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tgworm
22 Mar 2007, 18:18
Well, the name says it all really...what are your views?

MrBunsy
22 Mar 2007, 18:34
Really? Oh. Wow :p
It'll fail. Too expensive and not enough good games, or in fact, enough games at all.

Cyclaws
22 Mar 2007, 18:35
Great! Can't wait to go out and spend £425! Eeeee I'm so excited!!!
:-/

_Kilburn
22 Mar 2007, 18:38
Nah Sony FAILS, Nintendo RULES. :mad:

WormGod
22 Mar 2007, 18:42
Really? Oh. Wow :p
Lol, same here. :p
At school we said nothing about it. Even on release day we talked about the Wii more.
Sony = 300% FAIL.

tgworm
22 Mar 2007, 19:03
No NO NOO. Sony is 100%Pass. Playstation has always been good, it kicks x box with alot more memory and general quality and easily beats wii as I have played on one alot and I just find it a really poor gaming console compared to others

Cyclaws
22 Mar 2007, 19:15
it a really poor gaming console compared to others
I bet you a tenner* you based that on graphics only.
*Nope.

Muzer
22 Mar 2007, 19:20
Isn't that a type of recorder? :p Oh wait, that's tennor. Meh.

Paul.Power
22 Mar 2007, 19:32
No, that's a tenor.
And frankly the idea of someone thinking up "recorder" as the first word to be associated even with tenor frankly astounds me. Vocalist, yes. Saxaphone, yes. Recorder? RECORDER??? Recorders are torture instruments, not musical instruments.
Tenner is British slang for a ten pound note.
I don't want a PS3, no.

pilot62
22 Mar 2007, 19:39
I'm not exited, because I have no interest in buying one. IMO there're better things I can spend my hard earned (haha) money on.
I've never been one for consoles anyay, I prefer PC gaming.

Alien King
22 Mar 2007, 20:03
Recorders are torture instruments, not musical instruments.
There are worse. The recorders aren't that bad.
The console case is bad. The controllers have always been poor. The games are usually only average (although they always are the most numerous with a few gems in there). Plus, the PS3 is very expensive and is less energy efficient than an old toaster.

Muzer
22 Mar 2007, 20:07
I bet you a tenner* you based that on graphics only.
*Nope.
No, that's a tenor.
And frankly the idea of someone thinking up "recorder" as the first word to be associated even with tenor frankly astounds me. Vocalist, yes. Saxaphone, yes. Recorder? RECORDER??? Recorders are torture instruments, not musical instruments.
Tenner is British slang for a ten pound note.
I don't want a PS3, no.
I know, I'm British. You must learn about something called the :p smilie :p.
And I just thought of recorder because I had just made a post in the music thread about recorders. :p

*Splinter*
22 Mar 2007, 20:07
Tomorrow you mean, surely?
Also: cant wait :D regardless of what you lot think *hmph!*
Anyone played it yet? It feels different and needs a little getting used to, but was pretty impressive and the motion sensing felt more solid than the Wii

tgworm
22 Mar 2007, 20:11
I bet you a tenner* you based that on graphics only.
*Nope.
No, I base it on the co-ordination between the playsticks/controllers and the console. Reaction time and actual similarity between where the player moves and where the graphic moves etc.

Alien King
22 Mar 2007, 20:13
No, I base it on the co-ordination between the playsticks/controllers and the console. Reaction time and actual similarity between where the player moves and where the graphic moves etc.
There isn't any real noticible difference between the consoles on that front. The Playstation controllers never felt as good as the Gamecube or XBox controllers did. The button layout on the Playstation was a little clumsy and didn't improve going into the next two generations.

Cyclaws
22 Mar 2007, 20:26
No, I base it on the co-ordination between the playsticks/controllers and the console. Reaction time and actual similarity between where the player moves and where the graphic moves etc.
Which is exactly the same on the Wii as it is on the PS3. There's no delay... you wave the Wiimote around and the reticle, or curser, or whatever follows you on the screen. It offers far superior accuracy in games for what I hope are obvious reasons.
Personally, I base it on how much fun I believe the system will give me. Nintendo have a good past of producing good consoles that are fun to play at affordable prices (affordable being a key word). Sony have a habbit of remaking their consoles, adding a bit of graphical power and calling it next generation. Now, no doubt the PS3 is fun, but at that price (and the price of the games), is it worth it? Not in my opinion - the Wii is more fun, at a much more reasonable price.

tgworm
22 Mar 2007, 20:30
Which is exactly the same on the Wii as it is on the PS3. There's no delay... you wave the Wiimote around and the reticle, or curser, or whatever follows you on the screen. It offers far superior accuracy in games for what I hope are obvious reasons.
Personally, I base it on how much fun I believe the system will give me. Nintendo have a good past of producing good consoles that are fun to play at affordable prices (affordable being a key word). Sony have a habbit of remaking their consoles, adding a bit of graphical power and calling it next generation. Now, no doubt the PS3 is fun, but at that price (and the price of the games), is it worth it? Not in my opinion - the Wii is more fun, at a much more reasonable price.
I think Wii have put too much time into the "wonderment" of the remote and the way you can make the graphic do what you do...blah blah and taken that time off all the other elements a good console should have...

Alien King
22 Mar 2007, 20:34
all the other elements a good console should have...
Which are what exactly? All of the consoles provide decent graphics and good gameplay. What more does the PS3 offer? It has some more power and slightly better graphics. That doesn't automatically improve gameplay. It may help, but it doesn't vastly improve it.
What elements should a video game console have? It needs to be able to provide good enterteinment, which come from good gameplay. Gameplay is more dependant on the games than the console. Nintendo have a very good history of providing top quality games, even with what would appear to be the "inferior" console.

Muzer
22 Mar 2007, 20:52
Yes, very simple, yet very addictive... I'm still playing SMB once a day on VC.

Cyclaws
22 Mar 2007, 21:12
I think Wii have put too much time into the "wonderment" of the remote and the way you can make the graphic do what you do
It's called innovation. The PS3 has none.
What other features should a console have? I turn on my Wii to have a bit of fun. Not to be amazed by awesome graphics.

tgworm
22 Mar 2007, 21:13
It's called innovation. The PS3 has none.
What other features should a console have? I turn on my Wii to have a bit of fun. Not to be amazed by awesome graphics.
okok, you guys win, I admit defeat..

Cyclaws
22 Mar 2007, 22:02
okok, you guys win, I admit defeat..
Just to let you know, I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong, I'm just challenging your opinion on the matter. ;)

wigwam the
22 Mar 2007, 22:32
wow. what a pessimistic topic. this never happened in the Wii topic. being a Nintendo and Playstation owner myself- I can't relly understand why. sure, the Wii is good, but most of you guys haven't even... played a Ps3 yet. and... don't go by launch. the launch sucked.
Really? Oh. Wow :p
It'll fail. Too expensive and not enough good games, or in fact, enough games at all.
Nah Sony FAILS, Nintendo RULES. :mad:
Lol, same here. :p
At school we said nothing about it. Even on release day we talked about the Wii more.
Sony = 300% FAIL.
and... these two comments had... like... no arguament in them whatsoever.
It's called innovation. The PS3 has none.
What other features should a console have? I turn on my Wii to have a bit of fun. Not to be amazed by awesome graphics.
it has a powerful processor. that's not just graphics you know.
the Wii has fun games, but the Ps3 probably just needs a bit of time to take off. as I said before, the launch wasn't very good. more fun games should come out for it in due time. you saw Littlebigplanet and Ratchet and clank 4/5? ...
well, that was the most pro-console post I've made in a long time.

Splapp
22 Mar 2007, 22:37
Sure, the PS3 may not sell as many units as the Wii (at launch anyway)... but that doesn't mean it'll FAIL. It's like people saying the PSP is a failure, when it's obviously been successful. It's the first console in GOD knows how long to actually survive in the handheld market while Nintendo's hanging around.
Anyway, about the PS3... I definately want one (once the price drops a bit :p). The game line up for the future is looking pretty tasty now.

TintinWorm
22 Mar 2007, 23:31
I don't have any of the consoles, but, like most here, I would get a Wii, but really, just because I prefer one console to the other doesn't mean I want the PS3 to fail. There are some good games out now, and there are more to be released (LittleBigPlanet, for example), but I can see why people don't want it because of its price.

AndrewTaylor
23 Mar 2007, 00:18
the Wii has fun games, but the Ps3 probably just needs a bit of time to take off.
Probably true; the PS3 has some powerful stuff under the bonnet (as you'd bloody well hope it to at £425 a shot), so it'll be a good while before developers figure out how best to use it.
But in that case, why would you buy the thing? It implies that sure, it's rubbish, but eventually it'll become good. But by then it'll be cheaper (if there's any justice) so why buy one now?

Pigbuster
23 Mar 2007, 02:18
...In EUROPE, I'm assuming.
I don't really want Sony to fail (corporate competition is good for everyone), but I do find that I want Blu-Ray/HD-DVD to fail.
Hey, now that everyone's done converting from VHS to DVD, let's shove a new, expensive format onto them.
No thanks.
By the way, not to be a poor sport, but it is for this EXACT TYPE OF THING that I created the gabbin' thread.
I will complain consistently until people learn.

Star Worms
23 Mar 2007, 03:09
Those who got the PS3 were also given a free £2500 TV to play it on... well 100 of them anyway. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6482789.stm

WormOfFire
23 Mar 2007, 06:57
I don't like Ps3 anyway.
Atleast not until it gets a HUMONGOUS price drop =p

Paul.Power
23 Mar 2007, 09:07
...In EUROPE, I'm assuming.The only important region :p.
(I somehow feel compelled to point out in advance that this is a wind-up)

Xinos
23 Mar 2007, 11:35
I've nothing against consoles out of political standpoints, but the Xbox360 has way more games, so it wins by default. Before the 360 was out I was gonna get a PS3, but now I see little reason to do so.

Plasma
23 Mar 2007, 14:05
okok, you guys win, I admit defeat..
gg, next map

tgworm
23 Mar 2007, 19:49
wow. what a pessimistic topic. this never happened in the Wii topic. being a Nintendo and Playstation owner myself- I can't relly understand why. sure, the Wii is good, but most of you guys haven't even... played a Ps3 yet. and... don't go by launch. the launch sucked.
and... these two comments had... like... no arguament in them whatsoever.
it has a powerful processor. that's not just graphics you know.
the Wii has fun games, but the Ps3 probably just needs a bit of time to take off. as I said before, the launch wasn't very good. more fun games should come out for it in due time. you saw Littlebigplanet and Ratchet and clank 4/5? ...
well, that was the most pro-console post I've made in a long time.
Sure, the PS3 may not sell as many units as the Wii (at launch anyway)... but that doesn't mean it'll FAIL. It's like people saying the PSP is a failure, when it's obviously been successful. It's the first console in GOD knows how long to actually survive in the handheld market while Nintendo's hanging around.
Anyway, about the PS3... I definately want one (once the price drops a bit :p). The game line up for the future is looking pretty tasty now.
100% agreed. It's basically what I was trying to say but in a much more detailed and accurate manor.:p

Metal Alex
23 Mar 2007, 21:20
Let's see... Xbox seems like a win for its graphics, and IIRC it's a bit better than the ps3. It's older than the ps3, so it has more games, and even better ones. But it doesn't have Playstation in the name, so it'll be less known. Price: ok
The Wii. It has an innovate way of playing, and can still offer old school games. Wait for Smash Bros if you don't believe. Games, not many, some fun ones, but some good ones on the go. The graphics are poor compared with the others, but it's made for the movement sensor, and that all. Price: great
The PS3. It has a semi movement detector, not fully detecting, like the Wii, and has few games for now, with great ones on the future. It's like a mid term, in some way. Price: WTF D:
So, as I see it, I'd prefer the Wii, for having a better price-fun relation, and Smash Bros and other games on the future (I'm getting Mario Galaxy too, probably :p)

Preasure
23 Mar 2007, 21:29
The problem is is that Sony are trying the same tactic as Microsoft did with the Xbox - introduction late into a maturing market to take advantage of customer boredom (yes, I did a case study on this :p). Unfortunately, when it costs £500 that doesn't work as well.
Most of the middle ground gamers who wanted next-gen have got 360's, the lower end who just want an occasional console that's fun to play and doesn't break the bank have got Wii's, that just leaves the high end who probably have gotten really, really bored waiting for it. (Yes, I realise I'm generalising. But it's a pretty fair way of comparing markets) Sony will have some success with it, for all that's been said it's still a good console and will develop a community. However what we're likely to see is a reversal of the last few years, with microsoft holding the main ground with an accessable product at a good price, sony having a strong but smaller penetration with a premium product, and nintendo staying the same, probably with a greater market share.

MrBunsy
23 Mar 2007, 22:14
You don't (or did?) do business studies by any chance do you? :p

SupSuper
23 Mar 2007, 23:09
I haven't seen it sell out yet.
I'm not shocked.

Plasma
24 Mar 2007, 00:13
One of my local shops hired security guards to stop people from pushing in when it opened!
About three people lined up.

Metal Alex
24 Mar 2007, 01:00
One of my local shops hired security guards to stop people from pushing in when it opened!
About three people lined up.
WOA! owned.

AndrewTaylor
24 Mar 2007, 01:04
WOA! owned.
Ironically, the PS3's biggest problem at the moment is that it simply isn't being owned.

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2007, 01:44
Anyone played it yet? It feels different and needs a little getting used to, but was pretty impressive and the motion sensing felt more solid than the Wiiuh.....no it doesn't? the PS3's motion capture feels rather tacked on. not to say it isn't good (well, by MY experience it's absolutely horrible, but I'm assuming that was just a bad console, as it was also one that died after 40 minutes), but it's hardly better than the wii's. in the way it works, they're on equal grounds from my understanding. the only difference is the way they're implemented and the wii wins on that one just cause it was made for motion sensing while the PS3 just adds it as another feature.
as for the PS3 failing, you guys are idiots :p the PS3 was rocky to begin with and still isn't getting the sales, but with the announcement of LittleBigPlanet and Home, just about everyone that I see online on message boards and such like that is casting off the "Screw you, sony" view point and adapting the "well, MAYBE I'll get one eventually" attitude. so it might just get a sales boost later on when there's something interesting about it.

Star Worms
24 Mar 2007, 04:10
The problem is is that Sony are trying the same tactic as Microsoft did with the Xbox - introduction late into a maturing market to take advantage of customer boredom (yes, I did a case study on this :p). Unfortunately, when it costs £500 that doesn't work as well. The Xbox situation was different. The Xbox was technically superior to the PS2, in terms of the console capabilities and specifications as it was released a lot later. As it was released later there was a lack of games when compared to the PS2. The PS3 isn't technically all that much better than the Xbox 360, it's been released not much later and lacks games compared to the PS2. The Xbox had an edge over the PS2 in one sense but that's not really true for the PS3 over the Xbox 360. I can only see Sony losing out through this.

MtlAngelus
24 Mar 2007, 08:50
I really haven't seen any new games on Xbox or Wii that really catch my attention, the only reason I want a Wii is for the older console games, including Gamecube games as I never even touched one. But as for new games, The PS3 has several of them comming that I really look forward to. So yes right now it's probably not something I would buy, but eventually it will be a must get.

Preasure
24 Mar 2007, 18:19
You don't (or did?) do business studies by any chance do you? :p
Yep. :p I'm hoping to take it at uni too.
I think Sony have made somewhat of a mistake in underestimating why people buy consoles. It's easy to get wrapped up in processor power and graphics, but at the end of the day people want one that'll be fun for them to play, and at a price they can afford.

SupSuper
24 Mar 2007, 20:02
I have yet to see any games for the PS3 that would make me want it. So far all I see in catalogs is port after crap after port. Ridge Racer 7, Sonic The Hedgehog, TC - Rainbow Six - Vegas, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, NBA 2007, F.E.A.R, Marvel Ultimate Alliance...

philby4000
24 Mar 2007, 22:55
Well there's always the new Devil May Cry game.
Oh wait.

gingerneck
24 Mar 2007, 23:32
Playstation 3 is not released in Estonia yet. :(

Paul.Power
25 Mar 2007, 15:31
The worrying thing about Devil May Cry 4 is that it's making my friend Amy want to get a PS3.
"Nooo! Don't!" etc.

philby4000
25 Mar 2007, 15:59
Is she aware that it's recently gone multiplatform?:p

Paul.Power
25 Mar 2007, 20:36
Is she aware that it's recently gone multiplatform?:pWell, I certainly wasn't. I shall have to tell her.
Which platforms?

philby4000
25 Mar 2007, 21:07
PS3 and Xbox360.
It'll probably end up on PC eventually.

Splapp
26 Mar 2007, 23:12
The Playstation 3 has had the most successful console launch EVER in the UK, beating even the Wii. SUCK ON THAT.
http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=200703261531693000&releaseId=20060314132311609002

AndrewTaylor
26 Mar 2007, 23:43
In fairness, the Wii and the 360 sold out, so that's not a very helpful comparison. All that proves is that there were more PS3s, and since Sony have been stockpiling them since October, there damn well should have been.
Long term figures are what matter.

Akuryou13
27 Mar 2007, 01:22
The Playstation 3 has had the most successful console launch EVER in the UK, beating even the Wii. SUCK ON THAT.
http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=200703261531693000&releaseId=20060314132311609002I'm actually rather surprised that they had that many available much less that they sold.
then again, the PS3 sold pretty well here as well until everyone realized it's a waste of money right now :p

AndrewTaylor
27 Mar 2007, 10:51
This is the trick; Sony have a horde of fans (and another horde of the easily-hyped) who've been waiting months for this. It was always going to sell well on launch day. As I say, long-term sales are important here.

*Splinter*
27 Mar 2007, 18:06
In fairness, the Wii and the 360 sold out.
Yep, totally, couldn't agree more, uh huh... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212)
This is the trick; Sony have a horde of fans (and another horde of the easily-hyped) who've been waiting months for this. It was always going to sell well on launch day. As I say, long-term sales are important here.
I think you'd find the largest 'horde' belongs to Nintendo, simply because they were big first

Splapp
27 Mar 2007, 18:26
I think you'd find the largest 'horde' belongs to Nintendo, simply because they were big first
Yes, the Wii-tards as they're affectionately known. :p
PS3 software sales are also looking good (http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20060227184938843092&releaseId=200605091245703025)

Plasma
27 Mar 2007, 18:35
Yep, totally, couldn't agree more, uh huh... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212)
The difference here is that Microsoft and Nintendo shipped a decent amount of consoles (but not enough) while Sony Japan made very few.
PS3 software sales are also looking good (http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20060227184938843092&releaseId=200605091245703025)
That doesn't mean much: new games always hit the top of the charts instantly!

SuperBlob
27 Mar 2007, 19:49
Yep, totally, couldn't agree more, uh huh... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212)
On the note of using VGCats comics - http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224
:rolleyes:

Pigbuster
27 Mar 2007, 21:47
Yep, totally, couldn't agree more, uh huh... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212)
Uh... what?
That comic shows how silly Sony's American launch plan was.
It doesn't really say anything about Nintendo or their launch.
Unless Nintendo did with the Wii in Europe as Sony did with the PS3 in America, and I don't THINK they did. (Didn't exactly follow the statistics of the European launch).

WormGod
27 Mar 2007, 22:41
Uh... what?
That comic shows how silly Sony's American launch plan was.
It doesn't really say anything about Nintendo or their launch.
Unless Nintendo did with the Wii in Europe as Sony did with the PS3 in America, and I don't THINK they did. (Didn't exactly follow the statistics of the European launch).
They practically did.
The availability of Wiis is getting better, thanks to the PS3 launch. I'll probably get one next week.

AndrewTaylor
28 Mar 2007, 15:56
I think you'd find the largest 'horde' belongs to Nintendo, simply because they were big first
I don't recall mentioning Nintendo, or criticising Sony in any way (in this thread).
All I meant was that Sony's horde of fans and their sister horde of the easily hyped were always going to buy a lot of PS3s on launch day and nobody else was.
So good launch days sales don't mean anything, and nor would poor launch day sales have. Long term sales are the key. the Wii and the 360 seem to have done pretty well long-term (or mid-term, anyway) which could be a good or bad sign for the PS3 depending on how you look at it.
Nintendo do have a pretty good horde, though, it's true. I'd wager they're more loyal by now, too. But I'd wager they're not enough to run a business on without a decent share of the mass market to go with them.

Pigbuster
28 Mar 2007, 22:09
So good launch days sales don't mean anything, and nor would poor launch day sales have.
Err...
I'd debate that, but I don't think it's worth it.

AndrewTaylor
28 Mar 2007, 23:39
Err...
I'd debate that, but I don't think it's worth it.
Do you perhaps debate my use of the conditional tense :p

Pigbuster
30 Mar 2007, 01:16
No, just that a BAD launch day does mean something.
It can spell doom for a movie, at least.
A system is more long-term, though, so it might be somewhat different.

Basti@n
30 Mar 2007, 23:41
The PS3. It has a semi movement detector, not fully detecting, like the Wii, and has few games for now, with great ones on the future. It's like a mid term, in some way. Price: WTF D:
Yes. Very high price. And... Even more because the prices are higher here when products are imported. 900,000 Chilean pesos (That's approximately 1500 U.S. Dollars, or, 1,121.84 Euros, 16,563.45 Mexican Pesos, 176,685.00 Japanese Yens, or, 2,194.12 German Marcos) :eek:.
Nah Sony FAILS, Nintendo RULES. :mad:
That was that i was going to say... :rolleyes: I want a Nintendo DS, not a PSP.

WormGod
31 Mar 2007, 22:48
That's a ripoff. The American one is only $700.

Paul.Power
31 Mar 2007, 23:01
Well, this is annoying. I want a Wii for my birthday, and my parents are having serious trouble getting one anywhere.
Plenty of PS3s on the shelves, though. 'Cept I don't want one of those :p.

SupSuper
31 Mar 2007, 23:34
There's plenty of Wiis around here, we stocked up fairly swiftly after the shortage around Christmas.
There's also a bloody lot of PS3, funnily enough. :p

Xinos
1 Apr 2007, 01:36
"Hmm, nobody is buying the PS3... I know, let's raise the price!"

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