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Paul.Power
9 Mar 2004, 13:15
Just in time, too. In a few days time I'll be back to dialup...
http://www.worms3d.com/support.html?area=patc

Vader
9 Mar 2004, 15:46
Just in time, too. In a few days time I'll be back to dialup...
http://www.worms3d.com/support.html?area=patc
not that dial-up is any slower than the speeds you'll get it over broadband...damn crappy servers....i'll host this on Wurmz if i ever get a copy to finish downloading.....ooooh i thought it said 1% then for a second....wishful thinking

Paul.Power
9 Mar 2004, 15:56
not that dial-up is any slower than the speeds you'll get it over broadband...damn crappy servers....i'll host this on Wurmz if i ever get a copy to finish downloading.....ooooh i thought it said 1% then for a second....wishful thinkingMind downloaded pretty quickly :confused:
Mind you, the Uni server is stupidly fast.

pilot62
9 Mar 2004, 15:56
not that dial-up is any slower than the speeds you'll get it over broadband...damn crappy servers....i'll host this on Wurmz if i ever get a copy to finish downloading.....ooooh i thought it said 1% then for a second....wishful thinking
NTL accidentaly upgraded us too broadband for freeeeee, so it'll be a damn site faster than the last patch :D

Luther
9 Mar 2004, 15:58
not that dial-up is any slower than the speeds you'll get it over broadband...damn crappy servers....i'll host this on Wurmz if i ever get a copy to finish downloading.....ooooh i thought it said 1% then for a second....wishful thinking
Get out of the wrong side of bed this afternoon Vader?

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 16:01
If got the new patch now, but now my game always hang up when I try to return to the main menu(from the Online-menu) and very often he find no rooms by Onlinegaming(i.e. the "anything goes", etc.).

xXSpIDerXx
9 Mar 2004, 16:18
Woohoo, 4% already done, and only 8 hours left to go! Kinda weird considering that i have a DSL connetion...

SargeMcCluck
9 Mar 2004, 16:22
not that dial-up is any slower than the speeds you'll get it over broadband...damn crappy servers....i'll host this on Wurmz if i ever get a copy to finish downloading.....ooooh i thought it said 1% then for a second....wishful thinking
Use Jolt and the UK Only Server - I'm getting 60k/s, which on dial-up would be impressive.

Luther
9 Mar 2004, 16:22
Woohoo, 4% already done, and only 8 hours left to go! Kinda weird considering that i have a DSL connetion...
There's not a lot we can do about it. When tens of thousands of people all try to download a file at the same time it goes slow. I wonder if any of the mirrors have a torrent up?

Vader
9 Mar 2004, 16:29
There's not a lot we can do about it. When tens of thousands of people all try to download a file at the same time it goes slow. I wonder if any of the mirrors have a torrent up?
If I knew how i'd have set one up long ago...
Until then Im uploading the patch to the wurmz server at this URL but it wont be there for another half hour, so call it 5:15pm
http://wurmz.net/vader/worms3dservicepatch2.exe
And no Luther, I didnt get out of bed on the wrong side, just hadnt had my morning coffee yet (Yes, 3:45pm counts as the morning when you're a student) ;)

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 16:33
There's not a lot we can do about it. When tens of thousands of people all try to download a file at the same time it goes slow. I wonder if any of the mirrors have a torrent up?
These rates are strange, I got 90 KB/s and it takes only 11 Minutes untill finish downloading... Maybe I was one of the first and so it was faster then it seems to be now...

Boggy-B
9 Mar 2004, 16:37
Why I can't connect to Worm Net ?
I want to play =( !

xXSpIDerXx
9 Mar 2004, 16:38
Hey Luther! Can you explain one thing: Why does Gamershell always redirect me from the download page? Each time i select a mirror and click download, it first opens the menu saying something like "Processing request..." and redirects me back to the W3DSP2 main page! And Jolt throws me to the main index. What the hell is happening? I can only download from 3dGamers, but that mirror is really slow, and it just interupted my download!

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 16:43
Why I can't connect to Worm Net ?
I want to play =( !
I can't connect to the Wormnet, either! But I think that's wanna be fixed when everybody has the patch.
PS: I used the the gamershell mirror and it was very fast!

Luther
9 Mar 2004, 16:43
Hey Luther! Can you explain one thing: Why does Gamershell always redirect me from the download page? Each time i select a mirror and click download, it first opens the menu saying something like "Processing request..." and redirects me back to the W3DSP2 main page! And Jolt throws me to the main index. What the hell is happening? I can only download from 3dGamers, but that mirror is really slow, and it just interupted my download!
I don't know anything about GamersHell, but I'll hazard a guess that the server you're choosing is at maximum capacity and it's throwing you back to the main page so that you can try again.

zog
9 Mar 2004, 16:47
Hmm I got ~ 70 Kb/s on GamersHell, but the game seems to be crashing now :S

Luther
9 Mar 2004, 16:51
Hmm I got ~ 70 Kb/s on GamersHell, but the game seems to be crashing now :S
Zog, you patched the game and it's crashing?

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 16:54
Hmm I got ~ 70 Kb/s on GamersHell, but the game seems to be crashing now :S
It looks like that the game isn't as stable as before patching. As I start the the game the first time it crashed by me, too.

cowlibob
9 Mar 2004, 16:56
It looks like that the game isn't as stable as before patching. As I start the the game the first time it crashed by me, too.
At what point does it crash for you?

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 17:00
At what point does it crash for you?
It crashed once while loading the main menue and the second loading takes a very long time. Maybe it happends just by coincidence, I don't know.

cowlibob
9 Mar 2004, 17:13
It crashed while loading the main menue and the second loading takes a very long time. Maybe it happends just by coincidence, I don't know.
When moving from the LAN / WormNET selection screen to the main menu?
I can't see any particular reason for the game to crash there. Is it repeatable?

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 17:19
When moving from the LAN / WormNET selection screen to the main menu?
I can't see any particular reason for the game to crash there. Is it repeatable?
The first time it crashed when moving from LAN/WornNet to the main menu. I wanted to return to the main menu because I couldn't connect to the wormNet and then it crashed!
The second long loading was by starting.

xXSpIDerXx
9 Mar 2004, 17:22
I don't know anything about GamersHell, but I'll hazard a guess that the server you're choosing is at maximum capacity and it's throwing you back to the main page so that you can try again.
The problem is, that it redirects me before letting me change a server.
Ah well, i'll try again once the rush is off. Since different version s are incompatible online, there is no point in installing the patch today anyway

Luther
9 Mar 2004, 17:25
The first time it crashed when moving from LAN/WornNet to the main menu. I wanted to return to the main menu because I couldn't connect to the wormNet and then it crashed!
The second long loading was by starting.
We're seeing some problems logging in to the server. This does not appear to be associated with the patch. We're working to resolve this issue ASAP. Hang in there and please be patient.

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 17:34
We're seeing some problems logging in to the server. This does not appear to be associated with the patch. We're working to resolve this issue ASAP. Hang in there and please be patient.
How long will it take untill the serverproblem is fixed?

MrBunsy
9 Mar 2004, 17:37
Does this new patch mean that you can only join wormnet if the right ports are open?

zog
9 Mar 2004, 17:42
The 2 times it crashed for me were when refreshing the server list and when leaving a channel. I haven't actually tried again since so I don't know if they're repeatable.
just in-case:
WinMe (lol)
Athlon XP 2000+
ATI Radeon 9000

pilot62
9 Mar 2004, 17:43
We're seeing some problems logging in to the server. This does not appear to be associated with the patch. We're working to resolve this issue ASAP. Hang in there and please be patient.
yea i havent downloaded it yet and i still have problems:-/

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 17:46
The 2 times it crashed for me were when refreshing the server list and when leaving a channel. I haven't actually tried again since so I don't know if they're repeatable.
just in-case:
WinMe (lol)
Athlon XP 2000+
ATI Radeon 9000
That's probably another "bug" from the incurupt server at the moment. I think it will be fixed after the sever is running again.
One more Question: Is the crate bug fixed with the new patch?

Wishmaster
9 Mar 2004, 18:32
Wow. How do you manage to make another patchh over 50mb. Unless i am mistaken.
Im afriad i just wont be joining the rest of wormnet or america.54mb, thats a joke.
I read the readme. Nothing special. Does this patch include all new stuff or is it an upgraded sp1?
I for one cannot download 54mb of new code.

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 18:37
Wow. How do you manage to make another patchh over 50mb. Unless i am mistaken.
Im afriad i just wont be joining the rest of wormnet or america.54mb, thats a joke.
I read the readme. Nothing special. Does this patch include all new stuff or is it an upgraded sp1?
I for one cannot download 54mb of new code.
I think the new patch is no upgrad for the sp1 because the the new patch didn't work if you have the sp1 one installed. But I agree, that there's nothing changed very special.

MrBunsy
9 Mar 2004, 18:39
do you have to uninstall patch one for patch two to be installed (I'ts downloading right now, and I haven't checked the online readme yet)

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 18:43
do you have to uninstall patch one for patch two to be installed (I'ts downloading right now, and I haven't checked the online readme yet)
As I try to install it without uninstall the sp1 he didn't make anything. So, I unstall it and then it works(ok, I reinstall the game but I think that uninstall the patch will be enough).

MATTRXCOOL
9 Mar 2004, 19:45
If you're on XP (i should hope by now :p) you choose repair instead of modify, or anything else you might be tempted to click on. Well that did it for me anyhow without any uninstalling/reinstalling required

Eminem2k3
9 Mar 2004, 20:18
If you're on XP (i should hope by now :p) you choose repair instead of modify, or anything else you might be tempted to click on. Well that did it for me anyhow without any uninstalling/reinstalling required
Are you really sure that that works? I didn't try but what happends to the files of the sp1 then?

CanibalBoB
10 Mar 2004, 00:00
This all the patch fixes? It was so big, I was expecting the editors to be included, along with the weapons taken out and various fixes (like shoddy controls, worms falling through girders and worms just getting stuck on sides).

Cheesydude
10 Mar 2004, 02:04
Yay! Awesomeness! The patch makes all online games perfect. No lag, no crappy issues with adding your team, quitting in the middle of the game, or anything. I can finally host... that's the best part for me. Thanks Team17! :D

cowlibob
10 Mar 2004, 09:45
Wow. How do you manage to make another patchh over 50mb. Unless i am mistaken.
I'm sorry about the size of the patch.
Some of our internal technology has been modified since patch 1, including the data format for some resources. This means that bringing the Western and Eastern Eurpoean versions in to line with the US requires new data.
The side effect of this is that the patch services both initial release (1003) and patch 1 (1053).
The Eastern European patch is in the final stages of release.

Wishmaster
10 Mar 2004, 12:32
Hmmm, well, its still 54mb. I cant download it. isnt theier anyway you can do an upgrade patch? form sp1 to sp2. i assume no.

Laura*****
10 Mar 2004, 12:59
where do you fill in these numbers
- In game : TCP : 5911
- Front end : UDP : 5911
- GS IRC : TCP : 6667
- GS Search Manager : TCP : 29901
- GS Custom Ping : UDP : 13139
- GS List Request : TCP : 28900
- GS Incoming : UDP : 6500
- GS Heart Beat : UDP : 27900
- GS Connect Manager : TCP : 29900
- Outgoing only: HTTP : TCP : 80
I cant seem to play without them, ive got XP
And ive got the second patch

cowlibob
10 Mar 2004, 13:57
where do you fill in these numbers
- In game : TCP : 5911
- Front end : UDP : 5911
- GS IRC : TCP : 6667
- GS Search Manager : TCP : 29901
- GS Custom Ping : UDP : 13139
- GS List Request : TCP : 28900
- GS Incoming : UDP : 6500
- GS Heart Beat : UDP : 27900
- GS Connect Manager : TCP : 29900
- Outgoing only: HTTP : TCP : 80
I cant seem to play without them, ive got XP
And ive got the second patch
These are ports which need to be available to the outside world.
From the control panel, select network connections, then the internet connection you are using.
right click and select properties.
Go to the 'Advanced' tab.
If the Internet Connection Firewall is unchecked, then your computer is not protected by the builtin windows firewall. There may be some other device between you and the internet.
If its a hardware router or firewall, see the devices manual or a helpful friend.
If it's another PC, then setup that PCs firewall, as below.
If the internet connection firewall is enabled, select 'Settings'
This dialogue lists the services which are allowed.
For each of the quoted values do the following:
Click Add.
Give it a descriptive name.
type in 127.0.0.1 or the name of your computer (My computer, properties, computer name, Full computer name)
Type in the number for both internal and external port number (eg for In game : TCP : 5911, enter 5911)
select TCP or UDP.
Hit okay.
Good luck.

MATTRXCOOL
10 Mar 2004, 15:46
Are you really sure that that works? I didn't try but what happends to the files of the sp1 then?
Well it seemed to work for me, the files that were updated from SP1 Seemed to be being overwritten by the files in SP2 (it was going over these files again, i guess replacing them with the newer versions).

Eminem2k3
10 Mar 2004, 16:03
Here's a picture of what happend to me 4(!) times, after leaving a room!

xXSpIDerXx
10 Mar 2004, 16:52
Here's a picture of what happend to me 4(!) times, after leaving a room!
I just knew i've seen that problem somewhere!
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16046

MrBunsy
10 Mar 2004, 17:12
HEY COOL. New startup too, so loads of work has been done to W3D, no wonder a map editor hasn't come out yet. Can you start working on that next by any chance? and thanks for telling me about using 'repair' on the installation

cowlibob
10 Mar 2004, 17:23
HEY COOL. New startup too, so loads of work has been done to W3D, no wonder a map editor hasn't come out yet. Can you start working on that next by any chance? and thanks for telling me about using 'repair' on the installation
Same logo here on all versions...

Laura*****
10 Mar 2004, 17:55
tanx mattrix now i can work with something, i need worms

Eminem2k3
10 Mar 2004, 18:09
I just knew i've seen that problem somewhere!
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16046
That thread was made before the new patch and before the new patch I never had these problems! Anyway, the mainproblem might be the same, but you threat was made before patching.

xXSpIDerXx
10 Mar 2004, 18:20
That threat was made before the new patch and before the new patch I never had these problems! Anyway, the mainproblem might be the same, but you threat was made before patching.
Threat? Lol!
But still, if the problem is the same the solution will be the same too, don't you think? I also had this screen lots of times before, that's why i'm so interested..

ch.moritz
10 Mar 2004, 18:37
Hip Hip Hooray, I can play!
Finally I can play Multiplayer games against the Computer. Before SP2 it always crashed. Now I just finished three rounds against the Computer without a crash. I hope that is not a "one-time"-phenomenon.
And the middle mouse button on my Logitech MouseMan Wheel finally works, too. Would have made "No one rides for free a lot easier, if it had worked before. But I managed that without it (After many, many, many, many [I think you got it now] tries.).
What was really annoying, was the breakdown of the download after an hour, with my Download-manager telling me it was finished, though it had only downloaded half of the file. But the second try worked fine.
It's rather strange to install a patch by using repair, but if it works and you find out about it quick enough.
As I couldn't play multiplayer before I never noticed it, but perhaps this is new:
The "Dove" seems to get confused a lot. It seems to get stuck near small objects and shakes about wildly. After a while it just goes of in a different direction and drops in the water or explodes elsewhere.

Eminem2k3
10 Mar 2004, 18:38
Threat? Lol!
But still, if the problem is the same the solution will be the same too, don't you think? I also had this screen lots of times before, that's why i'm so interested..
There never was a threat :)
But yes, I think that the solution would be the same as in in the other thread.

xilent
11 Mar 2004, 10:32
um.. do you guys know where can i get a crack for this patch ? cause all the previous ones dont work ..
.. thanks

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 10:48
um.. do you guys know where can i get a crack for this patch ? cause all the previous ones dont work ..
.. thanks
LOOOOOOOOOL!!!
You are asking for a crack for the game on the developer's OWN FORUM?!?!
You're gonna get banned, stupid!

Luther
11 Mar 2004, 11:06
um.. do you guys know where can i get a crack for this patch ? cause all the previous ones dont work ..
.. thanks
The cracks don't work? Contact your vendor.
Banned.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 11:10
The cracks don't work? Contact your vendor.
Banned.
I imagine you're now LOOOOLing in your office...

MtlAngelus
11 Mar 2004, 11:29
um, luther you banned spider
and it gave me the impresion you were going to ban xilent, not spider
:-/
was it an accident or what?

Luther
11 Mar 2004, 12:07
um, luther you banned spider
and it gave me the impresion you were going to ban xilent, not spider
:-/
was it an accident or what?
Oops! My mistake. Sorry Spider.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 12:09
Oops! Give me a minute. My mistake. Sorry Spider.
And i first thought that you banned me for that innocent joke....Phew!
Thanks for fixing that so quickly. I thought i'd need to wait till tommorow:)

cowlibob
11 Mar 2004, 12:09
You'll have to forgive Luther, he's a little trigger happy today.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 12:13
You'll have to forgive Luther, he's a little trigger happy today.
Yes. He hits the "Ban user" trigger very quickly, i noticed that:)

AndrewTaylor
11 Mar 2004, 12:25
You'll have to forgive Luther
I shudder to think what'll happen to you if you don't.
Well, to someone, anyway.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 12:26
I shudder to think what'll happen to you if you don't.
Well, to someone, anyway.
No thanks. I'm done arguing with moderators since today:-/
*shivers in fear because he can get banned for nearly anything now*

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 12:39
Well, i don't want to give Luther a real reason to ban me for, so may this thread get back ontopic!
The only problem i've had with the patch is, that you need to reinstall the game to install the SP, and i can't seem to find my CD(gave it to a mate, most probably)

cowlibob
11 Mar 2004, 13:37
Well, i don't want to give Luther a real reason to ban me for, so may this thread get back ontopic!
The only problem i've had with the patch is, that you need to reinstall the game to install the SP, and i can't seem to find my CD(gave it to a mate, most probably)
You shouldn't need to reinstall.
Just use the patch installer over version 1053, as you would over 1003.
The install shield seems to be a little 'quirky' in that it will ask if you want to repair or modify the installation. I think you need to select 'repair'.
Let me know if you find otherwise.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 14:11
You shouldn't need to reinstall.
Just use the patch installer over version 1053, as you would over 1003.
The install shield seems to be a little 'quirky' in that it will ask if you want to repair or modify the installation. I think you need to select 'repair'.
Let me know if you find otherwise.
None of the above can help, because i already uninstalled the game...
When i first launched the installer, it asked me if i want to repair/modify/remove the patch. I chose repair. The game version was still 1053. I chose modify. Nothing changed. Then i uninstalled the game and thought that i can install SP2 over 1003. However, then i didn't find my W3D CDs anywhere around and remembered that i gave it to a m8(actually, it was our both CDs, so he had the right to demand it). It'll take a looong time before that guy gives enough:rolleyes:

Luther
11 Mar 2004, 14:29
Yes. He hits the "Ban user" trigger very quickly, i noticed that:)
I was cleaning it and it went off in my hand.

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 14:36
I was cleaning it and it went off in my hand.
I'm glad the "Delete account" trigger wasn't dirty...

Wishmaster
11 Mar 2004, 14:38
i feel as though luther you may be some sort of evil genious?
do you have a large red button connected to ban users? lol. BUTTON!

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 14:41
It's amazing that it's Luther who took the thread offtopic this time. Oh well, i'll follow....
Luther also has a magic button to shut down the forum - a box of TNT right next to the server

pilot62
11 Mar 2004, 16:04
It's amazing that it's Luther who took the thread offtopic this time. Oh well, i'll follow....
Luther also has a magic button to shut down the forum - a box of TNT right next to the server*gasp* no no no luther, he dosent mean it :eek:

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 16:10
*gasp* no no no luther, he dosent mean it :eek:
Of course i don't mean it. I don't want him to push that button:eek:

Luther
11 Mar 2004, 16:11
It's amazing that it's Luther who took the thread offtopic this time. Oh well, i'll follow....
Luther also has a magic button to shut down the forum - a box of TNT right next to the server
Blimey, is that how you shut down a PC where you live? Your neighbours must be very tollerant.

pilot62
11 Mar 2004, 16:16
Blimey, is that how you shut down a PC where you live? Your neighbours must be very tollerant.maybe there aracnaphobic ;)

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 16:22
Blimey, is that how you shut down a PC where you live? Your neighbours must be very tollerant.
That's why i usually bring my PC into my neighbour's basement before shutting it down. His basement happens to be a WW2 fallout shelter and i have a bullet-proof PC, so he doesn't mind...

Vader
11 Mar 2004, 16:25
That's why i usually bring my PC into my neighbour's basement before shutting it down. His basement happens to be a WW2 fallout shelter and i have a bullet-proof PC, so he doesn't mind...
This thread hurts my brain

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 16:29
This thread hurts my brain
That was my plan

pilot62
11 Mar 2004, 17:15
This thread hurts my brainsorry but its too good a line to miss
What brain
j/k

xXSpIDerXx
11 Mar 2004, 18:22
sorry but its too good a line to miss
What brain
j/k
The One In The Pickle Gar
Not A j/k

K^2
11 Mar 2004, 22:06
Blimey, is that how you shut down a PC where you live? Your neighbours must be very tollerant.
Sure. And the data is delleted with a big chunck of magnet. Is there another way to do it?

Zan
11 Mar 2004, 22:45
Soooo, what does this patch fix for single player?
I want to know before downloading.

AndrewTaylor
11 Mar 2004, 23:40
The One In The Pickle Gar
Not A j/k
Perhaps you should fish it out and ask it how to spell
Not A j/k

Paul.Power
12 Mar 2004, 02:55
Perhaps you should fish it out and ask it how to spell
Not A j/kWhy is everyone suddenly talking in bold?
Probably not a j/k

Laura*****
12 Mar 2004, 10:29
realy realy thanxk i can play whitout any problems, i can even host now
My special thanx to Cowlibob, team17 and everyone whos playing worms
Before service patch 2, i could only join, and even then it would stop in the middle of the game
I realy like the changes and help, on this friendly forum, and you will hear more from Laura (Tha Bom)
worms fan.

Luther
12 Mar 2004, 11:31
realy realy thanxk i can play whitout any problems, i can even host now
My special thanx to Cowlibob, team17 and everyone whos playing worms
Before service patch 2, i could only join, and even then it would stop in the middle of the game
I realy like the changes and help, on this friendly forum, and you will hear more from Laura (Tha Bom)
worms fan.
Aahhh, Laura, you should see the big smile on Cowlibob's face after reading that. :}

Zan
12 Mar 2004, 12:56
I think Iīve asked twice but what does the patch fix for single player?
I never play online in any games...

Wishmaster
12 Mar 2004, 13:21
ABSOLOUTLY NOTHING.
go read the damn readme. se how its called a readme. Even nosing through more postys on these forums will give you thwe answer. Just open your eyes.

Eminem2k3
12 Mar 2004, 13:26
I think Iīve asked twice but what does the patch fix for single player?
I never play online in any games...
Not nothing, nearly nothing... I think that the crate-bug is fixed. Everything else is for the online part.

Zan
12 Mar 2004, 13:26
ABSOLOUTLY NOTHING.
go read the damn readme. se how its called a readme. Even nosing through more postys on these forums will give you thwe answer. Just open your eyes.
I wish I had normal eyes.
Anyway, is the readme in the ZIP file?
I ask because I live in hell. I need to pay for browsing and downloading from websites/pages that arenīt Icelandic.

Eminem2k3
12 Mar 2004, 13:29
I wish I had normal eyes.
Anyway, is the readme in the ZIP file?
I ask because I live in hell. I need to pay for browsing and downloading from websites/pages that arenīt Icelandic.
Yes, the readme is in the zipfile! But you can find it here, too http://www.worms3d.com/readme/Worms3DServicePatch2_readme.rtf

Wishmaster
12 Mar 2004, 13:48
which is why you should look around before asking. Especially when you even said you aked it before.

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 14:19
Perhaps you should fish it out and ask it how to spell
Not A j/k
I tried. It just let out a few bubbles and hid under a pickle(pikly, pikcle, pikol). It asked for some brain juice a few minutes later, though
Not a j/k. DEFINATEVELY NOT

Vader
12 Mar 2004, 14:25
I tried. It just let out a few bubbles and hid under a pickle(pikly, pikcle, pikol). It asked for some brain juice a few minutes later, though
Not a j/k. DEFINATEVELY NOT
Mmmmmmm brain...nothing beats a good cerebral salad

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 14:39
Mmmmmmm brain...nothing beats a good cerebral salad
I hate salads. Esspecially when my brain is involved.
ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS
[OFFTOPIC]Are you going to participate in this Mock Avatar Day, Vader? It already started and will last only till monday

Vader
12 Mar 2004, 14:46
I hate salads. Esspecially when my brain is involved.
ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS
[OFFTOPIC]Are you going to participate in this Mock Avatar Day, Vader? It already started and will last only till monday
whats a mock avatar day? and probably not... ;)

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 14:52
whats a mock avatar day? and probably not... ;)
Let me give you some history.....
....
Ok ,let me just point you to the thread instead:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10592
APJ stood against starting another M.A.D, however, since now he is gone Aku announced M.A.D 2:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16877
It started today and will last till Monday, unless Luther/Spadge/Sel will be against it. However, i haven't seen their opinion on this, so i think they don't mind;)

Vader
12 Mar 2004, 14:57
Let me give you some history.....
....
Ok ,let me just point you to the thread instead:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10592
APJ stood against starting another M.A.D, however, since now he is gone Aku announced M.A.D 2:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16877
It started today and will last till Monday, unless Luther/Spadge/Sel will be against it. However, i haven't seen their opinion on this, so i think they don't mind;)
Nah I have more important things to do than worry about my avatar...whats the penalty for not getting involved?
Back to the drawing board.....

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 15:02
Nah I have more important things to do than worry about my avatar...whats the penalty for not getting involved?
Back to the drawing board.....
The penalty for not getting involved is that you might not get another chance. We have no idea who will be the next webmaster, and he might not allow it in the future. Normally you get a watched status for using a veeery similar to another person's avatar, but only while M.A.D nobody reports you:)
Come one, even K^2 is doing it!
---///EDIT\\\---
I'm wondering, what will be if T17 staff will also participate in this? They have no avatar limits, so they can mock any av they want....Just imagine Kel mocking S2K's avatar or Cowlibob mocking K^2's old av! Or even Grant mocking Luther's av and the other way around...

Eminem2k3
12 Mar 2004, 15:32
Often when I play online I got these message after a few turns:
"Game quit because turn-end validation failed"
What does that mean??

cowlibob
12 Mar 2004, 15:56
Often when I play online I got these message after a few turns:
"Game quit because turn-end validation failed"
What does that mean??
It means the game was no longer synchronised between players.
You get the chance to replay the round.
<Explaination>
The simulation is run on all machines playing the game.
If any of these machines diverge, start telling a different story, then the game is all but shafted.
For example, a mine may drop into the water on one machine, but kill a worm on another.
Causes for the diversion between machines can be simple to spot. Unfortuantely they are mostly not :-(
Iit does look like we still have one or more errors which can cause the synchronisation errors.
These sync errors are caught at the end of each turn; thats what you have spotted. This message is the replacement for the 'bomb back to main menu' behaviour in builds 1003 and 1053.
</Explaination>

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 16:04
These sync errors are caught at the end of each turn; thats what you have spotted. This message is the replacement for the 'bomb back to main menu' behaviour in builds 1003 and 1053.
So the stupid "kicked-back-to-the-menu-because-of-an-unknown-error" issue is fixed with SP2?!
YIIIPPEEEEEE!!!
It's worth to bug my mate to give the CD back for that!!

cowlibob
12 Mar 2004, 16:09
So the stupid "kicked-back-to-the-menu-because-of-an-unknown-error" issue is fixed with SP2?!
YIIIPPEEEEEE!!!
It's worth to bug my mate to give the CD back for that!!
Before you get your hopes up; It's not completely fixed.
It is, however, handled in a better way; such that the match can be continued.

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 16:49
Before you get your hopes up....
If the T17 staff themselves will keep saying that, i'll just wait straight till SP 10 comes out...

cowlibob
12 Mar 2004, 16:56
If the T17 staff themselves will keep saying that, i'll just wait straight till SP 10 comes out...
I can pretend that bugs don't exist and get on with the next project if you prefer.
I know which I'd rather do.

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 18:06
I can pretend that bugs don't exist and get on with the next project if you prefer.
.
Well, we can't pretend as well as you can, so DON'T do that, ok?;)

Eminem2k3
12 Mar 2004, 18:08
It means the game was no longer synchronised between players.
You get the chance to replay the round.
<Explaination>
The simulation is run on all machines playing the game.
If any of these machines diverge, start telling a different story, then the game is all but shafted.
For example, a mine may drop into the water on one machine, but kill a worm on another.
Causes for the diversion between machines can be simple to spot. Unfortuantely they are mostly not :-(
Iit does look like we still have one or more errors which can cause the synchronisation errors.
These sync errors are caught at the end of each turn; thats what you have spotted. This message is the replacement for the 'bomb back to main menu' behaviour in builds 1003 and 1053.
</Explaination>
Thank you for the explanation of the problem! The only problem is that I have these error quite more often than in the 1053-Build. It could be coincidence but I don't think so.

AndrewTaylor
12 Mar 2004, 18:37
Not a j/k. DEFINATEVELY NOTI have to ask:
What do you think j/k means?

xXSpIDerXx
12 Mar 2004, 18:54
I have to ask:
What do you think j/k means?
"Just kidding". However, in the sentences above i used J/k in the same meaning as "joke", not as a verb.
Gotcha
I guess that after all i've done to this thread Luther will tie me to a chair next to the server and push that sacred button....

Zan
12 Mar 2004, 19:44
Yes, the readme is in the zipfile! But you can find it here, too http://www.worms3d.com/readme/Worms3DServicePatch2_readme.rtf
When I read the fix list, they left out many things to fix.
@Wishmaster: Sorry but I looked but didnīt found anything. I have displaying pictures turned off to save usage of the Internet so itīs quite hard to spot the links for me.

Migh T
12 Mar 2004, 19:57
I can't believe it!
The first thing after I bought and installed W3D was, that W3D crashed (reproducable when starting)!
Second, I downloaded 55MB SP1 and it kept crashing my system (Win98SE, all MS-patches installed via Win update, german, machine: Athlon700, Geforce4Ti4200, SB-Live Player1024, 512MB, a fairly ne Detonator-driver, the last SB-patch)!
I wasn't able to get the thingy to run until I downloaded that demo. It worked on my system.
This gave me the hint, that it might be the copyprotection, which crashes.
Next step (ban me or not, I'm a legal customer): gamecopyworld.
With their NoCD patch the game works!!!!
Nobody from T17 was replying to my posts, neither before nor after my visit to gcw.
And I have not been the only one, with this particular problem (perhaps the guy you banned in this thread also was a legal customer, who's only chance to run the game was the NoCD-patch?)!
Afterwards (three weeks, after I bought the game!!!), as I said, the game worked for me, badly as I might add.
I'm not interested in onlinegaming, but like to play the game in hotseat mode.
Here are my issues and NONE of them seems (i haven't installed it yet, since I don't know, if it will work without a NoCD-patch, but the readme suggests so) to be fixed with another 54MB download after nearly three month of waiting (and all of these issues were already reported on this forum):
- More than half of the speech is english, although a german version was installed (not a big issue for me, but strange)
- After using the jetpack, I have to switch to another weapon, before I'm able to select dynamite (actually I can select it before, but I end up with a worm wearing a helmet and holding the dynamite, without any possibility to place it)
- Some games (4 humans multiplayer, non-generated maps(e.g.: the practice place with the golf car)) end right after they are started with draw, back to menu, restart, draw, restart draw, then somehow by some chance we can go on playing, weird!
- I can't modify mousesensitivity!!!!! This really bothers me. Why do I have to misconfigure my Windows, when I want to play W3D. Other games can provide this feature, W3D can not!!!
- Falling though girders (somebody already mentioned this on this thread)
- perhaps some more, I can't remember right know, scan your forums, you'll find a lot more!
Bite my shiny metal...
This sucks!
Again: I'm a legal customer (I'm just stressing this, since I had to use a NoCD-patch to get it to work at all, if you don't believe me, come and visit me or tell me, how I can prove it to you, I will then!) and paid over 30? for this incomplete bug collection (and I didn't even try to play it online, which seems to be a hell of bugs).
The game has nice features and it's fun to play, as long as it works, but honestly, I don't think, that I'll ever again buy another game from T17. I'm willing to bear a lot, but this is enough! You steal my time (online-time for downloading, sparetime for experimenting to get it to work and sparetime for browsing your forums and site, when waiting for a long announced update, which doesn't fix any of the bugs, relevant to me).
The only thing I really want to know: Is there any chance, that there will be a SP3, which fixes any of the issues mentioned above, arrives before the end of 2004 and will not be sized over 10MB (as a little hint, here in germany, there're quite a few people, who don't have a flatrate, but have to pay for these downloads and this adds to the price of the game)?
Please excuse my faulty english, but I'm not a native speaker and quite angry (or do you say ****ed?) in additon.
Regards,
Migh T

Zan
12 Mar 2004, 20:05
I can't believe it!
The first thing after I bought and installed W3D was, that W3D crashed (reproducable when starting)!
Second, I downloaded 55MB SP1 and it kept crashing my system (Win98SE, all MS-patches installed via Win update, german, machine: Athlon700, Geforce4Ti4200, SB-Live Player1024, 512MB, a fairly ne Detonator-driver, the last SB-patch)!
I wasn't able to get the thingy to run until I downloaded that demo. It worked on my system.
This gave me the hint, that it might be the copyprotection, which crashes.
Next step (ban me or not, I'm a legal customer): gamecopyworld.
With their NoCD patch the game works!!!!
Nobody from T17 was replying to my posts, neither before nor after my visit to gcw.
And I have not been the only one, with this particular problem (perhaps the guy you banned in this thread also was a legal customer, who's only chance to run the game was the NoCD-patch?)!
Afterwards (three weeks, after I bought the game!!!), as I said, the game worked for me, badly as I might add.
I'm not interested in onlinegaming, but like to play the game in hotseat mode.
Here are my issues and NONE of them seems (i haven't installed it yet, since I don't know, if it will work without a NoCD-patch, but the readme suggests so) to be fixed with another 54MB download after nearly three month of waiting (and all of these issues were already reported on this forum):
- More than half of the speech is english, although a german version was installed (not a big issue for me, but strange)
- After using the jetpack, I have to switch to another weapon, before I'm able to select dynamite (actually I can select it before, but I end up with a worm wearing a helmet and holding the dynamite, without any possibility to place it)
- Some games (4 humans multiplayer, non-generated maps(e.g.: the practice place with the golf car)) end right after they are started with draw, back to menu, restart, draw, restart draw, then somehow by some chance we can go on playing, weird!
- I can't modify mousesensitivity!!!!! This really bothers me. Why do I have to misconfigure my Windows, when I want to play W3D. Other games can provide this feature, W3D can not!!!
- Falling though girders (somebody already mentioned this on this thread)
- perhaps some more, I can't remember right know, scan your forums, you'll find a lot more!
Bite my shiny metal...
This sucks!
Again: I'm a legal customer (I'm just stressing this, since I had to use a NoCD-patch to get it to work at all, if you don't believe me, come and visit me or tell me, how I can prove it to you, I will then!) and paid over 30? for this incomplete bug collection (and I didn't even try to play it online, which seems to be a hell of bugs).
The game has nice features and it's fun to play, as long as it works, but honestly, I don't think, that I'll ever again buy another game from T17. I'm willing to bear a lot, but this is enough! You steal my time (online-time for downloading, sparetime for experimenting to get it to work and sparetime for browsing your forums and site, when waiting for a long announced update, which doesn't fix any of the bugs, relevant to me).
The only thing I really want to know: Is there any chance, that there will be a SP3, which fixes any of the issues mentioned above, arrives before the end of 2004 and will not be sized over 10MB (as a little hint, here in germany, there're quite a few people, who don't have a flatrate, but have to pay for these downloads and this adds to the price of the game)?
Please excuse my faulty english, but I'm not a native speaker and quite angry (or do you say ****ed?) in additon.
Regards,
Migh T
I hear your problems. The game lacks too many basic options to configure.

BladeX
12 Mar 2004, 20:49
some patch after 5 minutes of play worms 3d.exe crashes!!

MrBunsy
12 Mar 2004, 20:58
I can't believe it!
- After using the jetpack, I have to switch to another weapon, before I'm able to select dynamite (actually I can select it before, but I end up with a worm wearing a helmet and holding the dynamite, without any possibility to place it)
you have to click 'backspace'. In german I don't know, but it's the key with an arrow like : <---
and this is Team 17's FIRST 3D worms game

Vader
13 Mar 2004, 05:12
I have to ask:
What do you think j/k means?
Jaffa Kakes

MrBunsy
13 Mar 2004, 11:48
Jaffa Kakes with Jelly Kidneys

xXSpIDerXx
13 Mar 2004, 12:00
It also means Just Kidnapped, in case you didn't know:)

Star Worms
13 Mar 2004, 12:26
This thread has gone extremely off topic. I'm surprised it hasn't been closed... ( *hint hint*;))

xXSpIDerXx
13 Mar 2004, 13:07
I guess Luther enjoys the offtopic here, because if he'd want us to stop it he'd say so:)...

cowlibob
15 Mar 2004, 09:23
I can't believe it!
The first thing after I bought and installed W3D was, that W3D crashed (reproducable when starting)!
Second, I downloaded 55MB SP1 and it kept crashing my system (Win98SE, all MS-patches installed via Win update, german, machine: Athlon700, Geforce4Ti4200, SB-Live Player1024, 512MB, a fairly ne Detonator-driver, the last SB-patch)!
I wasn't able to get the thingy to run until I downloaded that demo. It worked on my system.
This gave me the hint, that it might be the copyprotection, which crashes.
Next step (ban me or not, I'm a legal customer): gamecopyworld.
With their NoCD patch the game works!!!!
Nobody from T17 was replying to my posts, neither before nor after my visit to gcw.
And I have not been the only one, with this particular problem (perhaps the guy you banned in this thread also was a legal customer, who's only chance to run the game was the NoCD-patch?)!
Afterwards (three weeks, after I bought the game!!!), as I said, the game worked for me, badly as I might add.
Your have correctly worked out the reason for your problem; copy protection. We use SecureRom, which is apparently incompatable with certain (older) CD-ROM drives. As a consumer, I'd be pretty ****ed off too.
However, T17 / Sega have made the decision to protect thier IP, and SecureRom was apparently the best-fit for the project.
I'll try and un-earth a compatability list for you, but I believe Acclaim testers had the same problem, only solved by upgrading the offending CD drives.

cowlibob
15 Mar 2004, 09:27
some patch after 5 minutes of play worms 3d.exe crashes!!
Crashes how?
Can you describe things, so I can see if its a known problem?

RefPsych
15 Mar 2004, 11:47
After installing the new patch my game often crashes when i play online.
The game worked alot bette online before installing the patch!

Vader
15 Mar 2004, 15:56
After installing the new patch my game often crashes when i play online.
The game worked alot bette online before installing the patch!
I disagree, I've playing games in their entirety online for a few days now. Im yet to set my router up to host but joining and winning are now a crash free experience! Of course, I never lose.
There's just one thing wrong with the game now. No sheep in crates! Code it guys, the only reason you didnt was time and now you have heaps of it (I assume)!

Migh T
16 Mar 2004, 19:07
Your have correctly worked out the reason for your problem; copy protection. We use SecureRom, which is apparently incompatable with certain (older) CD-ROM drives. As a consumer, I'd be pretty ****ed off too.
However, T17 / Sega have made the decision to protect thier IP, and SecureRom was apparently the best-fit for the project.
I'll try and un-earth a compatability list for you, but I believe Acclaim testers had the same problem, only solved by upgrading the offending CD drives.
I absolutely understand, you want and need to protect your IP. Other companies (including the company I work for, which of course is no game-company) can do this obviously without locking out legal customers. Just for your information, the problem arose with a Toshiva DVD-ROM drive, which I bought aroud april 2001. Upgrading my hardware is no option for me, only to get a game to work. Actually this will lead to a situation, where I have to buy new hardware every week I buy a new game, adding even more to my lost sparetime, with installing new hardware, reconfiguring the system, reinstalling the system, because it got f***ked up by any changes of the new installation, and so on and on and on. I didn't do this, I don't do it and I wont do it. This shouldn't be an option. Deliver software which satisfies me as a legal customer or you'll loose me as customer. That's the rule of free enterprise.
The gcw-patch works for me. What really pi**es me off is, that I had to figure this out myself in several weeks. No reply from T17 at all. It should be easy for you to deliver a patch with the exact same functionality as the gcw patch has. And I'd rather send in my game packaging (as a proof of me being a legal customer) and get such a patch in reply, instead of getting my game to work with some dubious patch from the net. Am I right that I will have the same problems again, after installing SP2 (of course, I have to return to the unpatched version in advance). So I wil have to wait again for a crack from the net (which of course will only be a small fraction of the time I've waited for SP2), before installing SP2?
And you also haven't answered my actual question? Will there be a patch addressing any of the listed problems? It is kind of unsatisfying for me to press backspace after using the jetpack, as somebody mentioned before. I had a workaround for this problem too (by selecting something different than dynamite), but this is only working around a bug not a solution. You were working on the game for three month since I bought the game, produced another 54MB patch (adding up to round about 110MB of patch), and weren't able to fix anything of the listed problems. Do you really think, that you've released a complete product? I don't think so! I'm already fed up paying for incomplete, buggy software, but loosing the hope, that these problems will ever get fixed and I get an error-free product for the money, I've already paid, is another category. Think about it.
Regards,
Migh T

MrBunsy
16 Mar 2004, 19:11
And you also haven't answered my actual question? Will there be a patch addressing any of the listed problems? It is kind of unsatisfying for me to press backspace after using the jetpack, as somebody mentioned before. I had a workaround for this problem too (by selecting something different than dynamite), but this is only working around a bug not a solution. You were working on the game for three month since I bought the game, produced another 54MB patch (adding up to round about 110MB of patch), and weren't able to fix anything of the listed problems. Do you really think, that you've released a complete product? I don't think so! I'm already fed up paying for incomplete, buggy software, but loosing the hope, that these problems will ever get fixed and I get an error-free product for the money, I've already paid, is another category. Think about it.
Regards,
Migh T
YOU ARE SUPPOST TO PRESS BACKSPACE!
that is how it works!, so that you can place dynamite and fly off! you only get rid of the jetpack by selecting an other weapon. that is how it works!!! Don't you get it??

Eminem2k3
16 Mar 2004, 19:20
YOU ARE SUPPOST TO PRESS BACKSPACE!
that is how it works!, so that you can place dynamite and fly off! you only get rid of the jetpack by selecting an other weapon. that is how it works!!! Don't you get it??
I seems that he doesn't get it and that he would never get it...

xXSpIDerXx
16 Mar 2004, 20:39
And you also haven't answered my actual question? Will there be a patch addressing any of the listed problems? It is kind of unsatisfying for me to press backspace after using the jetpack, as somebody mentioned before. I had a workaround for this problem too (by selecting something different than dynamite), but this is only working around a bug not a solution.
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It is supposed to be that way. It's not a bug, but a part of the game...
You were working on the game for three month since I bought the game, produced another 54MB patch (adding up to round about 110MB of patch), and weren't able to fix anything of the listed problems. .
The new patch isn't really a full patch. It's just modified SP1 with new fixes. So you still have ONLY 54MB of patch, no matter what you say....
Do you really think, that you've released a complete product? I don't think so! I'm already fed up paying for incomplete, buggy software, but loosing the hope, that these problems will ever get fixed and I get an error-free product for the money, I've already paid, is another category. Think about it
Now tell me, is there a game on this planet that was released WITHOUT ANY BUGS AT ALL?! NO! Each game has bugs from the beggining, small or big, but still bugs that could not have been foreseen by the developer. We aren't living in heaven here! Nothing is perfect, and only naive people can believe otherwise.
Worms3D also has bugs, because it's the FIRST 3D WORMS GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! In my opinion, the game itself compensates all of the problems it has...

Migh T
17 Mar 2004, 07:22
It is supposed to be that way. It's not a bug, but a part of the game...
The new patch isn't really a full patch. It's just modified SP1 with new fixes. So you still have ONLY 54MB of patch, no matter what you say....
Now tell me, is there a game on this planet that was released WITHOUT ANY BUGS AT ALL?! NO! Each game has bugs from the beggining, small or big, but still bugs that could not have been foreseen by the developer. We aren't living in heaven here! Nothing is perfect, and only naive people can believe otherwise.
Worms3D also has bugs, because it's the FIRST 3D WORMS GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! In my opinion, the game itself compensates all of the problems it has...
Ok, I think I've ghot some communication problem here.
I won't let you freakin' d**bheads insult me. Only because you're already customized to pay for ****ty products. I don't think, I in the right place here. If anyone of T17 wants to answer my post, please do so. To the rest, fell free to ignore them, I don't think we're communicating on the same level. Perhaps you start off some more discussion about shuting down your computers by pressing red-buttons...
To the jetpack:
You want to tell me (and of course tell me the page in the manual, where it says so), that this is the correct procedure:
1. Select Jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Press backspace
4. Select another weapon and use it
Where is this documented? And if so, why can I do otherwise with every other weapon? Just to eliminate any misunsterstanding:
This is working for me with every weapon, BUT dynamite:
1. Select Jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Select another weapon and use it
With dynamite it looks like this:
1. Select jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Select dynamite and ooops, the worm has a helmet on, dynamite in hand and can do nothing
Yeah, now I see your point. This is absolutely the correct behaviour and it's supposed to be this way. Oh, and now I see the page in the manual, it's page 142. It says special usage of dynamite after usage of jetpacks.
Now, I'm not only pi**ed off by the game (although I just had some more hope, since finally somebody (thanks cowlibob) of T17 was answering), but also pi**ed off by this community. Obviously I'm already too old for Worms...
Regards to cowlibob and none of the rest,
Migh T

Wishmaster
17 Mar 2004, 08:49
Erm i dont know about you, and i dont want to put you down but under collectable utilities on page 15, there is a paragrpah about the jetpack. Part of it reads as follows.
"exceedingly useful if you want to drop a weapon using the backspace key"
This is designed to let you fly off again after using the weapon. Though if you select a weapon that cant be deplyed from the jetpack, the pack is removed.
MOst dropables can be deployed from the pack, including sheep, mines and dynamite.

cowlibob
17 Mar 2004, 10:44
Ok, I think I've ghot some communication problem here.
Yes, I think you're right.
To the jetpack:
You want to tell me (and of course tell me the page in the manual, where it says so), that this is the correct procedure:
1. Select Jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Press backspace
4. Select another weapon and use it
Where is this documented? And if so, why can I do otherwise with every other weapon? Just to eliminate any misunsterstanding:
This is working for me with every weapon, BUT dynamite:
1. Select Jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Select another weapon and use it
With dynamite it looks like this:
1. Select jetpack
2. Fly around
3. Select dynamite and ooops, the worm has a helmet on, dynamite in hand and can do nothing
Yeah, now I see your point. This is absolutely the correct behaviour and it's supposed to be this way. Oh, and now I see the page in the manual, it's page 142. It says special usage of dynamite after usage of jetpacks.
I didn't write any of the weapons, or in -game logic. However, as I understanding, historically, a player has been able to drop certain devices while using the Jetpack. Since the control for the jetpack ascend is also fire, a second control is needed for this special case. It simply isn't a bug, its actually in the design.
Disagreeing with the design is fine. It's something that happens here a lot too. However, it won't be 'fixed' anytime soon.
Now, I'm not only pi**ed off by the game (although I just had some more hope, since finally somebody (thanks cowlibob) of T17 was answering), but also pi**ed off by this community.
Sometimes you just have to shout loud for us to notice; we spend more time working on games than we do moderating forums.
As for your DVD drive, do you have a model number I can pass on to the SecureRom developers?
I'm sorry, but there is no way we can release an unprotected game, even to individuals.
Cowlibob.

Tomahawk
17 Mar 2004, 12:46
ahhh finally!!!
*blows dust off w3d box*

Wishmaster
17 Mar 2004, 13:15
Sometimes you just have to shout loud for us to notice; we spend more time working on games than we do moderating forums.
CAN YOU PLZ TELL US WHATS THE STORY WITH THE LEVEL EDITOR TOOL!!!!
( ;) )

cowlibob
17 Mar 2004, 13:34
CAN YOU PLZ TELL US WHATS THE STORY WITH THE LEVEL EDITOR TOOL!!!!
( ;) )
No, because I'm just a lowly programmer...
There are issues, which are debated (even within the Worms 3D team):
There is no support for loading custom levels.
There is no support for ensuring custom levels across a network are identical.
The editor, while capable, is not thoroughly tested for release.
I suspect also, that there are unwritten / unenforced rules about what the game can handle.
These are not my concerns (I'd like to see the editor in the wild too), but they are real and relevant.
So, AFAIK, the editor is not being released imminently.

Migh T
17 Mar 2004, 13:58
Yes, I think you're right.
I didn't write any of the weapons, or in -game logic. However, as I understanding, historically, a player has been able to drop certain devices while using the Jetpack. Since the control for the jetpack ascend is also fire, a second control is needed for this special case. It simply isn't a bug, its actually in the design.
Disagreeing with the design is fine. It's something that happens here a lot too. However, it won't be 'fixed' anytime soon.
Sometimes you just have to shout loud for us to notice; we spend more time working on games than we do moderating forums.
As for your DVD drive, do you have a model number I can pass on to the SecureRom developers?
I'm sorry, but there is no way we can release an unprotected game, even to individuals.
Cowlibob.
I will send you an exact model description as soon as I'll get home. But as I already described a few month ago in another thread, I actually don't belive it's an incompatibility. Several other games using SecuROM work absolutely fine on my system. I bet, it's the fact, that on my system all removable medias have letters > H: (namely U:, V: and W:) . Myst 3 - Exile also had SecuROM and ended up quite similar as Worms3D, but their first patch simply fixed a problem with drive-letters >H: without removing SecuROM. Perhaps you could simply try this out by remapping your letters. I'd do it on my side, but I had to remove/switch off one of my harddrives to try it. And as I said, I'm not willing to modify my perfectly running system for a game.
I admit I did misunderstand the jetpack thingy. I'm terribly sorry, for mentioning it as a bug. Thanks to the one, who explained it to me calmly. I think, that's a way communication can work out, even over language barriers. I didn't get it right in the german manual translation (which actually reads a bit strange, but nevermind, so does my english, I guess). I certainly don't want to complain nor discuss about strange key assignment (which one could do, as several other threads proof). The missing key-assignment isn't a bug, but certainly a feature only very few games lack. But I don't want to be hit for criticizing the key-assignment.
Toss the jetpack from the list above, leaves another four of the explicitly mentioned ones (excluded the copyprotection problem (which, as I have to repeat for some of the readers, leads to the fact, that some of the legal customer aren't able to play the game at all)).
Again my question, will there be another patch, which fixes any of the remaining problems. Or is there anyone out there, who can sort another one out without a patch and without insulting me (which would be my favored solution)?
Regards,
Migh T

cowlibob
17 Mar 2004, 14:26
I will send you an exact model description as soon as I'll get home. But as I already described a few month ago in another thread, I actually don't belive it's an incompatibility. Several other games using SecuROM work absolutely fine on my system. I bet, it's the fact, that on my system all removable medias have letters > H: (namely U:, V: and W:) . Myst 3 - Exile also had SecuROM and ended up quite similar as Worms3D, but their first patch simply fixed a problem with drive-letters >H: without removing SecuROM. Perhaps you could simply try this out by remapping your letters. I'd do it on my side, but I had to remove/switch off one of my harddrives to try it. And as I said, I'm not willing to modify my perfectly running system for a game.I'll look into this now.
- More than half of the speech is english, although a german version was installed (not a big issue for me, but strange)Thats right, we're british developers, and have few German speakers available to re-record 46 sound banks in german. Then French, Spannish, Polish, Slovak, Czech and Russian. Nor do we have the disc capacity.
- After using the jetpack, I have to switch to another weapon, before I'm able to select dynamite (actually I can select it before, but I end up with a worm wearing a helmet and holding the dynamite, without any possibility to place it)You know about this one.
- Some games (4 humans multiplayer, non-generated maps(e.g.: the practice place with the golf car)) end right after they are started with draw, back to menu, restart, draw, restart draw, then somehow by some chance we can go on playing, weird!Is this under hotseat, LAN or WormNet?
- I can't modify mousesensitivity!!!!! This really bothers me. Why do I have to misconfigure my Windows, when I want to play W3D. Other games can provide this feature, W3D can not!!!No, sorry, this feature (like key mappings) won't be added.
- Falling though girders (somebody already mentioned this on this thread)Not a promise, but it's being looked at by our excellent girder-man now.
Cowlibob.

Tbone
17 Mar 2004, 23:30
Hi there!
Sorry guys, Iīm new to this place. But I am quite amazed at how far this discussion has gone. At the risk of hurting some more peoples brains :) I would like to comment on the shipment of buggy software.
It appears, software companies finally achieved what the were aiming for: a resigning but PAYING customer. Has anybody here read the resent Dilbert strips? Some of you people obviously have mutated to "criminals". For those of you who donīt know, what Iīm talking about, hereīs a summary of the Dilbert comic strip that appeard on March 11th this year: the boss decides to focus on criminals as customers, because they donīt learn from experience. They have a 70% rate of recidivism, in contrast to the companys 10% repeat customer rate (or see for yourself http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20040311.html).
Have you truly resigned? Whatīs this issue about W3D being "the first" Worms 3D? Whatīs that got to do with it? I remember playing games like Max Payne 1 or Hitman 1 without any trouble. What about them being the first? Max Payne was the first Max Payne ever. So was Hitman. And Worms 3D? Whatīs so special about it? Or rather: whereīs the difference? I donīt get it.
Or on the other side: how many Windows OS have there been before Windows XP? I stopped counting some day, please forgive me. However many there were, would anybody here say, that Windows is doing what it was intended to do? Yeah, okay, Iīll grant you the main features...It WILL install from CD in any CD- or DVD-drive. :)
You know what this W3D thing feels like? Like a car, that will start in most peoples garage, but not in yours. Neither do your windshield wipers work. You tell your car dealer about the problem, and he tells you to stop buy so they can fix it. The only downside is: the only road between you and him is a bumpy road, so it will take you hours to get there (compares to me downloading more than 50 MB via an ISDN line with 64 kb/s max; please note the lower case 'b' meaning 'bit'). However, you somehow get there with your new car. But guess what: they canīt fix the engine problem. So you ask a friend to fix it (he knows exactly how to, but now your warranty is void). Some weeks later, your car dealer tells you, they still canīt fix the engine problem (has to do with some theft protection they donīt want to disable, of course youīll understand) but they know how to fix the windshield wipers. Great, can they fix the radio too? Nope.... Well, whatever, back to the bumpy road. Okay, now, be honest: would you keep that bucket of a car?! Well, hell, I wouldnīt. And thatīs why I donīt own a copy of W3D anymore. Yep, I once did, but not anymore. Some ebay-nerd is now having "fun" with it :).
So guys, wake up! Donīt buy any more crap like this one. Thanks to Migh T I still have hope, that someday crap like this canīt be sold anymore. He seems to be on the verge of dumping it, too. Hurry, Team17, another (repeat) customer is getting ready to run!
Sorry Team17, but this was worse than anything MY company ever tried to intentionally sell before debugging was over.
Take care!
P.S.: Before you start flaming me: remember the Netiquette!

CanibalBoB
18 Mar 2004, 00:14
Just fixes the net code. Yeah, at 54 MB, I was half-expecting the editor included, plus all the weapons T17 took out and a lot more customizability... ah well.

Papa Lazru
18 Mar 2004, 02:31
You know what this W3D thing feels like? Like a car, that will start in most peoples garage, but not in yours. Neither do your windshield wipers work. ...etc
Yeah Tbone, I hear you. I think the engine's fallen out of mine...
Bought W3D back in.. er... october? november? it's been so long since I last tried to play it I've forgotten... Basically net play out of the box did not work for this 56k'er and I'm too old and grizzled to play and enjoy single player. (consolesque unlocking of content is just SH*TE, some of us have lives, but just want the occasional bit of fun!)
So service pack one came along, was downloaded, and went... into the same category of discontentment as did the release.
Three months later and yipee we have service pack 2. Great, but now not only can't I finish a round of W3D on the net, but now it fatally errors with an option to email Mr Billy Gates. Brilliant. Now there's progress.
Wish I'd bought it from play.com, then I'd only have wasted Ģ20....
Unimpressed. As in totally.
(but at least they got worms2 right eh)
I've donned my asbestos pants so if the usual flamers want to have a pop, fire away - I don't give a sh*t...
hmmm... maybe these pants of mine are too tight...

Migh T
18 Mar 2004, 07:09
I'll look into this now.
Thats right, we're british developers, and have few German speakers available to re-record 46 sound banks in german. Then French, Spannish, Polish, Slovak, Czech and Russian. Nor do we have the disc capacity.
You know about this one.
Is this under hotseat, LAN or WormNet?
No, sorry, this feature (like key mappings) won't be added.
Not a promise, but it's being looked at by our excellent girder-man now.
Cowlibob.
Back again.
My DVD-ROM is a Toshiba SD-M 1222 (Rev. 1004). Hope this helps.
Jetpack issue:
I again (and this time very carefully) read the german manual. The german manual doesn't mention Backspace at all!!! Neither in the key-table (where the different keys are noted for the three modes) nor in the jetpack section. I forgot my manual at home, but I'll deliver a retranslation of the german jetpack section, so you can see. I really hate to feel as the dumbass, but after the lecture yesterday evening, I no more feel as one, but have one more point to add:
Your german manual is a piece of s**t. Perhaps we should make a deal: Before starting to sell a game in germany, you contact me and send your english manual AND german translation to me, so we can see, if it has anything to do with each other. Or perhaps you let me do the translation? I'd rather work for a nice gaming expirience, than burn my sparetime with something like this.
Draw-game issue:
I seem to have forgot to mention, but I was talking about 4 human players hot-seat mode. I don't want to play online.
Languages:
Why don't you mention this on the packaging??? For me its no problem, but a son of a friend is about 13 and for him it is!!! Disc capacity doesn't count for me in times of DVDs and times where I have to download 110MB of patches.
Keymappings + Mouse sensitivity:
That's a shame!!! :(
I pretty much like TBones comparisons (the Dilbert one as well as the car one). What he forgot to mention is that you did suggest to build a new garage for the car!
Regards,
Migh T

Vader
18 Mar 2004, 08:42
Keymappings + Mouse sensitivity:
That's a shame!!! :(
I must admit, being able to change the mouse sensitivity would be nice, although I'm used to it going at a million mph now. It would have saved a lot of headaches in the early days...as would TCP-IP (damn GameSpy and its turn end validation problems) but I dont suppose that'll be on the way either. Would be nice though *wink wink nudge nudge slip 'im a fiver*

cowlibob
18 Mar 2004, 09:26
as would TCP-IP (damn GameSpy and its turn end validation problems) but I dont suppose that'll be on the way either.
GameSpy powers WormNET for us; i.e. it provides chat and game setup. Any in-game bloop (such as out-of-sync and turn validation errors) are T17's.
Also, the network game does run over TCP/IP, ie reliable. However, TCP does not guarantee timeliness, part of our problem (and hence the lag).

Titler
23 Mar 2004, 23:46
Sometimes you just have to shout loud for us to notice; we spend more time working on games than we do moderating forums.
Cowlibob.
Bring back the Wormlist! WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST! Hosted on each individual machine, just Worm Kills, Worm Deaths etc, like the original Worms. Including online and offline games, just to give a sense of team and individual worm achievement. WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST!

Vader
24 Mar 2004, 03:35
GameSpy powers WormNET for us; i.e. it provides chat and game setup. Any in-game bloop (such as out-of-sync and turn validation errors) are T17's.
Also, the network game does run over TCP/IP, ie reliable. However, TCP does not guarantee timeliness, part of our problem (and hence the lag).
Strange that I never got an email notifying me of this response.
However, I had been told the end of turn validation probelms were due to gamespy. What Im curious about is what causes the extra lag in this version of worms compared to the version prior? I understand there's an extra dimension, but even if this tripled the amount of work being done, there is still a lot of lag between turns, even when playing 1on1.
I can appreciate the fact that it is a problem not only for us, but for you, and I therefore try not to make a big deal out of it, however frustrating it may be.

cowlibob
24 Mar 2004, 10:03
Bring back the Wormlist! WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST! Hosted on each individual machine, just Worm Kills, Worm Deaths etc, like the original Worms. Including online and offline games, just to give a sense of team and individual worm achievement. WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST WORMLIST!
Not for Worms 3D.

cowlibob
24 Mar 2004, 10:15
However, I had been told the end of turn validation probelms were due to gamespy.
Nope, thats all mine ;-)
/realizes blame opportunity
Actually...
What Im curious about is what causes the extra lag in this version of worms compared to the version prior? I understand there's an extra dimension, but even if this tripled the amount of work being done, there is still a lot of lag between turns, even when playing 1on1.
As explained elsewhere on the forum, the lag is there to prevent fast machines from overtaking slow machines.
IMHO, the move to 3D has increased the gap between a slow and a fast machine. Hence the decision to set the 'ideal' lag to between 1 and 2 seconds for LAN and between 5 and 8 seconds for WormNET.

Papa Lazru
24 Mar 2004, 23:07
Blimey. Just finished a round against another player and then managed to host a 2 round game afterwards.
No options to email mr Billy Gates were seen either ;)
The change is that last week I burnt my modem in offering to the great hairy god of internet, and have now got a big and clever 1Mb ADSL wireless connection.
Also the router is handling the firewall, not WindowsXP.
This reinforces my suspicion though that a 56k connection, or rather 46.6k as mine always were, just isn't up to the job with this game... Perhaps it can't transfer all the data before the time-outs kick in?
One thing I'd like to ask Cowlibob if he's still about in this thread - is anything going to be done to address the hideous freezing that happens in the game rooms when people enter and leave? It's impossible to type and also the light bulb turns off again when people enter or leave - if I've flagged that I'm ready then it should stay set unless the host changes settings.
Maybe a 'close door' feature can be added like worms2 had to keep people out? it is very, very frustrating watching half a dozen or so people enter and leave and the game's totally frozen... Obviously if you're playing some mates you can use the password feature, but that doesn't help when you're just looking for a game against anyone.
Shame it's taken 2 service packs, 4 months and a new ADSL connection to get it to work, but at least it does now. Maybe I'll yet come to be as fond of this naughty little scamp as I am of worms2... we'll see... :D

cowlibob
25 Mar 2004, 10:31
Blimey. Just finished a round against another player and then managed to host a 2 round game afterwards.
No options to email mr Billy Gates were seen either ;)
The change is that last week I burnt my modem in offering to the great hairy god of internet, and have now got a big and clever 1Mb ADSL wireless connection.
Also the router is handling the firewall, not WindowsXP.
This reinforces my suspicion though that a 56k connection, or rather 46.6k as mine always were, just isn't up to the job with this game... Perhaps it can't transfer all the data before the time-outs kick in?
One thing I'd like to ask Cowlibob if he's still about in this thread - is anything going to be done to address the hideous freezing that happens in the game rooms when people enter and leave? It's impossible to type and also the light bulb turns off again when people enter or leave - if I've flagged that I'm ready then it should stay set unless the host changes settings.
Maybe a 'close door' feature can be added like worms2 had to keep people out? it is very, very frustrating watching half a dozen or so people enter and leave and the game's totally frozen... Obviously if you're playing some mates you can use the password feature, but that doesn't help when you're just looking for a game against anyone.
Shame it's taken 2 service packs, 4 months and a new ADSL connection to get it to work, but at least it does now. Maybe I'll yet come to be as fond of this naughty little scamp as I am of worms2... we'll see... :D
Welcome to the phat pipe club :)
How long does this freeze last for you (momentary blip, or spectrum-game-loading-screen)?
Also, have you seen the same problem on both LAN and WormNET, or just WormNET?
A room lock is unlikely for this release, but I'll look into it.

Papa Lazru
26 Mar 2004, 01:04
Welcome to the phat pipe club :)
How long does this freeze last for you (momentary blip, or spectrum-game-loading-screen)?
Also, have you seen the same problem on both LAN and WormNET, or just WormNET?
A room lock is unlikely for this release, but I'll look into it.
[nostalgia mode]
hmmm... the screen to 'atic atac', 'manic miner' or durrell's 'lotus esprit'? (three of my fave 'original' speccy games - it was oh so much easier 20 years ago! oh, apart from fine tuning the volume/tone/balance/azimuth on the cassette player, then waiting 10 minutes over a hot mug of tea, only to get an "R TAPE LOADING ERROR, 0:1" message of course, ah them were the days, LOL!)
[/nostalgia mode]
Seriously, it was a delay of several seconds per entry and exit - but coincidentally (or not) my wireless PCI card has died on it's ar$e this morning so I've ripped it out, (burnt it) relocated the router and hard-wired my pc to it via LAN. The pauses could have been due to the connection faltering I guess, or maybe the servers were just busy? maybe the people connecting were narrow band? I dunno... anyone else seen this?
I'm afraid I can't try a LAN game to test it, but the delays were not on the spectrum scale tonight.
Maybe a close door wouldn't be bad anyway tho'... but perhaps it's more pertinent to ask what the game rules are for resetting the light bulbs? Do they need to reset with people entering or leaving the room, or should this only happen if the host alters the game options?
Well... another 3 more successfully completed games. except for the 3 i lost. blame it on the guinesseseses.
Broadband seems to have done the trick alright!
Anyways cowlibob, fair do's to ya for replying and so fast, I only wish my employer would let me talk to the users of the software I work on, but like most of them they're running scared from forums these days... bah...
I'll follow up if the freezing happens again... have a great week-end!
Sharp as a tack as I am (cough) - you said 'this release'... so there's a SP3 on the way? ;) Or did you just mean w3d? (whaat? just askin'!)

cowlibob
26 Mar 2004, 09:24
Seriously, it was a delay of several seconds per entry and exit - but coincidentally (or not) my wireless PCI card has died on it's ar$e this morning so I've ripped it out, (burnt it) relocated the router and hard-wired my pc to it via LAN. The pauses could have been due to the connection faltering I guess, or maybe the servers were just busy? maybe the people connecting were narrow band? I dunno... anyone else seen this?
I'm afraid I can't try a LAN game to test it, but the delays were not on the spectrum scale tonight.
If there's a delay for you, it's client side, either in the GameSpy library code, or in my handling of the situation. All networking with the server should be non-blocking, execpt one, and that's the login process.
Maybe a close door wouldn't be bad anyway tho'... but perhaps it's more pertinent to ask what the game rules are for resetting the light bulbs? Do they need to reset with people entering or leaving the room, or should this only happen if the host alters the game options?
The Light Bulbs will go out whenever a change to the game is made; i.e. a team or player is added or removed, a game or weapon setting changed.
Well... another 3 more successfully completed games. except for the 3 i lost. blame it on the guinesseseses.
Broadband seems to have done the trick alright!
Looks like we need more thorough network traffic profiling in future.
Sharp as a tack as I am (cough) - you said 'this release'... so there's a SP3 on the way? ;) Or did you just mean w3d? (whaat? just askin'!)
Hmm, did I let that slip ? :D
The patch saga is predicted to end on Patch 3. After that, I'm being drafted in to break the next game.
:)
Don't worry, I'll be listening in, and any fatal errors on my part will probably get fixed. It just won't be my full-time job.

Shorts
30 Mar 2004, 21:16
hello, cowlibob. i just bought/installed the US version, after much anticipation, being that you UK folks got first crack at it.
but there's a problem- upon loading, the acclaim logo plays fine, then everything subsequently stutters horribly. kind of a progressive looped stutter, the sound at least..like a small snippet of sound plays over and over, every time progessing a bit further. the video in menu screens and actual gameplay chunk along at sub 1fps levels. yes, i paitently navigated menus to try the actual gameplay, hoping it was only the menu screens that were off, but to no avail.
i have a vague recolection of the worms blast menus doing the same thing, but i can't be sure, having played just the demo of that whenever it was released.
anywho, i've tried anything i can think of to get it to work, all my drivers are always up to date, i tried notching down/disabling sound acceleration, disabling/connecting gameports as i saw in a somewhat similar post on the forums, etc. no dice. :(
i attatched a dxdiag and can send whatever you guys need, if you need it, i couldn't find much in the way of error reporting options on the site.
Win98Se
Asus a7v w/AMD Athlon 1.3
640Mb pc133
Radeon 8500 64Mb
SB Live!
Samsung CD-RW/DVD combo
any help i could get would be much appreciated. Cheers

Migh T
31 Mar 2004, 07:31
I'll look into this now.
Thats right, we're british developers, and have few German speakers available to re-record 46 sound banks in german. Then French, Spannish, Polish, Slovak, Czech and Russian. Nor do we have the disc capacity.
You know about this one.
Is this under hotseat, LAN or WormNet?
No, sorry, this feature (like key mappings) won't be added.
Not a promise, but it's being looked at by our excellent girder-man now.
Cowlibob.
Hello???
Not quite sure, but this forum seems a bit quite. Cowlibob, you said, you wanted to have a look at the copy-protection issue. Did you? Meanwhile the illegal front got up to date, again gcw gives me the possibility to play W3D in it's latest incarnation (SP2) and you still do not!!! :( Shall I pay gcw next time?
I really don't get it.
Also you talked about a compatibility list (for CD/DVD-drives). How about printing such a list on the outside of your packaging? So I can plan and burn my money willingly. I don't like it, if people earn, when I'm wasting money. Also you haven't told me, if my DVD-ROM was on your secret-list.
Perhaps it's time to gather users and think about legal actions. This seems the way modern companies want to communicate with their customers.
Again I'm leaving pi**ed, disillusioned and frustrated,
Migh T

cowlibob
31 Mar 2004, 10:54
Hello???
Not quite sure, but this forum seems a bit quite. Cowlibob, you said, you wanted to have a look at the copy-protection issue. Did you? Meanwhile the illegal front got up to date, again gcw gives me the possibility to play W3D in it's latest incarnation (SP2) and you still do not!!! :( Shall I pay gcw next time?
I really don't get it.
Migh T, I've told you before, we won't be releaseing a crack for our own product.
Also you talked about a compatibility list (for CD/DVD-drives). How about printing such a list on the outside of your packaging? So I can plan and burn my money willingly. I don't like it, if people earn, when I'm wasting money. Also you haven't told me, if my DVD-ROM was on your secret-list.
I've attatched a portion of the SecureRom compatability list, which shows your drive highlighted.
There is no technical reason why a drive letter would prevent Worms 3D from running. I've tried remapping my CD drive to leters h, r and x each work fine with my disk.
SecureRom compatability list (extract) (http://www.cowlibob.co.uk/securerom/toshiba.html)
Perhaps it's time to gather users and think about legal actions.
I don't see that you'd get very far unless you can show you'd taken resonable action to resolve the problem. If there were many others with the same problem, then I could understand it.
This seems the way modern companies want to communicate with their customers.
Again I'm leaving pi**ed, disillusioned and frustrated,
Migh T
Right. You get wound up, and I'll try to actually solve the problem.
You have mentioned that other secureRom games work on your machine. Is that in it's present state? Can you give me some game titles, so we can compare SecureRom versions?
Yours patiently,
cowlibob.
Double Post Edit:
Shorts, There are two angles of attack for this.
1. The game uses OpenGL; check your OpenGL performance in other apps. There is a benchmark available at http://themasmo.interfree.it/MasmoBench.html
If you get similar results, check your OpenGL implementation.
2. Previously, there were problems reported about an installed video codec slowing stuff down (Worms blast included). I don't have much info on this, but I've been told the problem was 'something like vobsub codec' or nimo codec.
If you have some divx / dvd style codecs installed, try removing or updating them.
I'll try and find out exactly what it was...
Good luck, and let me know the outcome.

Migh T
1 Apr 2004, 06:36
Migh T, I've told you before, we won't be releaseing a crack for our own product.
I don't want a crack! I've told you before, too. All I want is a working product for my money.
That's actually the reason, we're still discussing here, to give you the chance to keep me as a customer for one of your next products (but perhaps you don't want to have customers speaking out clearly).
I've attatched a portion of the SecureRom compatability list, which shows your drive highlighted.
There is no technical reason why a drive letter would prevent Worms 3D from running. I've tried remapping my CD drive to leters h, r and x each work fine with my disk.
Thanks for the list. It really would have been nice, to see it BEFORE wasting money!
Honestly, do you do a webresearch before buying a game, figuring out, which copy-protection is at work, look for its company's website, search for a compatibility list? Wouldn't it be nice to your customers to write something like: "We protect our IP with CP-xyz, which leads to probhlems with drives a,b c and d and mainboards e, f, g...."
I think, it would be nice! Of course you wouldn't get money from people with those products, which is probably the reason you don't do it.
Are you at least presenting the list on the W3D-site, now? I haven't seen it, yet. But on the other hand I'm not searching the entire site every day.
And honestly, do you buy new hardware all the time a game doesn't work for you?
I don't see that you'd get very far unless you can show you'd taken resonable action to resolve the problem. If there were many others with the same problem, then I could understand it.
I know I wouldn't get anywhere. And so do you (and other companies). That is (at least one of) the problem(s)!!!
Company: Making money.
Customer: Allowed to spend money to company and stuck with what he's got. When complaining: Allowed to spend even more money to feel a little better.
Forgive my sarcasm, but I'm a bit sad, I held out so long and won't have any chance to get my money back from the dealer, now (what would have been the adequate action from my side in my situation, but I was too eager to play this game).
There're not many markets, where you can sell incomplete products (and don't tell me you didn't, since there are two patches out now).
You have mentioned that other secureRom games work on your machine. Is that in it's present state? Can you give me some game titles, so we can compare SecureRom versions?
Sure, I'll also check copyprotections of all my games. Just give me a day or two. The last I knew of, was "Myst3: Exile", but that's probably too old. But that certainly had a bug with letters later H:. If that's no problem for your protection. Fine for you, but not for me.
Will get back to you with more informations on games and protections, which work on my system.
Thanks, for your patience,
Migh T

Wishmaster
1 Apr 2004, 10:47
Hey MighT I havent read your whole post, but as for the securerom thing. I wouldnt say it was team17s fault that the securerom feature wasnt compatable with your drive. AFAIK i think team17 didnt make the securrom thing. Or your disc drive. Isnt that an issue you should take up with them?
And thats why they probably wont be putting up a list form securerom of the drvies it does not work with. Hey i wouldnt be happy if a game didnt work with my computer, but im not goign to have a fit at the company who created the game because the antipiracy measures arent supported by your drive.

Migh T
1 Apr 2004, 16:01
Hey MighT I havent read your whole post, but as for the securerom thing. I wouldnt say it was team17s fault that the securerom feature wasnt compatable with your drive. AFAIK i think team17 didnt make the securrom thing. Or your disc drive. Isnt that an issue you should take up with them?
And thats why they probably wont be putting up a list form securerom of the drvies it does not work with. Hey i wouldnt be happy if a game didnt work with my computer, but im not goign to have a fit at the company who created the game because the antipiracy measures arent supported by your drive.
I'm not quite sure, what you want to tell me. I think, I address the company who created the product, I bought. Whom do you want me to address? The pirates, because they are the source of anti-piracy measures?
Karstadt (the shop, I bought the game in), because they sold bull**** to me. Perhaps, but as I said, I was waiting too long for this option and also I'm quite sure, they would've installed the game, started it and told me: "See it's working, it must be your own fault.". I could've addressed Sega, perhaps. But there're two reasons, I didn't:
- When entering "www.worms3d.com" in my browser, I see a site, which is advertising for the game, supplying patches for it and seems to be the site of the developers of the game (which is the product, I bought and the product, I've problems with. Remember I didn't buy a copyprotection in the first place. At least I didn't intend to.). I think, quite a good address for problems with the game.
- I'm unsure about this, but being a programmer myself, I think, I've at least an idea, how copy-protections are build into a game. I'm quite sure, Sega can't do this, after the game is done without any assistance from the development team (which I think to address here). I guess, one buys code from SecuROM (or how the company is called) and works this code into his own code, one wants to protect. Simply attaching won't do, since you want it to be at least safe for five minutes. This needs insight into the code you want to protect. Conclusion: Worms3D's copyprotection wasn't only, but also done by T17's development team. Thus I address it here.
To get back to TBones comparison, let's assume:
You buy a car, let's say, from Ferrari. Driving along the highway your steering breaks and you drive against a tree. Who do you address (assuming furthermore, that you're still alive), when asking for compensation? Ferrari or the ones who constructed all parts of the steering. I'd say, I'd address Ferrari and they can address their suppliers themselves. I don't think, that anybody would ask you, to do a research, who built all the parts of the steering.
If you still don't see my point, perhaps you can try to make yours clear to me. Perhaps you can make me understand, why I paid money for this game.
Perplexed,
Migh T

cowlibob
1 Apr 2004, 16:16
It works like this:
You're right to come to us with a problem about Worms 3D.
We'll find out if it's a known problem with a known fix.
If not, we try to repeat the problem and find a fix.
If we can't repeat the problem, we think things through and try to suggest a fix.
If it's poissible its a third party problem, we check if its known, etc...
Your problem was unknown to us, we can't repeat it, it doesn't appear to be a known third party problem, according to the literature.
We can think of no software solution (our domain) that will help you.
You need to think how you want to tackle this;
swap your dirve,(try logically or physically) and try to correct the problem yourself.
try to get a refund at the vendor
It depends if you actually want to play, or would rather your money back.
Contact me by email if your vendor won't refund you, and the CD drive swap has'nt worked.
On a side-note; SecureRom is a third-party solution. We build the product and use an online tool which uploads the exe, protects it and downloads it. The application is then keyed to the CD. I personally, don't know how they check for the CD, or protect the app otherwise.

Luther
1 Apr 2004, 17:29
Thanks for the list. It really would have been nice, to see it BEFORE wasting money!
I think you'd better calm down and reread Cowlibob's posts. He kindly posted the list extract to show you that your drive IS compatible with the copy protection. If you had seen the list before buying W3D you would have simply been encouraged. The document that we get is a massive list of drives that have been checked and certified as working. You'd be hard pressed to find a modern drive that isn't on the list.
The game works for the huge majority of people. Most problems come down to user error in the end. Mistakes are made by us too, but we do our best to fix them. We appreciate customers giving us accurate, honest feedback.

Shorts
2 Apr 2004, 00:25
cowlibob,
i had xvid and divx codecs installed but i had uninstalled them in the process of trying to get the game to work, having read about similar problems with other games. i have Cyberlink PowerDVD installed on my system, i dunno if that has codecs that are installed with it or not. in my Control Panel/Multimedia list of audio/video codecs installed, i couldn't find either of the ones you mentioned, or anything else that stuck out.
also, there's no problem with my OpenGL, i play 3 or more hours of SoF2 a night, which uses the OpenGL Q3 engine, and i ran the benchmark just to make extra sure. 711 :( i can't wait for PCI express mobo's and parts to come out so i can get to building a new system!
so, again i'm about out of ideas. i'd think it's a sound related problem, if it's true the sound initiliazes after the first logo. i also read somewhere on the forum that someone with the same soundcard installed the original sound drivers that came on the CD with the card and it worked. i haven't tried that yet, but will if i have time tonight.
if you can get the names of those suspect codecs or have anymore insight, let me know, i don't want to add this to Silent Hill 3 and Morrowind in my stack of games to play on my next computer. :D

cowlibob
2 Apr 2004, 09:15
cowlibob,
i had xvid and divx codecs installed but i had uninstalled them in the process of trying to get the game to work, having read about similar problems with other games. i have Cyberlink PowerDVD installed on my system, i dunno if that has codecs that are installed with it or not. in my Control Panel/Multimedia list of audio/video codecs installed, i couldn't find either of the ones you mentioned, or anything else that stuck out.
I've been told that a recent release of the DirectVobSub codec fixes the problem.
also, there's no problem with my OpenGL, i play 3 or more hours of SoF2 a night, which uses the OpenGL Q3 engine, and i ran the benchmark just to make extra sure. 711 :( i can't wait for PCI express mobo's and parts to come out so i can get to building a new system!
Fair enough, was worth a try.
so, again i'm about out of ideas. i'd think it's a sound related problem, if it's true the sound initiliazes after the first logo. i also read somewhere on the forum that someone with the same soundcard installed the original sound drivers that came on the CD with the card and it worked. i haven't tried that yet, but will if i have time tonight.
Good luck with that; let me know how it goes.

Migh T
3 Apr 2004, 08:13
I think you'd better calm down and reread Cowlibob's posts. He kindly posted the list extract to show you that your drive IS compatible with the copy protection. If you had seen the list before buying W3D you would have simply been encouraged. The document that we get is a massive list of drives that have been checked and certified as working. You'd be hard pressed to find a modern drive that isn't on the list.
The game works for the huge majority of people. Most problems come down to user error in the end. Mistakes are made by us too, but we do our best to fix them. We appreciate customers giving us accurate, honest feedback.
Oooops, terribly sorry. I've to admit, I wasn't thouroughly reading the post, nor the list. Cowlibob told me before, he had a list of incompatible drives and thought, this was the list, he was speaking of. And that is the list (the INcompatibility list), I wanted to see on the packaging (it also should be a lot shorter, I hope).
Cowlibob:
Please, excuse me.
You gave me two options. I think, I'll stick to the third (see below), as changing my hardware for a game is no option (as I said before and wouldn't make any difference as your list shows) and changing driveletters is no option either (would mean to either remove primary partitions or use a different OS). Also I won't have a chance at my vendor, since I opened the packaging (and date of purchase is by now over three month ago), I had to prove him, it doesn't work, this means, I had to transfer my system to the dealer. No way!!!
Thanks for pointing out the SecuROM-procedure. Now, I finally understand, why cracking of copy-protections seems to be so easy (considering the speed, such patches get released).
Since I don't see, I get anywhere here, I won't put anymore time in investigation of this problem (or into writing posts to your forum). Here's a list of games, I successfully installed and played on my system (without a need of NoCD-patches or whatsoever, most of them worked out of the box (I know there official patches for most of them, but except for Mafia, I didn't need anyone of them)), please excuse, that I won't invest the time, to find out which protection, which one uses:
Mafia
Max Payne
Neverwinter Nights
Need for Speed - Underground
No One Lives Forever 2
Silent Hill 3
Splinter Cell (including AddOn)
Uru - Ages beyond Myst (also quite buggy, but at least offline playable)
And some more, which are certainly too old to be of any interest (like Monkey Island3+4 or Grim Fandango).
I realize, I forgot to (re-)translate the german manual, so only to show, that I it wasn't only my own fault with the jetpack (Luther sometimes it's not a user error, but a failure to document a feature):
All page numbers refer to the german manual:
On page 5 there's an overview of key-mappings, there's no backspace mentioned at all (you can verify 5yourself, since backspace is called backspace in german, too (at least most of the time, but you can believe me, there's no alternate description given on this page)), for none of the three modes.
Page 6 explains basic moves, noting that there might be special moves with certain weapons, which were explained in Wormapedia. Wormapedia mentions "Jump"-key with the jetpack to use nearly all weapons with it. For me the worm jumps, when using "Jump"-key ("return") with the jetpack.
Page 11, section "Weapon usage" mentions wormapedia and the tutorial to learn more about weapons.
Well, I played the tutorial, but didn't learn anything about backspace as an alternate fire-button.
Page 15 finally has a (pretty informative) paragraph about the jetpack, here comes my translation:
"Use the turn-keys to steer the movement of the jetpack and use fire to start the engine. This is especially usefull to reach remote places and extremely usefull to deploy dynamite on groups of enemy worms. Take part in Spcae-Age. Get your jetpack, now!"
That's all regarding the jetpack. Now I did interpret the dynamite-part on page 15 as: "Fly over, use dynamite", since there was no other key mentioned. I don't want to warm this up again, I simply wanted to deliver a reason for me not knowing anything about an alternate key to uise with the jetpack.
Luther:
Thanks, for pointing out user errors, again. I already knew, I'm full of them. But actually, I don't want to calm down anymore (remember, it's about three month ago, I spent my money). Actually I think, I'm done. I'll stick to playing the game with an illegal patch and write a letter of gratitude to the guys of gcw (who made it possible to get at least something for the money).
Now I'm out of here. You don't have to bother about an aroused customer, anymore. Also you can stop investigating this problem (I don't need it anymore), since it's only me, who's having this problem (what I doubt, when scanning the other forums). The kiddies in this forum can return to there ideal world (where it is normal to spend money for erraneous products). And I'll forget about the money I spent and turn to another game, which hopefully works out of the box, giving me a pleasent spare-time, without the need to download huge patches, without the need to plea for bugfixes and without the need to explain, why it's not nice to be forced to crack a game, I bought.
Good bye from a lost customer,
Migh T

cowlibob
5 Apr 2004, 09:30
Mafia
Max Payne
Neverwinter Nights
Need for Speed - Underground
No One Lives Forever 2
Silent Hill 3
Splinter Cell (including AddOn)
Uru - Ages beyond Myst (also quite buggy, but at least offline playable)
I'll try to find out if any use the SecuRom system.
Page 15 finally has a (pretty informative) paragraph about the jetpack, here comes my translation:
"Use the turn-keys to steer the movement of the jetpack and use fire to start the engine. This is especially usefull to reach remote places and extremely usefull to deploy dynamite on groups of enemy worms. Take part in Spcae-Age. Get your jetpack, now!"
The english manual has:
"JET PACK
Use the rotational keys to control the direction of the Jet Pack travel, and the fire key to fire the Jet Pack thrusters. Particularly useful for reaching distant locations and exceedingly useful if you want to drop a weapon using the backspace key onto enemy worms. Joiun the Space Age... Get the Jet Pack!"
So, you can see that the punctiation may not be top-notch, but weapons and backspace are mentioned.
If we don't have native speakers at Team17, or it's long text, we send it to the publisher for translation. I'm not aware if they use professional translators or employees.
So the german translation is wrong, I'll get this flagged up with our producer.

iNCQRiT
1 May 2004, 10:52
I like those stories about car comparision, although it looks in this thread as if there has been little work done by creating W3D. It's modelling is done very nice, and everything is fun and colorful.
The problem is, on one of my 2 pcs the sound is real bad after the new service pack. The sound stutters, stops, and the volume of it is very varyable. Before I installed service pack 2 I had no problem and the demo worked also (I have not tried service pack 1). It sort of looks like it tries to use EAX, which is not available on the sound card. The game itself plays a bit slow too, but playable.
The specs:
AMD 2100+
512MB ram
40GB Hard disk
Avanche Sound card (onboard)
GeForce titanium 4200
The strange thing is, on the other pc, it plays perfectly.
The specs:
AMD2200+
512MB ram
40GB Hard Disk
Sound blaster Audigy (with EAX)
GeForce titanium 4600
It is not really a problem, because I rather play hotseat, as there is no delay between turns. But there might be more people with the same problem.
I would love some more configuration options.
Regards

elyhenry
30 Jan 2005, 03:38
i just downloaded a patch for worms 3d but it said for europe and australia...i live in canada now my computer wont recognize the game what do i do?
:(

Cyclaws
30 Jan 2005, 03:49
i just downloaded a patch for worms 3d but it said for europe and australia...i live in canada now my computer wont recognize the game what do i do?
:(
Please don't post in threads that have been dead for so long. Check the date of the last post before posting. However, the damage has already been done, so I may as well help you. You'll have to completly uninstall the game, then reinstall it. DO NOT APPLY THE PATCH AGAIN! The Canadian/American version is already patched.

RiZLAUK
8 Aug 2009, 18:37
Please don't post in threads that have been dead for so long.Well, this is still the place to discuss the service pack, according to the official patch download page.
http://www.worms3d.com/support.html?area=patc
I came here to let you know that ALL of the mirrors are down for the SP2.
The patch is available at Gamershell, but not at the location the mirror links to.
Try here instead: http://www.gamershell.com/download_4259.shtml

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