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wave
19 Sep 2007, 19:37
(or officially surrender with white flag)
Are you fed up with the message 'this session is no longer available' appearing on the screen three quarters of the way through an online game of worms open warfare 2, then let us join together brethren and enlist here all those you swear to never never quit a game of worms as long as they shall live or a better game comes along at least.
my handle is johnboy
who is with me?

parsley
19 Sep 2007, 19:41
(or officially surrender with white flag)
Good advice there.
Another possibility: form clans where social pressure prevents quitting: you get a reputation for quitting, you lose clan status.

wave
19 Sep 2007, 19:51
Good advice there.
Another possibility: form clans where social pressure prevents quitting: you get a reputation for quitting, you lose clan status.
I don't really understand clans i have just set one up however but not invitred anyone. I thought a clan meant people who are together on a the same team and fend off other clans? Or does a clan here mean a club of people who fight each other?

Afrohorse
19 Sep 2007, 19:52
Yeah, I agree!
What goes around, comes around... If you quit, people will quit on you - simple as that.
Do the honourable thing, show you can take a loss, just surrender if it's too painful to watch.
Do you really want to be known as a quitting wuss? If so, then that's just sad and you have no business hanging around here...

Cyclaws
19 Sep 2007, 19:54
Sure, why not?
If you ever play against me, Cyclaws, I promise I shall not quit.

wave
19 Sep 2007, 19:55
Sure, why not?
If you ever play against me, Cyclaws, I promise I shall not quit.
Alright, !

'Třin3
19 Sep 2007, 20:02
I too !
I never quit.
When I lose, I stay. It's just normal I think.

parsley
19 Sep 2007, 20:28
PSP only:
I don't really understand clans i have just set one up however but not invitred anyone. I thought a clan meant people who are together on a the same team and fend off other clans? Or does a clan here mean a club of people who fight each other?
As a clan member, you can fight everyone: for fun, for your own personal gain, or for your clan's glory (OUTER JOIN SELECT * FROM "Braveheart" WHERE "Attitude" = "Chauvinism").
As a clan member, you have everything an ordinary gamer has plus:
Each clan has it's own specific leaderboard, so you can tell how well you're doing against other members of the same clan.
Each clan has an entry in the 'interclan' leaderboard: this shows in summation, the how clan is doing against other clans.
The basic modes:
ForFun:
Just for fun. You get the fun points (Maggie's Drawers, etc.) and the daily awards.
Intergamer:
ForFun plus: it's you, personally, fighting for your ranking against the other gamers.
IntraClan:
ForFun plus: it's you fighting for your ranking against your fellow clan members.
IntraClan:
ForFun plus: you are your clan representative against other clans' representatives: you win and your clan wins, you lose and your clan loses.
(There are nearly thirty different leaderboards supporting WoW 2 PSP.)

MrBionic
20 Sep 2007, 23:04
Shall never quit out. I can't guarantee never freezing and accidentally dropping out (it has already happened once, but it was right at the beginning before I'd even fully loaded), and it's very rare, but I'll never purposely quit out of a game because I'm losing.
Thankfully, I've had far more matches ending lately because I switched over to playing for points in only 1 match games. I'll play 3 match games for fun, but not for points.

JammyAH
20 Sep 2007, 23:58
Brilliant idea!
I've only had one quitter so far, and that was more or less at the start of our second game, so I didn't mind too much.
But obviously people are getting very annoyed, so I support this idea! My handle is Jammy, DS version.
But also, I can make no assurances on my router set up. If my brother leaves his PC on and starts the Wii, then I'm screwed :D It's unliky to happen towards the end of a game though, if at all!

Paul.Power
21 Sep 2007, 00:03
Why the heck has no-one made a Wormsong reference in this thread yet?

JammyAH
21 Sep 2007, 00:21
"We are worms, we're the best
And we're going to win the war.
We'll stand and never run,
Stay until its done.
Though our friends may fall and our world be blown apart,
We'll fight with all our might.
Fight for what is right,
'Til the end"
DISCLAIMER: I haven't heard that song in over 2 years, so theres a fantastic chance that is completely wrong!

Squirminator2k
21 Sep 2007, 00:34
The other day I was playing WOW2 on the PSp, and I had to end the game prematurely. I chose to Surrender. I would encourage all others to do the same.

Mr. Right
21 Sep 2007, 01:11
Before I make my commitment I just have to ask one thing.....
If I have to go for some reason could I just surrender or leave a message in the chat box "sorry I have to go now"?

Wormetti
21 Sep 2007, 06:34
Does choosing quit have a different effect on score than choosing surrender?
I play to the end. You shouldn't play for points, if you are unsure if you will have time to play (unexpected RL events can happen though). Best to check the hosts scheme before you join or host your own, to make sure the rounds and other settings are to your liking.

quakerworm
21 Sep 2007, 08:30
Does choosing quit have a different effect on score than choosing surrender?
if there is more than one other player, i don't think so. you would disconnect after surrendering either way. (if you don't plan on disconnecting, you might as well keep playing) if the remaining players cannot re-establish connection without you, the game will end for them with you surrendering or quitting.
in 1-on-1, however, it makes all the difference. always surrender if there is only one other player remaining in the game.

JammyAH
21 Sep 2007, 11:15
In short: Surrendering is fine, Mr. Right. I've only had a to leave a match once, and I surrendered.

wave
21 Sep 2007, 14:29
Does choosing quit have a different effect on score than choosing surrender?
I play to the end. You shouldn't play for points, if you are unsure if you will have time to play (unexpected RL events can happen though). Best to check the hosts scheme before you join or host your own, to make sure the rounds and other settings are to your liking.
Woo there.
Yes surrendering has a completlely different effect to quitting. Surrendering when it is your turn is ACCEPTABLE. If you just quit the game with the quit option in the menu it ends the game for everyone playing and makes everyone playing lose points, so you can see why people are getting annoyed with quitters.
Presumably if you surrender a game the surrendee is allowed to quit the game safely without ending the game (or deducting points) from other players? Could a team17 member clarify this?

Mr. Right
21 Sep 2007, 16:14
I'm not really planning on quitting on anyone. I've never done it be4 and I don't plan on starting now. the only time I would do this is if something came up and I had to leave.
My handle: (Nuclear)

Dunkar
21 Sep 2007, 16:31
I think this is a great idea! I'm in on this as well and playin right now!

quakerworm
21 Sep 2007, 16:34
Yes surrendering has a completlely different effect to quitting. Surrendering when it is your turn is ACCEPTABLE. If you just quit the game with the quit option in the menu it ends the game for everyone playing and makes everyone playing lose points, so you can see why people are getting annoyed with quitters.
the game does not simply auto-quit if someone quits. that is only a certainty if you are 1-on-1. with more than two people, the game attempts to re-establish connection among the remaining players. that is not always possible, however, so quitting in this situation may end the game for everyone.
Presumably if you surrender a game the surrendee is allowed to quit the game safely without ending the game (or deducting points) from other players? Could a team17 member clarify this?
when you surrender, and there are still at least two players left, the game continues for the other players. but again, they need to re-establish connection between remaining players, and again, it isn't always possible. so if there is more than one opponent left, it shouldn't make a difference if you quit or surrender.

asylumjim
21 Sep 2007, 20:06
Asylumjim would be me(PSP), you can add me to the list. I never start a game without the intent to finish it.

Eyedunno
22 Sep 2007, 08:34
I promise never to quit, with a few caveats. If my house is burning, I'm probably gonna quit. If there's an major earthquake (I'm in Japan), I will probably quit. You get the idea on that stuff. Also, my Internet connection randomly dies about once every few days. It hasn't cut out on me during a game of Worms yet, but I consider it just a matter of time. So, assuming all that stuff is acceptable...
*signs*
Perhaps a succinct way of rephrasing everything above is simply: "I promise that I will never ever quit just because I'm losing, as doing so is absolutely shameful and ruins the game for everyone."

wave
22 Sep 2007, 14:14
I promise never to quit, with a few caveats. If my house is burning, I'm probably gonna quit. If there's an major earthquake (I'm in Japan), I will probably quit. You get the idea on that stuff. Also, my Internet connection randomly dies about once every few days. It hasn't cut out on me during a game of Worms yet, but I consider it just a matter of time. So, assuming all that stuff is acceptable...
*signs*
Perhaps a succinct way of rephrasing everything above is simply: "I promise that I will never ever quit just because I'm losing, as doing so is absolutely shameful and ruins the game for everyone."
well if you house is on fire then ok, but i think it is possible to continue worms through an earthshake, depending on the magnitude of the shake and how robustly built your home is of course, earthquakes don't usually last very long do they?

quakerworm
22 Sep 2007, 22:26
earthquakes don't usually last very long do they?
there is a danger of an aftershock, which can sometimes be more severe than initial imipact, or simply prove the last straw to the damaged structure. so if the impact was signifficant, it is a good idea to evacuate even once it stoped and wait outside for a while. of course, considering the fact that most people can be outside and still be within range of their wifi, there is little reason to quit. evacuate and keep playing outside.

Joel_the_J
25 Sep 2007, 05:19
Asylumjim would be me(PSP), you can add me to the list. I never start a game without the intent to finish it.
Dang asylumjim, you have one of THE coolest flags in the game. And yes this guy never quits.

wave
25 Sep 2007, 09:58
the game does not simply auto-quit if someone quits. that is only a certainty if you are 1-on-1. with more than two people, the game attempts to re-establish connection among the remaining players. that is not always possible, however, so quitting in this situation may end the game for everyone.
when you surrender, and there are still at least two players left, the game continues for the other players. but again, they need to re-establish connection between remaining players, and again, it isn't always possible. so if there is more than one opponent left, it shouldn't make a difference if you quit or surrender.
i'm not sure if thats right, i would have thought surrendering with the surrender option in the weapon menu list meant absolutely no loss of connection and that just simply quitting meant always a loss of connection, but actually i haven't a clue how online newtorking works i wish a t17 person would clarify this for everyone.
Yo! asylumjim i played you last night, twas a good game, i won right? , did you like my NEw york city map or did you find it offensive what with you being american and all.

asylumjim
26 Sep 2007, 22:43
Yo! asylumjim i played you last night, twas a good game, i won right? , did you like my NEw york city map or did you find it offensive what with you being american and all.
It was a fun game and i did like the map, made me think about making a shopper map and scheme, all you need is a ceiling on your map;)
...and as far as who won, I know it was close but I think you did win it.
Thanks for the game.

wave
27 Sep 2007, 01:05
It was a fun game and i did like the map, made me think about making a shopper map and scheme, all you need is a ceiling on your map;)
...and as far as who won, I know it was close but I think you did win it.
Thanks for the game.
thanks, any time.

GhostToast
27 Sep 2007, 01:34
i vow to never quit a game the wrong way. makes me sick when people do that. but at least it seems to count towards my rank when other people do it!
if there is really going to be some clan play formed into this game (through metagaming of course), i'd like to know about it. might thought about a worms clan in ages.

quakerworm
27 Sep 2007, 02:09
i'm not sure if thats right, i would have thought surrendering with the surrender option in the weapon menu list meant absolutely no loss of connection and that just simply quitting meant always a loss of connection, but actually i haven't a clue how online newtorking works i wish a t17 person would clarify this for everyone.
well, when you surrender, you usually leave the match, don't you? i suppose, if you stay to watch the rest of the match, nothing will happen. but if you leave, the remaining players need to remain connected without you. depending on nat, that might or might not be possible. so in these cases, you might cause everyone to disconnect even when you surrender. there really is no way to avoid it, and t17 couldn't have done it any different.
same thing when quitting. if there are still more than one players remaining, they'll try to re-establish connection without you and finish the match, but it isn't always possible.
when playing one on one, the difference is critical. if you surrender, the scores get submitted before disconnect. if you simply quit, there will be a disconnect, and both players will get a loss/draw (i'm not sure which) counted.

analD
27 Sep 2007, 05:31
count me in.
-GO! ultra fun squad

Cagnazzo
28 Sep 2007, 09:39
I've only tried this game online recently and BOTH times I got the disconnected message, it's a pain truth be told.
My WormNet name, or whatever it's called, is Pollox and I vouch never to disconnect if I'm losing! (Unless my internet connection buggers up of course)

ZeroNaki
29 Sep 2007, 00:24
Fellow Worms Players,
My name is Zero.
After having my initial thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34411) closed, I've decided to copy/paste my original message here in the hope of finding some regular competition. My apologies to Luther for not having searched for a similar topic beforehand.
I am one of those rare gamers who plays Open Warfare 2 (PSP version) for friendly online competition. Whether I'm lying around at home or sipping on a white mocha latte at Starbucks, my free time usually consists of throwing sheep and dodging sentry guns. My objective is to make friends, climb the leaderboards and create a name for myself as a respectable opponent.
Unfortunately, like many people in this forum, I have come to realize that WormNet is plagued with quitters and random disconnections. This results in my connection percentage dropping, and defeats the purpose of playing.
So, I have come up with a simple solution to this problem. =)
If you are seriously interested in playing Worms: Open Warfare 2 on a friendly and competitive level, please feel free to add me to your in-game buddy list. As of today, my buddy list is officially reserved for people who wish to increase their online rank by completing matches without disconnecting.
As for me: I can guarantee that I will never willingly disconnect from a match in progress, even if it lasts numerous rounds and several hours.
My WormNet name is ZeroNaki
When you see me online, feel free to invite me to a match. If I am hosting my own game, I will randomly select people from my buddy list (regardless of supposed skill or completion percentage) to join for some active competition.
I hope to see some of you in WormNet.
-- Zero

wave
30 Sep 2007, 10:28
zeronaki that game you played me the other day was far too long and was just asking for people to quit, its okay but just remember that not everyone has time to play a three round of forts which last something like over 15 minutes each. The weapon selection was a little measley too. thats why i surrendered, not something i often do. A warning of the games length would be an idea and appreciated next time.

wreithy
30 Sep 2007, 10:46
can you change the amounts of matches from 3 wins to just one?
would help me alot, as i have lots of quitters on the 2nd or 3rd rounds

wave
30 Sep 2007, 13:55
can you change the amounts of matches from 3 wins to just one?
would help me alot, as i have lots of quitters on the 2nd or 3rd rounds
YES, everyone single match i host is simply one round, you can change it in the menu, it says - number of rounds, change it to 1.

ZeroNaki
30 Sep 2007, 23:34
zeronaki that game you played me the other day was far too long and was just asking for people to quit, its okay but just remember that not everyone has time to play a three round of forts which last something like over 15 minutes each. The weapon selection was a little measley too. thats why i surrendered, not something i often do. A warning of the games length would be an idea and appreciated next time.
First of all, allow me to say thank you for the match. You did quite well.
Please be aware, however, that not everyone wants to play just one round. All of the default schemes that shipped with the game (which is what I was hosting) last at least three rounds.
You might be looking for a one-round match, but not everyone is. =)
I do not wish to sound rude by any means at all, but I don't think I need to offer a warning of the game's length before hosting a match. I feel that it is the job of everyone who joins any match to look at the match settings before deciding that they wish to play. Both WA and WWP were over-ridden with people who would join a match and then complain about it's settings after starting.
Either way, I do respect that you surrendered instead of quitting.
I hope to play against you again, perhaps when you have more time?
Or, if you'd ever like to host a match to your taste, I will gladly join. =)
PS: In a Play-for-Points Forts match, you cannot alter the weapon settings.
-- Zero

CurtisB
1 Oct 2007, 03:05
My WormNet name is Curtis and I promise to never quit a game, even if I'm losing. I will happily accept buddy invites from anyone who is willing to stick it through to the end.

wave
1 Oct 2007, 09:51
zeronaki i was unaware of the fact we were playing for points,call me ignorant if u like, also i was oblivious as to how you can check the no. of rounds to play b4 a match commences , i shall check it out next time. Oh and yes thanks for the game, if i have a lazy sunday afternoon soon i'd be more than happy to do a 3 rounder of forts.

Alexiels
1 Oct 2007, 23:28
wth!!!! im that NEVER QUITTING SOLDIER dam i hate that suckers that quit and make me lost my %, perfect count with me my nick is IRVINESPAIN
Please add me to ur buddy list:)

v4tay
2 Oct 2007, 17:45
i hate quitters... i will never quit a game!!
the only game i have ever left was against jamie123.... and that was because he set the game up so that i had 1 worm and he had 3.... plus it was sudden death mode from the start!! i dont mind losing but im not getting ripped off like that.
my worm name is taylor1

MrAlBobo
3 Oct 2007, 02:56
also...just saying...if its a 1vs1 and you decide to quit/ surrender, its far more fun to kill yourself in strange ways
earlier today i wiped out 3 of my opponents worms with one shot, then on his turn he just sat there for a moment, then turned around and slowly walked (squeaked?) his way into the water, needless to say i was laughing my ass off
so...if you get bored, then entertain yourself like that :D

Wormetti
3 Oct 2007, 03:46
I played a few rounds of 2vs2 forts against ZeroNaki. Someone on his team got a donkey and wiped me out. One of the players on my team got disconnected/disappeared, so I was out numbered in the 2nd round. I thought I was doing pretty well but then a random event earthquake drowned my strongest worm. I was left with a 17 health worm, I had a jetpack and banana bomb, I was going to collect all the health crates and try an invasion but when I backflipped I bounced off the land and slipped into the sea. I received a "Game session is no longer available on the 3rd round". Why is there even a 3rd round when one player has already won the first two? They should have made it a best of system like on the DS and most other worms games.

ZeroNaki
3 Oct 2007, 07:15
I played a few rounds of 2vs2 forts against ZeroNaki. Someone on his team got a donkey and wiped me out. One of the players on my team got disconnected/disappeared, so I was out numbered in the 2nd round. I thought I was doing pretty well but then a random event earthquake drowned my strongest worm. I was left with a 17 health worm, I had a jetpack and banana bomb, I was going to collect all the health crates and try an invasion but when I backflipped I bounced off the land and slipped into the sea. I received a "Game session is no longer available on the 3rd round". Why is there even a 3rd round when one player has already won the first two? They should have made it a best of system like on the DS and most other worms games.
Hey, Wormetti.
We really had a good match going.
For the record, I didn't willingly disconnect. It was my teammate's turn, and the game lagged on the 'Waiting for other players' message. I literally waited a half hour (no exaggeration) before I finally decided to consider it bugged and quit out of the match. My guess is that he dropped from the game and we weren't able to synchronize a stable connection afterward.
I really hate quitting a match, but I honestly felt I had no choice.
Perhaps next time we bump into each other in WormNet, we can give it another shot. With any luck, the random roll of my gaming dice will see you and I on the same team, tearing through some unsuspecting opponents, eh?
-- Zero
PS: You're welcome for the Donkey. ;)

wave
3 Oct 2007, 23:32
What an absolutely awful night for quitters, people quitting left right and centre, its really pathetic when people quit after doing a rubbish shot and then u kill one of their worms they can't handle it! I wonder if we could/ should create a 'name and shame quitters' thread? Would this be ok?

Wormetti
3 Oct 2007, 23:41
I'm not a great fan of forts games or getting killed by a donkey :). That was my first 4 player fort made on PSP and also my first alliance game. I do like to play them sometimes, so I'll be up for another game.
Just add serial quitters to your block list if they do it too often. If it happens once or twice when you are winning or about to finish them, it could just be a coincidence. Networks aren't 100% reliable, especially not when wi-fi is involved.

cowboyz
27 Oct 2007, 22:08
eyedunno already broke his pledge...
he disconnected on me TWICE when i beat him in racing at the very last second.
this thread is worthless.

wave
28 Oct 2007, 08:33
eyedunno already broke his pledge...
he disconnected on me TWICE when i beat him in racing at the very last second.
this thread is worthless.
then perhaps IT IS time for a 'name and shame' thread!

Plasma
28 Oct 2007, 13:07
then perhaps IT IS time for a 'name and shame' thread!
No. Too many people disconnect all the time.

cowboyz
28 Oct 2007, 21:46
lol i love that idea, wave

MtlAngelus
29 Oct 2007, 03:59
eyedunno already broke his pledge...
he disconnected on me TWICE when i beat him in racing at the very last second.
this thread is worthless.
Then again, it is you. I would disconnect on you just for kicks.

wave
29 Oct 2007, 14:00
Then again, it is you. I would disconnect on you just for kicks.
perverse pettiness:rolleyes:

LimeMini
30 Oct 2007, 18:15
I've never quitted a game yet, unless surrendering first, but...
I will not quit.

JohnyQuest
12 Nov 2007, 21:09
i think it is sad that we have to have a topic like this.
i am JohnnyQuest, and i never quit!
and when i have to go, i surrender. piece of cake.
i had 7 disconnects yesterday, and 3 today. i mean, ppl. this has to come to an end!

JohnyQuest
12 Nov 2007, 21:14
Hey, Wormetti.
We really had a good match going.
hey zeronaki! i know you from my previous account mrdalji, wich i abandoned due to very low percent status due to thousand disconnects from other parties. my new account is JohnnyQuest, and i would like to play against you! :D

JohnyQuest
12 Nov 2007, 21:20
when playing one on one, the difference is critical. if you surrender, the scores get submitted before disconnect. if you simply quit, there will be a disconnect, and both players will get a loss/draw (i'm not sure which) counted.
i know. when a player disconnects, it counts as you both lost the game, and you also loose your points and connection percentage. it's a plague. it sux

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