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Star Worms

24 May 2006, 21:08

How easy are your parents to manipulate?

Firstly I'd try asking them if they'd buy you a guitar as music is a good hobby and is educational.

Secondly, if they won't buy it for you, ask if they would for your birthday/xmas. They're unlikely to refuse (although I guess it depends on the parent) but the downside is your birthday/xmas may be a long way away.

You could say you're buying one anyway, which will involve you getting a job. That would require them to decide between letting you get a job or buying you a guitar.

You could also try asking for a raise in pocket money and saving it up instead of spending it. Doing this at the same time as the above though, they might think you're being very demanding.

SuperBlob

24 May 2006, 21:16

How easy are your parents to manipulate?

Firstly I'd try asking them if they'd buy you a guitar as music is a good hobby and is educational.Tried it

Secondly, if they won't buy it for you, ask if they would for your birthday/xmas. They're unlikely to refuse (although I guess it depends on the parent) but the downside is your birthday/xmas may be a long way away.Tried it

You could say you're buying one anyway, which will involve you getting a job. That would require them to decide between letting you get a job or buying you a guitar.Wouldn't work

You could also try asking for a raise in pocket money and saving it up instead of spending it. Doing this at the same time as the above though, they might think you're being very demanding.Me mum is trying to get me dad raise pocket money. Seeing as we get £20 every few months. And with so many great CDs D:

Star Worms

24 May 2006, 21:23

Well they'll need to get you something for your birthday and it's not that far away. I'm sure if you persist...

bonz

25 May 2006, 01:32

Hmm...
My first job (at the age of 14) was at the local builder's yard of the commune I lived in.
I had to mow the lawn all over the village, worked with an angle grinder, made 2 rocking horses for the playground and demolished the old kindergarten with a remote control crane.
That 1 month in summer got me ~500€.

Other solutions:
Ask other relatives.
Build your own guitar.

WormGod

25 May 2006, 06:08

Problem - I can't animate too well :p

Then we can both make a Flash together, and we'd both be happy :p

Phat Lewt

25 May 2006, 14:06

I need it for a guitar. Does anyone have any ideas of how I could make some easily, without having a job? I would try to get a job, but my parents won't let me D:Aw...the little newblet with the Yamaha Pacifica...:p no no j/k.

Ah...hm...getting money without a job...that's a tough one...:rolleyes:

Anyway, the kind of jobs you can get when you're forteen are stupidly poorly paid, its bloody slave labour for the hours my friends put in.I fix computers at Best Buy for around 13 pounds, converted, an hour. I have to deal with lots of weirdos complaining about their computers, but I can get 10 pounds for putting a computer into safe mode and playing around :p

Well, what are your grades, Superblob? If they're bad, I can understand your parents' decision...

SuperBlob

25 May 2006, 16:26

Well, what are your grades, Superblob? If they're bad, I can understand your parents' decision...
Well, in the first report, mostly Bs, except graphics, English and RE, in which I got Cs (This is the first year of graphics, and no-one in me family cares about RE), then at parents evening, when my parents talked to my English teacher, she said that I was good at working, I just need a better vocabulary to push me grades up from the 2 Bs I got in coursework.

(Killers)

25 May 2006, 16:59

Be a gigolo.

pilot62

25 May 2006, 18:39

Somehow I don't think his parents would think much of that idea either.

Phat Lewt

25 May 2006, 19:40

Well, in the first report, mostly Bs, except graphics, English and RE, in which I got Cs (This is the first year of graphics, and no-one in me family cares about RE), then at parents evening, when my parents talked to my English teacher, she said that I was good at working, I just need a better vocabulary to push me grades up from the 2 Bs I got in coursework.Religion in schools? What poor British counterparts...tsk tsk tsk.:p

Uh, well, any bakesales happening? As a last ditch?

edit: Y'know from the title, I thought we'd be discussing Floyd...:(

SuperBlob

25 May 2006, 19:43

Religion in schools? What poor British counterparts...tsk tsk tsk.:p
Hey, you're OUR counterparts, remember? :p
edit: Y'know from the title, I thought we'd be discussing Floyd...:(
Heh, I hate Floyd, so...nyeh :p

Alien King

25 May 2006, 19:45

Religion in schools? What poor British counterparts...tsk tsk tsk.:p

Religious Education/Studies

It's nothing very big and is ignored by everyone in my school (it's only neccessary to do half a GSCE at my school in RE).

AndrewTaylor

25 May 2006, 19:52

Religion in schools? What poor British counterparts...tsk tsk tsk.:p
I take it you're aware that the idea is to teach people about rekigion, not to teach people to follow a religion? It's quite nice, this whole Tolerant Society lark. You guys should try it some time.

Phat Lewt

25 May 2006, 19:55

I take it you're aware that the idea is to teach people about rekigion, not to teach people to follow a religion? It's quite nice, this whole Tolerant Society lark. You guys should try it some time.No, just the concept of religion in schools. Whether to teach or follow it.

Ignorance doesn't equal Intolerance, AFAIK.

Cyclaws

25 May 2006, 19:56

(it's only neccessary to do half a GSCE at my school in RE).
Exactly!

http://www.kevinstreetonline.com/index.php?itemid=36

AndrewTaylor

25 May 2006, 19:57

Ignorance doesn't equal Intolerance, AFAIK.
Well no, in the same way that Monday doesn't equal Tuesday. Once you have one the other is very rarely far behind.

Phat Lewt

25 May 2006, 19:59

Well no, in the same way that Monday doesn't equal Tuesday. Once you have one the other is very rarely far behind.hm.

But the more you know, the more complex conlusions you can make and along comes some bigotry and racism. So the solution is to erase all knowledge and not teach anything and have all of us live in sponge rooms.

OH YES.:p

Alien King

25 May 2006, 20:49

No, just the concept of religion in schools. Whether to teach or follow it.

You're taught (in my school anyway) what members of the religion believe and their general views. You're not taught that it is true or false or that you should believe it. The whole of my RE course focuses on Christianity anyway and for some reason I chose to do the full course for the full GSCE.

Teaching to believe is not something for a school to do.

Exactly!

http://www.kevinstreetonline.com/index.php?itemid=36

I do the full course though. So I get the full GSCE, but I have to do two exams and I get one lesson a week for the 18 months

MrBunsy

25 May 2006, 20:52

Teaching to believe is not something for a school to do.Unless it's a relgious school. But then you know what it is before you join it.

If you know anything about computers you cna make money by fixing them for people. That's what I've done before now.

pilot62

25 May 2006, 21:28

You're taught (in my school anyway) what members of the religion believe and their general views. You're not taught that it is true or false or that you should believe it. The whole of my RE course focuses on Christianity anyway and for some reason I chose to do the full course for the full GSCE.

Teaching to believe is not something for a school to do.RE in my school is taught by a devout and opinionated catholic who has been known to tell classes that Muslims are sexually promiscuous, so I think you can guess the kind of stuff we're taught.

Also, I have a philosophy and ethics (basicaly RE (and only christianity at that)) exam tommorow, and I've just finished three hours of revising, which has reinforced my opinion that RE as a subject is rubbish.

Alien King

25 May 2006, 21:30

RE in my school is taught by a devout and opinionated catholic who has been known to tell classes that Muslims are sexually promiscuous, so I think you can guess the kind of stuff we're taught.

I'm taught by my History teacher who doesn't technically have the RE qualifications, but he's pretty good.

MrBunsy

25 May 2006, 21:33

Also, I have a philosophy and ethics (basicaly RE (and only christianity at that)) exam tommorow, and I've just finished three hours of revising, which has reinforced my opinion that RE as a subject is rubbish.Hehe, yep. The more you study the Catholic Church the more broken it appears. Best bit of RE is arguing with the teacher.

pilot62

25 May 2006, 21:35

I'm taught by my History teacher who doesn't technically have the RE qualifications, but he's pretty good.
We're taught by one who does and she's evil.

She makes me laugh though, partly because she's completely clueless, and partly as she views the Da Vinci code as a plot against religion.

The church was stupid to condemn that; its fiction, it never claimed to be true.

SuperBlob

25 May 2006, 21:35

Pfft, I can't be bothered to try at all in RE. I was tempted to answer all the questions in the RE exam I had yesterday with "God God God God God God is great God God God God God God Let's all love God, lalalalal God God God" or something of that ilk. I know one person who put "Love thy neighbour" in every answer too :p

pilot62

25 May 2006, 21:42

Hehe, yep. The more you study the Catholic Church the more broken it appears. Best bit of RE is arguing with the teacher.
Indeed it is, especialy when your teacher's both an idiot AND stupidly opinionated.

Can I ask you, do you think that, as Immanual Kant said, the fact that there is evil in the world proves that there must logicaly be an afterlife, and logically good actions must have a reward and vice versa, and without an afterlife life would be unfair? :(

She seems to think that, which is another reason we ridicule her

In my mock exam, and my coursework come to that, I mocked that obviously flawed logic (and some other stuff, which in no way led to my teachers opinion of me going up). Also, my word count in my coursework, completely by accident, was 666. :D

Plasma

25 May 2006, 22:08

The church was stupid to condemn that; its fiction, it never claimed to be true.
The church condemned the Northern Lights books, for bleeding sakes. (can't remember the proper name for them)

Cyclaws

25 May 2006, 22:12

The church condemned the Northern Lights books, for bleeding sakes. (can't remember the proper name for them)
Philip Pullman's Dark Materials?

pilot62

25 May 2006, 22:32

Philip Pullman's Dark Materials?
Yes, and on the other side of the scale atheists condemned narnia as religious propoganda for children

The church, and other demononations, really don't do themselves any favours by condemning these books: A. because they're fiction and B. because it makes them look like complete gits.

Star Worms

25 May 2006, 23:19

The only thing RE taught me was how little evidence there was for religions. Oh, and how to confuse the teacher by using my tv remote watch...

Now let's get back on topic...

The_Reapr

25 May 2006, 23:38

Aye, I find my RE course to be most interesting. Especially since it's more about ethical issues and then learning bible quotes, instead of the old SS Propaganda route.

And also overwatching that hilarious claymation The Miracle Maker.

Anyhoo, as I suggested to you over MSN, I recommend either getting a secret job, doing sexual favours, or doing 'chores' for the mob. Just don't open the mystery box.

Or, as I prefer to do, pretend you understand Psychology, make up something that sounds insightful, and charge over-angsty emos for advice.

Ethics? What ethics?

Star Worms

26 May 2006, 00:43

doing sexual favours
I would recommend against that considering he is 14 and underage.

The_Reapr

26 May 2006, 00:47

I would recommend against that considering he is 14 and underage.

Yet chores for the mob is still valid? :p

I kid, I kid. But I have thought of something.

Have you thought about Broadway?...

bonz

26 May 2006, 01:00

What about playing air guitar?

WormGod

26 May 2006, 08:45

What about playing air guitar?

rofl .

MrBunsy

26 May 2006, 09:24

Can I ask you, do you think that, as Immanual Kant said, the fact that there is evil in the world proves that there must logicaly be an afterlife, and logically good actions must have a reward and vice versa, and without an afterlife life would be unfair? :(I wouldn't think that, no. That's what the Hindu's beleive, but the reason Christians do good is because they love God, rather than the other way around (doing good for the reward). Whatever you beleive though, I still wouldn't say it was logic because what's illogical about life being unfair? However, I haven't exactly thought it through, and Immanual Kant was a philosopher aparently so he probably thougt it over longer than I did.

What about playing air guitar?Sell air guitars on ebay!

Horigan

26 May 2006, 11:41

We're taught by one who does and she's evil.

She makes me laugh though, partly because she's completely clueless, and partly as she views the Da Vinci code as a plot against religion.

The church was stupid to condemn that; its fiction, it never claimed to be true.

Ahem:

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

By extension, the book asserts that, in truth, not fiction: 1) The New Testament is not the "true" account of the life of Jesus. Rather, the Gnostic Gospels tell the true story. 2) Jesus was not fully God and fully man, as taught in Scripture and affirmed by early church creeds, but was merely a man who was declared divine by an emperor's decree hundreds of years after the fact. 3) Jesus married Mary Magdalene and fathered children, founding a royal bloodline that exists to this day. 4) The first leader of the church was not any of the apostles but rather Mary Magdalene, and this fact was covered up and any dissent ruthlessly crushed by the Roman Catholic church. 5) A secret society called the Priory of Sion, founded in 1099, exists to expose the "truth" that the church is hiding. 6) The Catholic group Opus Dei is the church's arm tasked with crushing this opposition.

I don't pretend to defend your teacher, from what you're saying I'd guess I'd have an even harder time in your class than you do. And no offense to Catholics, but I don't make any attempt to hide my contempt of the Catholic Church.

Back on topic, I really can't help you much. The only thing I can think of is chores for the neighbors, which was already mentioned. Sorry.

bonz

26 May 2006, 13:04

Ahem:
All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298482/
The events in this motion picture are true.
Once again, and it cannot be stressed enough, it is vitally important to understand that every single thing in this movie is true.
Totally and completely true.
Thank you.

WormGod

26 May 2006, 13:46

You can still have multiple quotes?

TestingTesting123

I never knew.

pilot62

26 May 2006, 16:48

Whatever you beleive though, I still wouldn't say it was logic because what's illogical about life being unfair? However, I haven't exactly thought it through, and Immanual Kant was a philosopher apparently so he probably thought it over longer than I did.

No, I think you hit the nail on the head there, I'm not saying whether or not god exists, but Immanuel Kant's logic is utter twaddle.

And Horigan, you've mad it blatantly obvious you haven't read the book, or at least not understood it.

For a start, the descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals probably are accurate, its not my forte, but I have heard tell of scrolls which do say things contrary to what modern churches believe. Yet, just because these things are accurate, doesn't mean he is claiming definitively that Mary Magdalene was the holy grail etc. Its fiction, its not meant to be taken as 'gospel truth' as it were.

And also, opus dei wasn't written as a catholic arm trying to suppress the truth, although if it were we could see why Tessa Jowel is a member. No, what happens is that the Bishop Aringarosa is trying to obtain the grail because he thinks it will give him the power to prevent the Vatican severing links with opus dei. Its also worth mentioning that Aringarosa and Silas are doing it alone, and the rest of opus dei isn't involved.

Alien King

26 May 2006, 17:09

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298482/

That was classed as fiction though.

As is I believe, the Da Vinci Code

robowurmz

26 May 2006, 17:48

Problem - I can't animate too well :p
You get £250 if you take a really funny video of your self and send it to "You've been framed" TV show. (British, sorry.)

Ahem:

By extension, the book asserts that, in truth, not fiction: 1) The New Testament is not the "true" account of the life of Jesus. Rather, the Gnostic Gospels tell the true story. 2) Jesus was not fully God and fully man, as taught in Scripture and affirmed by early church creeds, but was merely a man who was declared divine by an emperor's decree hundreds of years after the fact. 3) Jesus married Mary Magdalene and fathered children, founding a royal bloodline that exists to this day. 4) The first leader of the church was not any of the apostles but rather Mary Magdalene, and this fact was covered up and any dissent ruthlessly crushed by the Roman Catholic church. 5) A secret society called the Priory of Sion, founded in 1099, exists to expose the "truth" that the church is hiding. 6) The Catholic group Opus Dei is the church's arm tasked with crushing this opposition.
Have you ever actually thought how offensive this is to Christians? Why is it that whenever somebody says a load of twaddle about, say, Bhuddists, they get completely and totally flamed about being politically correct, whereas if someone speaks out against Christianity there is no outcry of "RACIST!!! :eek:" whatsoever?

Pfft, I can't be bothered to try at all in RE. I was tempted to answer all the questions in the RE exam I had yesterday with "God God God God God God is great God God God God God God Let's all love God, lalalalal God God God" or something of that ilk. I know one person who put "Love thy neighbour" in every answer too :p
Heck, you could be done for Racism if anybody cared....

pilot62

26 May 2006, 18:15

Its called free speech, and just because some fanatics from other religions hate it doesn't mean Christianity shouldn't have to accept it.

Heck, you could be done for Racism if anybody cared....No he couldn't, IIRC racism isn't a crime, its discriminating against people, or using threatening language, on the grounds of race/religion that is illegal.

I'm not sure though, as I seem to remember people being dragged through the courts for comments made in private, which were overheard or recorded.

SuperBlob

26 May 2006, 18:17

You get £250 if you take a really funny video of your self and send it to "You've been framed" TV show. (British, sorry.)
1 - I AM English.
2 - No camera
3 - I would not stoop to that level.
4 - You just triple posted for christs sake
5 - How would God god god be racist?
6 - And it's religion-ist anyway :p

AndrewTaylor

26 May 2006, 19:04

Have you ever actually thought how offensive this is to Christians? Why is it that whenever somebody says a load of twaddle about, say, Bhuddists, they get completely and totally flamed about being politically correct, whereas if someone speaks out against Christianity there is no outcry of "RACIST!!! :eek:" whatsoever?
What? Yes there is. There were violent protests agains the Jerry Springer opera just earlier this year.

Alien King

26 May 2006, 19:12

if someone speaks out against Christianity there is no outcry of "RACIST!!! :eek:" whatsoever?

Happens quite a lot actually.

robowurmz

26 May 2006, 20:47

Happens quite a lot actually.
Well not in Scotland.
Sadly, a lot of bullying goes on in Scottish schools...i was a victim.
;(
But now I have.....F.R.I.E.N.D.S (*"I'll be there for you" song plays*)
:p :p :p :p

pilot62

26 May 2006, 23:48

Well not in Scotland.
Sadly, a lot of bullying goes on in Scottish schools...i was a victim.
;(
But now I have.....F.R.I.E.N.D.S (*"I'll be there for you" song plays*)
:p :p :p :p
You suprise me.

I wouldn't imagine Scotland would be much different to the rest of Britain of this issue. Generaly speaking, for the whole of the country, its much more acceptable to insult Christianity than other religions like Islam, yet the church does still speak out quite a fair bit.

bonz

27 May 2006, 04:49

Religion sucks. Really.
a lot of bullying goes on in Scottish schools
Scotland, huh?
All you need is a longsword...
"There Can Be Only One."

MrBunsy

27 May 2006, 08:41

I wouldn't imagine Scotland would be much different to the rest of Britain of this issue. Generaly speaking, for the whole of the country, its much more acceptable to insult Christianity than other religions like Islam, yet the church does still speak out quite a fair bit.That's probably partly becuase Europe has had Christians for a very long time, and partly because a Christian shouldn't attack back if they're actually a Christain.

Religion sucks. Really.Hmm, anyone read Small Gods by Terry Pratchett? I like his descriptions of religion, it fits the Catholic church nicely. They beleived something once, but now they're stuck in their ruddy tradition and don't beleive or do anything much (as a generalisation).

Anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic, but it's interesting and it looks like it's staying civil too!

Alien King

27 May 2006, 09:19

Hmm, anyone read Small Gods by Terry Pratchett?

There are so many left for me to read...

AndrewTaylor

27 May 2006, 10:25

You suprise me.

I wouldn't imagine Scotland would be much different to the rest of Britain of this issue. Generaly speaking, for the whole of the country, its much more acceptable to insult Christianity than other religions like Islam, yet the church does still speak out quite a fair bit.
I don't know that it is more accepted to insult Christianity than Islam. It's just that fewer people dare to insult Islam because there are more than a few nutters around the place who are quite happy to kill you for it.

Also, Christianity is easier to mock beause most people in this country know a lot more about it (with the obvious exception of a lot of the Christians themselves, who seem to be under the impression, for example, that when a good Christian dies they go to heaven, when the Bible says they don't). A terribly clever joke about Islam is likely to go over the heads of most people.

Edit: Monstrous Regiment is an interesting take on the whole idea of religion, but it's one of the weaker Discworld books and probably the very worst one to read if you're new to the Discworld, because it won't make any sense.

pilot62

27 May 2006, 12:18

Monstrous regiment was the first one I read, and it mostly made sense to me at the time.

I found the idea of abominations interesting, because it reminded me of the old Catholic church that could, and would, ban things on a whim.

I think it is More accepted to insult Christianity on a lower level. If, for instance, you were to say "Christians are idiots" to a group of friends, no one would care very much, assuming none of them were actually Christian, yet if you were to say "Muslims are idiots" people would immediately say you were being racist.

I knew someone who, for no reason at all, would go up to random people and insult them, but he would never do it to people who weren't white, claiming that that would be racist. I pointed out to him that he was unfairly discriminating against white people, and he agreed, but he still wouldn't insult them (of course, it would have been better if he'd have stopped insulting anyone, but he was a prat). The point is most people are brought up to believe that its ok to insult white people but not black people, the same goes for Christianity and Islam.

Of course that's at a lower level, with normal people, its generally fairer at a higher level.

Dimworm

28 May 2006, 11:20

I need it for a guitar. Does anyone have any ideas of how I could make some easily, without having a job? I would try to get a job, but my parents won't let me D:

You could always start gigging. My band's been together for just over 2 months now, and we've just been signed by our local radio station - we're getting £120 per small gig, and £250 for larger ones. And we get all our gigs arranged for us if we want. After a couple of those, you'd easily be able to afford a new guitar. What guitar are you looking at buying, anywho?

SuperBlob

28 May 2006, 17:38

http://www.elderly.com/fmic/items/FTCFMT-CRT.htm
I would try gigging, but any band that I'm in has a problem getting off the ground. I'm starting up a new metally hard rocky (basically playing stuff like AC/DC, Rage Against the Machine an Iron Maiden) sort of band, so hopefully this will go a bit better than any others so far.

And Phat Lewt, that ***s any Flying Vs :p

Star Worms

28 May 2006, 18:10

I'm not surprised you're not getting it with that price tag. You could ask for a cheaper guitar for now and then get a better one when you can get a job and earn more money.

Actually, having said that, my saxophone cost about £600...

SuperBlob

28 May 2006, 18:13

I'm not surprised you're not getting it with that price tag. You could ask for a cheaper guitar for now and then get a better one when you can get a job and earn more money.
I already have a cheaper guitar :p
And I should be allowed it seeing as my sister got a laptop which was around about the same price for her birthday...

pilot62

28 May 2006, 23:22

My friends earned a shed load of money getting sponsored for a cycle ride round the isle of white, which was for their DofE anyway.

I think that might have been given to charity*, but you don't have to tell people what its for, or you could always lie.

*I'm not sure about that, at the very least they got free meals at several local restaurants.