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ADX

3 Jan 2007, 12:30

Hi all.
Well, I'm wondering how Deadcode (and maybe CyberShadow, but don't know) got the Worms Armageddon Source Code.

Thanks ;)

Regards,
ADX

GoDxWyvern

3 Jan 2007, 12:38

By having proven exceptional coding skills, knowledge, trustworthiness and will to help the Worms community.

ADX

3 Jan 2007, 12:49

:eek: :)

But, who supplied the code?
I mean, who gives to Deadcode the sources?

GoDxWyvern

3 Jan 2007, 12:57

Well, Team17 obviously. :o

ADX

3 Jan 2007, 13:00

Oh, and they give it?
Wow...such great :D :D

AndrewTaylor

3 Jan 2007, 13:37

Oh, and they give it?

Well, not just to anyone.

Pieboy337

3 Jan 2007, 15:29

Well, not just to anyone.
I hear you must become a level 27 to be able to even confront them. I still have no mastered most of my basic skills so I am still lacking a bit behind, but perhaps someday...

bonz

3 Jan 2007, 16:56

GoDxWyvern

3 Jan 2007, 17:24

There is a rumor that the proving grounds for Deadcode were not in the field of programming but in a pub near T17 HQ.
YES! Thanks for not disappointing me! I was waiting for you to do such a remark. :D

KRD

3 Jan 2007, 20:47

Psh, doesn't Deadcode only drink Coke? Red Coke?

*Frantically looks for one of Run's smiley faces that scratches its head.*

evilworm2

3 Jan 2007, 21:23

This one would suit better: http://www.nanacide.com/images/Emoticons/munch.gif <-- Deadcode

bonz

3 Jan 2007, 21:28

Psh, doesn't Deadcode only drink Coke? Red Coke?
Hehehe! :D
Though his hair is only coloured, IIRC.

Vader

3 Jan 2007, 22:30

Hi all.
Well, I'm wondering how Deadcode (and maybe CyberShadow, but don't know) got the Worms Armageddon Source Code.

Thanks ;)

Regards,
ADX

He found it written on a postcard in the street.

Metal Alex

3 Jan 2007, 22:48

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMYD457ESD_0.html

probably in that one

ADX

4 Jan 2007, 00:23

LOL
So very hard to rewrite, or Deadcode is a robot.

Regards,
ADX

Lex

4 Jan 2007, 13:01

Deadcode got the WA source code by impressing Team17 with his program he created by reverse-engineering WA, called Silkworm. Originally, Silkworm was a program designed for exploiting WA's loopholes, which allowed crazy things to happen, like stopping time, turning landscape destructable/indestructable during the game, etc. (all possible online). Then, it was leaked and used for cheating online, so Deadcode made a new version of Silkworm which stopped the old Silkworm exploits but also added great new things to WA, like a fix for the bug which stopped WA from working on Windows 2000/XP, and some other cool stuff. How Team17 saw this and recognised Deadcode as worthy for the source code is unclear from here, but that's what happened, and they invited him to the UK for a short visit to their headquarters, at which time he met them and received the WA and WWP source code, among some other goodies (like original graphics, etc.).

If I see Deadcode soon, I may point him toward this thread.

ADX

4 Jan 2007, 13:05

Wow, its great :D

Just amazing ;)

bonz

4 Jan 2007, 13:12

some other goodies (like original graphics, etc.)
SHEEP-ON-A-ROPE!!! :eek:

Dando

4 Jan 2007, 13:33

*dons a pair of spectacles and a pipe*

yes, old boy, quite a tale this is:p

Lex

4 Jan 2007, 15:27

By the way, CyberShadow also has the WA and WWP source codes. He got them by displaying his good will and coding expertise with his many 2006 projects, such as WormKit (and its associated modules, like WormNAT and wkMagic), MyWormNET, Worms Knowledge Base, Water Color Editor, etc. I pointed CyberShadow out to Spadge in this thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30382), and they had a productive email conversation from there, which landed CyberShadow with the promise of some CDs being shipped. Now he and Deadcode are working hard on WA together. :)

Pieboy337

4 Jan 2007, 15:34

ADX

4 Jan 2007, 21:37

I am excited to see what they can both do with the code and how they will improve the game.

Yeah, you're right! ;)

These dudes are cool. They are doing very very great things for this community.
The code fall in good hands ;P

Spadge

4 Jan 2007, 21:43

The only disappointing aspect from our (and specifically my point of view) is that I just don't have the time to spend with these guys to formulate and plan stuff, but the intent is there to do more of this stuff long-term. We had much bigger plans when DC got on board and it didn't quite pan out for a few reasons (which are numerous and complex) but we'll see what happens.

As a studio 99.99% of our time is spent ensuring we work towards our contracted work - which is numerous and plentiful right now, what DC and CS are doing (iterative development) is a labour of love and something of a luxury you just seldom get.

evilworm2

4 Jan 2007, 21:46

As a studio 99.99% of our time is spent ensuring we work towards our contracted work - which is numerous and plentiful right now, what DC and CS are doing (iterative development) is a labour of love and something of a luxury you just seldom get.

We (the community) really appreciate Team17s attitude. :)

Metal Alex

5 Jan 2007, 17:30

We (the community) really appreciate Team17s attitude. :)

Indeed, other companies don't even show up in the forums :)

canofworms

6 Jan 2007, 08:14

Volcadmin burned the source code on 3 CDs and gave it to Deadcode when he was over at T17 HQ, IIRC.

There is a rumor that the proving grounds for Deadcode were not in the field of programming but in a pub near T17 HQ.

WHAT? Volcadmin is human :eek:

I thought he was only a bot, (s)he posts here on downtime etc, then people ask him/her questions about it, and they get no reply.

And if WA was 3cd src, he must have obviously got the PS1 etc. sources too. Hmm, some sort of passworded SCM would be more appropiate tbh, that way DC and CS always have the latest shared code.

Now, this is the point where I learn some l33t language and write some l33t app for W:A.

Indeed, other companies don't even show up in the forums :)

And Team17 are at least supporting what they do too. Gameware Development bought Creature Labs and is probably leaving it to die iirc.

Possible action plans:

1. Make Gameware give canofworms the Docking Station source by reverse engineering the network system, and finding out that all passwords are unencrypted (TRUE, the wonders of a packet sniffer).

2. Make Team17 (or any other British game company) buy Gameware.

Hmm, creatures + worms, that would be so funny, i could just see one of my norns firing a bazooka at some grendles...

There is a rumor that the proving grounds for Deadcode were not in the field of programming but in a pub near T17 HQ.

What? Do Team17 have a beer competition.

/me makes a note to watch the Team17 jobs page...

bonz

6 Jan 2007, 11:07

WHAT? Volcadmin is human :eek:

I thought he was only a bot, (s)he posts here on downtime etc, then people ask him/her questions about it, and they get no reply.
Yes, he's human.
And if WA was 3cd src, he must have obviously got the PS1 etc.
I know that CS got the W:A and WWP source code, so maybe DC got the same.
Also, I know that DC got unused worm/weapon sprites, so maybe he got other stuff, maybe uncompressed.

I doubt he has the PS1 source code. I bet that Sony has very restrictive agreements.
What? Do Team17 have a beer competition.
Damn sure!
Checkt the internet archive and browse the old T17 pages. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.team17.com
Especially have a look at the "beergarden" section.
If that drinking on all those party photos isn't competing, I don't know what. :D

MrBunsy

6 Jan 2007, 11:38

Damn sure!
Checkt the internet archive and browse the old T17 pages. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.team17.com
Especially have a look at the "beergarden" section.
If that drinking on all those party photos isn't competing, I don't know what. :DI'd forgotten about that web archive place! The interview with the X2 team from 1996 made me laugh, nothing ever changes:

"Why are these features going to impress a hard core Playstation gamer whose head might be full of polygon counts, frame rates, and tri-linear texture mip mapped interpolated graphics with anti-aliasing."

"there had been - and still is, to a large degree, a dearth of PLAYABLE games on next-gen consoles."

Spadge

6 Jan 2007, 13:27

God.. all that time, gone... so many good memories. My blog would be the size of a phone directory had I been doing it all those years...

franpa

6 Jan 2007, 14:05

http://web.archive.org/web/19961018172904/http://www.team17.com/

this aint preserved that well -.-

raffie

6 Jan 2007, 16:11

http://web.archive.org/web/19961129193342/www.team17.com/forums/irc.html
Team17 IRC

The Games Room are pleased to announce the opening of an experimental IRC server within the Team17 domain. The server is open to everyone, and will primarily be used to discuss various topics in real time with Team17 staff.
nooooo... in REAL TIME???:eek:
:D

and then there's this http://web.archive.org/web/19961018175212/www.team17.com/T17/garden/birthday/warning.html
(beware!)

Qnick

6 Jan 2007, 18:06

That is moderately scarey

Plasma

6 Jan 2007, 18:44

WHAT? Volcadmin is human :eek:

I thought he was only a bot, (s)he posts here on downtime etc, then people ask him/her questions about it, and they get no reply.
No, Volcadmin is a member of Team17. He's also the backup administrator, for when the primarey admin isn't around.

Speaking of which, Spadge, are we going to be getting a new admin anytime soon?

thomasp

6 Jan 2007, 22:01

No, Volcadmin is a member of Team17. He's also the backup administrator, for when the primarey admin isn't around.

Speaking of which, Spadge, are we going to be getting a new admin anytime soon?
Volcadmin is the admin on this forum and always has been - that's why he's Number One.

In fact, he would have given APJ admin powers "back in the day".

bonz

7 Jan 2007, 00:39

and then there's this http://web.archive.org/web/19961018175212/www.team17.com/T17/garden/birthday/warning.html
(beware!)
HA! Old hat.
I have (re)discovered and posted this before. ;)

Muzer

7 Jan 2007, 09:47

http://web.archive.org/web/19970316022324/www.team17.com/images/ie_animated.gif

IE!!! HAVE TEAM17 TURNED TO THE DARKSIDE? NOOOOOOOOOO!

Same here, bonz, except for the posted bit ;)

canofworms

7 Jan 2007, 11:35

Volcadmin is the admin on this forum and always has been - that's why he's Number One.

In fact, he would have given APJ admin powers "back in the day".

How come he never chats? Too busy?

thomasp

7 Jan 2007, 11:54

How come he never chats? Too busy?
Mainly because being on the forum isn't his job (like all of T17's staff ;)) - I believe volc is in charge of making sure all the servers, etc, are working fine at T17 HQ - including wormnet servers.

canofworms

7 Jan 2007, 14:39

Mainly because being on the forum isn't his job (like all of T17's staff ;)) - I believe volc is in charge of making sure all the servers, etc, are working fine at T17 HQ - including wormnet servers.

Ah. Well im just used to one forum that the CTO (Server guy) is very active.

Damn sure!
Checkt the internet archive and browse the old T17 pages. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.team17.com
Especially have a look at the "beergarden" section.
If that drinking on all those party photos isn't competing, I don't know what.

Ahh, the old Team17 website, that takes me back.

The Team17 Beer (99.9% Alcohol) should be a Worms weapon, you feed it to the enemy, and next turn they go all dizzy :D

Evil Bunny

7 Jan 2007, 14:54

http://web.archive.org/web/19970316022324/www.team17.com/images/ie_animated.gif

IE!!! HAVE TEAM17 TURNED TO THE DARKSIDE? NOOOOOOOOOO!

As a life long member of the dark side I would like to once and for all make clear that we support Opera in it's work to destroy the world from inside your Nintendo systems and mobile phones. IE is the side of the uninlightend and the unindarkend.

I didn't know Spadge had a blog! Why didn't anyone tell me!

canofworms

7 Jan 2007, 15:40

As a life long member of the dark side I would like to once and for all make clear that we support Opera in it's work to destroy the world from inside your Nintendo systems and mobile phones. IE is the side of the uninlightend and the unindarkend.

I didn't know Spadge had a blog! Why didn't anyone tell me!

Opera rules!

Anyway, I did have a look at Spadges blog once, wasnt much stuff of extreme interest, though a few things (like the Team17 party he mentioned).

Cant remember the address though.

bonz

7 Jan 2007, 21:51

IE is the side of the uninlightend and the unindarkend.

I didn't know Spadge had a blog! Why didn't anyone tell me!
Seems that you also are on the side of the "uninguzzled". :D

canofworms

8 Jan 2007, 07:20

Seems that you also are on the side of the "uninguzzled". :D

/me passes bonz a pint of beer to shut him up.