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MercuryLS
4 Dec 2005, 02:12
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Make Worms Armageddon for XBox Live Arcade with online play. The game and the system are a perfect fit for each other. You can charge upwards of $15 for the title, and let me tell you it WILL sell on the thing. It'd easily be the highest quality title available and it'd be perfect for the system, the online modes would work SO well on XBox Live.
Sorry to sound like a fanboy :P But it'd be awesome if you guys could make this happen. Contact Microsoft, get the ball rolling! I was dissapointed when I didn't see your company name on the list of XBLA developers, we've gotta change that.
Worms + Online + Headsets + Custom Soundtracks + XBox 360 + XBLA = MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!
Make it so :)

Cyclaws
4 Dec 2005, 02:21
I won't happen because:
a) I doubt there is an publisher damand.
b) However good the game is, because it is getting on in years, it is doubtful that a publisher will take interest.
Remember, it's not up to Team17, it's up to whoever publishes the game.

MercuryLS
4 Dec 2005, 02:27
I won't happen because:
a) I doubt there is an publisher damand.
b) However good the game is, because it is getting on in years, it is doubtful that a publisher will take interest.
Remember, it's not up to Team17, it's up to whoever publishes the game.
Because XBox Live Arcade is a web based delivery system there's no need for a publisher, or marketing dollars. If Team 17 contacts MS with the proposal and it goes through (I don't see why it wouldn't it absolutely trashes every other game on the service) MS would send them a dev kit to port the game over. MS would then test it to make sure it meets the TOS and put it up on the service. Hassle free service from MS, I heard that they give over 50% of the game's profit right back to the developer.
I personally think this is more lucrative than the ports they're doing for PSP and the DS. They can offer the game for a cheap price and every XBox 360 owner can have access to it from their dhasboard, doesn't matter if they have Xbox Live gold (paid subscription), just as long as they've got a ethernet cable and are willing to pay for the game, they've got access to it.
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't work. Its easy cash for Team 17 and it'd be a HUGE asset to XBox Live Arcade where half of the titles are garbage. We need more compelling stuff on there and Worms is one of the BEST multiplayer games period.

bonz
4 Dec 2005, 02:52
it won't happen due to copyright issues.
iirc, all the 2nd generation worms games (w2, w:a & wwp) have parts of the code made by 3rd party, contract programmers back then.
besides, the publisher of w2 & w:a was microprose, which was bought by hasbro, which was bought by infogrames...
so probably all of the above mentioned parties would have to give an ok to make it possible.
(completely leaving aside the fact that companies like microsoft & sony are bāstards)

Iguana
4 Dec 2005, 04:27
So you want them to release a next-gen console with great specs and visuals with a dated Worms port as one of its launch titles? I definetely get your logic.

bonz
4 Dec 2005, 05:06
So you want them to release a next-gen console with great specs and visuals with a dated Worms port as one of its launch titles? I definetely get your logic.
maybe it'll work if they bundle the release with pong & missile command! :D

MercuryLS
4 Dec 2005, 06:54
So you want them to release a next-gen console with great specs and visuals with a dated Worms port as one of its launch titles? I definetely get your logic.
Dude have you seen XBLA? Its a nice depository for oldschool games for cheap. All of them support custom soundtracks and some support multiplayer over XBox Live. Its awesome, I love my next-generation games but there's always room for quality oldschool games. Its a perfect fit.
I don't see why this isn't possible. Fine, Team17 would have to go through Infogrames, I don't see why they would have a problem with this. Its money in the bank, XBox Live Arcade is already doing very well.

thomasp
4 Dec 2005, 10:22
Dude have you seen XBLA? Its a nice depository for oldschool games for cheap. All of them support custom soundtracks and some support multiplayer over XBox Live. Its awesome, I love my next-generation games but there's always room for quality oldschool games. Its a perfect fit.
I don't see why this isn't possible. Fine, Team17 would have to go through Infogrames, I don't see why they would have a problem with this. Its money in the bank, XBox Live Arcade is already doing very well.
Did you not read what bonz said?
it won't happen due to copyright issues.
iirc, all the 2nd generation worms games (w2, w:a & wwp) have parts of the code made by 3rd party, contract programmers back then.
I imagine Team17 no longer have contact with those programmers.
Also, Team17 don't really have the money to pour at an XBox release for the game without being supported by a publisher - they're only a small development company in Yorkshire. They still have to test it before its sent off to Microsoft for testing, and all that costs money, which by the sound of this XBLA thing, they don't get until the game starts selling.

bonz
4 Dec 2005, 16:31
another reason against it may be that a cheap download of w:a (whith online multiplayer) for the xbox could be a competition for the releases of "worms open warfare" on sony's psp & nintendo's ds.
(i even bet that there are clauses in the contract to not do something like that)
also, have a look at the games at xbla!
there are mostly card games & puzzle games. not the right place for a >130mb game like w:a.
"Xbox Live Arcade games can fit onto a user's hard drive or memory unit."
besides, all the people who would download the game, would instantly get addicted to it and not buy any more xbox games! :D
edit:
companies like microsoft & sony are bāstards

MercuryLS
4 Dec 2005, 20:21
You guys are such haters :(

SupSuper
4 Dec 2005, 20:38
You guys are such haters :(We're not haters, we're just realistic.

MercuryLS
5 Dec 2005, 04:29
We're not haters, we're just realistic.
When it does finally come to XBox Live Arcade I'll bump this thread. You guys are are really reaching with the reasons why this wouldn't be possible.

thomasp
5 Dec 2005, 07:39
When it does finally come to XBox Live Arcade I'll bump this thread. You guys are are really reaching with the reasons why this wouldn't be possible.
I wouldn't hold my breath personally :)

MrBunsy
5 Dec 2005, 18:26
You can charge upwards of $15 for the title, and let me tell you it WILL sell on the thing. It'd easily be the highest quality title available and it'd be perfect for the system, the online modes would work SO well on XBox Live.
Would anyone be prepared to do that when you can get it on PC for a fiver?
It's a nice enough idea, but I can't imagine it would take off even if T17 did do it.

eeevans
8 Dec 2005, 16:15
i wholeheartedly agree with mercury.... some form of 2d worms on xbla would be stunning... was coming here to start a thread about this - good job i did a search like a good forum boy...
anyway... it doesn't haveta be a complete port - rewrite the bits they don't own... who knows?.... sounds like a small project that wouldn't be a drain on resources and am convinced it would be a seller...
size of download isn't important...many of the 360 demos weigh in at just under 1Gb.... everyone's got broadband... so just go make a cuppa tea...

thomasp
8 Dec 2005, 16:21
anyway... it doesn't haveta be a complete port - rewrite the bits they don't own... who knows?.... sounds like a small project that wouldn't be a drain on resources and am convinced it would be a seller...
That'd cost even more money, which Team17 probably don't have much of.
Also, they'd actually have to make it different enough to not get sued.

bonz
8 Dec 2005, 17:21
That'd cost even more money, which Team17 probably don't have much of.
team17's budget has been planned in advance for the next 10 years:
93.7% of the money is spent on beer.

agent luke
12 Dec 2005, 16:16
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Make Worms Armageddon for XBox Live Arcade with online play. The game and the system are a perfect fit for each other. You can charge upwards of $15 for the title, and let me tell you it WILL sell on the thing. It'd easily be the highest quality title available and it'd be perfect for the system, the online modes would work SO well on XBox Live.
Sorry to sound like a fanboy :P But it'd be awesome if you guys could make this happen. Contact Microsoft, get the ball rolling! I was dissapointed when I didn't see your company name on the list of XBLA developers, we've gotta change that.
Worms + Online + Headsets + Custom Soundtracks + XBox 360 + XBLA = MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!
Make it so :)
man some people! iv'e seen threads around that say:is there going to be a worms 5?
i mean team17 made worms 4 like what...a few mounths ago..and people are expecting a new game a couple mounths later?!?:eek: and here i see on my whats for x-mas thread that plenty people are still asking for worms 4!!

Akuryou13
12 Dec 2005, 16:49
even IF this managed to happen, look at the W:A community online these days. there are plenty of people left, but look at the numbers compared to other games. MS is a company who are all about money, they're not going to add a game to their list unless it will get them a bunch of money. Worms IS a popular PC title in europe, but in america, it's an underground "cult classic" of sorts. there simply aren't enough american players and XBox is an american system. I know that live extends outside america, but even outside of america, the numbers of players who still play worms games online just aren't up to standards of other online games.

SupSuper
12 Dec 2005, 19:48
Plus Xbox Live isn't that popular outside of america. At least here it's never been released, though maybe that'll change with the Xbox 360.

Mr. Frink
12 Dec 2005, 20:23
Plus Xbox Live isn't that popular outside of america. At least here it's never been released, though maybe that'll change with the Xbox 360.Huh? OT, but I get all of these Europeans trying to join my Halo 2 games and stuff, and there are almost as many Polish and German users out there as there are Yanks. At least from what I know.:p
And I also think that W:A should be released for the Box. My copy of it didn't taste too good.

Jadriel
16 Dec 2005, 18:04
I have to say I'm loving XBox Arcade on the 360, and I agree with the OP about the idea - it would be lovely to have.
Shame it can't happen :(

Darius2
6 Jan 2006, 01:34
It sounds like some of you who are saying it would never work don't understand the nature of Xbox Live Arcade.
Most of the games are either:
1) Ports of classic games, or
2) Games made by independant developers who don't want to go through mainstream publisher/retail channels.
Take, for example, Mutant Storm Reloaded. It's modern take on old-school top-down shooters, developed by a massive global mega software giant consisting of two (2) people. One programmer and one sound/art guy, and they managed to get their game onto the Xbox 360. And it sold thousands of copies in the first weeks after launch, and it's still selling.
A port or remake of one of the Worms classics would be perfect on Xbox Live Arcade! Microsoft may be a big corporation of bāstards, but they have a small team of people who are passionately dedicated to helping small developers get their games onto Xbox Live Arcade.

Spadge
6 Jan 2006, 06:29
Actually, MS did contact us about this last year and there have been forward moving discussions.
We do see it as a pivotal and perhaps ideal place for the series to land, a view shared by various XB360 Live Arcade planning folks.
However, for one reason and another (to be honest, mainly our obligations with PSP/DS) the development didn't happen (actually we were on the XBLA dev list around E3 time) but now that we've experienced just how awesome XB Live is on 360, we've resurrected the conversations. I wouldn't expect it anytime shortly (and it won't be a quick port of Armageddon etc) but it is on the agenda.
Also, if it did make it, it'd be a 2d version with a lot of downloadable content - which is something Live Arcade is very cool about.

Spadge
6 Jan 2006, 06:32
team17's budget has been planned in advance for the next 10 years:
93.7% of the money is spent on beer.
If only that were true. We're getting too old and grey to consume that much beer these days.

Darius2
6 Jan 2006, 14:22
Wow, that's so great to hear! I hope that it works out. It'll be a happy day on Xbox Live the day a 2D Worms game shows up.
Thanks for filling us in!

Made in
6 Jan 2006, 15:30
Actually, MS did contact us about this last year and there have been forward moving discussions.
We do see it as a pivotal and perhaps ideal place for the series to land, a view shared by various XB360 Live Arcade planning folks.
However, for one reason and another (to be honest, mainly our obligations with PSP/DS) the development didn't happen (actually we were on the XBLA dev list around E3 time) but now that we've experienced just how awesome XB Live is on 360, we've resurrected the conversations. I wouldn't expect it anytime shortly (and it won't be a quick port of Armageddon etc) but it is on the agenda.
Also, if it did make it, it'd be a 2d version with a lot of downloadable content - which is something Live Arcade is very cool about.
Wahoo! :D
...even considering the fact that I only own an SNES. :p

Xinos
6 Jan 2006, 15:56
*laughs at everybody who says Team17 would never do this*

bonz
6 Jan 2006, 16:23
*laughs at everybody who says Team17 would never do this*
We're getting too old and grey to consume that much beer these days.
i bet if they weren't too old & grey...

Jancelot
6 Jan 2006, 20:49
Thank you, yes and please. Worms in 3D is still fun, but the game is pure brilliance in 2D.

Made in
6 Jan 2006, 21:15
*laughs at everybody who says Team17 would never do this*
Well said! :D

MercuryLS
13 Jan 2006, 03:47
Actually, MS did contact us about this last year and there have been forward moving discussions.
We do see it as a pivotal and perhaps ideal place for the series to land, a view shared by various XB360 Live Arcade planning folks.
However, for one reason and another (to be honest, mainly our obligations with PSP/DS) the development didn't happen (actually we were on the XBLA dev list around E3 time) but now that we've experienced just how awesome XB Live is on 360, we've resurrected the conversations. I wouldn't expect it anytime shortly (and it won't be a quick port of Armageddon etc) but it is on the agenda.
Also, if it did make it, it'd be a 2d version with a lot of downloadable content - which is something Live Arcade is very cool about.
That's some fantastic news. I don't mind if it takes some time to come out, just as long as you guys are actively looking into it, I'm happy. XBLA is amazing and I'm sure that a Worms game (with online!) would be incredibly successful on the service.
:)

MercuryLS
13 Jan 2006, 03:50
*laughs at everybody who says Team17 would never do this*
HUAHUAHUAHAUHAUHAUHAUAH
HATERS ***ED.
Ok, wnough out of me. *waits patiently for Worms goodness to hit X360* *drool*

bonz
13 Jan 2006, 04:04
HATERS ***ED.
iirc, there where no haters, just sceptics.
"dubio, ergo sum."

MercuryLS
13 Jan 2006, 04:14
iirc, there where no haters, just sceptics.
"dubio, ergo sum."
It doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Akuryou13
13 Jan 2006, 22:03
It doesn't quite have the same ring to it.yeah, really! I mean, who needs truth when it sounds better without it? :rolleyes:

MercuryLS
16 Jan 2006, 18:05
yeah, really! I mean, who needs truth when it sounds better without it? :rolleyes:
Don't be a hater.

Akuryou13
17 Jan 2006, 00:38
Don't be a hater.don't try to sound cool when you're on an internet gaming message board :p

Dexxa Worm
3 Feb 2006, 21:52
Actually, MS did contact us about this last year and there have been forward moving discussions.
We do see it as a pivotal and perhaps ideal place for the series to land, a view shared by various XB360 Live Arcade planning folks.
However, for one reason and another (to be honest, mainly our obligations with PSP/DS) the development didn't happen (actually we were on the XBLA dev list around E3 time) but now that we've experienced just how awesome XB Live is on 360, we've resurrected the conversations. I wouldn't expect it anytime shortly (and it won't be a quick port of Armageddon etc) but it is on the agenda.
Also, if it did make it, it'd be a 2d version with a lot of downloadable content - which is something Live Arcade is very cool about.
This all would be very nice. I've even played some great stuff on there and think that W:A, GutterBall 3D and GutterBall 2 (If you don't understand... click http://www.skunkstudios.comhere) would work completely well on Xbox. For the GutterBall games the left thumbstick would be position bowler/steer ball and A would be release ball. For Worms Armageddon the controls would be alot like 3D Worms games. B would be jump for instance. *finishes brownie in bowl*. Mmmmmmmmm brownie *drools*. Anyway, It would be nice and wormers and bowlers would love it. Happy Worming!

Tomas
4 Feb 2006, 00:39
So you want them to release a next-gen console with great specs and visuals with a dated Worms port as one of its launch titles? I definetely get your logic.
I find the gameplay of the older 2d version of worms much better than the 3d versions of this game. Some games works just better in 2d.

[UFP]Ghost
4 Feb 2006, 04:18
i'd be upset if they made it cause i don't have an xbox and don't have the extra cash to go out and buy 1 :P

Akuryou13
4 Feb 2006, 14:57
Ghost']i'd be upset if they made it cause i don't have an xbox and don't have the extra cash to go out and buy 1 :Pconsider yourself lucky.
they're known to implode upon their own weight and form singularities, don't ya know?

yabmnl
7 Mar 2006, 15:18
There was a group of us a month or two back (sorry, using a bug me not account ;) ) that emailed Team17 about it on the 360
and a petition http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/2dwormsforxbox360/signatures . That was only posted in two places though and sadly there was no reply back either, but as the petition shows (other than a few spam messages) that it is a most wanted game!

wormies
10 Mar 2006, 16:48
why would you want worms on a powerfull system like xbox? wouldn't it be easier to just buy it for pc and play online through that? also you could get loads of extra stuff if you get it for pc, like splapps map for example also i really think that team 17 should realease one of the lemmings game free for pc so we could all enjoy it becuase i really doubt that people are still buying it. (i even doubt that it is still in stores)
originally posted by Akuryou13
don't try to sound cool when you're on an internet gaming message board
lmao

bonz
10 Mar 2006, 22:14
i really think that team 17 should realease one of the lemmings game free for pc
Yeah!
I bet Microsoft would also really like to release all the software of their competitors for free for PC.
You do know that T17 is the developer of the new Lemmings for PSP, but Sony owns the copyright to the Lemmings franchise?
As they bought up Psygnosis, who bought up DMA Design (now Rockstar North), which were the original developers of Lemmings.

wormies
10 Mar 2006, 22:19
Yeah!
I bet Microsoft would also really like to release all the software of their competitors for free for PC.
You do know that T17 is the developer of the new Lemmings for PSP, but Sony owns the copyright to the Lemmings franchise?
As they bought up Psygnosis, who bought up DMA Design (now Rockstar North), which were the original developers of Lemmings.
and you do know that i'm not a geek and i have no idea what you just said :rolleyes: well lemmings is really old and as i said i doubt that it's still in stores nor anyone buys it so i don't really see what's the problem.
EDIT: oh and trust me, there are alot of websites that have the game worms and lemmings or oh no! more lemmings game to download for free illigaly (i just visited one today)

bonz
10 Mar 2006, 22:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmings
T17 only made the new Lemmings game for the PSP.
They have nothing to do with the old ones.
They were made by DMA Design (now R* North) and later by Clockwork Games & Take-Two Interactive (probably a few other developers too).
Those old games were published by Psygnosis, which was bought up by Sony.
So only Sony can decide if any of the games they have the rights to gets available for free.
And all that "abandon ware" talk is bullsh*t.
You can never legally download a game simply because it's not available for purchse anymore.
Edit:
illigaly (i just visited one today)
You filthy pirate, you! ARRRRGH!

MrBunsy
10 Mar 2006, 22:28
and you do know that i'm not a geek and i have no idea what you just said :rolleyes: well lemmings is really old and as i said i doubt that it's still in stores noranyone buys it so i don't really see what's the problem
It's still in stores. I went into Game the other day and saw "Lemmings 95 for Windows" for sale in the PC games area.
You can't just release games for free willy-nilly, someone ones the rights to them, and when that someone is now Sony, there's not a chance they'll be released for free.
and you do know that i'm not a geek and i have no idea what you just said :rolleyes:I'm not a chav, and can't understand what YOU just said. :P

bonz
10 Mar 2006, 22:30
and when that someone is now Sony, there's not a chance they'll be released for free
Not until hell freezes up and/or pigs can fly.

wormies
11 Mar 2006, 00:19
You filthy pirate, you! ARRRRGH!
lol it's not like i downloaded any of teh lemmings games there
(to tell you the truth they didn't have the one i wanted so i might as well just download the snes amulator and get that lemmings game as a rom)
and hey i'm sure about 3/4 of this forum downloaded something illigal off the net..take kazaa as an example, it's illiegal yet everybody has it and uses it.

Akuryou13
11 Mar 2006, 00:41
and hey i'm sure about 3/4 of this forum downloaded something illigal off the net..take kazaa as an example, it's illiegal yet everybody has it and uses it. and yet, amazing as it is, that DOESN'T make it legal....isn't it funny how that works?

wormies
11 Mar 2006, 04:17
and yet, amazing as it is, that DOESN'T make it legal....isn't it funny how that works?
yeah, really funny yet nobody does anything about it, (i'm sure u have used or had illigal software on your pc) c'mon! admit it.

Akuryou13
11 Mar 2006, 13:38
yeah, really funny yet nobody does anything about it, (i'm sure u have used or had illigal software on your pc) c'mon! admit it. and yet, strangely enough, it STILL doesn't validate your argument....amazing! simply amazing! :rolleyes:

MrBunsy
11 Mar 2006, 18:01
lol it's not like i downloaded any of teh lemmings games there
(to tell you the truth they didn't have the one i wanted so i might as well just download the snes amulator and get that lemmings game as a rom)
and hey i'm sure about 3/4 of this forum downloaded something illigal off the net..take kazaa as an example, it's illiegal yet everybody has it and uses it.
Kazaa isn't illegal. It's what people do with it. And there have been cases where illegal files have been tracked down by the law, it just hasn't been old games most of the time.

Rabito71
12 Mar 2006, 05:11
I know team 17 can make a way to donate money to them from us the fans to help them have money to build the game we want.:)
like a charge out of a credit card it cant be hard to do that.

wormies
12 Mar 2006, 18:14
and yet, strangely enough, it STILL doesn't validate your argument....amazing! simply amazing! :rolleyes:
i'm sorry, what was my argument agein? :p

SupSuper
12 Mar 2006, 19:01
and you do know that i'm not a geek and i have no idea what you just said :rolleyes: well lemmings is really old and as i said i doubt that it's still in stores nor anyone buys it so i don't really see what's the problem.
EDIT: oh and trust me, there are alot of websites that have the game worms and lemmings or oh no! more lemmings game to download for free illigaly (i just visited one today)The problem is game companies don't think like that. If they did that they wouldn't be able to release all their old games to mobile platforms years later ;)

Akuryou13
13 Mar 2006, 13:15
I know team 17 can make a way to donate money to them from us the fans to help them have money to build the game we want.:)
like a charge out of a credit card it cant be hard to do that.do you have any idea what kind of money it takes to completely fund a game?

bonz
13 Mar 2006, 15:36
do you have any idea what kind of money it takes to completely fund a game?
That's peanuts in the case of T17.
At least 80% of the money would be needed to fund their beer consumption.

Dicentim
22 Mar 2006, 11:37
Worms on XBLA a dream that will come true. I hope so...
I also pray for a micromachines 2 ;)
Franck a 31 years old french player

BruceMcGoo
7 Jun 2006, 13:25
Worms on XBLA a dream that will come true. I hope so...
I also pray for a micromachines 2 ;)
Franck a 31 years old french player
Micromachines would be great.. as would Streets of Rage (the first of course)..
XBLA has so much potential.. and at last the companies are catching on to it :)

Luther
7 Jun 2006, 16:38
That's peanuts in the case of T17.
At least 80% of the money would be needed to fund their beer consumption.
I prefer Twiglets.

bonz
7 Jun 2006, 17:45
I prefer Twiglets.
Oh no! :eek:
Now my perfect image of the T17 HQ is shattered...
How should I keep gags about beer and Twiglets running?

quartzlcc
9 Jun 2006, 17:52
Well, it'd be another reason for me to get an Xbox 360, not JUST for Sonic Next-gen (And of course upcoming Sonic titles after that)... XD
But it's not gonna happen. It's a nice idea, though.
And wait, why not just put it up for download on the Wii when it's out? Eh? It's the same idea. Same thing, actually. So, yeah, it wouldn't make sense NOT to do both if Team 17 actually did it. (But I understand why they wouldn't)
Anyway, great idea, though.:)

kikumbob
12 Jun 2006, 11:15
I prefer Twiglets. Really, guys, your just as bad as most of the forumers:-/
And I've seen at least three different spellings of illegal. >_< It just makes me mad...

qwertz
12 Jun 2006, 16:08
Well, it'd be another reason for me to get an Xbox 360, not JUST for Sonic Next-gen (And of course upcoming Sonic titles after that)... XD
But it's not gonna happen. It's a nice idea, though.
And wait, why not just put it up for download on the Wii when it's out? Eh? It's the same idea. Same thing, actually. So, yeah, it wouldn't make sense NOT to do both if Team 17 actually did it. (But I understand why they wouldn't)
Anyway, great idea, though.:)
the classic sonic the hedgehog is coming to xbla as well :)

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