System Shock 2

[Xinos]

I just got this old game. It predates Deus Ex and is made by the same people, and you can clearly notice it while playing. How did I miss this game before? It's awsome! The models are simplistic, but it still looks very good for such an old game, and it's much scarier than FEAR or Doom 3.

I just hate how modern games have to be so userfriendly. It's like, they give you a gun and you get to shoot the enemies, and you get too much help to make sure you know exactly every detail there is, when it's simple as hell. Treating you like a child. But not System Shock 2, here we got lots of menus, buttons, RPG system, and it's all figure it out as you go. To learn how to play this game you need to pay attention, find text and help that is scattered around the world and not have it fed to you.
Wonderfull. More games need to be like this. This game is clearly the result of a good idea, and not just just a tech demo that publishers want to throw out there to make money.

Thoose where the good old days when developers where not afraid of the possibility that every player would not understand every aspect of the game immidiatly. They have to be more daring, give the players options, don't explain everything; let the player figure things out as he or she goes.

There. I don't care if this thread dies immidiatly, but I needed to say something =P

[wigwam the]

I agree.

I find it annoying when the games are short, undetailed and the manual practically gives away everything in about 10 pages.

[Akuryou13]

I'm with you here. I want the old SNES RPGs back where the game itsself was used to play, not to instruct. if you didn't know how to play the game then you read the instruction manual. these days half the time there isn't even an instruction manual to go through or if there is it's more like a strategy guide than an instruction manual. going back and playing games like Tales of Phantasia on my DS made me so happy, because I actually had no idea how to fight, and the game didn't care. it was either look in the manual or figure it out yourself, none of the stuff like Black & White 2 where there are 4 seperate tutorials to teach you how to use the exact same button in the exact same way but in different directions each time.

I'm also with wigwam here. I want story-based games that I can play for a week, not a weekend. this 10 hours of gameplay thing is just irritating. bring back the 40 hour games again, I want my money's worth!

[bonz]

System Shock 2 is the second best game after Deus Ex.
The models are simplistic
You might want to get these mods:
A high-res texture mod (http://shtup.home.att.net/files/shtup_beta5.zip) and a high-polygon model mod (http://www.strangebedfellows.de/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8.0;attach=422).

And the official patch, which adds co-op multiplayer up to 4 players.
http://www.irrationalgames.com/shock2/

Many more smaller mods:
http://www.strangebedfellows.de/

I have never played the game in co-op mode but would really like to.

I also have found cutscenes with higher resolution somewhere.

[Xinos]

Cool, I'll definetly check thoose out.

Edit: Ehm, i tried the res upgrade pack, but the readme says to replace the folders in the game with the folders in the zip. But thoose folders do not excist. Perhaps this only works if the game is cracked and everything is run from the harddrive?

[AndrewTaylor]

Isn't this the game that can't be completed without downloading a patch? As I recall from when my brother bought it, there's a vital key that simply doesn't exist in the out-of-the-box version.

Just a heads up, in case anyone starts playing based on this thread.

[bonz]

the readme says to replace the folders in the game with the folders in the zip. But thoose folders do not excist.
Do you have downloaded these two files?
High polygon mod:
rebirth01_complemented.zip
High resolutions texture mod:
shtup_beta5.zip

Doesn't say anything about replacing something. Just extract the contents of the archive to your install folder.
Check the readme for the latter though! There you have to create a folder, move some files into it and edit the changed paths in the config file.

This .exe is fixed for WinXP/2K:
www.brave.net.nz/shock2_xp_2000_fix.zip
Isn't this the game that can't be completed without downloading a patch? As I recall from when my brother bought it, there's a vital key that simply doesn't exist in the out-of-the-box version.
I don't know.
The only thing I know is that the game can crash while loading a certain level somewhere throughout the game.

I can't remember what I did to continue in the next level.
Don't know if the fixed exe from before helps.

The best info normally is to be found at www.ttlg.com, but their forums are down due to a server crash.

[Xinos]

Ah, didn't realise it was a texture pack for the high resolution models.

Edit: Are the enemies infinite? They just don't stop coming!

[bonz]

Edit: Are the enemies infinite? They just don't stop coming!
Yes, enemies respawn continuously.

When patched you can do this though:

Try any of the following commands (which can be placed in your user.cfg file or typed from the console):

* undead: can’t die
* ubermensch: all stats and skills to maximum
* no_spawn: reduces enemy spawning (requires patch!)
* gun_degrade_rate = 0: eliminates gun breakage

[bonz]

http://www.ttlg.com and http://www.sshock2.com are back online.

[farazparsa]

Yay! Wait what?

[bonz]

Use this wallpaper while playing System Shock 2:
http://www.sshock2.com/fanworks/artwork/digital_shodan.jpg

[Xinos]

I'm stuck in the game. Running around in the place where you get to make a clone backup of yourself. I can't get anywhere, got no Hack or Research skill, so some doors are un-available.