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Kjatte
16 Oct 2008, 19:30
Check it out! I made it for a thread i read on this forum ;)
http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=31936&stc=1&d=1224181613

Mordi
16 Oct 2008, 20:19
Radical!
The hands look totally real, and the rest looks almost real, but not quite.
That must have taken days to make!

WormGod
16 Oct 2008, 20:42
Hey, I know you're Kjatte, and all, but you might want to keep your art in just one thread before you reach jJar status when people don't care for that.
That said, I really like that picture, much more so than the Obama Clown thing. You've got a great talent for painting and blending, and the worm overall looks superb. The balloons and the shadows especially could be done less hastily, but you're on the right tracks in terms of 2D art.

Kjatte
16 Oct 2008, 22:10
Yeah, I know. Don't worry!
Yeah, the shadows could need some more work! This is like my 2nd or 3rd digital painting! I've never been good at real painting.
Thanks for the comment mordi! I made it in a few hours!

Metal Alex
17 Oct 2008, 00:21
The thing seems to have odd proportions at some spots, but being the 2nd or 3rd, it'll get better without even trying. Not to mention the detail is perfect already.

Akuryou13
17 Oct 2008, 01:45
the shading is attempting to be 3D, but at the same time the edges look extremely flat. the way you've colored it looks something along the lines of a cardboard cut out of a very nice drawing.
the proportions are horribly, horribly wrong, though :p from the hands to the tail to the head. it just looks wonky. a lot of the problem comes from the complete lack of perspective as well. everything looks like it's SUPPOSED to be in perspective but it's very definitely not.
that's my 2 cents.

Kjatte
17 Oct 2008, 08:40
It's not supposed to be a masterpiece akuryou ;) What do you mean about the proportions? How are the hands not in proportion?
Thanks for your 2 cents though :D

Plasma
17 Oct 2008, 10:16
Look at the fingers. I sincerely doubt you can say they're properly proportions.
Wait...
Okay, why does one hand have four fingers, and the other five?

Kjatte
17 Oct 2008, 10:18
Look at the fingers. I sincerely doubt you can say they're properly proportions.
Wait...
Okay, why does one hand have four fingers, and the other five?
Meh, who cares anyway?
Sure one hand has more fingers than the others, but the proportions on the body and face has nothing wrong to them. If you aim is a perfect copy of Team17's concept art, then yes it sucks, but that is not what I'm trying to do. This is my art style and I draw it the way I want!

bonz
17 Oct 2008, 14:16
Title:
Invisible Worm stealing a lollipop makes Baby sad.
Nice work!
Compared to the usual, utter crap (5 minute MS Paint "master pieces") posted in here, this is actually very good.
It also has its distinctive style; the same that the Obama Clown already had.
Actually looks like bump-mapped textures to me.
And the slight disproportion is rather charming.
You should expand on that.

Akuryou13
17 Oct 2008, 14:27
It's not supposed to be a masterpiece akuryou ;) yes, well, if you're posting art in a public place you should pretty much expect suggestions for improvement where improvement can be made :p
What do you mean about the proportions? How are the hands not in proportion?
Thanks for your 2 cents though :Dthe baby's right hand (the one on the left) is pretty well exactly the same size as its left hand. this may be because of the extra finger, but it looks off. its not proportionately small enough to appear further away, as it should be.
proportions may not have been the right word for the rest of the problems I was seeing. perspective or angles would be the better term, and the rest of the angles are very obviously out of whack :p the eyes are at an extremely odd angle that throws off the face completely and the baby hood thing (whatever it's called) appears to stretch to some strange angle that should be the far eye given the angle of the mouth, but is instead something like the other cheek. I think it wouldn't be too off if the mouth and body were angled more towards the screen, but one of those 2 things is very off :p the bow tied on the front of said hood thing is also perfectly aligned with the viewer's viewpoint and it should be at an angle.
basically, the whole thing looks like it's been drawn at about 7 or 8 different angles and the effect of the shading makes all those angles look flat. it throws off the eye....a lot...
Meh, who cares anyway?
Sure one hand has more fingers than the others, but the proportions on the body and face has nothing wrong to them. If you aim is a perfect copy of Team17's concept art, then yes it sucks, but that is not what I'm trying to do. This is my art style and I draw it the way I want!and no, don't worry. I'm not trying to make you stick to the T17 style. just to draw the style you used in better proportion and perspective.
edit: I should mention that the flatness of the whole thing is fine if that's what you were going for in your style. the coloring is very well done, it's just with the rest of the perspective wonkiness it throws the viewer off.

Kjatte
17 Oct 2008, 16:58
Title:
Invisible Worm stealing a lollipop makes Baby sad.
Nice work!
Compared to the usual, utter crap (5 minute MS Paint "master pieces") posted in here, this is actually very good.
It also has its distinctive style; the same that the Obama Clown already had.
Actually looks like bump-mapped textures to me.
And the slight disproportion is rather charming.
You should expand on that.
Finally someone who's got it! ;) What's cool about drawing rather than 3D is that you can have so called impossible perspective! It doesn't have to be 100% realistic!
Thanks! ;)

MtlAngelus
17 Oct 2008, 21:01
Finally someone who's got it! ;) What's cool about drawing rather than 3D is that you can have so called impossible perspective! It doesn't have to be 100% realistic!
Thanks! ;)
Regardless of that, it is often considered that if an image looks displeasing* to the eye then it can be improved. (*Offensive/horror/disgusting art is not to be included in this statement, since the whole purpose of it is to cause that reaction :p)
In the case of your picture, even if it shows a good attempt at shading, it has rushed background and shadows, and it has that overall feeling of being a quick sketch without a purpose. The image fails to give much of an impression, there's not much to look at, so people will loose interest in it pretty fast.
You shouldn't react so negatively to the criticism here, all we're trying to do is get people to actually put thought into their drawings, so that we end up with a forum filled with art that is fun to look at, instead of random little drawings of worms.
That's why so many people admire people like Splapp/HuntaKilla for their attention to detail, or Paul.Power and Zeor for their often hilarious comics(one panel comics in the case of Paul, mostly), or Slick for his simplistic yet incredibly expressive style, etc.

Plasma
17 Oct 2008, 22:54
What's cool about drawing rather than 3D is that you can have so called impossible perspective! It doesn't have to be 100% realistic!
That's not a good thing.

Akuryou13
18 Oct 2008, 01:58
Finally someone who's got it! ;) What's cool about drawing rather than 3D is that you can have so called impossible perspective! It doesn't have to be 100% realistic!
Thanks! ;)I don't care if it was your intent. if it looks bad it looks bad. that's not the viewer's fault :p

bonz
18 Oct 2008, 09:35
What is it people?
Have you ever looked at the works by Pablo Picasso?
Those are the most weird, disproportioned, out-of-perspective pieces of art.
Yet still they are very successful and sold for high prices.
Now shut up.
We're not in the 19th century and realism anymore.

Akuryou13
18 Oct 2008, 14:59
What is it people?
Have you ever looked at the works by Pablo Picasso?
Those are the most weird, disproportioned, out-of-perspective pieces of art.
Yet still they are very successful and sold for high prices.
Now shut up.
We're not in the 19th century and realism anymore.yes, but I can look at picasso and appreciate the quirkiness of his style BECAUSE it's so off. this drawing was in the middle. it looks almost realistic but still wildly out of proportion. if he'd picked one side or the other I wouldn't have batted an eye lash. as it is, it just looks wonky and misshapen.
I whole-heartedly endorse the idea of warping the shape and style of a worm. feel free to do so, but if you're going to do that, then do that, don't try to keep it in the middle somewhere.

robowurmz
18 Oct 2008, 16:11
This picture is in fact aesthetically displeasing. Meaning, looking at it jars the senses, namely the ocular senses. Mayhap you should take the criticisms of your fellow artificiers?

tal05
18 Oct 2008, 16:41
Check it out! I made it for a thread i read on this forum ;)
http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=31936&stc=1&d=1224181613
To be honest, i don't think it looks great. The effects might be good but i don't think it works well with worms at all.
But thats just my opinion

super_frea
18 Oct 2008, 17:19
I would agree. Although I'm not sure why. There's just something about it. It's like too confusing and cluttered. At least it's different though I guess.

Pyramid
19 Oct 2008, 22:58
I really like surealistic style, and that's almost it, but like Aku said, it's in the middle of two terms and that's what make it look weird. If it was far more surealistic I would enjoy alot...
Besides the fingers and the eyes position, the other thing that annoys me is those balloons shadows. One shadow is completeley set in different direction than other and that look so wrong :-/
So, for a reslistic draw, I wouldn't like the colours and the face, the proportions and shadows. For a surealistic draw, I wouldn't like way that is too plain and simple, too realistic...
Since it's a middle term, I don't know what to say...

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