PS 2 (or PS3) IN USA

[KorNDogS]

Hello,

My XBOX died and I replaced it with a PS3 and am looking for this title. I can't find it in the US, and it appears it was not released here.

Will it be? How can I get my hands on it? Will the UK version play on a US PS3?

HELP!!!!!

I need some MAYHEM (it's so much improved over worms 3D).

Thanks.

[McMaster]

Worms 4 Mayhem doesn't work in PS3. Get PS2 instead. If you can't, buy another XBOX or buy Worms 4 : Mayhem for PC.

[quakerworm]

you might be able to play uk ps2 games on us ps3 if you are running it through hdmi. i haven't tried it, but that's probably your best bet. the system will have to change the pal/ntsc output to hd anyways, so it might not care about which one the game uses.

also, worms4 might not run on european ps3 systems, because ps2 compatibility on these was cut down to keep the price low. us ps3 units are fully backwards compatible with ps2. i don't see why mayhem wouldn't run on us ps3, other than some possible regions crap.

[Squirminator2k]

Unfortunately Worms 4: Mayhem wasn't released on the PS2 in the US, and from what I can find online about the PS3's backwards compatibility, the region encoding still stands (only PS3 games are region free).

If you have a decent-ish PC, you may want to consider investing in a copy of the PC version.

[kayne]

the ps3 in the UK backwards compatiable was cut down to save money? really how does this save money exactly? i really want to know but ya i guess you are a screwed get another xbox or even the 360 its on the backwards compatible list or get a pc worms 4 it doesnt take a big pc to run it.

[Squirminator2k]

the ps3 in the UK backwards compatiable was cut down to save money? really how does this save money exactly?

The Backwards Compatibility for the PS3 was changed in the European model from hardware-based (which involved some of the PS2 chipsets being included on the PS3 motherboard) to software-based (which used the PS3's processing power to emulate the PS2 chipset). This meant that the PS2 chips could be excluded from the European design, which saves money. Obviously.

[kayne]

The Backwards Compatibility for the PS3 was changed in the European model from hardware-based (which involved some of the PS2 chipsets being included on the PS3 motherboard) to software-based (which used the PS3's processing power to emulate the PS2 chipset). This meant that the PS2 chips could be excluded from the European design, which saves money. Obviously.


but how much money does it save in reality? does it save a measly 25 dollars or 200 dollars if its just 25 bucks it would just be worth it to include the ps2 chips for full backwards compatiblity support

[Squirminator2k]

It saves money having to manufacture the chips, manufacture the variant of the PS3 motherboard that uses the chips, soldering them into the thing... all in all that's probably a fair wedge of money on a monthly basis.

It's a moot point anyway, as Sony have always sold their consoles at a loss. They lose money for every PS3 that's sold worldwide.

[kayne]

yes but the ps2 is rather old so i have to wonder how much it actually costs i dont think itd be that much and it seems like it would have more of a benefit anyway with so many broken ps2's and im sure korndogs isnt the only guy who it would help

and every console maker sells a console at a loss i beleive the only company that doesnt is nintendo and i think thats simply because that is there entire business if they took a loss with every console sold theyd be screwed vs sony and microsoft that make money elsewhere and i think thats one reason that nintendo didnt make a powerhouse because they would go bankrupt in selling the thing

[Squirminator2k]

yes but the ps2 is rather old so i have to wonder how much it actually costs i dont think itd be that much and it seems like it would have more of a benefit anyway with so many broken ps2's and im sure korndogs isnt the only guy who it would help

You'd be surprised. Nintendo omited an ancient chipset from the Game Boy Micro to save money, which means that the Micro can't play GameBoy Classic/Color games. That was to save money too. You'd be surprised how much these things can cost, really.


and every console maker sells a console at a loss i beleive the only company that doesnt is nintendo and i think thats simply because that is there entire business if they took a loss with every console sold theyd be screwed vs sony and microsoft that make money elsewhere and i think thats one reason that nintendo didnt make a powerhouse because they would go bankrupt in selling the thing

This chunk really, really needs some punctuation. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.

The reason Sony and Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss is because they make the majority of their money from videogame and accessory sales. At least, that's the theory. Microsoft's Gaming Division has yet to turn a profit at all, but then they can afford to. Sony, on the other hand, earn most of their profits now from their Computer Entertainment division (SCE). Nintendo have always made a profit because part of their aim of ensuring that the consoles are of high-quality build but are inexpensive to manufacture.

[kayne]

i guess i would be surprised in the cost of these things even if they are old but it just seems like it would make sense if its old and been around awhile it would be kind of cheap to make. but it thought the reason the DS anyway cant play Gb and GBC games is due to it would limit the power of the DS or something like that or conflict with the DS and so they only allowed the GBA slot which could also be used to connect some other attachment if somebody made one to the DS. i beleive the DS rumble or gameshark connects through there if im not mistaken

that part you failed to understand you basically rewrote what i was trying to say but gave it more detail lol

sorry my grammar isnt great i went to south carolina schools where only 5% of highschool graduates can read of course im a drop but still you get the point. though i am in college so its not all bad

[Squirminator2k]

i guess i would be surprised in the cost of these things even if they are old but it just seems like it would make sense if its old and been around awhile it would be kind of cheap to make. but it thought the reason the DS anyway cant play Gb and GBC games is due to it would limit the power of the DS or something like that or conflict with the DS and so they only allowed the GBA slot which could also be used to connect some other attachment if somebody made one to the DS. i beleive the DS rumble or gameshark connects through there if im not mistaken

You'd be surprised. The thing about obsolete components is just that - they're obsolete. So if you're the only company in the world ordering them, it'd seem only right that the manufacturer is going to charge extra for having to make these dinosaur compotent. The compotent in question is a variation of the Zilog Z80 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog_Z80), which was a commonly-found microprocessor found in a variety of exelectronic equipment from the 70s right up until the early 90s, including the Game Boy Classic and the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive. The Z80 was included in the GameBoy Advance and GBA SP purely because it was required for backwards compatibility. That's why the GB Micro (and, you're right, the Nintendo DS) can't play GB Classic/Color games. If Nintendo had included the Z80, then it would have cost that little bit extra to manufacture, and that cost would have been passed to the consumer who might have ended up paying, say, $140 for a DS Lite instead of $130.

Now, it's a slightly different story with Sony. Sony's Emotion Engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine) and Graphic Synthesizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Synthesizer) CPUs (which were incorporated into one chip for later models of the PS2 and latterly the PS3) were designed largely in-house for use only with their products, specifically the PS2 itself. The Emotion Engine cost $285 to manufacture when the PS2 launched (according to Wikipedia) and that has likely reduced in cost over the years, but even still - not including it in the redesigned PS3 saves the cost of manufacturing the chip, plus the cost of manufacturing the original PS3 motherboard design incorporating it (less the cost of the redesigned motherboard), plus the cost of soldering the EE into the motherboard. That all adds up.

[pieman280]

Sorry korNdogS but I found out the same thing and I was disapointed:(
I think they should make a U.S version for the PS2 (PS3 cost to much I'm surprised anyone can get it) but for now try the PC. You can even tweak the game on PC :)