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iamgood
4 Jan 2006, 20:34
I just tried and connected to wormnet. Theré was quite a few things I couldnīt understand, but I joined to a server that was playing... Well I donīt remember the game type name but nevermind... I told them I was a n00b and asked for the rules. Some guy helped me alot with it, and I learned pretty quick how to play. Second time(as I remember) wasnīt as lucky: The guy who hosted hosted a W2W game, and I stilll didnīt exactly know the rules. The map had a wall in the middle. The helpful guy said something like "go to both sides of the wall" I could remember from last time, I mustīve been misunderstanding though; I did exactly that and attacked, then I got flamed. The guy who flamed at me was very unpolite, wrote "you cow OMG You COWED" or something, and "You fat little gay n00b" or something, and I said "Sorry, Iīm a n00b, I thought I knew the rules ;(". He just didnīt belive me and said "yea iīve heard that one before" and stuff like that. Then I said he should belive me cause I wasnīt lying. Then I wrote H8U and left. Oh man I wonīt bother wroting much more becuz thereīs so much to say about it so I say: to be continued
The topic is: For poor noobs like me, can you write some tips about to avoid flaming sprees, get to understand the menu system, Not getting hated etc. then it would be much helpful:D .

TriMat
4 Jan 2006, 20:56
until you're good at roping - AVOID
w2w (wall to wall), fly shopper, rr (rope race), proper
***^ all of the above are roping games ^***
regular shopper is alright to learn roping, just make sure you know the rules
Piles - You can pile and attack worms in a pile (even last place)
ABL - All But Last (sometimes ATL - Attack The Leader)
AFR - Attack From Rope (or attack from parachute, which is more difficult)
CBA - Crate Before Attack
KTC - Kill the Cheater (cheaters are called cows for who knows why)
a nice game with no rules and no roping, but strategy is t17 (team 17)
key to that is get weapons early and use the parachute well with the wind
... and watch out for sudden death

WeXzuZ
4 Jan 2006, 21:00
Heres a link to the most played schemes
Click here (http://www.laene.nl/fb/index.php?p=schemes)
Roper is not good to join the first few times you rope, Rope Race neither, BnG is short for Bazooka and Grenade, aiming skills is good to improve here, shopper, a nice start with roping.

iamgood
4 Jan 2006, 21:00
until you're good at roping - AVOID
w2w (wall to wall), fly shopper, rr (rope race), proper
regular shopper is alright for learning, just make sure you know the rules
Piles - You can pile and attack worms in a pile (even last place)
ABL - All But Last (sometimes ATL - Attack The Leader)
AFR - Attack From Rope (or attack from parachute, which is more difficult)
CBA - Crate Before Attack
KTC - Kill the Cheater (cheaters are called cows for who knows why)
***^ all of the above are roping games ^***
a nice game with no rules and no roping, but strategy is t17 (team 17)
key to that is get weapons early and use the parachute well with the wind
... and watch out for sudden death
Thank you for the tips TriMat :) Iīm already cursed to damnation tho, The games I where playing were all roping style games and Iīm not enough skilled (depended on the moves I did though) :(
Heres a link to the most played schemes
Click here (http://www.laene.nl/fb/index.php?p=schemes)
Roper is not good to join the first few times you rope, Rope Race neither, BnG is short for Bazooka and Grenade, aiming skills is good to improve here, shopper, a nice start with roping.
Thanks for the link, it will help out on many needtoimprove points:)
I will avoid online roping for a while and train offline instead:p
BnG, so that meant Zook and Grenade? I never played it before, so I thought it meant Brightsider and Greysider:D :-D :-D
Thx for the edit thomasp : )

Alien King
4 Jan 2006, 21:14
BnG is a good game where the rope isn't used.
Your worms are anchored (meaning they can't move)
you can only use the grenade or bazooka (and the other utilities)
atl = attack the leader
no sitter/sleeper nades = grenades are not allowed to stop moving
no direct zook shots = you cannot just point the crosshair at your target and use full power, your bazooka shots need some sort of curve
no 5 sec nades without low grav = grenades cannot be used with a 5 second timer unless you use low gravity
just found this: http://www.cl2k.org/ - quick over-view of some rules

TonY
4 Jan 2006, 23:52
until you're good at roping - AVOID
w2w (wall to wall), fly shopper, rr (rope race), proper
Translation: Avoid roping until you get good at it?

TriMat
5 Jan 2006, 01:13
Translation: Avoid roping until you get good at it?
you don't get much out of a game you can't play
I don't mind having noobs in my game as long as they follow the rules - but what's the point in trying a w2w with a 30 sec. time limit when you can't do it in 60?
learn on something easier, like a regular shopper

bonz
5 Jan 2006, 02:40
Translation: Avoid roping until you get good at it?
yeah! and don't drive cars before you can drive cars. :)

Djoszee
6 Jan 2006, 20:51
there is a wikepedia article about worms rules...google for it, im too lazy now

trinifella
31 Mar 2007, 04:41
helpful thread

Muzer
31 Mar 2007, 07:37
Just to clear a few points up:
ATL is usually called KTL (kill the leader)
Cows are called that because there once was a clan who joined loads of games but never followed the rules. The clan was called the "chilled out wormers" and so their clantag was... COW.

SilPho
31 Mar 2007, 09:49
That's an interesting little fact, I always figured it was short for coward.

franpa
31 Mar 2007, 10:19
Piles - You can pile and attack worms in a pile (even last place)
ABL - All But Last (you can attack last so long as they are piled with someone who is not last, your own worms do not count)
AFR - Attack From Rope (or attack from parachute, which is more difficult)
CBA - Crate Before Attack
KTC - Kill the Cheater (cheaters are called cows for who knows why)
KTL - Kill the leader (same as ATL) [can attack other teams so long as they are piled with the leader, your own worms do not count]
ATL - Attack the leader (same as KTL) [can attack other teams so long as they are piled with the leader, your own worms do not count]
WBA - Wall before attack (touch all designated walls prior to attacking.)
wxw - wall to wall roping - WBA, AFR, CBA, and KTL or ABL
shoppa - roping with no rules except AFR, CBA and KTL or ABL
BnG - worms are grounded and only very limited range of weapons are available (more info here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=471935#post471935)) [keep in mind that 5 second nades can also be fired so long as max bounce is used.]
Rope Race (RR) - a race through a maze using ropes and generally 30's turn time
Time Trial Rope Race (TTRR) - same as above but with infinite turn time (goal is to be the fastest to reach the finish in a single turn)
Super Sheep Race - same as above but instead you navigate Super Sheep through the maze
Team17 - same as a normal game but with 1 rope and most weapons are collected via crates, you have infinite teleport, parachute and some other things
Elite - a harder variation of Team17 where you start with a set of weapons and win using said set of weapons, no/hardly any crate drops

KRD
31 Mar 2007, 12:19
BnG - worms are grounded and only very limited range of weapons are available (more info here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=471935#post471935)) [keep in mind that 5 second nades can also be fired so long as max bounce is used.]
No, no, no. 5 second grenades are perfectly okay without max bounce and low gravity. The only thing grenades aren't allowed to do if you're going by contemporary BnG rules is stop moving before they explode.
Elite - a harder variation of Team17 where you start with a set of weapons and win using said set of weapons, no/hardly any crate drops
Elite isn't a more challenging variation of T17. It's one of the three default schemes that the WA rankings were based on. The "easiest" one is called Intermediate [and not "normal"], the middle one Pro and Elite comes after that. Great scheme once you get the hang of everything.

franpa
31 Mar 2007, 12:20
No, no, no. 5 second grenades are perfectly okay without max bounce and low gravity. The only thing grenades aren't allowed to do if you're going by contemporary BnG rules is stop moving before they explode.
o_O? everyone plays 5 sec nades with low grav and/or max bounce (except you of course)
normal/default whatever i.

KRD
31 Mar 2007, 12:23
Yes, but I'm a league admin so I count and everyone else doesn't. :p

Alien King
31 Mar 2007, 14:16
When I host a BnG, I normally say that 5 secs can only be used with Low Grav or when it is clearly impossible to reach with 4 secs (something I've only seen once). Rules relating to the bounce settings is a new one to me.

Melon
31 Mar 2007, 16:12
I've got an idea, why don't people slap this information onto the Worms Knowledge Base (http://wiki.thecybershadow.net/Schemes).
There's loads of schemes that need writing about, and I can't do it because I don't actually know much about them. If everbody helps put in the info, then we can just link people to there.

Lex
1 Apr 2007, 05:08
Good advertising, Melon.
For anyone wanting to add info there, take a look at the rope race (http://wiki.thecybershadow.net/Rope_race) article to see how the scheme articles should be set up to be easiest to interpret.

Y2JID
1 Apr 2007, 21:33
Just to clear a few points up:
ATL is usually called KTL (kill the leader)
Cows are called that because there once was a clan who joined loads of games but never followed the rules. The clan was called the "chilled out wormers" and so their clantag was... COW.
God i miss cow

DeeKay
5 Apr 2007, 15:21
until you're good at roping - AVOID
w2w (wall to wall), fly shopper, rr (rope race), proper
Wut?! RR is way funner, and a lot better for developing your roping. All the WA VIPs play RR too!
I did exactly that and attacked, then I got flamed. The guy who flamed at me was very unpolite, wrote "you cow OMG You COWED" or something, and "You fat little gay n00b" or something, and I said "Sorry, Iīm a n00b, I thought I knew the rules ;(". He just didnīt belive me and said "yea iīve heard that one before" and stuff like that. Then I said he should belive me cause I wasnīt lying. Then I wrote H8U and left. Oh man I wonīt bother wroting much more becuz thereīs so much to say about it so I say: to be continued
Mind checking you Games (\Worms Armageddon\User\Games) folder and telling us who it is?

shaunbowen
6 Apr 2007, 19:24
I tried Wormnet once and there was a very helpful guy whos name I forget, he explained rules and so on as we played. However I was hoping to play a REGULAR game of worms and the only types offered were all these weird "touch the red walls first" and "use your rope for 3 hours & collect 18 crates before attacking" types!
Needless to say I was utterly hopeless and ended up having to eat dinner half way through. Being too crap to have read the instructions, I didn't then know how to open the 'chat' thingy so I ended up just quitting. My sincere apologies to mr helpful (whoever you were), as noone else offered to play me!
Doesn't anyone just play an ordinary game of worms without all the special rules anymore?

bonz
6 Apr 2007, 20:27
Doesn't anyone just play an ordinary game of worms without all the special rules anymore?
Of course.
If you want oldschool Worms games look out for these game types:
B'n'G (the most oldschool you can get)
Team17
Dabble & Fidget
Hysteria (allthough I don't like that name, but my suggestion "Quick'N'Gruesome" got outvoted :p)
Walk For Weapons (very oldschool gameplay, but has an extra rule with a twist)

SilPho
6 Apr 2007, 20:29
I love old school worm matches, if I'm online I more often than not will just host a "normal" game, for which I just use the intermediate scheme.
Incidentally, what is a "Dabble and Fidget"?

Run
6 Apr 2007, 20:37
Dabble is probably the closest on that list to a "normal" scheme
http://www.nanacide.com/wahelp/scheme-dabble.php

SilPho
6 Apr 2007, 22:47
I'll stick to the intermeidate scheme I reckon, each to their own.

GrimOswald
7 Apr 2007, 03:03
Are you sure BnG is such a good example bonz? While I do like it, I found it to be very confusing and have a lot of strange rules, at least the first few times I played it. "Re-aim? Sitter? No direct shots? Ug?" It seems to me that's exactly the sort of thing shaun is against.
Me, I just host whatever people want. I very rarely choose the gametype myself. Though when I do, I tend to lean towards Normal or Team17.
And that guy could have been me shaun, as I try to be friendly and helpful towards newbies. :)

shaunbowen
7 Apr 2007, 13:45
nd that guy could have been me shaun, as I try to be friendly and helpful towards newbies.
Well if it was I apologise for letting you set everything up, then just leaving without notice. I felt very guilty afterwards.
I might give these 'dabble' schemes a try then. Thanks.

thetopcybo
7 Apr 2007, 20:18
Yes, but I'm a league admin so I count and everyone else doesn't. :p
now that's a really bad thinking on our part...you are such a respected and talented person(though you once said in a game that you are the last person to know what you are thinking!!!).
You should consider everyone's opinions and then decide!!!
-Just an advice from your indian friend who finally managed to get his flag to change to india after migrating to WinXP from 2000 and then changing the regional settings to India

KRD
7 Apr 2007, 23:20
Harhar. Good to hear about the OS switch & consecutive sorting of the flag mess, descendant of the great मोहनदास करमचंद गांधी.
But really, 5 second grenades have been fine in all the WA leagues of the past few years. The ones I know of, at least.

yakuza
8 Apr 2007, 18:49
Learn to rope in the Rope Tech forum in this fantastic website!
http://www.ssx-clan.net
Peview:
How to shadow, video by CueShark (with recorded keystrokes! awesome)
www.ssx-clan.net/tech/rope/RopeTech_TheShadow.wmv
Also, my personal tip is, when you fail, don't come cry in a forum, instead, try and surpass the adversities you face by yourself, and you will end up being an original an unique player and not someone who can only rope to win and bank nades whilst darksiding in an elite.

[UFP]Ghost
8 Apr 2007, 19:33
yah guys cueshark is very good i didn't know he started making the videos thanks for the heads up.

Akaken
9 Apr 2007, 20:14
So what you're saying is, there's certain rules you must follow? I don't believe it. I just like games with all the special weapons. Except for the Full Wormage ones and blowin' each other to bits. Anything like that?

Melon
9 Apr 2007, 20:42
A lot of schemes that people have invented since Worms began have involved special 'rules' that players agree to before hand, things that can't be forced by the game itself. This is just to allow making more unique game types, or to make things more challenging for certain players, such as the rules for BnG's.
Of course, the downside to all this is that it's very daunting for new people, and a lot of people won't play with new people because they think they'll "ruin" the game for them. I've been playing Worms for a long time now (a few years), and I've still never played a walk for weapons, capture the flag, allies vs. axis, etc. because nobody out there is willing to teach me, and I just don't know what the rules are. I understand the Team 17 scheme perfectly, but again I've never played anybody at it.
There are still game types out there that don't have any special rules, but they're pretty much limited to Team 17, Intermediate, Elite and Mole Shoppa, as far as I know, and they aren't the sort of games you'll find very often by sitting around in the Anything Goes area.
Good though Wormnet is, it kind of sucks like that sometimes.... Some people out there just take it far too seriously.

yakuza
9 Apr 2007, 21:12
Well Melon, do you really need someone to teach you how to wfw? Why not just read the rules, it's self explanatory. Same with capture the flag.

Melon
9 Apr 2007, 21:44
Well, I don't really need somebody to TEACH me no, maybe the wrong wording, but whenever I've joined people always say "have you played this before?". I say no, and get kicked from the game. I personally know the rules to the game types, I've managed to find them out, but it isn't always easy.
I'm not saying extra rules are a bad thing, but so many people out there expect everyone to have reached a certain standard before they play these game types online, and when most new people CAN'T practice these game types without playing a game online, largely because they don't know what it is, it's not very good for newcomers. I understand people who have played a long time wanting to play more challenging games against more experienced people, but I don't think many people on WormNet give newcomers a nice welcome.
You say to read the rules before hand first. Have you tried googling the rules to some of these game types? Good luck finding them. Do a google search for "walk for weapons worms rules" and you get "A board game like scheme with wormy attributes" :p Like that helps. Maybe a poor example, but you know what I mean. Few people out there will want to tell you the rules and will just ignore you/kick you instead.
If people don't want newbs like me playing in some of their games, all they need to do is put it in their game title. It doesn't take much....
Maybe when I move to a house next year and have a connection that can host, I'll host some WormNet games dedicated for new people to learn help them learn rules and so on.

Akaken
9 Apr 2007, 22:11
Ahhh... I've played a few games. Look for me if you'd like. I'm always up for a match. Thanks for the help!

yakuza
9 Apr 2007, 22:16
I understand your point Melon.
However I believe people make a big fuss about it when in reality it's something that happens everywhere, everytime.
Thing is, if there's a noob in my game I'll boot him. I'm playing this game to have fun myself, and if I'm having a game with friends which all know how to swing da ninja rope yo I'm not going to have a newbie ruin our fun.
Sure, I could teach him, but I don't enjoy teaching people I don't know how to play a game, specially when he can learn his way through alone, like most of us have.

Melon
9 Apr 2007, 23:00
I understand your point too. I can't ask people to always sit and explain rules to people all the time, especially not when it's a relatively common scheme, but I personally think it would be easier for new people if the games that people don't want them to play in are password protected or have it say so in the game name or something like that, because it's quite confusing when people keep booting you from a game.
But yeah, whatever. I can't change anything, and on the whole WormNet is great, largely because Worms is so diverse. Just a liitle gripe I wanted to get out my ystem that's all. ;) Feel free to ignore me.

franpa
10 Apr 2007, 00:19
most people name there games after these er "strange" games.
not many people password them because they dont want to think/give out passwords to "possible" players.

robowurmz
10 Apr 2007, 08:36
So what you're saying is, there's certain rules you must follow? I don't believe it. I just like games with all the special weapons. Except for the Full Wormage ones and blowin' each other to bits. Anything like that?
Well, that's kind of boring after a while...
Making up extra rules is fun!
I think I'll make one called Suicidal.
You have to deal damage to yourself all the while annhialating the other worms. So, you have to hurt yourself as well as hurting them, and not lose any of your worms to yourself!
Tricky, eh?

Run
10 Apr 2007, 09:06
I understand the Team 17 scheme perfectly, but again I've never played anybody at it.
Disgraceful http://www.nanacide.com/images/Emoticons/colbert.gif
Do you hang around in the #worms channel? I play T17 all the time so next time one crops up, if you're there I can drag you to #ag ;)

KRD
10 Apr 2007, 13:07
Yeah, there are simpler ways than Googling for scheme rules if you're a newbie looking for a list of schemes played online and an explanation of each.
1. Make a thread about it on a forum with a community that actively plays online attached to it. Team17, First Blood, The People's League and the SSX forums are all rather newbie-friendly.
2. Join the IRC channel Run mentioned and aaaaask. We're friendly people most of the time. See the location line under my nickname for a little more detail.
3. Find yourself a thread that lists websites related to what you're after and click away. The WA Nexus in, again, Run's signature is a good start. We're also running a similar thread on the FB forums; Lex linked to it in the "Good Links Pages for WA" thread in this very sub forum.
4. Instead of joining games on WormNet, ask the people in the lobby for an explanation of the funnily-named scheme hosted. Of course you won't always get a good answer, but I most definitely do my best if I'm around myself.
Edit: Argh, Run stole post #42. Not allowed.

franpa
11 Apr 2007, 02:53
1. Make a search on a forum with a community that actively plays online attached to it. eg: Team17, First Blood, The People's League and the SSX forums.
fixed :)

karseet
11 Apr 2007, 04:04
indeed, they're all evil ravages that evour newbies' souls

kstr
11 Apr 2007, 18:09
I can't understand one thing - why there is no channel on Wormnet for noobies as myself? In such a channel all novice players could practice online gaming without a fear of humiliation :)

SilPho
11 Apr 2007, 18:44
I assume that when the ranking system is reintroduced (timeframe: unknown) there will be an overhaul of WormNet, hopefully consolidating the existing channels and adding one for newer players.
We have no idea when, but we hope soon.

bonz
11 Apr 2007, 23:18
I assume that when the ranking system is reintroduced (timeframe: unknown) there will be an overhaul of WormNet, hopefully consolidating the existing channels and adding one for newer players.
That's highly likely.
A Team17 channel will damn sure be back.

SilPho
11 Apr 2007, 23:31
Just need the timeframe to be decided now :)

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