point was that there were hardly any notable Wii games coming out, not 'not a lot of good Wii games come in boxes'.

[Akuryou13]

Well no, your point was that there were hardly any notable Wii games coming out, not 'not a lot of good Wii games come in boxes'.what I meant was that the point I made wasn't so much considering the wiiware games. I don't really keep track of them all that much, so I don't have an opinion on their quality. I know there are a few good games on the list, so I can't discount them as a whole like I did the boxed wii games. even there, though, there aren't that overly many great games to my knowledge. a few hidden gems once in a while but the majority are simply decent. for instance, I would hardly consider an oregon trail remake to be noteworthy.

[MtlAngelus]

I can name about a dozen Wii games I haven't gotten that I want to play. But most on them aren't as high on my list as 360/PS3 games. :p

Also my Wii glitches out on 3d games. I'm thinking about replacing it, but I'll first have to check if Nintendo would be kind enough to transfer my wiiware/VC purchases to the new console. But that would only happen after I have a PS3 and maybe a hd tv. :p

[Paul.Power]

I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter too much to me because my platform priorities for a couple of years now have been:

1. PC
2. Nintendo DS
3. Wii

And to be honest, that's kind of how it's always been, from:

1. PC
2. Game Boy
3. Mega Drive

through:

1. PC
2. Game Boy Colour/Advance
3. PSone

to what it is now. I've always put the PC first, whatever Nintendo handheld was around at the time a close second, and - if I even had one at the time - a "TV" console third. Heck, my Mega Drive wasn't even strictly a "TV" console because it was built into my PC (good ol' Amstrad Mega PC). And the reason I got a PSone over a PSX was because it was smaller and... well, more handheld-y (and eventually I got the flip-top screen and it stopped being a "TV" console).

So ultimately, while I'm kind of annoyed that the Wii hasn't been the awesome thing I hoped it would be, I'm not really that put out. Oh well.

[yakuza]

I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter too much to me because my platform priorities for a couple of years now have been:

1. PC
2. Nintendo DS
3. Wii

And to be honest, that's kind of how it's always been, from:

1. PC
2. Game Boy
3. Mega Drive

through:

1. PC
2. Game Boy Colour/Advance
3. PSone

to what it is now. I've always put the PC first, whatever Nintendo handheld was around at the time a close second, and - if I even had one at the time - a "TV" console third. Heck, my Mega Drive wasn't even strictly a "TV" console because it was built into my PC (good ol' Amstrad Mega PC). And the reason I got a PSone over a PSX was because it was smaller and... well, more handheld-y (and eventually I got the flip-top screen and it stopped being a "TV" console).

So ultimately, while I'm kind of annoyed that the Wii hasn't been the awesome thing I hoped it would be, I'm not really that put out. Oh well.

You're clearly biased by your hate towards televisions

[Kelster23]

Yeah I gave up even attempting Platinum for that game a long, long time ago.

Should I feel ashamed that I know I have more 50% of them and have to be getting close to all of them? They're getting a lot less common.

[Paul.Power]

You're clearly biased by your hate towards televisions

That's actually fairly accurate: I don't watch much telly.

[b1llygo4t]

this has my vote.

http://openpandora.org/

i hate tvs aswell

[yakuza]

this has my vote.

http://openpandora.org/

i hate tvs aswell


These never work. Whilst in theory they're feature rich great high tech handhelds they never have the support of game developers for using non mainstream producin tools and formats.

It's always safer to develop a recipe book with a gimmick for the gameboy than to build an awesome game full of resources for some obscure handheld.

[Plasma]

Plus, it costs €330; Twice as expensive as a PSP, but is still notably less powerful.

gameboy
Sorry Yakuza, you appear to be caught in a time warp again.

[Shadowmoon]

The PSP Go is about £249.00. Thats about £50 less from the same price as a PS3. Which is a hell of a lot better.


What.

[yakuza]

The PSP Go is about £249.00. Thats about £50 less from the same price as a PS3. Which is a hell of a lot better.


What.

You realize micro technology is more expensive right? Laptops/Desktops are another example of this. Nintendo 64 vs Nintedo DS is another.

[Akuryou13]

You realize micro technology is more expensive right? Laptops/Desktops are another example of this. Nintendo 64 vs Nintedo DS is another.ok, so that's a bad example of WHY the go is overpriced. do you really disagree that it IS overpriced!?

[yakuza]

ok, so that's a bad example of WHY the go is overpriced. do you really disagree that it IS overpriced!?


A bad example? What the hell? The guy was wondering why handhelds were so closely priced to home consoles that are give better game performance, and I gave him the most logical answer.
No, I don't think a handheld playstation1.5 that costs 250 dollars is overpriced, it's at the right price for the exclusivity priority window, that allows people who are willing to pay that price to get it before the others, note that my definition of overpriced is completely comercial, not just "wow that's too expensive for my pocket *complaints on the internet*". In fact, in a production cost to final client sale price ratio percentage the clothes you're wearing are probably more overpriced. Do you know how much the new litium battery costs to produce? Just wondering.

[Akuryou13]

A bad example? What the hell? The guy was wondering why handhelds were so closely priced to home consoles that are give better game performance, and I gave him the most logical answer. I was referring to his example, for the record. and also I seem to have interpretted his comment differently. probably incorrectly.

No, I don't think a handheld playstation1.5 that costs 250 dollars is overpriced, it's at the right price for the exclusivity priority window, that allows people who are willing to pay that price to get it before the others, note that my definition of overpriced is completely comercial, not just "wow that's too expensive for my pocket *complaints on the internet*". In fact, in a production cost to final client sale price ratio percentage the clothes you're wearing are probably more overpriced. Do you know how much the new litium battery costs to produce? Just wondering.not arguing the production costs as I don't know it any more than you do. arguing the value when compared to the normal PSP. $70 extra for a slightly larger screen and the inability to use your physical disks is a bit silly. if the production costs for the smaller harware is what's causing that price difference, then it seems to me like the go isn't cost-efficient. I just don't see any reason to buy one, myself. my opinion seems to be shared by a large portion of people who like to "complaints on the internets".

and as for your lithium battery? everything I've seen says the go's battery life is about on par with the 3000. if the battery is more expensive for the same result, that's just a bad decision.

[yakuza]

by a large portion of people who like to "complaints on the internets".

and as for your lithium battery? everything I've seen says the go's battery life is about on par with the 3000. if the battery is more expensive for the same result, that's just a bad decision.

You've seen wrong.

The battery is better, the disc format is better, the screen is MUCH better.

These three things are all very expensive.

[Akuryou13]

The battery is better in what way? every review site says the battery life is still the same average of 3-5 hours.
the disc format is better you mean complete lack of. I'll take my ability to trade games back in or rent them over nothing but digital downloads.
the screen is MUCH better.and again: in what way?
These three things are all very expensive.obviously, but I've yet to see the review about the Go that describes any one of the 3 as being significantly improved over the 3000.

[b1llygo4t]

Plus, it costs €330; Twice as expensive as a PSP, but is still notably less powerful.

it is $330 USD, and is much more powerful than a psp. people pay (or have payed) that much for itouch/iphone/psp that do 1/10 the stuff.

These never work. Whilst in theory they're feature rich great high tech handhelds they never have the support of game developers for using non mainstream producin tools and formats.

its the first of its kind in that it runs a full linux distro. all old school games are already emulated on linux up to cps3 and n64, there are dreamcast, psp, and ds emulators in the works. it is not meant to have commercial games developed for it. it runs quake 3 and doom 3 just fine. decent homebrew games are coming out on linux all the time, other than that there is no more "support" needed.


It's always safer to develop a recipe book with a gimmick for the gameboy than to build an awesome game full of resources for some obscure handheld.

unlike hacking a proprietary game systems, you dont have to hack this. no one will release firmware updates that will brick your system or stop you from doing what you want with it. the emulators are all legal so they are easily obtained and well documented publicly.

it does all the basic things you would expect a computer to do, and its the size of a DS. nothing is as portable that can do the level of emulation it does. netbooks/notebooks dont compare because they are much larger and you have to carry a controller around with them if you want to be any good at the games your playing. this has a controller built in as well as a touch screen the same size as the psp's screen but a higher resolution. AND it has a 10 hour battery. it has no moving parts, the linux distro and apps are stored in internal 512, and it has 2 sdhd ports capped at 32 gigs and usb. it has t.v. out and all new gen system controllers are already supported in linux (mabe not the wiimote without wine).

and with wine you should be able to play W:A on it.

[Plasma]

it is $330 USD
Typo. A PSP 3000 is still $170.

and is much more powerful than a psp.
Yeah, sorry, it is. I over-estimated the PSP's own specs. That being said, requiring an OS to run programs really does cut resources! There's a reason it only has "can run Quake 3" as a boasting statement.

it runs quake 3 and doom 3 just fine.
Seriously?
You expect a 600MHz processor, 256MB ram computer to be able to run Doom 3? Seriously?



I mean, it does sound like something cool were it, in any way, a new concept. It's not.
It's really not. (http://www.hpcfactor.com/hardware/devices/)
The fact that Windows CE is already up to version 6.0 sorta hammers in that point!
The only new thing about it is that it uses Linux. And that it has analog sticks. That's pretty much it!

[b1llygo4t]

well actualy it uses a tailored linux angstrom OS which is the equiv of WinCE so thats not new. and i think sears pong had built in controllers, so thats not new.

im not going to argue over how original this concept is. its an open source handheld video game system project focused on legacy and homebrew gaming. in the computer world very little is original, it comes down to the execution of existing technologies to give people new experiences.

heres doom 3 running on an Athlon XP 2070mhz (11.5x180) with 256MB RAM running win 98. http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462

[MrBunsy]

heres doom 3 running on an Athlon XP 2070mhz (11.5x180) with 256MB RAM running win 98. http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462

I can't find any figures for the ARM Cortex 8, but I'm willing to bet that the old athlon probably trumps it in terms of FLOPS. Also, different architecture so unless there's an id tech4 arm client you're gonna have some problems there.

Quake 3 would probably be fine though.

[b1llygo4t]

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html

doom 3 running on a pandora would also require patching and optimization.

here is some quake 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsclXxxjxVg&feature=player_embedded

[MrBunsy]

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html

doom 3 running on a pandora would also require patching and optimization.

doobe doobe dooo

this page (http://www.roylongbottom.org.uk/dhrystone%20results.html) recons the Dhrystone MIPS of the athlon is either ~4000 or ~1500. The official A8 page says it's 2000. So either the althon is twice as powerful or slightly less powerful, either way when you take into account the different architecture and lack of access to source for doom 3 (yet) it's unlikely it'd run on the pandora.

procastination ftw.

[b1llygo4t]

id tech4 will be released in 2010 when id tech5 game "rage" is released.