Training Trouble [Archive]

Vader

22 Aug 2006, 19:55

Hi I'm having trouble completing rifle range and artillery training. Does anyone have any help?

I find that aiming lower than I expect helps with the shotty.

Plasma

23 Aug 2006, 14:27

Well here's a little tip: the amount of shots you take doesn't matter, but you may find it easier to see where some shots end up first.

Although you probably already knew that; but it's the only tip I can think of.

mr_awesome

25 Aug 2006, 06:51

Thanks for the help. I got 2:36 on Rifle Range. I'm still having trouble on artillery training though....

WOO HOO!!! I just got an awesome time of 4:16 on Artillery Range!!! I've got gold on all types of training now!!

Full Wormage here I come!!

Lex

25 Aug 2006, 09:23

Wow, nice! How many of the missions have you beaten so far? They are the most fun. If you need some help with methodology, try watching some of the replays posted here (http://nanacide.com/wahelp/info-missions.php). Of course, you don't have to do the missions as fast as the record-holders do them (though that would be awesome), but those replays still show easy methods for some missions, if the records haven't already been beaten by much harder methods, as is the case with Hot Stuff.

bonz

25 Aug 2006, 14:30

Of course, you don't have to do the missions as fast as the record-holders do them (though that would be awesome)
You wouldn't like that, ey? :D

Lex

26 Aug 2006, 07:11

mr_awesome

26 Aug 2006, 07:42

[QUOTE=Lex;527587]Wow, nice! How many of the missions have you beaten so far?

I'm up to mission 20 or 21.

Preasure

26 Aug 2006, 20:43

Well I should assume he's done the lot, if he's setting records in them :p ;)

Also, to make a quote, remember to put [/quote] after your quoted text, or just press the quote button on the post you want to quote.

Plasma

26 Aug 2006, 22:15

Full Wormage here I come!!
By the way, you don't need to get gold on the missions to get hte full wormage, you only need to complete them.

mr_awesome

27 Aug 2006, 02:51

By the way, you don't need to get gold on the missions to get hte full wormage, you only need to complete them.

Oh thank god!! That would take me ages. I'm up to mission 26 now. I think it's called Mad Cows. Also my deathmatch rank is Veteran.

mr_awesome

28 Aug 2006, 08:09

Now I'm up to mission 28 - Stolen Goods - it's a tough one. It's the one with the MICROPROSE logo terrain. God damn it's hard!! Anyone got any tips?

Lex

28 Aug 2006, 08:38

Have you watched the mission record replay by SpideR on the mission records page (http://nanacide.com/wahelp/info-missions.php)? It gives a good demonstration of how to beat that mission easily. You don't have to go as fast as SpideR goes in the replay, of course.

Dando

29 Aug 2006, 10:41

Pieboy337

30 Aug 2006, 02:37

Yes, you can beat it much easier by roping under the letters then deploying a girder.

I played it for the playstation the first time and spent days doing it with the blow torch through all the letters which is hit and miss and down to alot of luck.
sorry for being a noob, but how dose that help out? im probibly missing somthing obvious to what your saying.

Lex

30 Aug 2006, 04:18

If you've ever played the mission or seen it played, you will understand what he means. Really, though, you should just check out SpideR's mission record replay to see what he means, since you must have never played the mission.

mr_awesome

30 Aug 2006, 06:43

Hey, don't worry now. I'm up to mission 32 - Trouble in the Toystore.

Anyone got any deathmatch tips?

Lex

30 Aug 2006, 06:49

In deathmatch, always end your turn stand in a pile with enemy worms who you are sure aren't going to take their turn before your worm will. That, or in a pile with two enemy worms. They will not attack themselves. Also, of course, try to pile enemy worms as much as possible. Keep them in a bundle with whatever means possible.

Dando

30 Aug 2006, 13:35

and if you want to complete with 100% team rank, and not lsoe a worm, (and even if not) if you are going to lose, CTRL-ALT-DEL and cancel worms.exe, thus your game isnt saved and so you can attempt it again without having to regain a rank/medal

Plasma

30 Aug 2006, 14:52

KRD

30 Aug 2006, 17:11

It should. Darn stinkin' cheaters!

Pieboy337

30 Aug 2006, 22:34

i didnt know that untill later. i have a perfect deathmatch record except for 1 lose! and it kills me inside whenever i see it.

franpa

1 Sep 2006, 06:05

No, actually, I certainly would like that. I want competition, and have been calling for it for many months. I'm the only person who's been acheiving these mission records in the past 6 months, seriously.

http://nanacide.com/replays/%5Bwa14%5D%5B1%5D%5B4.04%5D%5Bc0o1%5D.wagame

my bro wooped that time via quad tapping spacebar as fast as possible as soon as he gained control of his worm... death to your own worm means nothing in the "Super Sheep to the Rescue!" mission.

Lex

1 Sep 2006, 08:21

Not in the latest version of WA. That bug has been fixed.

franpa

1 Sep 2006, 08:25

we do it in 3.6.26.5 (which as far as i know is the latest publicly availible update)

special build info - Deadcode beta - 05 Jan 2006, 06:15:55 Pacific Standard Time

Lex

1 Sep 2006, 08:36

You lose. Export the log from this replay and you will see a "Mission Failed" string at the end. After I recorded it, the failed attempts value in my game increased by one.

franpa

1 Sep 2006, 08:55

you are right about the log but the game itself says mission complete and you get a gold medal for it unless you already have gold.

mr_awesome

1 Sep 2006, 09:31

I'm not going for records. I've finished every mission now. The upgraded banana bomb is awesome!! I'm still ranked as veteran in deathmatch though.

Oh and does anyone know the record for Artillery Range Training?

Lex

1 Sep 2006, 13:40

you are right about the log but the game itself says mission complete and you get a gold medal for it unless you already have gold.No. As you can see, I just tried it, and it told me I lost. I even said that in my post. You did the mission with the bug method before you updated the game. I know this factually. I would go into a big rant here about how wrong you are, but I really don't want to get into a flame war, ever. I don't like them. If you respond with some sort of flaming post, please note that I will not respond to it.

mr_awesome, I just tried the artillery training once, got exactly 2:00, and earned a bronze medal. It told me that I need 2:30 for a silver medal. I would assume that a gold medal requires a time of 3:00, but it's possible that it requires a time of 3:30. I have a time greater than 4:00 with my main team, Lunchpack Gang.

franpa

1 Sep 2006, 13:59

i originally updated straight to 3.6.26.5 but then decided to reinstall using the method described at nanacide which is to update to 3.0.50.0 first then 3.6.26.5 and this very much says i win.

3.0.00.0 => 3.0.50.0 => 3.6.26.5

i win the mission for killing myself and the CPU... and it says i win except for in the log.

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i just noticed that in both my replay below and the one you posted in reply to my allegation only show 1 crate to collect... however in this (http://nanacide.com/replays/%5Bwa14%5D%5B1%5D%5B4.04%5D%5Bc0o1%5D.wagame) replay there are 3 crates to get... thus i am confused... if my copy is buggy i can only think that the update file i got did not include updated mission files... i got my updates from http://wormsarmageddon.team17.com/ and i noticed discrepancies with several other missions and those from the nancide website.

Lex

1 Sep 2006, 14:35

There is a different number of crates based on the number of attempts made at the mission. c0o1 attempted the mission many times before his winning attempt. Our replays display the first attempt, and there is only one crate on the first attempt.

When a log is exported, WA uses all of its game engine algorithms without displaying the graphical part of it on-screen to calculate what happened in the game, from beginning to end. To determine whether the mission was won or not, it checks in exactly the same way as it would normally. If it says the mission was failed in the log, it says the mission was failed in the game.

Lex

1 Sep 2006, 16:08

mr_awesome, I got 2:28 and it was a silver medal. It told me what I needed to get gold, but I forgot to read it in my haste to get gold! :o After that, I overshot what I thought might be gold a little and got 5:47!

CyberShadow

1 Sep 2006, 21:35

Plasma

1 Sep 2006, 22:35

Lex, although I was expecting to get a result similar to yours, I have tried this myself and just crashing the sheep into the two worms qualifies as a pass. I've tried this with 0 and 15 mission tries, so I don't think that that matters.

Here's the video file to prove it: http://thecybershadow.net/dump/SuperSheepMissionBug.wmv
IIRC, it depended what version of the game you had. For example, the Sold-Out Software version doesn't allow you to win by killing both worms.

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 00:40

so... the original version before any updates/patches (v1.0.00.0) have different missions in it then the pre-patched version? (v3.0.00.0) thus making it impossible to get the fixed missions without purchasing a pre-patched copy of WA?

i think this is clear enough...

Regulator

2 Sep 2006, 00:53

Good clarification.

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 00:56

i reworded it again... is that clearer?

Lex

2 Sep 2006, 06:02

Lex, although I was expecting to get a result similar to yours, I have tried this myself and just crashing the sheep into the two worms qualifies as a pass. I've tried this with 0 and 15 mission tries, so I don't think that that matters.

Here's the video file to prove it: http://thecybershadow.net/dump/SuperSheepMissionBug.wmvWow! Did you try it with a team that had already beaten the mission? I humbly take back my rampage against Franpa. He was right. Now I've got to try with a new team!

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 07:58

i've been doing it with my bro's team which is way past that mission (he was the one that did it first [in my household]) and everytime the log for the replay file said mission failed yet the game said mission complete and gave us gold (unless we already had it) ... and it did not increase the number of attempts.

Lex

2 Sep 2006, 08:17

Okay, I've just played through the first 13 missions to get to that mission with a new team (though, now that I think about it, that wouldn't affect a single thing!), and, like I thought, on my game, it doesn't work. Franpa and/or CyberShadow, what are the contents of \Data\Resource\version.txt on your WA CDs? Mine are:V3.00U
26-5-99

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 08:19

V1.05e
19-1-99

possible what i suggested about different missions may be true.

Lex

2 Sep 2006, 08:28

It certainly is! Deadcode has the same version of WA as I have, which is surely why the bug fix worked for me.

Now, this begs another question. Deadcode fixed the same bug in Rescue Agent Dennis where, if your worm (Agent Dennis) died on the same turn that you killed the enemy worms, you would win. The fix changed this, requiring your worm to survive the entire match. Really, this is the same as in Super Sheep To The Rescue. Franpa, could you possibly check, in Rescue Agent Dennis, if you die while killing the last of the enemy worms, you win the mission? It's not that easy a mission, I know, but in the competitions for getting the mission records, we discovered this bug.

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 08:29

i shall try to beat the mission... as such brb.

mr_awesome

2 Sep 2006, 08:30

My rank is now Field Marshall.

Yay 3 more ranks to go!!

Lex

2 Sep 2006, 08:31

Good job! Keep up the good work! Deathmatch can be long and difficult.

mr_awesome

2 Sep 2006, 08:35

Hey do you know what the levels are for elite? How many teams do you play and what level are they and how many on each team? Oh and how many worms does your own team get?

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 09:11

lol i did the mission, beat it and don't fell like doing it again... i failed to kill myself at same time due to they died by the quake and i didn't...

edit: completed the mission on i think my 5th attempt.
edit2: i just watched CyberShdw's video and that is 100% accurate... i woulda made a video but fraps doesn't work for me... non of its hot keys actually work.

Lex

2 Sep 2006, 10:14

I decided to give beating Deadcode's-record on Rifle Range of 1:06:something.something a shot. I clocked 58:14.92 and tragically shot myself at the end. :( I had nearly 400 seconds clocked up, which alone, would have gotten me at least 6 minutes more! I only had to keep up my shooting for a little longer! That was so frustrating, playing for an hour and then simply shooting the ground. :(

Anyway, I still got the best time I've ever gotten. :)

franpa

2 Sep 2006, 10:53

FRAPS WORKS!!! i found some software to help with software trial protection/security. (and no it isnt a crack/serial)

laitcl

2 Sep 2006, 19:02

then just get a silver medal and see what time u need for gold

CyberShadow

2 Sep 2006, 21:18

Hey guys,

First of all, I didn't use FRAPS - I used a virtual machine and its video capture option. Then I used VirtualDub to reencode its huge (200+ MB, lossless compression) format into a format more suitable for web.

Lex, my CD is the same version as franpa's - that is, the early European version. We should exchange our .wam files to track down the differences.

And franpa, I can't think of any software that would help you bypass a program's demo version limitations that is OK with the end-user license agreement.

Stormrage

2 Sep 2006, 23:55

do you know if you are sure you will lose, minimizing the game and closing the W:A with task manager wont cause attempt or downsize?

Stormrage

2 Sep 2006, 23:57

and if you shoot yourself before time runs out in trainings, you will get about 10 bonus sec (in artillery range, +5 grenade detonation)

franpa

3 Sep 2006, 00:18

it removes all traces and undoes everything the demo installed/configured on my pc... thus when i reinstall it the software will act like it hasnt been used before and thus any limitations imposed will adversely be affected... i do not like stuff being installed without explicit consent and have that stuff remain on my pc even after uninstall of the product that installed the safeguards in the first place. (and i seriously hate it when they include info about it in there godforsaken licence agreements which are generaly 200+ words long.)

and since the wam files only take up
win XP - size on disk 5.97MB (6,262,784 bytes)

i will be more then happy to zip them and allow someone to analyze the differences.

CyberShadow

3 Sep 2006, 00:29

Ah, I didn't know FRAPS is working like a full version within a limited time. Yes, I guess that's acceptable since it's almost the same as a harddrive format and re-install.

I usually like to find the registry key/file myself with RegMon/FileMon and setting its date to 10 years in the future, or whatever. :)

CyberShadow

3 Sep 2006, 00:30

Oh. And back on topic.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4577/00000187nt4.png

US (3.0) CD version on the left, early European (1.0.2.0) CD version on the right.

franpa

3 Sep 2006, 00:43

exactly what i have found and now do basically ends up having the same result as a format...
and someone coulda said that you can view the wam files via a text editor like notepad.

the simplest fix would be to include the changed missions in the next update and adjust the exe to search its installed location for those changed missions rather then the cd.

mr_awesome

3 Sep 2006, 01:07

I don't wanna sound noobish (even though I am) but what is FRAPS?

CyberShadow

3 Sep 2006, 01:09

UTFG.

AKA, Use The Fabulous Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=fraps

franpa

3 Sep 2006, 02:42

something happened witch i hate so much is that using the "max statistics" option in teamED then completing a mission in WA results in your team file getting corrupted and as such next time you run WA your team file is recreated from scratch.

Lex

3 Sep 2006, 02:48

That has never happened with me. (I'm just adding some information, and not ignorantly denying that it happened to you, this time!)

mr_awesome

3 Sep 2006, 03:42

Yes I unlocked Full Wormage!!! The concrete donkey is awesome!!!

franpa

3 Sep 2006, 04:09

yea um first time i did a mission (after everything was unlocked in my team) was the sheep to the rescue and the game crashed every time i won it with my team but not with my bro's and then i did the rescue agent Dennis mission to verify the bug and won it... the next day we discovered that the game has lost all recollection of what our teams are and had defaulted back to no teams. (and no problem, since what i reported was in fact an unknown bug)

good job mr_awesome

Plasma

4 Sep 2006, 22:08

Well done, Mr Awesome.
Do you think you'll stick around the forum for a while anyway?

US (3.0) CD version on the left, early European (1.0.2.0) CD version on the right.
Hey, so I was right. It was the version of the game.

Vader

4 Sep 2006, 23:04

and someone coulda said that you can view the wam files via a text editor like notepad.
So, basically, you could modify the missions and recompile your WA CD so that the changes take effect in-game.

Meaning WA has a mission editor (of sorts).

Right?

franpa

4 Sep 2006, 23:49

no need to recompile the cd thanks to a file override module cybershdw has made... and yes you can edit the missions and play them in there edited form.

CyberShadow

4 Sep 2006, 23:54

Vader, yes, but you can also do it with wkFileOverride like franpa said. However, wkFileOverride wasn't able to override the mission files because it didn't intercept the INI files Windows API. Please re-download WormKit (http://maplecenter.net/wormkit/wormkit.zip) to get the new version, which allows mission customization.

Vader

5 Sep 2006, 00:07

Classy. :)

Lex

6 Sep 2006, 09:22

I find it odd that my nearly-an-hour rifle range replay hasn't been viewed by a single person yet. The start is really interesting. I posted it in this thread, post number 49 (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=529534&postcount=49).