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GhostToast
10 Oct 2007, 03:53
so it seems everyone is all about disconnecting these days in ranked matches.
can anyone from team17 confirm whether a "victory" due to a disconnect helps rank as much as a true victory? cause i'm tired of being robbed true victories, and i'll be even more saddened by people's poor sportsmanship if i learn that i could have a better rank were it not for these disco-dancin' fools.

FeXd
10 Oct 2007, 04:17
I too have been disconnect ridden as of late. Pretty obvious ones too (up 1:0 with only one of their worms remaining kind of settings).
But sadly, team17 has posted a few times that due to the network protocol they are using, there is no way to determine which party disconnects.

GhostToast
10 Oct 2007, 04:29
i dont think thats true, because i only have 2 disconnects on my record. and those occurred due to true network failures on my end.

FeXd
10 Oct 2007, 04:58
This thread explains all: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=611322&postcount=9

Linewalker
10 Oct 2007, 05:03
I think that most of that thread referes to the PSP version. I remember Parsley having some heated exchanges with a few forum members, but when someone mentioned the DS version, he said "wrong team, maybe someone from two tribes can step in?" although that might have been a completely different thread...
So, can anyone from team 17 or two tribes give us DS users an answer?

GhostToast
10 Oct 2007, 12:28
i sent a form mail from two tribes' website, urging them to visit this forum and participate. hopefully one of them will have a little time for that sort of thing.

Luther
11 Oct 2007, 13:49
Here's a recent quote from NeoGAF's thread about Zelda,The Phantom Hourglass and it's online matches:
"So I just spent the last hour or two playing the online battle mode.. Didn't complete a single game. Every single game I was in (probably nearly a dozen) ended with the other player quitting. That's how bad the quitting is in this game.
Sigh..
Taking a long time to get some matches started tonight too, are people tired of the battle mode already? Or just tired of not being able to finish a damn match?"
Sound familliar?

wave
11 Oct 2007, 14:04
Here's a recent quote from NeoGAF's thread about Zelda,The Phantom Hourglass and it's online matches:
"So I just spent the last hour or two playing the online battle mode.. Didn't complete a single game. Every single game I was in (probably nearly a dozen) ended with the other player quitting. That's how bad the quitting is in this game.
Sigh..
Taking a long time to get some matches started tonight too, are people tired of the battle mode already? Or just tired of not being able to finish a damn match?"
Sound familliar?
i wonder which system has more quitters though, hopefully team17 will come up with a way of reducing quitting quitters in the future i'm confident they can.

h.v.k1
11 Oct 2007, 14:56
Arrg, just disable the quit button, or replace it with surrender.
But in loads of other online games they can tell who quit, take nfs most wanted, it has a disconnect percentage which only goes down If you quit.
Or just make it so the quit button sends info to the server telling it that your opponent won.
Please team17 do something about it!

GhostToast
12 Oct 2007, 02:09
or an electroshock feature that sends searing pain and ultimately causes death among those who attempt to quit. i bet that would deter people real fast!

FeXd
12 Oct 2007, 04:08
WOW
The people on the Top 10 don't even have any damn decency!
OBVIOUS disconnect playing Tricky (ranked 5). I had two worms, he had one. He had position advantage, and was trying to block me in (which would have secured the match). He doesn't place the girder in time, so it's my turn (odds are I will win now due to the screwup)... disconnect during my turn.
I had thought that just maybe the people on the top 10 would have the respect to stay in matches. Guess I was wrong.

kirbySS
12 Oct 2007, 08:44
Heh, how do you think they got there?

ren666
12 Oct 2007, 09:46
Yeah, its beyond a joke now, I had 5 games last Sunday, and got 5 disconnects in a row when I was about to win (yes, I should have won 5 games in a row) WTF, its the year 2007, can't you even make a freaken system to detect a disconnect? Is it too expensive? Don't know how to do it?
Here's a tip guys: Don't even bother release the Wii version until you can make a leader board that actually works...

parsley
12 Oct 2007, 10:50
i wonder which system has more quitters though, hopefully team17 will come up with a way of reducing quitting quitters in the future i'm confident they can.
We cannot force users to finish games; it's simply not possible. (Or rather, given some of the ideas I've had, legal.)

wave
12 Oct 2007, 11:01
We cannot force users to finish games; it's simply not possible. (Or rather, given some of the ideas I've had, legal.)
staying within the bounds of legality is probably wise.

GhostToast
12 Oct 2007, 12:52
i've played BAD JASS twice (who is on most of the top tens) and he did not disconnect despite him losing.
So not everyone is that way. i suppose what hurts is that you never know if you're going to end up in a random encounter with someone who is going to disconnect.
i am convinced that in the DS version though, you are awarded victory points if you are the remaining party in a disconnect, and i feel this is the way it should work. i'm not sure if its the same amount of points one would get for a true victory, but at least it rewards you for sticking it out. and in the three times i've had disconnects (two network failures, one frozen game), i've seen my ranking go down (up, however you want to call it...the bad way)
so this model seems to work pretty well.
and ya it kinda sucks that people with crummy networks are going to suffer a little, but what can you do?

dcuk7
12 Oct 2007, 14:17
i've played BAD JASS twice (who is on most of the top tens) and he did not disconnect despite him losing.
So not everyone is that way. i suppose what hurts is that you never know if you're going to end up in a random encounter with someone who is going to disconnect.
i am convinced that in the DS version though, you are awarded victory points if you are the remaining party in a disconnect, and i feel this is the way it should work. i'm not sure if its the same amount of points one would get for a true victory, but at least it rewards you for sticking it out. and in the three times i've had disconnects (two network failures, one frozen game), i've seen my ranking go down (up, however you want to call it...the bad way)
so this model seems to work pretty well.
and ya it kinda sucks that people with crummy networks are going to suffer a little, but what can you do?
I think you should sue! ;)

Linewalker
12 Oct 2007, 17:41
Fexd and Kirby,
That's a bit unfair saying the whole top 10 is like that. I personally don't disconnect against other people very often, normally only because of network problems. I'm happy to give them their win if they've outplayed me. I also know a few of the other top 10's have played on to the bitter end against me, so there's no reason to say we're all cheaters.
I haven't played all of the current top 10, but some of the people who have been up there recently (shiftless, ark, dewormers, bad jass to name a few) will normally play a full game and give you the win if you beat them.

Moiz575
12 Oct 2007, 18:44
thats true

FeXd
12 Oct 2007, 19:59
Fexd and Kirby,
That's a bit unfair saying the whole top 10 is like that. I personally don't disconnect against other people very often, normally only because of network problems. I'm happy to give them their win if they've outplayed me. I also know a few of the other top 10's have played on to the bitter end against me, so there's no reason to say we're all cheaters.
I haven't played all of the current top 10, but some of the people who have been up there recently (shiftless, ark, dewormers, bad jass to name a few) will normally play a full game and give you the win if you beat them.
Sorry I'm aware of my harsh generalization. It was not meant to be taken as me stating "everyone on the top 10 cheats"; just displaying the shock of experiencing someone on the top 10 disconnecting on me. I've played mike's awesome on a few occasions (win and lose) and he's never dced.
A few bad apples can definitely spoil the bunch. :P
PS: Look forward to playing you sometime!

Squirminator2k
13 Oct 2007, 00:27
Arrg, just disable the quit button, or replace it with surrender.
But in loads of other online games they can tell who quit, take nfs most wanted, it has a disconnect percentage which only goes down If you quit.
Or just make it so the quit button sends info to the server telling it that your opponent won.
Please team17 do something about it!
http://stuff.benpaddon.co.uk/wow2quit.gif

MM96
13 Oct 2007, 02:48
i honestly dont care about d/cers, its just i lose my rankage:(

Plasma
13 Oct 2007, 11:22
Even though there's an easy workaround, I would have much preferred the quit option to also be a surrender.

wave
13 Oct 2007, 13:27
Even though there's an easy workaround, I would have much preferred the quit option to also be a surrender.
its confusing to me but i gather that it is a surrender except when its just two players remaining, then the game just stops when someone quits which is what we all hate. 'This session is no longer available.'

jb.jones
13 Oct 2007, 23:05
I had thought that just maybe the people on the top 10 would have the respect to stay in matches. Guess I was wrong.
I am in the top 10 and I don't quit.
Heh, how do you think they got there?
Um, you do know that if people quit they still lose their points?

FeXd
14 Oct 2007, 02:11
jb.jones: Yes, refer to my earlier post, quoted here.
Sorry I'm aware of my harsh generalization. It was not meant to be taken as me stating "everyone on the top 10 cheats"; just displaying the shock of experiencing someone on the top 10 disconnecting on me. I've played mike's awesome on a few occasions (win and lose) and he's never dced.
A few bad apples can definitely spoil the bunch. :P

MrAlBobo
14 Oct 2007, 05:07
just so you people realize...there are ways to quit without losing points, anyone who has played other DS games alot (namely mph and mkds) should know how
also...it still surprises me that the "complaining about dcers" topics outnumber the "it takes over 30mins to find an opponent" topics
because personally...im so happy to find someone that i dont care if they dc

Squirminator2k
14 Oct 2007, 06:24
I've never had problems finding other players.

wet_knife
14 Oct 2007, 08:32
Hey, I'm in the top ten too and I NEVER quit (network problems, of course, do happen).
I guess I'm pretty sick of this kinda stuff going on too, but you just gotta get used to it. And I'd like to thank the people that I have played for not d/c'ing because without you, I wouldn't be in the top ten :cool:. lol, j/k. I don't really care about that stuff. I just don't like sore losers.

GhostToast
14 Oct 2007, 13:55
I've never had problems finding other players.
are you talking about the psp version or the ds version?
in ds version it seems to be hit or miss whether there are many people on or not.

fall
23 Oct 2007, 04:35
Hey, it's me again, the guy who keeps getting DCed when playing with my cousin. The weird thing about it is that when I play online, the other player always ends up surrendering,... EVEN FRIENDS MATCHES!! It happens in friend matches, random matches, everything.
But the weird thing is that, when it surrenders, it looks like the other player is surrendering. But i'm talking to my cousin through AIM and he says that it looks like i'm the one surrendering. But neither of us pressed the surrender button. I am pretty sure it is a glitch with the servers or something... because it's rare that i even finish a round due to everyone always surrendering.... :(

GhostToast
23 Oct 2007, 14:17
sounds like you have a bad connection and are dropping from the game. you might want to try playing at mcdonalds or at some other more stable wifi environment you can gain access to.

BAD JASS
23 Oct 2007, 22:31
Hi Ghost Toast (and the others) ! I just discovered this site and I'm happy to be able to say you that I really really want to see you again in fortress mode and get my revenge ...

Squirminator2k
23 Oct 2007, 22:42
I never have a problem finding someone to play with on either version.

GhostToast
23 Oct 2007, 23:02
hey bad jass, nice to see you dropping in. come get your revenge, but be careful or i might take #1 from you again! =)

BAD JASS
24 Oct 2007, 05:31
Yeah yeah, that's a possibility, I know ... By the way, talking about disconnections, it seems to me that once, an opponent had cowardishly disappeared but my rank had leveled up though. Have I dreamed ? But I'm talking about a time when a single victory was enough to make ranks move : now it's very hard !
Hate you,
Bad Jass.

GhostToast
24 Oct 2007, 12:31
i'm pretty sure that's what happens if your opponent was the one who disconnected - that you gain points. but i'm not sure if its the same amount you would have been awarded had they stuck around and let you win.

BAD JASS
24 Oct 2007, 15:31
Bah. Luckily, not every one plays like this. By the way, when do you intend to play fortress ? You see, I'm officially n°1 but somewhere I feel like being n°2 and it's a unpleasant feeling ... What do you think ?

GhostToast
24 Oct 2007, 22:05
i usually play around somewhere between 4:30 pm central (-6 GMT) time and 10:00. You can add me on AIM if you want, Nuclear Toast.

West
25 Oct 2007, 21:58
I've gone up in rank after a d/c before as well, but I've also dropped 15 or 20 rankings from someone else's d/c in a match I'd essentially won. So who knows.

MrAlBobo
26 Oct 2007, 04:37
sigh...i miss my 30mins of being in 1st on the forts leaderboards XD
i go by wifitournament.com and am probably in 3rd right now :D

FeXd
26 Oct 2007, 15:53
I've gone up in rank after a d/c before as well, but I've also dropped 15 or 20 rankings from someone else's d/c in a match I'd essentially won. So who knows.
I've fallen significantly as well under similar circumstances.

Moiz575
26 Oct 2007, 16:22
What happened to fedXd happened to me

LimeMini
26 Oct 2007, 20:00
Well, as time passes, more people buy the game and play it more often, and therefore the leaderboards change! I suppose that in a couple of years people will start to see who is the true leader/cheater/eye-strained player of the game.

Joel_the_J
27 Oct 2007, 18:53
I am in the top 10 and I don't quit.
Um, you do know that if people quit they still lose their points?
I'm in the top ten too, well I was anyway, and I never quit. And yes people that quit lose thier points too, so no you can't break into the top ten quitting.

GhostToast
29 Oct 2007, 23:20
well, now i'm not so sure. i was in a ranked deathmatch with phineas, was the second round and i was about to seal the deal for a victory. we got disconnected.
so i went and checked my stats to see if i had acquired another disconnect. nope.
then i went to refresh the chat room at http://gtamp.com/worms/ because it seems to be very up to date on number of points (i was watching my points grow steadily after each match). points did not go up.
so perhaps people who disconnect do prevent us from getting points?

Worm Wod
30 Oct 2007, 21:39
yay i hate disconnects too but i never disconnect because im an honorable player who can accept defeat

Ariiel
2 Nov 2007, 08:51
Im still trying to get the veteran medal
so hard with everyone quitting :(

Sylver84
2 Nov 2007, 11:33
He guys,
I am new here and just read the entire post, i need some 100 % answers from yall, i buyed worms 2 ow just 3 days ago and start playing online too. the first day i played 3 matches, won 2 and lost 1. Now day 2 i get every message '' this session is no longer availebel'' and never ended a match, yesterday the same problem.
I checked my network and the signal strenged is constant between 90 and 100 %. Checked config and no problems. Now these are my questions, which i hope to get a 100% sure answers on. Cause i am getting sick of the message '' this session is no longer availebel.
1) when this session is no longer availebel apears, does this mean the other 1 quit or disconnect.
2) Does my network signal changes the game, mean loading times or ''waiting for other players''
greetings
a lose cannon
edit : psp version
edit2:chat customized 1 line whit : Quiter? If yes then quit now.

wave
2 Nov 2007, 12:08
He guys,
I am new here and just read the entire post, i need some 100 % answers from yall, i buyed worms 2 ow just 3 days ago and start playing online too. the first day i played 3 matches, won 2 and lost 1. Now day 2 i get every message '' this session is no longer availebel'' and never ended a match, yesterday the same problem.
I checked my network and the signal strenged is constant between 90 and 100 %. Checked config and no problems. Now these are my questions, which i hope to get a 100% sure answers on. Cause i am getting sick of the message '' this session is no longer availebel.
1) when this session is no longer availebel apears, does this mean the other 1 quit or disconnect.
2) Does my network signal changes the game, mean loading times or ''waiting for other players''
greetings
a lose cannon
edit : psp version
edit2:chat customized 1 line whit : Quiter? If yes then quit now.
yes when it says 'this session is no longer available' it usually means that teh person has QUIT on you. sometimes it is possible that the connection failed in the game.
to limit the amount of quitters, play one round games, also play levels with infinite jetpacks and dynamite avaialble as thats all some players want to use. Also start making buddies with guys who soldier on and even though they lost and had no chance did not quit on you, thats the sign of a real player and someone who will develop and become a worthy oponent!

matrona
10 Nov 2007, 17:17
lots of players instead of using 'surrender' just type 'sorry i have to go now' and disconnect...why admins of the server dont change only points to the player that left the game, instead charging the other sides, too? the others dont have to gain points, but loosing them isnt fair if its not your fault! it really ****es off all of us!!!
they could put patch in a download section and a big announcement on the main page of the site.

matrona
10 Nov 2007, 17:26
and yes...
yesterday i played 2 vs 2, and my partner left at the beginning...so i played alone against 8 worms and won 3 rounds in a row...it was the hardest game ever for me and i wanted to quit zillion times, but i havent! only thing i did was that i removed one of the opponents from the buddy list :P :))

JohnyQuest
11 Nov 2007, 12:11
lots of players instead of using 'surrender' just type 'sorry i have to go now' and disconnect...why admins of the server dont change only points to the player that left the game, instead charging the other sides, too? the others dont have to gain points, but loosing them isnt fair if its not your fault! it really ****es off all of us!!!
they could put patch in a download section and a big announcement on the main page of the site.
yes! when will someone from team17 do some basic programming stuff and make a patch that will fix the situation?! like, when a person quits, the session doesn't end like that, with both players loosing points, and sessions don't get "no longer available",but like in situations with more than 2 ppl playing, when a person disconnects, a message is displayed:
"player xxxx has left the game" and his team automaticaly surrenders. that would be great! but as we all know, there's been some programming issues so it works only until there is at least 2 players left in the game. so if one of them disconnects, the session gets "unavailable"! fix this! make it that in 1vs1 games surrendering trick still works! why is this patch so hard to make? just put it in download section!

Plasma
11 Nov 2007, 12:44
fix this!
They can't. The more-than-three player surrendering thing works because the other two 'players' confirm to the server that one of the players is gone. But when it's a 1v1, the game can't tell whether it's you that disconnected or if it's the other player.

Wormetti
11 Nov 2007, 13:28
The download section was designed for flags and landscapes. It wouldn't know what to do with an executable.

JohnyQuest
12 Nov 2007, 10:19
They can't. The more-than-three player surrendering thing works because the other two 'players' confirm to the server that one of the players is gone. But when it's a 1v1, the game can't tell whether it's you that disconnected or if it's the other player.
i don't belive in they-cant's. they can do it, the only question is, why would they? it takes too much time and unless they are paid, why bother? only i dont think they realise how many people have abandoned game comlpetely for destroying their nerves :D

JohnyQuest
12 Nov 2007, 10:20
The download section was designed for flags and landscapes. It wouldn't know what to do with an executable.
it could be managed.. like they did it in "killzone: liberation"..

matrona
12 Nov 2007, 12:29
yesterday, i realized that sunday is the quitter's day! i lost 11 points just due to the ones that quit!

HaMoNeR
21 Nov 2007, 10:58
Hi all
I'm not good in english lol
I hate quitters lol....so i block all quitters after game
Like that i hope select the good player in the time
I write a message in the wow chat: "if u quit u will be blocked" & " blocks all quitters"
If u do like me maybe the quitters disapears.....

oya
8 Dec 2007, 18:28
I agree w/ GhostToast that you still get credit for a win when the other party dc's, and it was pretty evident after one match where I made a huge jump from 11th to 7th after a battle with Korea Kim (no accusation intended; played a bunch against this person before and they'd never dc'd previously).
I think that, based on the point ranking system, if you're still too far from surpassing the next person up then you may not see a difference (only if you have a way to track your points). Maybe it has something to do w/ the match score? The games where I'd noted an increase in ranking were when I'd one the first, then the opponent dc'd the second. If a dc counts as a single-round loss, I wonder if it consider things a "tie" if you'd lost the first game instead, then they dc'd on the second (thus ending 1-1).
I used to be bugged about the dc'ng, but after noticing that the ranking would still improve afterwards it's more of an annoyance now. . . of course, I just found that my network is bailing out on me mysteriously, so I'm laying off until I get a new router : ( . Apologies to anyone I may have dropped games w/ in the past couple days.

AweFab
30 Dec 2007, 18:10
I still don't see why it can't just always reward who is up in the match health wise during a DC. I get people who quit after I have killed their last worm and it should be going to the rank screen and I just get the DC screen, that is ridiculous, there should be a system to reward who is ahead no matter what.
EDIT: I just crushed LineWalker (ranked 1) by three worms and won both rounds and he pulled this BS. Ridiculous, now I may dedicate my signature to harming his name, what a sore loser. He isn't even that good, he must have gotten ranked 1 by pulling this crap.

KRD
30 Dec 2007, 22:39
I still don't see why it can't just always reward who is up in the match health wise during a DC. I get people who quit after I have killed their last worm and it should be going to the rank screen and I just get the DC screen, that is ridiculous, there should be a system to reward who is ahead no matter what.
EDIT: I just crushed LineWalker (ranked 1) by three worms and won both rounds and he pulled this BS. Ridiculous, now I may dedicate my signature to harming his name, what a sore loser. He isn't even that good, he must have gotten ranked 1 by pulling this crap.
Because then whoever got the first turn would walk up to the closest enemy worm, shoot him for 25 HP, pull the network cable out and claim the win. How did this not occur to you? By all means, though, do add quitters you encounter to the appropriate list in this forum.
Edit: There, found the thread for you (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34846). It'd probably be a sticky by now if everyone used it and perhaps updated the initial post.

AweFab
30 Dec 2007, 22:49
Because then whoever got the first turn would walk up to the closest enemy worm, shoot him for 25 HP, pull the network cable out and claim the win. How did this not occur to you? By all means, though, do add quitters you encounter to the appropriate list in this forum.
Edit: There, found the thread for you (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34846). It'd probably be a sticky by now if everyone used it and perhaps updated the initial post.
Yeah I realized that then

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