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Iguana
13 Jan 2007, 21:11
I lol'd. (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14920&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000010)
Funny how he used to go on about how the Wii is going to be a niche console 'for the younger crowd' (or something like that) and Sony is their true adversary just a few months ago.

AndrewTaylor
14 Jan 2007, 00:03
Bill Gates can read sales figures and determine which of two numbers is twice as big as the other? Well done him.

Paul.Power
14 Jan 2007, 13:45
[Microsoft can]... ride a silicon cost-reduction curve faster than Sony can.
That is such a wonderful image.
WHEEEEE

Preasure
15 Jan 2007, 20:14
That is such a wonderful image.
WHEEEEE
Anyone feel like dropping Gates into a linerider mod?

Paul.Power
15 Jan 2007, 20:18
Anyone feel like dropping Gates into a linerider mod?
SiliconCostReductionCurveRider!
Pointless, but hilarious.

*Splinter*
15 Jan 2007, 21:59
Toughest competition? The 360 shouldnt even be IN the competition.
Everything it can do, PS3 does better.
Competition is PS3 and Wii, which are both entirely different. PS3 diet 360 is nothing.

SuperBlob
15 Jan 2007, 22:02
Everything it can do, PS3 does better.
What about sell? :p

AndrewTaylor
15 Jan 2007, 22:09
Everything it can do, PS3 does better.
That's not strictly true, is it? For one thing, it's been released and there are a reasonable amount of them on the shelves (and more to the point, they're different ones every month or so). For another, it's $200 cheaper. And it has more games. And I think XBL is rather better than the PS3's online system.

Pieboy337
15 Jan 2007, 23:43
I am happy to know that nintendo is the biggest competition. I am not a huge fan of microsoft because of windows, but I dont mind the 360. It is sony I despise.

Slick
16 Jan 2007, 01:06
Well at the CES show, Microsoft has shown it's plans to make the 360 and the new Vista, compatible. Not a huge surprise, but the things they were showing were pretty cool. PS3 can't do that.
The main problem with the 360 and the PS3 though, is that they aren't really going for gaming and fun, but just trying to be more impressive than one another. While Nintendo is just going for new/fun/creative etc. And thus kicking both of it's competition in the nuts with sales. If I wanted a realistic game that you drive in, I'd just go drive my car. Gas is expensive and all, but it's still cheaper than paying far out the ass for a $600 system with graphics that are only so realistic. :p

MtlAngelus
16 Jan 2007, 08:14
Well at the CES show, Microsoft has shown it's plans to make the 360 and the new Vista, compatible. Not a huge surprise, but the things they were showing were pretty cool. PS3 can't do that.
The main problem with the 360 and the PS3 though, is that they aren't really going for gaming and fun, but just trying to be more impressive than one another. While Nintendo is just going for new/fun/creative etc. And thus kicking both of it's competition in the nuts with sales. If I wanted a realistic game that you drive in, I'd just go drive my car. Gas is expensive and all, but it's still cheaper than paying far out the ass for a $600 system with graphics that are only so realistic. :p
Good luck going at stupidly high speed witouth getting arrested, surviving an awesome crash, or running over people.

Akuryou13
16 Jan 2007, 09:46
What about sell? :pPAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! well said! well said indeed!
and *splinter* the 360 can do everything the PS3 can do plus it's $200 cheaper, has a well-established online system that works rather well, and is soon to be directly playable with a vista computer. the PS3 is a PS2 with awesome graphics and a wii-wannabe controller. granted, it's more powerful thant he PS2, but no more innovative. the 360 and the Wii are both innovative. and so the race goes on.

Slick
16 Jan 2007, 19:06
Good luck going at stupidly high speed witouth getting arrested, surviving an awesome crash, or running over people.
Hey, I was going for realistic. :p

*Splinter*
16 Jan 2007, 20:06
PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! well said! well said indeed!
and *splinter* the 360 can do everything the PS3 can do plus it's $200 cheaper, has a well-established online system that works rather well, and is soon to be directly playable with a vista computer. the PS3 is a PS2 with awesome graphics and a wii-wannabe controller. granted, it's more powerful thant he PS2, but no more innovative. the 360 and the Wii are both innovative. and so the race goes on.
It cant do as much as the PS3 and it isnt $200 cheaper?
And to *other person* there are more 360s because its been out a year longer (thus price is lower as well)
Well at the CES show, Microsoft has shown it's plans to make the 360 and the new Vista, compatible. Not a huge surprise, but the things they were showing were pretty cool. PS3 can't do that.
No but you CAN put linux on it, and you can link it to your psp allowing you to access all your pics/music/etc any time
What about sell? :p
PS3 only came out recently? I dont remember all this chaos in US for the 360?
EDIT: Sorry for double posts, but alternative is SOO slow

Akuryou13
17 Jan 2007, 15:46
It cant do as much as the PS3 and it isnt $200 cheaper?uh.....yes it can and yes it is? PS3 = $600. 360 = $400. and the technical specs are very well known. the PS3 beats the 360 but not by that much. you could argue that the bluray makes it much more powerful, but no one's going to be using the bluray to full effect and you know that as well as I do. aside from that they offer pretty much the same things. difference being that the PS3's controller has a built-in motion sensor to allow for a few flight sims and little else other than gimmicky crap like they tried with marvel ultimate alliance. unless the controller "expansion" (of sorts) succeeds in allowing for Wii-like gameplay, the PS3 doesnt' offer anything the 360 doesn't.

Liketyspli
17 Jan 2007, 17:04
I think the Blu-ray makes it extremely expensive, a Blu-ray drive for a computer is like 900 Euros. But why the hell blu-ray? Like there are gonna be games of 50 Gb, I think it's completely stupid, Also Blu-ray disks are very expensive. Why didnt they just make some kind of Double-layered DVD drive? Maybe it's faster. but I think its too expensive...
But hey, why do I care, I hate all consoles but the PS1, because you can play Crash Bash on it.

*Splinter*
17 Jan 2007, 17:49
But why the hell blu-ray? Like there are gonna be games of 50 Gb,.
Bluray is 25GB, Resistance uses 22GB and the PS3 is less than half a year old

AndrewTaylor
17 Jan 2007, 18:50
I think the Blu-ray makes it extremely expensive, a Blu-ray drive for a computer is like 900 Euros. But why the hell blu-ray? Like there are gonna be games of 50 Gb, I think it's completely stupid, Also Blu-ray disks are very expensive. Why didnt they just make some kind of Double-layered DVD drive? Maybe it's faster. but I think its too expensive...
It's Blu-Ray because Sony want to push Blu-Ray, so that it beats HD-DVD to become the successor to DVD. But it won't work because nobody seems that bothered about either, and those that are are generally holding off until a winner emerges, because they all know people who bought Betamaxes in the 80s and don't want to look silly.

Liketyspli
17 Jan 2007, 19:28
Bluray is 25GB, Resistance uses 22GB and the PS3 is less than half a year old
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Bluray.png
Or maybe thats dual layered or something.
Oh, wells.
Oh and there was this new technology I once heard of, wich could make things of 50 GB to 8 GB.

Preasure
17 Jan 2007, 19:50
It's Blu-Ray because Sony want to push Blu-Ray, so that it beats HD-DVD to become the successor to DVD. But it won't work because nobody seems that bothered about either, and those that are are generally holding off until a winner emerges, because they all know people who bought Betamaxes in the 80s and don't want to look silly.
And some bright spark's invented a player that does both, making them all look silly, while the people who made the betamax are probably sick to death of the comparison. :p

Metal Alex
17 Jan 2007, 20:30
you can link it to your psp allowing you to access all your pics/music/etc any time
I think that's the most wonderful thing about the connectivity.
"Look! I can pick a file, put it on the PS3!!! And then to the PSP!!! or add it directly from my PC. Choices are wonderful"
:rolleyes:
Or they do something for it, or it will be like the GBA-GC connectivity, and it failed... And I see it failing too.
PS3 only came out recently? I dont remember all this chaos in US for the 360?
Well, the bow, which reads: PLAYSTATION 3 helps for any people who doesn't know those technical things. As an example, some adult (old :p) people, instead of consoles, they say "play" or "playstation"... So anyone of those who would buy a console for their children... guess what will they say on the store... "I want to buy a... Playstation"
And that stuff happens more than you know. Hell! maybe those are all the sales they got :p

AndrewTaylor
17 Jan 2007, 21:58
And some bright spark's invented a player that does both, making them all look silly, while the people who made the betamax are probably sick to death of the comparison. :p
Yes, but that thing's so expensive it doesn't even enter into most people's decisions.

Akuryou13
18 Jan 2007, 02:04
Bluray is 25GB, Resistance uses 22GB and the PS3 is less than half a year oldand yet Gears of War and the like fit on a normal DVD. Resistance may well have been 22GB, but it also didn't need to be. they just probably skipped the data compression stage because they didn't have to do it and needed to make up for time lost figuring out the cryptic nonsense of the OS in the PS3 :p
Well, the bow, which reads: PLAYSTATION 3 helps for any people who doesn't know those technical things. As an example, some adult (old ) people, instead of consoles, they say "play" or "playstation"... So anyone of those who would buy a console for their children... guess what will they say on the store... "I want to buy a... Playstation"
And that stuff happens more than you know. Hell! maybe those are all the sales they gotgod, how stupid do you think parents are? even here in louisiana there aren't people who are ignorant hill-billy enough to make that mistake. it would take some SERIOUS ineptitude for that situation to actually happen. normally, people just ask for "the new nintendo" or something like that because they know Nintendo = Video Games and they're not interested enough to learn the differences so they go the lazy route.

Metal Alex
18 Jan 2007, 02:52
god, how stupid do you think parents are? even here in louisiana there aren't people who are ignorant hill-billy enough to make that mistake. it would take some SERIOUS ineptitude for that situation to actually happen. normally, people just ask for "the new nintendo" or something like that because they know Nintendo = Video Games and they're not interested enough to learn the differences so they go the lazy route.
Actually, here they don't care about it. The kid wants a console? they hear playstation? console then. It's not ignorance, it's just that they don't care.
Ok, with the Wii it's fairly different, but with any other gen...
HECK even a friend of mine saw a GC, and asked what was that O_o

Akuryou13
18 Jan 2007, 03:26
Actually, here they don't care about it. The kid wants a console? they hear playstation? console then. It's not ignorance, it's just that they don't care.
Ok, with the Wii it's fairly different, but with any other gen...
HECK even a friend of mine saw a GC, and asked what was that O_owhat ass-backwards area do you live in? :p besides, you made it sound like people were going into a store and saying they wanted a play station that played video games. that's far more unintelligent than just only knowing about the playstation brand.

AndrewTaylor
18 Jan 2007, 11:04
Actually, here they don't care about it. The kid wants a console? they hear playstation? console then. It's not ignorance, it's just that they don't care.
There are, in my experience, equally many people who simply use the term "Nintendo" to refer to all games, all consoles, and as a verb to describe the act of playing on them.

Iguana
18 Jan 2007, 13:40
what ass-backwards area do you live in?
Fun fact: Most people here have never heard about Nintendo or Microsoft being in the console business and think PS1/2 are the only consoles out there. A store owner claimed that PS2 is more powerful than both GC and Xbox and the original Playstation was the first successful console of all time. Also, when asking for DS games anywhere here, I often get "this is a Sony-sponsored store and we never ship non-Sony games as a result" as a reply.
Yep, not the best place ever.

Akuryou13
18 Jan 2007, 14:50
Fun fact: Most people here have never heard about Nintendo or Microsoft being in the console business and think PS1/2 are the only consoles out there. A store owner claimed that PS2 is more powerful than both GC and Xbox and the original Playstation was the first successful console of all time. Also, when asking for DS games anywhere here, I often get "this is a Sony-sponsored store and we never ship non-Sony games as a result" as a reply.
Yep, not the best place ever.:eek: .......just :eek:

AndrewTaylor
18 Jan 2007, 15:07
Fun fact: Most people here have never heard about Nintendo or Microsoft being in the console business and think PS1/2 are the only consoles out there. A store owner claimed that PS2 is more powerful than both GC and Xbox and the original Playstation was the first successful console of all time. Also, when asking for DS games anywhere here, I often get "this is a Sony-sponsored store and we never ship non-Sony games as a result" as a reply.
Yep, not the best place ever.
"Can I have an Xbox?"
"No. Sony store."
"Okay. Can I have a PS3?"
"No. It's not out yet."
"Okay, what can I have?"
"I can sell you a branded mousemat if you'd like..."

Paul.Power
18 Jan 2007, 16:50
A store owner claimed that PS2 is more powerful than both GC and Xbox and the original Playstation was the first successful console of all time.Sounds like The Party got to him.

MrBunsy
18 Jan 2007, 17:01
Sounds like The Party got to him.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

Preasure
18 Jan 2007, 19:31
In Soviet Russia, consoles play YOU!
Sorry.

MtlAngelus
18 Jan 2007, 20:54
But we all know Squaresoft will come around and save the PS3's ass.;)
And maybe Rockstar.
And the Blue-ray may not seem that much of an asset, but I believe once it starts being used to it's full capacity, it will really show the difference against the Xbox360.

Metal Alex
18 Jan 2007, 21:24
full capacity
And that will be... when somebody make a 50 Gb game? Since it's only for that console, since the other two (XBOX360, and WII) have DVD's, the sales will be WAY lower, compared to the huge developement for those 50 Gb...
I think there are not many people willing to use the full capacity...

MrBunsy
18 Jan 2007, 21:29
Not unless they're hell bent on a PS3 exclusive game.
The blu-ray in the console seems more and more stupid from the gaming perspective the more you think about it.

Iguana
18 Jan 2007, 21:46
But we all know Squaresoft will come around and save the PS3's ass.;)
The lack of Dragon Quest on the PS3 might hurt its Japanese sales a bit. Then again, there's probably more US/EU Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts fanboys out there than Japanese DQ ones.

Squirminator2k
18 Jan 2007, 22:18
I know people who have played both the 360 and the PS3, and have said that PS3 versions of games also available for the 360 are generally inferior graphically. That's a stumble right there, especially seeing as SCE have built their entire empire on "Ooh, look at the shiny polygons!".
From personal experience, the 360 is the better console. Keep in mind that I hated - hated - the original Xbox.
I also have it on good authority that a number of companies supporting Blu-Ray are just one more Sony mistake away from saying, "Man, f*** this" and switching to HD-DVD.

AndrewTaylor
19 Jan 2007, 09:38
But we all know Squaresoft will come around and save the PS3's ass.
Are you sure they won't... jump ship? You know, like rats?

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