Instant Messaging Programs - your choise! [Archive]

Maunem2

2 Oct 2006, 16:41

Hello!

I have ICQ. Few days ago I registered in network of Windows Messenger, but my program can't work - it say, that something with .NET Messenger Service (but it's all right) or with connecting with Internet (but it's all right, too)...

What's happened? What I must do???

bonz

2 Oct 2006, 17:03

http://www.miranda-im.org
'Nuff said.

Maunem2

2 Oct 2006, 17:05

Hi!
...But, Miranda use ICQ net, yeah?

bonz

2 Oct 2006, 17:07

...But, Miranda use ICQ net, yeah?
Yes, and it also uses MSN, AOL, Yahoo, Google and many more.
And it's very versatile with hundreds of user made plugins, needs a fraction of the ressources that ICQ needs.
Also, no annoying ads.

Maunem2

2 Oct 2006, 17:10

Cooool!
Yeuhoo!

Muzer

2 Oct 2006, 17:55

I can't get miranda IM to work, so I use trillian. Google it.

bonz

2 Oct 2006, 18:11

I can't get miranda IM to work, so I use trillian. Google it.
I used Trillian for a short period before I switched to Miranda, but I didn't like the interface because it was too different from ICQ in some aspects and I'm a lazy bum who can't be bothered to learn new stuff when I'm already used to something.

Mr.cosmico

2 Oct 2006, 19:32

Even if MSN ain't that great, it's still better than any other IMP I've tried... Simple and works. (most of the time. :p)

Vader

2 Oct 2006, 19:52

Which is better, Miranda or Trillian?

bonz

2 Oct 2006, 22:12

it's still better than any other IMP I've tried... Simple and works. (most of the time. :p)
How could MSN alone be better? :eek:
In Miranda I have contacts from ICQ, MSN, AOL, Yahoo, Jabber and Skype on one single contact list in one single, low ressource program that never has failed me.
It also auto-connects me to my favourite IRC channels.
Which is better, Miranda or Trillian?
I'd say Miranda.
The reason for me was, that its interface and controls handled almost like the ICQ client, which made it much easier to switch.
I tried Trillian for a few days, but there were a few often used things that handled very differently and couldn't be customized.
Also, I think Miranda has much more plugins and is more customizable.

But test both programs yourself, as I don't know how Trillian has developed the last year.

SupSuper

2 Oct 2006, 23:23

But test both programs yourself, as I don't know how Trillian has developed the last year.I'd say zero. :p

I love many of Trillian's features, but it seems very under-developed in some parts. Broken webcam support, transfer resuming and such. Can I upgrade from Trillian to Miranda, or would I lose all my contacts, history, etc?

Iguana

3 Oct 2006, 00:28

That error probably has something to do with your firewall, try having MSN as an exception. Or contact your Internet connection provider, it might have something to do with that (though I doubt it).

Anyway, I'd rather use the regular Live Messenger right now. As tempting as Trillian seems, I don't think MSN would ever be the same without handwriting and bothering people with random game music and South Park quotes. :p

bonz

3 Oct 2006, 00:34

Can I upgrade from Trillian to Miranda, or would I lose all my contacts, history, etc?
That is a very good question.
I only ever moved from ICQ-->Trillian and ICQ-->Miranda.

In those cases I the contacts are downloaded automatically from the ICQ server and I never cared about the histories.
I created my MSN, AOL and Yahoo accounts afterwards and never really used the respective original clients.

Squirminator2k

3 Oct 2006, 00:38

I've paid for Trillian Pro, so I'm not switching any time soon.

Akuryou13

3 Oct 2006, 02:10

Xfire owns face. literally the only messenger I can use anymore considering the amount of video games I play almost constantly. nice, simple, easy to use, doesn't take up much ram, etc, etc, etc. awesome program.

franpa

3 Oct 2006, 02:37

from what i know windows messenger is dead... you have to use windows live messenger now.

Xinos

3 Oct 2006, 09:42

AOL and Yahoo should be on there too..

Is irc instant messaging?

Maunem2

3 Oct 2006, 09:52

Is irc instant messaging?
I think, yes, it is...
Iguana... Thanks for trying helping me...

SupSuper

3 Oct 2006, 10:58

from what i know windows messenger is dead... you have to use windows live messenger now.It's all just names, they all use the MSN Protocol.

Windows Messenger = version 5.x and prior
MSN Messenger = version 6.x - 7.x
Windows Live Messenger = version 8.x and later

franpa

3 Oct 2006, 11:11

msn messenger versions go lower then 5.x

SupSuper

3 Oct 2006, 11:38

That is a very good question.
I only ever moved from ICQ-->Trillian and ICQ-->Miranda.

In those cases I the contacts are downloaded automatically from the ICQ server and I never cared about the histories.
I created my MSN, AOL and Yahoo accounts afterwards and never really used the respective original clients.http://addons.miranda-im.org/details.php?action=viewfile&id=1929

Yay!

msn messenger versions go lower then 5.xYes, that's what "prior" means. :p
Windows XP comes with v4.0

franpa

3 Oct 2006, 14:12

no... windows XP comes with windows messenger which is different to msn messenger and live messenger.

Akuryou13

3 Oct 2006, 14:56

no... windows XP comes with windows messenger which is different to msn messenger and live messenger.let's do a math problem, shall we?

Windows Messenger = version 5.x and prior
MSN Messenger = version 6.x - 7.x
Windows Live Messenger = version 8.x and later

which means

windows messenger = 5>
MSN messenger = 6 & 7
Live = 8<

so, 4 comes with windows.

so, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

it's safe to assume that

1 2 3 4 < 5
6 7 = 6 7
9 10 >8

so therefore:

4 < 5

so 4 > 5
and >5 = windows messenger

then 4 = Windows Messenger!!

isn't math fun!! :rolleyes:

franpa

3 Oct 2006, 15:43

shame windows messenger is not msn messenger... have you tried msn messenger prior to v5.x? (lawl i give i seriously doubt im right aswell)

Xinos

3 Oct 2006, 16:36

shame windows messenger is not msn messenger...

Huh? Isn't that like saying "Shame apples arn't bananas"?

Cyclaws

3 Oct 2006, 17:48

I just use the MSN client, because I can't be bothered with getting accounts for the other services.

bonz

3 Oct 2006, 18:42

I just use the MSN client, because I can't be bothered with getting accounts for the other services.
You don't need accounts for the other services to use Miranda with the MSN protocol.

Muzer

3 Oct 2006, 18:49

shame windows messenger is not msn messenger... have you tried msn messenger prior to v5.x? (lawl i give i seriously doubt im right aswell)

WINDOWS MESSENGER IS MSN!

I use it sometimes when trillian crashes and I can't be bothered to restart it :p

SupSuper

3 Oct 2006, 20:10

shame windows messenger is not msn messenger... have you tried msn messenger prior to v5.x? (lawl i give i seriously doubt im right aswell)Yeah I have:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4756/msn4mb8.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msn4mb8.jpg)

Cyclaws

3 Oct 2006, 23:16

You don't need accounts for the other services to use Miranda with the MSN protocol.

Why would I use another client when the official one works fine?

Star Worms

4 Oct 2006, 00:14

Around 90% of people I know have MSN so it makes sense to have msn messenger.

Maunem2

4 Oct 2006, 03:21

MSN Explorer...
I think, that it how & Netscape Navigator have Internet-messenger, isn't it?

Pigbuster

4 Oct 2006, 04:53

I choose Adium.
Bird noises!

Akuryou13

4 Oct 2006, 06:21

shame windows messenger is not msn messenger... have you tried msn messenger prior to v5.x? (lawl i give i seriously doubt im right aswell)yes, congrats on making a completely nonsensical argument there.....good one....

franpa

4 Oct 2006, 11:04

yea i conceded defeat... i realized how wrong i was.

Akuryou13

4 Oct 2006, 15:00

yea i conceded defeat... i realized how wrong i was.wait, conceded? as in past tense? I thought that post I quoted was a further argument....oops :p

franpa

5 Oct 2006, 04:12

no problems :D

wormthingy

14 Oct 2006, 21:55

id say mercury has most of "msn/windows messenger/windows live/what ever name they give it"'s features
http://www.mercury.to/index.php

Paul.Power

14 Oct 2006, 23:10

Wow, what an exhaustive set of poll options :rolleyes:

MSN and Skype. When my computer's working, of course.

Pickleworm

15 Oct 2006, 02:06

I hate MSN. A lot. But everyone I know uses it.

I don't think people adding me to their list even works anymore.

Maunem2

15 Oct 2006, 08:37

Wow, what an exhaustive set of poll options

MSN and Skype. When my computer's working, of course.

OK, when this poll will ended I make new one...
...My WM don't working, but "ICQ 5 Lite" working very good... So, my choise is ICQ...

Rabble

16 Oct 2006, 07:04

Maunem2

16 Oct 2006, 10:15

Kick punch turn and chop the door!
If you about programm: it is not work...
If you about my computer & room: I don't want make it! :p
...Iguana ansered to my question...

AndrewTaylor

16 Oct 2006, 15:58

Google Talk is the best one. Everything's archived, it doesn't need a client, it's a perfectly open protocol -- the only one I know of that explicitly states you can use any client you like aside from IRC which I hate -- and it doesn't have any features that make me want to kill. Oh, and I can dock it in my sidebar and the noises are much nicer than other IM clients'. Other than that I use MSN because everyone else does and Skype because it does everything.
Anyway, I'd rather use the regular Live Messenger right now. As tempting as Trillian seems, I don't think MSN would ever be the same without handwriting and bothering people with random game music and South Park quotes. :p
You're right, it's not the same. In fact, that's exactly why I use Trillian these days. I don't want people to be able to make my computer play music, I don't want to try and decypher their handwriting (their typing's bad enough) and since anyone who used the "nudge" feature on me got blocked without trial that was useful only as a bozo-filter.
isn't math fun!! :rolleyes:
Can I just mention that I have a masters degree in physics and didn't understand a jot of that post?

Cyclaws

16 Oct 2006, 16:23

You're right, it's not the same. In fact, that's exactly why I use Trillian these days. I don't want people to be able to make my computer play music, I don't want to try and decypher their handwriting (their typing's bad enough) and since anyone who used the "nudge" feature on me got blocked without trial that was useful only as a bozo-filter.

Can I just mention that I have a masters degree in physics and didn't understand a jot of that post?
I couldn't agree more, so I just switched them all off in the options. All I need now is a way to make a prompt appear when someone invites me to a multi-conversation, and MSN will be good again (remember MSN 5? No nudges, no handwriting, just "Do you want to accept this file?" and "No.")

I'd switch to Trillian if it included Sharing Folders. I use that a lot to shift research and notes around with classmates (yeah, I really do), so it's better to stick with MSN.

Kelster23

17 Oct 2006, 00:38

Msn Live and msn plus is good to annoy the hell out of people. (LOL RABBLE CHARMANDER)

SupSuper

17 Oct 2006, 23:56

I couldn't agree more, so I just switched them all off in the options. All I need now is a way to make a prompt appear when someone invites me to a multi-conversation, and MSN will be good again (remember MSN 5? No nudges, no handwriting, just "Do you want to accept this file?" and "No.")

I'd switch to Trillian if it included Sharing Folders. I use that a lot to shift research and notes around with classmates (yeah, I really do), so it's better to stick with MSN.I just block wormthingy, it killed most multi-conversations for me. :p
I also missed the time when custom emoticons actually had limits so they were actually useful and not just random annoying things. And Sharing Folders / Handwriting broke for me, MSN Games haven't worked in ages, so I really don't miss it.

Cyclaws

18 Oct 2006, 01:22

I just block wormthingy, it killed most multi-conversations for me. :p
I also missed the time when custom emoticons actually had limits so they were actually useful and not just random annoying things. And Sharing Folders / Handwriting broke for me, MSN Games haven't worked in ages, so I really don't miss it.

Wormthingy? I have no idea if I have him on contacts or not.

Pickleworm

18 Oct 2006, 01:36

You're right, it's not the same. In fact, that's exactly why I use Trillian these days. I don't want people to be able to make my computer play music, I don't want to try and decypher their handwriting (their typing's bad enough) and since anyone who used the "nudge" feature on me got blocked without trial that was useful only as a bozo-filter.

Most people on my buddy list don't send music without asking first, and it's a good way to see if someone will like a song before you send it to them. Handwriting, as far as I have seen, is used 99% of the time for drawing pictures, and that is usually quite fun.

I do hate nudges with a passion, and I'm just going to forget winks even exist. Fortunatly, you can disable all of the above except for possibly handwriting, but I may be wrong.

Kelster23

18 Oct 2006, 02:18

and I'm just going to forget winks even exist.
Some winks are quite evil-ish on max size msn.

philby4000

18 Oct 2006, 09:41

Can I just mention that I have a masters degree in physics and didn't understand a jot of that post?
He realy should have used 'greater/less than or equal to' rather than 'grater/less than'.

That in mind it makes perfect sence.

Akuryou13

18 Oct 2006, 10:32

He realy should have used 'greater/less than or equal to' rather than 'grater/less than'.

That in mind it makes perfect sence.yeah, probably, I just don't know the keyboard buttons for those symbols.

wormthingy

18 Oct 2006, 12:40

I just block wormthingy, it killed most multi-conversations for me. :p

but, it was only once.. or twice.. per day :p
but seriously, i kinda dont do those anymore.. the last one was just a joke with some of my classmates.

Xinos

18 Oct 2006, 13:48

It's strange that thoose never work. Get 10 people in the same conversation on MSN and it's chaos. 200 people on irc is calm and civilized =P

AndrewTaylor

18 Oct 2006, 13:58

He realy should have used 'greater/less than or equal to' rather than 'grater/less than'.

That in mind it makes perfect sence.
Well, no, it didn't.

Firstly, because the notation was all in a special, completley made up form of maths that only Akuryou has ever used, so unless you're him or you sit there and crack his highly inconsistent code, it's gibberish. Secondly, because of this:
4 < 5

so 4 > 5
I think that it makes a lot more sense if you ignore the fact he pretends it was maths and just read the name of each symbol as you come to it.

philby4000

18 Oct 2006, 15:43

I'm obviously very good at cracking his highly inconsistent code.:confused:

I don't see what's wrong with '4<5 therfore 5>4'.

It's not saying anything at all, but it is undeniably true.

That is unless your physics degree gave you some secret knowlege about the true order of natural numbers or the true meaning of the inequality symbols < and >.:p

AndrewTaylor

18 Oct 2006, 15:56

I don't see what's wrong with '4<5 therfore 5>4'.

Aside from the spelling, that's correct. But it's not what Akuryou wrote. Look again.

The problemis with things like "windows messenger = 5>".

That could mean "5, and anything greater than 5", "anything greater than five", or "anything less than five", since that's what 5>x would mean. The plain and simple fact is that that post was gibberish. Nothing you can say will change that. It was decypherable, but that doesn't mean it made sense as it was. Far better, I'd have said, to just use half as many characters explaining it infinitely more clearly using words.

philby4000

18 Oct 2006, 16:23

Then why highlight the correct part, you confusing person?

Hmm, I didn't realize it was that bad. I guess I instinctively read it as 'Windows Messenger = less than or equal to 5" Because I know that any v ersoin of MSN with a five or less next to the name is Windows messenger.

I bow to your superior knowlege, and I'll stop defending the undefendable.

like my spelling.:p

bonz

18 Oct 2006, 17:13

I bow to your superior knowlege, and I'll stop defending the undefendable.
HA!
I bet he typed that out from one of his physics books.

Plasma

18 Oct 2006, 17:24

Can I just mention that I have a masters degree in physics and didn't understand a jot of that post?
Ooh, ooh, let me have a go at correcting him:
I sure hope this is right...

Windows Messenger = version 5.x and prior
MSN Messenger = version 6.x - 7.x
Windows Live Messenger = version 8.x and later

which means

windows messenger <= 5
MSN messenger = 6 & 7
Live >= 8

so, 4 comes with windows.

so, xxx messenger = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10}

it's safe to assume that

{1, 2, 3, 4} < 5
{6, 7} = {6, 7}
{9, 10} > 8

so therefore:

4 < 5

so 4 < 5
and windows messenger <= 5

then 4 = Windows Messenger!!

Cyclaws

18 Oct 2006, 17:46

Oh dear .

bonz

18 Oct 2006, 18:05

which means

windows messenger <= 5
MSN messenger = 6 & 7
Live >= 8

What about the versions 5 < x ≤ 5.(9) and 6 < x ≤ 6.(9) and 7 < x ≤ 7.(9) ? :rolleyes:

Plasma

18 Oct 2006, 18:09

What about the versions 5 < x <= 5.(9) and 6 < x <= 6.(9) and 7 < x <= 7.(9) ? :rolleyes:
Ah, but in terms of program versions, it's widely considered that (as an example):
5 = {5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, ... 5.9}

bonz

18 Oct 2006, 18:13

Ah, but in terms of program versions, it's widely considered that (as an example):
5 = {5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, ... 5.9}
Widely considered?
What about v3.6.26.5 then? :rolleyes:

Now quit that whole crap!
Miranda is way better than any of Microsoft's messenger programs anyway.

philby4000

18 Oct 2006, 19:14

That wasn't much better.

You are not aware that the symbol '=>' means 'implies that'.

as a general rule don't mix > and = in the same statement. Inequalities and equalities are contradictory!:eek:

bonz

18 Oct 2006, 21:58

That wasn't much better.

You are not aware that the symbol '=>' means 'implies that'.

as a general rule don't mix > and = in the same statement. Inequalities and equalities are contradictory!:eek:
Well, I substituted the <= with ≤ then.

wormthingy

18 Oct 2006, 22:49

ACK, would you stop the maths please?
srsly, knock it off, all of you

and now, "wtf was microsoft thinking when they made winks and nudges?"

Kelster23

19 Oct 2006, 03:26

and now, "wtf was microsoft thinking when they made winks and nudges?"

They were thinking that people could wink hearts and dudes with water balloons, and that a msn window could knock someone off a cliff.:rolleyes:

Pigbuster

19 Oct 2006, 05:15

as a general rule don't mix > and = in the same statement. Inequalities and equalities are contradictory!:eek:
You've never used actionscript, I see. :p

franpa

19 Oct 2006, 07:22

Ah, but in terms of program versions, it's widely considered that (as an example):
5 = {5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, ... 5.9}

i think your insane (even if you are right) as i would think that v5.x means 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 etc.

Akuryou13

19 Oct 2006, 14:15

It was decypherable, but that doesn't mean it made sense as it was. Far better, I'd have said, to just use half as many characters explaining it infinitely more clearly using words.well.....your logic and facts are wrong.....get new ones that coincide with my falsehoods better. :p

seriously, philby figured it out, that means it was readable. I wasn't trying to be perfect there, just make a point.

wormthingy

19 Oct 2006, 14:24

i think your insane (even if you are right) as i would think that v5.x means 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 etc.

it does

and now to settle this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version
read and ye shall know

bonz

19 Oct 2006, 21:15

Now that's a way to label program version. :D

SupSuper

22 Oct 2006, 13:10

It's strange that thoose never work. Get 10 people in the same conversation on MSN and it's chaos. 200 people on irc is calm and civilized =PBecause most of them are afk or pvt. Otherwise it's not very different from MSN. :p Plus MSN just allows for much more annoyance since you can invite anyone and they can't refuse it nor figure out who did it, which just incentivates the annoying nature of MSNers.

A big problem with MSN is that 20 people + handwriting + sounds + winks + nudges + ... = major slowdown = crashy crash!

and now, "wtf was microsoft thinking when they made winks and nudges?"Obviously they thought "people online love to be asses and annoy each other... now if only we could profit off of it!". It's the Microsoft way!