Battlefield 2142

[Akuryou13]

I got into the beta test of the new BF game and, while I can't disclose details and probably am stretching boundaries with what I AM saying here, I figured you guys'd be interested.

right now, the game is absolutely HORRIBLY buggy and glitchy and has exploits out the yin-yang, but that should all get fixed from the beta test. after those problems are resolved the game kicks some major ass. there are a couple of issues with the gameplay that's actually working as intended that are annoying and are in SEVERE need of change, but those things are getting thread after thread after thread on the beta tester forums, so they should get changed before the end of beta.

in all, it's going to be a game equally if not more great than its predecessors. the game is chock full of new stuff with enough old stuff that you won't get lost. from the start things take a bit of getting used to but it's well worth the time spent. all in all I'd say the game will definitly be worth the money as long as they remove the bad decisions they made in a few areas of the game as the fans are demanding they do.

now, of course, I'm under an NDA, but I figured I'd at least rest you guys' minds about the upcoming game if you were worried it would suck.

[WormOfFire]

Sounds good...

where do you sign up as beta tester?=p

[MrBunsy]

Sooo... have they made the engine anywhere near effiecient yet? For instance will they stop blocking old graphics cards from being able to launch the game?

[Cyclaws]

Oh cool, I'm in it too. We'll have to play some time.

[Xinos]

I didn't get into the beta. It filled up within hours, and the only way to get in after that was to have a paid perscription to fileplanet.

My thoughts and expectations about this new BF is very neutral.

[Cyclaws]

I didn't get into the beta. It filled up within hours, and the only way to get in after that was to have a paid perscription to fileplanet.

My thoughts and expectations about this new BF is very neutral.

To be honest, my first thoughts were that it is basically BF2 with weapons that make different sounds and some new maps. Having played very little of it (it keeps crashing to desktop), I maintain that opinion. I doubt I'll be getting the retail copy.

/shuts up before he breaks the NDA.

[farazparsa]

It's Battlefront with better graphics.

[Mr.cosmico]

Well, if its still as laggy as BF2, I'm not getting it.

[Liketyspli]

Meh, i liked BF1942 a lot, but BF2 sucked... thats why im not gonna buy it. or even touch it, its filled with bad energy.

[Akuryou13]

To be honest, my first thoughts were that it is basically BF2 with weapons that make different sounds and some new maps. Having played very little of it (it keeps crashing to desktop), I maintain that opinion. I doubt I'll be getting the retail copy.meh, I've had time to enjoy the game as I'm not getting any crashing problems. it's different enough to enjoy the newness and quite a few things feel pretty different. once they fix the bugs and the crapness I think it'll be plenty worth buying.

[Cyclaws]

It's Battlefront with better graphics.
No, not quite. No lightsabres in Battelfield.

[WormOfFire]

Meh, i liked BF1942 a lot, but BF2 sucked... thats why im not gonna buy it.


Oh,come on....it wasn't that bad,not that i have bought it though...looks boring.

(Tested the bf2 demo and i will never again)

[Akuryou13]

Oh,come on....it wasn't that bad,not that i have bought it though...looks boring.

(Tested the bf2 demo and i will never again)uh......are you telling him the game isn't that bad and then proceeding to state that you hate the game? :confused:

[WormOfFire]

uh......are you telling him the game isn't that bad and then proceeding to state that you hate the game? :confused:

No,i said that it wasn't very bad...but it is boring.

And i don't hate the game.

[MtlAngelus]

And i don't hate the game.
Yet you're not even touching the free demo.

[SuperBlob]

No,i said that it wasn't very bad...but it is boring.

And i don't hate the game.

You don't hate boring things? Are you an insane maniac or summat?

[MrBunsy]

You don't hate boring things? Are you an insane maniac or summat?

Boring things can be fine ... but not if you have to pay for them.

[Xinos]

I love BF2, I play it all the time. I'm just not sure I want to trade tanks with walking robots.

[Vader]

It's Battlefront with better graphics.

Yes. Sending a searing hot bullet through someone's limb is far more satisfying with better graphics, after all.

Glod I hate FPS.

[Pieboy337]

i have tried all the battlefield games and tried to like them, i just cant. i looked into the new game and from what ive heard it dosnt sound like its going to be that much different except different stuff and looks. Ill try it still when it comes out though.

[Akuryou13]

I love BF2, I play it all the time. I'm just not sure I want to trade tanks with walking robots.you don't have to. in the level on the demo there is one single walker and about 12 tanks of various kinds around the map. I would imagine that balance would hold true for the rest of the maps as well. the walkers are just an addition to the game, not a huge change.

[Xinos]

Yes. Sending a searing hot bullet through someone's limb is far more satisfying with better graphics, after all.

Glod I hate FPS.

What you said can directly to worms aswell you know. :rolleyes:

[Vader]

No it can't.

W:A is the best Worms game. It has "worse" graphics than Worms 3D. There are no limbs in Worms. Worms is not a first-person shooter. In fact, it doesn't have a single person in it.

Shooting worms is fun. Shooting people isn't. First-person shooters ain't my bag, baby.

Actually, I don't mind third-person shooters. Maybe I don't like to be looking through the eyes of the killer.

[Xinos]

Still, your comment was very strange as it had no direct connection with FPS's. Bullet's hitting limbs can be found in genres you enjoy such as third person shooters aswell.

And yes, good graphics are nice. What's your point?
It's not like games have bad gameplay just because they look good..

[MrBunsy]

It's not like games have bad gameplay just because they look good..There probably is a correlation though.

[Vader]

Games which focus on graphical quality have a tendency to suffer in terms of gameplay.

My comment may have been unclear so perhaps I should elaborate:

First person shooters are very, very boring. They are pretty much all the same and very few offer something different enough to warrant playing them, in my opinion.

What I was trying to say is that this game will clearly be every other war-time FPS with a few bog standard differences. For example, you probably get a different type of assault rifle or shoot different looking people.

Snore.

I'll leave this topic now as I have said all I have to say. I just thought I'd introduce the idea that... well... snore.

[Akuryou13]

Games which focus on graphical quality have a tendency to suffer in terms of gameplay.

My comment may have been unclear so perhaps I should elaborate:

First person shooters are very, very boring. They are pretty much all the same and very few offer something different enough to warrant playing them, in my opinion.

What I was trying to say is that this game will clearly be every other war-time FPS with a few bog standard differences. For example, you probably get a different type of assault rifle or shoot different looking people.

Snore.

I'll leave this topic now as I have said all I have to say. I just thought I'd introduce the idea that... well... snore.to each his own, as they say, but not liking a genre typically means you stay away from discussions about them. really not much point in your posts :p only people who'll agree with you are others who share your opinion on FPSs, and those would likely ignore the thread seeing as it's about something they don't find interesting.

and yes, it's pretty much the same formula as other FPSs, but that's a requirement of the genre, the same as all RPGs are the same as all other RPGs, or all sports games are the same as other sports games, etc.

[Vader]

Fair point.

It just seems like the games industry has fallen into a rutt of FPS and racing of late.

Well, for a few years now.

Besides which, a discussion doesn't have to be one sided. This is a forum. By definition this is a public meeting place for open discussion. A place where opinions may collide but the discussion is open. You have no right to stifle my opinion and I have no right to stifle yours. As a result I refrained from stifling your opinion and endeavoured to share mine.

Also, being in the FPS genre doesn't mean a game has to be a cut-to-fit job but it's a shame that so many developers think otherwise.

[Akuryou13]

Fair point.

It just seems like the games industry has fallen into a rutt of FPS and racing of late.

Well, for a few years now.

Besides which, a discussion doesn't have to be one sided. This is a forum. By definition this is a public meeting place for open discussion. A place where opinions may collide but the discussion is open. You have no right to stifle my opinion and I have no right to stifle yours. As a result I refrained from stifling your opinion and endeavoured to share mine.

Also, being in the FPS genre doesn't mean a game has to be a cut-to-fit job but it's a shame that so many developers think otherwise.well there are plenty of games that don't fit into the same mold, such as Ghost Recon, but no matter what they have to follow a certain few rules just to be a FPS, and it seems that those are the things you don't like.

and I wasn't saying you're not allowed to express your opinion, just that it wasn't much needed :p I was just informing those who ARE interested in this game that it seems to be promising in comparison to BF2. this isn't much of a discussion thread on the topic of FPS games, just a discussion on the quality of BF2142 AS a FPS game.

[Vader]

Yeah, and I'm saying "I bet it's like all the others but with a new assault rifle".

Full circle. Well done.

[Akuryou13]

Yeah, and I'm saying "I bet it's like all the others but with a new assault rifle".

Full circle. Well done.lol, alright, I'll just hut up now :p

[Xinos]

FPS games have been coming out in a constant pase sinse the beginning, or atleast at the same pase as other genres progess aswell. They have not really taken more room than other genres lately, but you dislike the genre so obviously you will notice all the new games and get bugged by them. I would say it's a stereotype of gaming.. =P

[Paul.Power]

such as Ghost ReconAh, the only FPS I'm even remotely competent at...

[Vader]

FPS games have been coming out in a constant pase sinse the beginning, or atleast at the same pase as other genres progess aswell. They have not really taken more room than other genres lately, but you dislike the genre so obviously you will notice all the new games and get bugged by them. I would say it's a stereotype of gaming.. =P

There are significantly more FPS and racers on Xbox and PS2 than there are RPGs and platformers.

I notice the games I'd like to play just as much.

I don't really like FPS games.

Try reading my previous posts. This is an utterly pointless attack on my dislike for FPS games. I dislike them and you are attacking that fact. All I did was share my opinion on the genre.

Of course, I am generalising. I quite liked Halo, for example. However, I bet Battlefield 2142 is just like Battlefield 1942 but with a different set of guns.

Now, stop attacking my opinion.

[Xinos]

Well allright. =P

Does BF2142 install as a bf2 mod/expansion or is it an entierly different game that needs to be installed elsewhere? I remember hearing it was the same engine so..

[Akuryou13]

it's a completely new game in terms of installation.

and yes, unfortunately it DOES use the same engine as BF2 and so far it's plagued with some of the same problems (granted BF2 never bothered me, so I go off of what others say as to what problems the game had), and a few new ones since it's still in beta.

I promise nothing in my mention of BF2142, I just say that it's shaping up to be better than BF2 was.

I dislike them and you are attacking that fact. All I did was share my opinion on the genre.

Of course, I am generalising. I quite liked Halo, for example. However, I bet Battlefield 2142 is just like Battlefield 1942 but with a different set of guns.

Now, stop attacking my opinion.posting in a thread about something that you don't like for no reason other than to say you don't like it is an attack on the topic of discussion, so you can hardly get angry at us for attacking back when a genre we enjoy was attacked first. posting here that you hate FPS is no better than posting in a thread about a console to state that you hate the console. you can post here all you like, but if you want to get mad at anything, get mad at yourself for posting in the first place and bringing the whole thing up needlessly.

[Vader]

posting in a thread about something that you don't like for no reason other than to say you don't like it is an attack on the topic of discussion.

No, it's sharing my opinion on the topic of discussion.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Do I have no right to share my opinion?

Do you expect me to create a whole new thread to mention that I think Battlefield 2142 will be just like Battlefield 1942 but with different guns?

Shall I spell it out for you?

You: "I think the FPS will be great."
Me: "I bet it's like the others but with different guns."
You: "Shutup, your opinion is rubbish."
Me: "You are attacking my opinion."
You: "You are attacking my discussion."

For crying out loud. I'll wait for an invitation to post on this forum next time, eh?

[Xinos]

And in turn, do I not have a right to share my opinion on your opinions?

[Vader]

Not really. That's called flaming.

Your opinion on my opinions is 2nd generation to the topic of the thread. Therefore, by sharing your opinion on my opinion you are not sticking to the topic. We've already digressed from the topic as a result.

In other words, you are flaming me and spamming this thread.

[Preasure]

Strictly, sharing your opinion on someone elses opinions isn't flaming. If I insult you about your opinions, that's flaming, but if I simply state that my opinion differs from yours, and give reasons why, then that's a mature debate.

Vader has as much right to say that he doesn't like FPS's and the idea that better graphics make them better overall as anyone else has to say that they like the look of the game. The topic is called 'Battlefield 2142', not 'Share your positive opinions only about Battlefield 2142', after all.

[Vader]

Strictly, sharing your opinion on someone elses opinions isn't flaming. If I insult you about your opinions, that's flaming, but if I simply state that my opinion differs from yours, and give reasons why, then that's a mature debate.

That's a very fair comment.

I did explain a few of the reasons why I'm not keen of FPS games but they seemed to be returned with "get out of my thread, your opinion is rubbish". I take that as an insult; a person's opinions are pretty much what make them, in many ways. The way I see it, people insulted me directly by saying things like (and I quote) "really not much point in your posts", "[your opinion] wasn't much needed" and "what's your point?".

Vader has as much right to say that he doesn't like FPS's and the idea that better graphics make them better overall as anyone else has to say that they like the look of the game. The topic is called 'Battlefield 2142', not 'Share your positive opinions only about Battlefield 2142', after all.

Thank you.

[Akuryou13]

No, it's sharing my opinion on the topic of discussion.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Do I have no right to share my opinion?

Do you expect me to create a whole new thread to mention that I think Battlefield 2142 will be just like Battlefield 1942 but with different guns?

Shall I spell it out for you?

You: "I think the FPS will be great."
Me: "I bet it's like the others but with different guns."
You: "Shutup, your opinion is rubbish."
Me: "You are attacking my opinion."
You: "You are attacking my discussion."

For crying out loud. I'll wait for an invitation to post on this forum next time, eh?I never said you have no right to have your opinion, I never said you have no right to post here (I said there wasn't much reason to, but that's nothing nearly the same thing), and I never insinuated anything insulting.

my last post wasn't a flame, try reading it through instead of just taking it as an insult and running with it. I said you have no right to get mad at someone who disagrees with your opinion when you came in here and started the discussion of not liking the genre yourself. no one's saying you have to like it at all, but if you're going to be posting here you have no right, at all, to get mad at us disagreeing with you. no one flamed you, no one said you weren't allowed to have your opinion, you said those things yourself. if you're going to get mad at anything at all, get mad at yourself for starting the discussion in the first place and quit putting words in our mouths.

[Vader]

Hang on a second, you're making no sense:

if you're going to be posting here you have no right, at all, to get mad at us disagreeing with you.

I'm not mad at you disagreeing with me. I'm mad at you telling me I shouldn't post in this thread if my opinion doesn't correlate with yours.

get mad at yourself for starting the discussion in the first place

You started the topic. I shared my opinion.

quit putting words in our mouths

I haven't. You've told me my opinion isn't wanted in this thread. That's what I find so insulting.

The fact of the matter is that I think the next Battlefield game will be the same as the one before. You disagree with that. All is good.

What's not good is you telling me my opinion is a waste of your thread space.

I'm done with this. You're clearly getting overly wound up and I refuse to participate further.

[farazparsa]

Debate! Debate! Debate!

[MrBunsy]

*pulls out deckchair*

[Akuryou13]

I'm not mad at you disagreeing with me. I'm mad at you telling me I shouldn't post in this thread if my opinion doesn't correlate with yours.whoa whoa! I'm not saying your opinion shouldn't be posted here, I'm saying there wasn't much need of it. I can see why you don't see the difference, but let me explain.

I'm saying that your opinion that the game won't be anything special isn't much needed because I was just informing those interested in BF2142 that it was shaping up to be good. an opinion of the game not being any good is welcome, of course, it just doesn't really add anything to the discussion (at least in my opinion), and as such I don't find it all that needed here. granted, you're free to do what you want, I'm just saying I personally don't see much point in saying the game isn't any good in a thread such as this.

does that make more sense now? sorry for being overly confusing, I think I've been around my fiancee too long....

[Vader]

Okay, just for some closure:

You started a topic about Battlefield 2142. I commented in that discussion with my opinion on the topic at hand. You told me that whilst I have every right to post my opinion, it really didn't add anything to the discussion.

That's where I disagree. There are two sides to every coin. I have added a whole new dimension to this discussion.

I understand what you're saying perfectly well. I disagree with what you are saying. You probably won't change that. It's no big deal either way.

*sigh*

[Preasure]

How can you have a discussion with only one point of view?

[Akuryou13]

bleh, fair enough vader. I've argued my pointlessness enough for one week....:-/ :p

[Xinos]

How can you have a discussion with only one point of view?

Two or more people who like the same thing can't have a disussion regarding the subject? That's news too me.

Anyway, anybody with a BF2 account that want's some extras when getting BF2142 should check this out..
http://www.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/veteran.aspx?lang=us

[Preasure]

Two or more people who like the same thing can't have a disussion regarding the subject? That's news too me.
I meant a discussion between people with opposing views. Discussion was probably the wrong word, in retrospect. Debate would have been better, I was refering to Aku saying that Vader's opinion didn't add anything 'to this disscussion', and I thought saying debate wouldn't be clear enough.

[Akuryou13]

Two or more people who like the same thing can't have a disussion regarding the subject? That's news too me.

Anyway, anybody with a BF2 account that want's some extras when getting BF2142 should check this out..
http://www.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/veteran.aspx?lang=usso far, that little program is bugged to high hell...so good luck on that :p

[SupSuper]

Anyway, anybody with a BF2 account that want's some extras when getting BF2142 should check this out..
http://www.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/veteran.aspx?lang=usWow, EA's site is f***ed up.

I tried filling in my info. I get "incorrect EA member name"

So I go to EA and try logging in. Fails as well.

So I try to get my password. I get "invalid information provided" (all I provided was my member name)

So I try to register a new account. I get "SupSuper is already in use".

And I play on BF2 as SupSuper fine.

[Mr.cosmico]

OOH! 1.4 patch for Battlefield 2 is out! Hope they fixed those laggy servers...

[Akuryou13]

OOH! 1.4 patch for Battlefield 2 is out! Hope they fixed those laggy servers...don't hold your breath :p

besides, half the times it's the host. if it were EA, ALL the servers would lag.

[Mr.cosmico]

don't hold your breath :p

besides, half the times it's the host. if it were EA, ALL the servers would lag.

LOL. :p

Yep, it's still lagging. I will DEFINATLY not buy BF2142.

[farazparsa]

I can't believe their already making mods for it (i.e. Alien vs. Predator 2142)

[Akuryou13]

LOL. :p

Yep, it's still lagging. I will DEFINATLY not buy BF2142.because of lag? that's a crappy reason considering it's not even EA's fault. it's just crappy hosts.

[MrBunsy]

because of lag? that's a crappy reason considering it's not even EA's fault. it's just crappy hosts.

Uh, or crappy netcode? The Unreal engine netcode is a steady as a rock, almost no lag at all on even a semi-decent server.

[Cyclaws]

because of lag? that's a crappy reason considering it's not even EA's fault. it's just crappy hosts.

No, a lot of it is crappy netcode.

[Akuryou13]

Uh, or crappy netcode? The Unreal engine netcode is a steady as a rock, almost no lag at all on even a semi-decent server.ah ok, well I've never played unreal. I've played plenty of others though and they all suffer from the same problems BF2 does, so I still don't think it's that great a reason.

[MrBunsy]

Well, Unreal does have very good netcode, but that also means lots of games have bad netcode. Unreal-engine games have got a reputation for reliable net play for a reason.

[Akuryou13]

heh, then I guess I WILL have to get UT2K7 after all. was considering it, but seeing as it'll be the first game I've played that I can actually play it seems like a good buy :p