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McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 20:13
The background doesn't matter much right now anyway- the worms do.
Pigbuster told me to add backgrounds, not plain worm sketches. ;)
Edit: Also comments on the worm?

.JeT
13 Jul 2008, 20:15
The shading could do better. I'd give an example but I'm a rather lazy bast.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 20:20
The shading could do better. I'd give an example but I'm a rather lazy bast.
Give it now. :mad: (before I edit the picshure to edit and the shading too)

.JeT
13 Jul 2008, 21:03
Well, fine.
Shading should be like this.
Worms are Organic, they have organic features and shading. They're not boxes. Even though the back light looks completely wrong on my picture, pardon my crappyness. Mouse, no tablet, extremely rushed.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4236/asdasdasdro5.png

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 21:07
Well, fine.
Shading should be like this.
Worms are Organic, they have organic features and shading. They're not boxes. Even though the back light looks completely wrong on my picture, pardon my crappyness. Mouse, no tablet, extremely rushed.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4236/asdasdasdro5.png
OK, I'll try it another time.
I made it like this because I followed Splapp's tutorial.

.JeT
13 Jul 2008, 22:03
That's also a quite old tutorial. He's gotten way better at shading.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 22:06
That's also a quite old tutorial. He's gotten way better at shading.
When was it made? :-/

.JeT
13 Jul 2008, 22:15
Years ago, maybe? One year? Two? I don't remember.. But very long indeed.

Shadowmoon
13 Jul 2008, 22:18
I'm glad your reacting better to criticism now, McMaster.
Keep it up. Its what you need to do.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 22:30
Also I need some comments on the shape of the worm.
Is it better or worse than my previous pictures?

Shadowmoon
13 Jul 2008, 22:33
You are improving slowly, and i thought that pic was better than your past ones.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 22:42
You are improving slowly, and i thought that pic was better than your past ones.
So improving slowly is really bad, and you thought it would be better than my past ones?

Shadowmoon
13 Jul 2008, 22:46
No. What i mean is that you are starting to improve now. Thats good, not bad.
And that picture was better than your other pics.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 22:48
No. What i mean is that you are starting to improve now. Thats good, not bad.
And that picture was better than your other pics.
Oh, I messed up with your previous post. :o
That one is clearer, thank you. :)

Shadowmoon
13 Jul 2008, 22:51
Also, when i said "thats good" i didn't mean the picture was good. I meant that the fact your starting to improve is good.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 22:59
Also, when i said "thats good" i didn't mean the picture was good. I meant that the fact your starting to improve is good.
Make better sense over your posts please. :-/

Shadowmoon
13 Jul 2008, 23:02
Sometimes McMaster, you have explained things oddly, so please do not post something like that if you have done it too.

McMaster
13 Jul 2008, 23:04
Sometimes McMaster, you have explained things oddly, so please do not post something like that if you have done it too.
OK then. ;)

Akuryou13
14 Jul 2008, 01:31
the shape of the worm is actually reasonably good. the shape of the hat is decent enough to pass.
the shading, as stated, needs work, but the example given already was exactly what needs to be done. aside from that I think the sun thing is the only issue.

Kelster23
14 Jul 2008, 05:53
Everything I could possibly say has been said before.

.JeT
14 Jul 2008, 10:19
the shading, as stated, needs work, but the example given already was exactly what needs to be done.
Thanks there. I was unsure i did it the right way.

Plasma
14 Jul 2008, 10:32
Make better sense over your posts please. :-/
That post was Made In Irony.

McMaster
14 Jul 2008, 11:43
I'm going to edit the picture right now.
I'll fix the sun problem and I'll try to make the shading like .JeT's example.
Edit: I edited the picture. I added the cloud in front of the sun, and made the shading backlight. I didn't add all those details on the shading, because I couldn't make them good.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6928/environmenttest2rj9.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=environmenttest2rj9.jpg)

.JeT
14 Jul 2008, 12:58
Doesn't matter, I quite like it now!
The shading is ok, the sun is ok.. The shape of the worm doesn't imply much detail, so the shade and backlight should be simple..
Nevermind, in other words: You executed it fine... I'm just babbling.

McMaster
14 Jul 2008, 13:21
Also I got puzzled with the shading and ruined the mouth a bit... :( If you zoom, you can see it is bad.
What details should the worm imply?

Akuryou13
14 Jul 2008, 15:51
Also I got puzzled with the shading and ruined the mouth a bit... :( If you zoom, you can see it is bad.
What details should the worm imply?I can see the mouth problems un-zoomed and it's not all that bad, really. the shading is much better! I think it's a tad too far into the worm, but not enough to base a serious complaint.
nice work on that part!

McMaster
14 Jul 2008, 17:11
I can see the mouth problems un-zoomed and it's not all that bad, really. the shading is much better! I think it's a tad too far into the worm, but not enough to base a serious complaint.
nice work on that part!
Thank you. :)
I expected really bad comments on that one... :-/

Akuryou13
14 Jul 2008, 17:21
Thank you. :)
I expected really bad comments on that one... :-/oh it's far from perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

Shadowmoon
14 Jul 2008, 17:29
McMaster, how did you do the shading?
Also, that pic was much better.

McMaster
14 Jul 2008, 17:39
McMaster, how did you do the shading?
Also, that pic was much better.
You don't know how to do shading?
I figured it out. It's pretty much like MSPaint.
If I could record, I would make a guide.

Shadowmoon
14 Jul 2008, 17:42
Do you just make the part you want to shade, and colour that part?

Akuryou13
14 Jul 2008, 17:48
just look up shading tutorials, shadow.
mcmaster's technique is about as basic as shading gets. it shouldn't be hard to find someone who's already recorded a step-by-step.

McMaster
14 Jul 2008, 17:59
Do you just make the part you want to shade, and colour that part?
Yup.
I coloured with various colours the parts I want to shade, and I made lighter and darker versions of the worm's colour and added it to the right area.
It's easy. ;)

McMaster
20 Jul 2008, 23:04
I have one thing to announce.
I will stop doing art for a while. That's it.
Until I start doing art again, I accept requests.
I've got two requests to do.
1. Shadowmoon
2. super_frea
I'll do the request Shadowmoon did at the start of the thread (he didn't know that I didn't accept requests that time) and I've decided to do SF's request. (Paul.Power example (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=656695&postcount=141))

Akuryou13
21 Jul 2008, 04:09
I have one thing to announce.
I will stop doing art for a while. That's it.
Until I start doing art again, I accept requests.
I've got two requests to do.
1. Shadowmoon
2. super_frea
I'll do the request Shadowmoon did at the start of the thread (he didn't know that I didn't accept requests that time) and I've decided to do SF's request. (Paul.Power example (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=656695&postcount=141))wait....you're not doing art but you're takinng requests?! requests for what, exactly?

GrimOswald
21 Jul 2008, 07:55
wait....you're not doing art but you're takinng requests?! requests for what, exactly?
He means he is taking requests for when he decides to start doing art again.

McMaster
21 Jul 2008, 10:06
He means he is taking requests for when he decides to start doing art again.
Exactly.
I will stop doing art, and until I start again, you can give me requests to draw you, and when I start art again, I'll draw the requests.

McMaster
24 Aug 2008, 19:05
An optical mouse will arrive to my house soon, so I will start to do art again.
For now, here's the last edit of my previous pictures, with better shading without mouth problems and cloud shadows, and I call it "McMaster on Sunset":
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5299/mcmasteronsunsetbf3.jpg
This time I made it using DirectX 12 and OpenGL 5.0, with SOTAG (State-Of-The-Art Graphics), a program which can combine many powerful rendering engines, including CryEngine 5 and the next-generation Source engine. The icing on the cake is the effects which are made from a studio which provided special effects on many famous movies, and the cherry is Advanced Shading Techniques.
Enjoy!

Melon
24 Aug 2008, 19:37
Is his hat hovering behind him? Because it certainly isn't on his head.
In fact, if the eyebrows are casting a shadow but the hat isn't, it's probably some massive, ornate and goofy looking tower that's really far off in the background.

McMaster
24 Aug 2008, 19:44
Is his hat hovering behind him? Because it certainly isn't on his head.
In fact, if the eyebrows are casting a shadow but the hat isn't, it's probably some massive, ornate and goofy looking tower that's really far off in the background.
Whoops! I didn't set the AST to do that! Thanks for pointing this out!
I'm done with this picture. I've edited it two times to get that result. The next picture is when I get an optical mouse.
Maybe if I use 1998 techniques my pictures will look better? :p

Pyramid
24 Aug 2008, 21:01
This time I made it using DirectX 12 and OpenGL 5.0, with SOTAG (State-Of-The-Art Graphics), a program which can combine many powerful rendering engines, including CryEngine 5 and the next-generation Source engine. The icing on the cake is the effects which are made from a studio which provided special effects on many famous movies, and the cherry is Advanced Shading Techniques.
Enjoy!
OK, but this is really bad anyway

Kelster23
24 Aug 2008, 23:06
This time I made it using DirectX 12 and OpenGL 5.0, with SOTAG (State-Of-The-Art Graphics), a program which can combine many powerful rendering engines, including CryEngine 5 and the next-generation Source engine. The icing on the cake is the effects which are made from a studio which provided special effects on many famous movies, and the cherry is Advanced Shading Techniques.
Enjoy!
...what?
Not to be mean, but it looks like it was made in Flash. =/

Akuryou13
25 Aug 2008, 01:15
In fact, if the eyebrows are casting a shadow but the hat isn't, it's probably some massive, ornate and goofy looking tower that's really far off in the background.actually, it's not even that. even the clouds are projecting really tiny shadows onto the ground that make absolutely no sense. so even if it WAS a tower it would have a shadow as if it were a hat.
...what?
Not to be mean, but it looks like it was made in Flash. =/that'd be because it was made in flash and he's just being stupid :p

McMaster
25 Aug 2008, 09:13
OK, I will try to make a picture with 1988 techniques.
Edit: I meant 1998 techniques.

McMaster
25 Aug 2008, 10:35
Here's a comic with 1998 techniques.
I'll call it "McMaster's Killing Feel".
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5475/mcmasterskillingfeel1gs4.jpg
I have improved a lot.

shadowman
25 Aug 2008, 11:33
I have improved a lot.
When did shadowmoon start drawing again?

McMaster
25 Aug 2008, 11:58
When did shadowmoon start drawing again?
His PC is broken, and for a year, he can't post art. :p

Akuryou13
25 Aug 2008, 14:17
His PC is broken, and for a year, he can't post art. :pso could I convince you to accept a hammer as a gift for yourself?

Shadowmoon
25 Aug 2008, 16:03
His PC is broken, and for a year, he can't post art. :p
I may be getting a new PC soon.... expect a return somewhere near the end of this year.
And why did you post that crap comic from the crap comics thread i made in T17.tk?

Metal Alex
25 Aug 2008, 19:50
actually, it's not even that. even the clouds are projecting really tiny shadows onto the ground that make absolutely no sense. so even if it WAS a tower it would have a shadow as if it were a hat.
Not a problem if it's BEHIND the sun. Someone make the calculations for the height.

McMaster
25 Aug 2008, 21:28
Not a problem if it's BEHIND the sun. Someone make the calculations for the height.
No, you're wrong, I fixed that mistake.

Shadowmoon
25 Aug 2008, 21:51
When do you get your new mouse?

shadowman
25 Aug 2008, 23:59
His PC is broken, and for a year, he can't post art. :p
To quote a very wise forumer:
"Is there anything in that head of yours, or is it just solid bone?"

Paul.Power
26 Aug 2008, 12:15
actually, it's not even that. even the clouds are projecting really tiny shadows onto the ground that make absolutely no sense. so even if it WAS a tower it would have a shadow as if it were a hat.Maybe it's a really, really big worm, to the same scale as the clouds. Then the small cloud shadows and the goofy-looking tower make sense.

Akuryou13
26 Aug 2008, 13:19
Maybe it's a really, really big worm, to the same scale as the clouds. Then the small cloud shadows and the goofy-looking tower make sense.yeah but then you've got the problem that the sun is below the cloud and yet the shadow is cast on the ground that's also below the sun :p

McMaster
26 Aug 2008, 13:26
My new mouse should have come yesterday. Please stop asking. It will come when it's time for it to come.

Pyramid
26 Aug 2008, 16:19
Huhhh
Who's asking? :-/

Akuryou13
26 Aug 2008, 16:23
Huhhh
Who's asking? :-/the same person he's been talking to in his last 2 posts, presumably :p

Plasma
26 Aug 2008, 16:34
Or else the hat is perfectly shaped to look like it's behind the worm, but it's actually floating in front.

Paul.Power
26 Aug 2008, 16:37
yeah but then you've got the problem that the sun is below the cloud and yet the shadow is cast on the ground that's also below the sun :p
Hmm, point.

McMaster
26 Aug 2008, 17:30
Good and bad news!
Good news: My optical mouse will be here in some minutes! Yay! :)
Bad news: I will start doing art again. :(

Shadowmoon
26 Aug 2008, 17:51
Finally.
It took a while.
Also, i was just asking. You've asked questions like that to me, before.

McMaster
26 Aug 2008, 17:53
It just came! Yayyy!
Edit: This means I will start art again now. :(

Shadowmoon
26 Aug 2008, 17:59
It just came! Yayyy!
Edit: This means I will start art again now. :(
Err... yeah. I think you just said that.

McMaster
26 Aug 2008, 18:14
Err... yeah. I think you just said that.
No, previously I said that it is coming in a few minutes.
So I got my mouse, it works good, end of this discussion now.

Shadowmoon
26 Aug 2008, 18:43
Good and bad news!
Good news: My optical mouse will be here in some minutes! Yay! :)
Bad news: I will start doing art again. :(
See? you said that before.

McMaster
26 Aug 2008, 18:54
See? you said that before.
In some minutes!
Wow. You can't even read Shadowmoon.
If you have to tell me anything more, then tell me in Team17.tk. Not here.
End of this discussion now.

Shadowmoon
26 Aug 2008, 19:12
Blinking flip.
"Bad News: I will start doing art again"
Tada!

Pyramid
27 Aug 2008, 01:54
I'm praying really hard you know.... really hard. I hope God exists

Kelster23
27 Aug 2008, 03:16
I'm praying really hard you know.... really hard. I hope God exists
If not, you can always try Satan.

Pyramid
27 Aug 2008, 04:45
If not, you can always try Satan.
Hell yeah...it would be freaking easier too, since Lucifer is almost and old buddy of mine and he owe me some favors...

super_frea
27 Aug 2008, 11:28
This is a lovely thread :)

Shadowmoon
27 Aug 2008, 11:38
Shovel the art out or this thread will turn into spamz.

shadowman
27 Aug 2008, 11:42
This is a lovely thread :)
Lots of sacrilege.

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