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Muzer
1 Aug 2006, 17:57
You can break the tables easily
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I remember before it used to put spaces every 50 chars so it didn't

Paul.Power
1 Aug 2006, 18:33
That spelling error made me think of the highway code and stopping distance tables...

MtlAngelus
1 Aug 2006, 18:35
Well, in Opera it looks fine. MWAHAHA.

Muzer
1 Aug 2006, 18:37
FireFox doesn't

Plasma
1 Aug 2006, 18:48
It's fine in IE too.
I'm seeing more and more reasons to switch back to IE. In fact, I'm only using Firefox because I set it to have a nicer browser look.

shadowman
1 Aug 2006, 18:49
Im using firefox, and IE to compare.
On firefox, it stretches the page annyingly
On IE it looks like columns of dealies.

pilot62
1 Aug 2006, 19:09
Yea, doesn't work in Opera.
I'm suprised, because opera 9's rendering hasn't impressed me.It's fine in IE too.
I'm seeing more and more reasons to switch back to IE. In fact, I'm only using Firefox because I set it to have a nicer browser look.
Reasons to switch back to IE? But IE's terrible compared to firefox and opera! If you don't like firefox, try opera.
www.opera.com
Or you could try the IE7 beta, but that's not brilliant either.

Cyclaws
1 Aug 2006, 20:37
Or you could try the IE7 beta, but that's not brilliant either.
It's amazingly crap.

Muzer
1 Aug 2006, 20:40
I heard someone had IEbeta7 and it randomly swapped all the images round on certain pages.

Plasma
1 Aug 2006, 20:58
Reasons to switch back to IE? But IE's terrible compared to firefox and opera!
I play a lot of Flash and Shockwave games. Flash games run smoother in IE, and Firefox is terrible at running Shockwave games.
If you don't like firefox, try opera.
www.opera.com
I have it, but I couldn't get used to it.

shadowman
1 Aug 2006, 21:03
I have IE7, and have had no problems with it, as far as IE goes.

Kelster23
1 Aug 2006, 21:05
I have the IE and FF. FF is a little slow at loading icons on this page... but maybe it's just my overfull computer... well not overfull, just lots of memory used up.

pilot62
1 Aug 2006, 21:09
I still can't get my head around people wanting to go BACK to IE.
[IE7 beta]'s amazingly crap.
Well yes, compared to FF or Opera, but not compared to IE6.
I play a lot of Flash and Shockwave games. Flash games run smoother in IE, and Firefox is terrible at running Shockwave games.Ah yes, that's true. Opera can't load all flash or shockwave games either; but that's why I have a 'Run page in IE' button on my interface.

Plasma
1 Aug 2006, 21:40
I still can't get my head around people wanting to go BACK to IE.
Because I think the main reason I think many of the people who are truly confident that IE is terrible , such as you, think so is simply because they have a grudge against IE or Microsoft.
Your post seems to clarify that.

Star Worms
1 Aug 2006, 23:15
It breaks on IE and Firefox. Doesn't on Opera though.

Plasma
1 Aug 2006, 23:23
It breaks on IE and Firefox. Doesn't on Opera though.
It doesn't break on IE6.

pilot62
1 Aug 2006, 23:32
Because I think the main reason I think many of the people who are truly confident that IE is terrible , such as you, think so is simply because they have a grudge against IE or Microsoft.
Your post seems to clarify that.
Not really. IE is a cock-up of a browser, whether or not you dislike Microsoft. I used IE for years, but whenever I have to use it again these days, having become used to Opera, it's striking how simple it is.
It has no tabs, no fit to width, no personal bar, no wand, no trash can no auto fill, no RSS feeds, no inbuilt mail client, no widgets, if it hangs you can't open from last time, no transfer page, it's slower, etc.
About the only thing it has going for it is that it does flash well (which is largely because flash dislikes other browsers) and a lot of MS sites, like hotmail, hate all other browsers.

Plutonic
1 Aug 2006, 23:49
IE7, as far as I can tell is ALOT worce than IE6 was.
In beta 2, about a quarter of all text typed in it didnt register.
I've now installed beta 3 and while I havent tested to see if they have fixed that, i'm still far too annoyed at the automatic anti-alias and that crtl-mouse wheel now scales the page rather than changing font size to switch away from FF, which works alot better than v1.0 did at least.

Pigbuster
2 Aug 2006, 02:22
It doesn't break on Safari.

AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 11:59
Opera has a feature designed to stop this, even if it's done with big wide images. In the meantime, you could always tell me when you see a table-breaking post and I can do something about it.

Preasure
2 Aug 2006, 12:08
I've got no problem with IE. It lets me see web pages, therefore it's fine for me.
Looks fine to me, whether that's because AT just did something, I don't know. ;)

Plasma
2 Aug 2006, 12:10
Looks fine to me, whether that's because AT just did something, I don't know. ;)
I get ignored quite often here, dont I?

AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 14:18
I've got no problem with IE. It lets me see web pages, therefore it's fine for me.
Looks fine to me, whether that's because AT just did something, I don't know. ;)
If I did, it would be tagged with "last edited by".
I assume it's because it's all hyphens -- the whole point of hyphens is not to produce one long line of text.

Muzer
2 Aug 2006, 14:41
I'll try it with a's, see if it's any different
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EDIT: Wow! It puts spaces in a's! I wondered where that feature had gone!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa
OK, that's a bug that needs fixing. Phear teh hyphens!
I'll try other non-letter charecters:
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___
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AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 15:59
What did you change to make that post break? It looks like it's added all the spaces it should need.

Muzer
2 Aug 2006, 17:28
Now that is strange! I was viewing that last one in M firefox and twas fine, but now I've switched to opera and it's broke!! :eek:

Plasma
2 Aug 2006, 17:32
Now that is strange! I was viewing that last one in M firefox and twas fine, but now I've switched to opera and it's broke!! :eek:
Yes.
And IE6 continues to be perfect!

Pigbuster
2 Aug 2006, 18:00
And IE6 continues to be perfect!
Does it have tabs?
If not, then it isn't perfect.

AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 18:26
Oh let's not start this. We don't need another browser war. We all know that IE is rubbish without arguing about it, and Plasma knows it too. I don't know if he's just saying it because he knows it will get a rise out of someone or if he's simply stating that IE shows this page without broken tables, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's not trolling. But let's not have another thread about which browser is the best.

Muzer
2 Aug 2006, 18:55
Just to recap:
Firefox:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: breaks
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Opera:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: breaks
Opera - with "fit page to width of window" turned on:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Novelty oversized images: Does not break
Explicitly asked to break: Does not break
IE6:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Safari:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break

AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 19:04
Opera:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: breaks
It's worth pointing out:
Opera - with "fit page to width of window" turned on:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Novelty oversized images: Does not break
Explicitly asked to break: Does not break
All browsers should have that feature. Seriously.

SupSuper
2 Aug 2006, 20:00
All browsers should have that feature. Seriously.Indeed. My main use for it is dA.
Anyways, IE does suck. Not because it lacks features, that's a moot point, since most other browsers came after IE/NN, so obviously they should be better than it.
The main flaw is SECURITY. Have you ever gotten ANY spyware without using IE? Even when Microsoft tried to reinforce its security by adding the popup blocker and other such, every single new spyware has no trouble editing the popup blocker so it'll keep on showing the ads. Does that happen on any other browser? DOES IT?!?
Or if you wanna see when IE doesn't display things properly when it SHOULD because that's every browser's job, here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

Star Worms
2 Aug 2006, 20:31
I don't use IE6 because:
No tabs
Bad security/more viruses target IE6
Several other features missing - there are no extensions to download
No built in popup blocker or search engine
I don't use IE7beta because:
Ugly antialised text
It is ugly
The tabs are huge
No extensions
Where the hell did the File, Edit, View etc go?
Even with tabs, if I have loads open I have to scroll across to find the right one
I don't use Opera because:
No extensions
Firefox is the only one where I can quickly access my email. A thing pops up in the corner when I get one, there are several other useful extensions such as adblock. Firefox is much safer than IE, it tends to display websites more correctly than both IE and Opera. I can also add search engines to the search box. Firefox (and Opera) are far more customisable than IE.

AndrewTaylor
2 Aug 2006, 20:36
Where the hell did the File, Edit, View etc go?
Now in fairness you can't advocate Firefox on the grounds that it has extentions and deride IE7 because you haven't found the option to turn the menu bar on yet. There are many good reasons to deride it, but that's not one.
Opera has an email client built in, too. I've not used it, so I can't say if it's any good, because I use GMail, but there definitely is one.

Shockdude
2 Aug 2006, 20:52
yahoo toolbar adds a tab function to IE
but i don't use it because it's :p

Pigbuster
2 Aug 2006, 21:08
Just to recap:
Firefox:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: breaks
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Opera:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: breaks
Opera - with "fit page to width of window" turned on:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Novelty oversized images: Does not break
Explicitly asked to break: Does not break
IE6:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break
Safari:
Breaking with hyphens on T17: Does not break
Breaking with other chars on T17: Does not break

SupSuper
2 Aug 2006, 21:36
Now in fairness you can't advocate Firefox on the grounds that it has extentions and deride IE7 because you haven't found the option to turn the menu bar on yet. There are many good reasons to deride it, but that's not one.
Opera has an email client built in, too. I've not used it, so I can't say if it's any good, because I use GMail, but there definitely is one.Yeah, I've used it, and it's good.
Personally, I prefer Opera over Firefox because Opera is much more compact. Plus plugins isn't really a "selling point" for me. I'd rather have something that already comes with all the features I want, rather than have something barebone for which I have to get plugins for any extra feature I want. And Opera already comes with all the features I could ever want. And it has nicer newsfeed support than Firefox, and I use newsfeeds A LOT.

Cyclaws
2 Aug 2006, 21:45
I don't use IE6 because:
Several other features missing - there are no extensions to download
They're not as good as Firefox's extentions, but IE does have them. They're called add-ons, and can be found here (http://windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctId=63).

evilworm2
2 Aug 2006, 22:34
Take the ACID2 test (http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html) to ensure proper support for web standards in your browser.

pilot62
2 Aug 2006, 23:06
Terrible on IE7, almost exact on Opera.
In my opinion, the absolute worst thing about IE7 is that blurry text.
It's worth mentioning there are a few third party plug-ins for Opera. I've never got one to work but hey, they're there. Almost everything you're ever going to need is there without add ons in Opera, even things like voice control, in my opinions huge amounts of extensions are a bit pointless.

Muzer
3 Aug 2006, 11:33
Opera does have extentions of sorts; they're called user javascript and were introduced in opera 8, and improved upon in opera 8.01

wormthingy
3 Aug 2006, 19:25
It doesn't break on Safari.
yay! another mac user!

SupSuper
4 Aug 2006, 12:11
Opera does have extentions of sorts; they're called user javascript and were introduced in opera 8, and improved upon in opera 8.01Do you mean the widgets, introduced in opera 9? Or something else I'm not aware of?

Muzer
4 Aug 2006, 12:43
No. I mean user javascript. Go to www.userjs.org for more info.

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