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SupSuper
23 Sep 2002, 09:38
if you read the first thread on this forum (the one with the rules), you'll probably read this:
...For example, forum/website comments and suggestions...
so come on, let's come up with some suggestions or comments for this forum.
mine are:
- no double posting before 1 day after that post
- editing posts without attachments should allow you to put attachments
i also hope team17 reads this thread and tells us what they think.

APJ
23 Sep 2002, 10:29
yeah, both good ideas.
VBulletin V3 is coming soon, so i need to see if these are implemenented, or if I need to write hacks.
Please keep all the ideas rolling in!

Nutter
23 Sep 2002, 11:15
- editing posts without attachments should allow you to put attachments
I believe this is added in V.3.0.

Run
23 Sep 2002, 11:25
What does the little Yellow V symbol mean next to a forum name? I was told it means "contains unread posts" but this is definitely not true, because i've read them all in one forum and the V is still yellow. The only thing it seems to mean is "has been recently used or contains unread posts".
I've found this happen in more than one forum with the same vB system.

APJ
23 Sep 2002, 11:35
What does the little Yellow V symbol mean next to a forum name? I was told it means "contains unread posts" but this is definitely not true, because i've read them all in one forum and the V is still yellow. The only thing it seems to mean is "has been recently used or contains unread posts".
It does mean 'contains unread posts'.
The problem is that your personal counters for what you have unread do not always update immediately during your session. If you login later, then your session is updated and posts you have read are no longer yellow.
Alternatively, click the 'mark posts as read' and this updates the counters immediately.

SupSuper
23 Sep 2002, 12:34
Alternatively, click the 'mark posts as read' and this updates the counters immediately. hmmm... gotta remember that!
cool, this thread has become a sticky thread. never thought i would post a thread that would become sticky.
more suggestions:
- customizable background colors. i'm just getting sick of this blue-like colors ;)
- more smiley faces, like for :s, :|, :smoking:, :scared: (for nutter specially :rolleyes: ), etc.

sonicx
23 Sep 2002, 12:51
Really dumb statment ahead
don't know bout anyone else but every time i load a page
it comes up with "Snytex error" about 1 or 2 every time a load a page i ignore it but ...
sometimes it does it about 50 times so i have to load another page

APJ
23 Sep 2002, 14:03
don't know bout anyone else but every time i load a page
it comes up with "Snytex error" about 1 or 2 every time a load a page i ignore it but ...
sometimes it does it about 50 times so i have to load another page
can you be more specific on the problem, and provide screenshots? What system/OS/browser are you running etc.

Worm Mad
23 Sep 2002, 16:34
- customizable background colors.
I like that idea, perhaps there could be different choosable background colours relating to each game in the series, if that makes any sense.
more smiley faces
What about replacing the old faces with worm faces, like a happy worm, etc. I guess that wouldn't be fair on the few posters that want to post about other Team17 games though. Maybe you could have different T17 character faces though (Worm,Superfrog,etc).
I don't know if most people would agree with this but I think that people who post threads should have minor moderating powers over those threads that they made. These powers could be banning certain members from posting in your thread and deleting offensive posts for example. Then again I'm sure people would end up abusing a moderate your own thread system. By the way, I'm not talking about getting rid of moderators just giving thread posters more powers over people who post in their threads.

thomasp
23 Sep 2002, 19:09
I know you are going to be sick of hearing this, but it would be nice to have Private Messaging back, because sometimes you want to ask someone something, but perhaps you don't want to post it as a thread.
Also, I think the ability for users to close threads that they have started, and to delete our own posts/threads (delete threads only if there is one post in the thread - ie, you didn't mean to start it). It would be useful for users to close their own threads when they feel the topic is not worth debating any more, or if it has got out of hand. It would cut back on the mods work, but of course, they would be able to override it.
If you want to see some examples of what other vBulletin forums want when Version3 comes out, go to: http://www.mgoforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=463&daysprune=
Bearing in mind that this forum is considerably bigger than this one.

SupSuper
23 Sep 2002, 20:00
speaking of forums... any1 know what free webhosting servers support vbulletin forums and how to set them up (settings in config.php file)?
and... more suggestions:
- bigger image (smileys) limit
- couldn't you make attachments being able to reach about 150000 bytes instead of just 102400?
- users could be warned (through mail or something) when a post / thread that they made is deleted, stating the reason. that way users probably wouldn't keep re-posting things that were deleted because they didn't know why!

Kjatte
23 Sep 2002, 20:38
-Being able to add an image to the signature!
-More codes like Quoting and stuff. one new code could be [/offtopic] ;)
-being able to choose fonts sizes and color on text
-smilies looks like the one on top of my thread on like the one bellow
:D

Nutter
24 Sep 2002, 07:51
-Being able to add an image to the signature!
Err, please no.
Avatar's are enough. You see them once, maybe twice, then you just get sick of seeing them. Larger images are just a pain for this too, as they just take time to download.
-being able to choose fonts sizes and color on text
They were removed for a reason (ala, abuse). I don't want to see them return.

SupSuper
24 Sep 2002, 12:04
Really dumb statment ahead
don't know bout anyone else but every time i load a page
it comes up with "Snytex error" about 1 or 2 every time a load a page i ignore it but ...
sometimes it does it about 50 times so i have to load another page if it's a geocities.com page, i know why! often, when you go to a geocities.com page and the ad doesn't show up (don't know why) the browser gives you an error (i've got this errors: "syntax error", "access denied" and "object not found").

Paul.Power
24 Sep 2002, 12:35
Bring back the CODE code! By that, I mean the # button that allowed you to type
stuff like this
Okay, I can do the tags manually, but it's not the same...

thomasp
24 Sep 2002, 19:10
If IMG code is allowed in signatures, then I'm leaving!
Seriously though, if you are going to put IMG code back in signatures, make a 5K limit for pictures (or something small like that), and only allow a couple of lines of text, say 100 charectars.
If you look at some of the members at www.mgoforum.com they have got ridiculously large pics in their sigs, which take forever to load on a 28K modem connection (which I have). I once waited 10 mins for a 25 post thread to load.

APJ
25 Sep 2002, 10:00
I am thinking of removing sigs from posts, and only displaying them on the user's account info page anyway.
Certainly no images in sigs, anyhow.

Nutter
25 Sep 2002, 10:12
I am thinking of removing sigs from posts
Why, if I may ask?
Personally, I'd rather just see a fairly severe char limit, rather than the altogether removal of them.

APJ
25 Sep 2002, 11:06
Why, if I may ask?
I am looking into a hack to limit sig length/lines first.
I will remove sigs altogether if I think that they do not add anything to the forum.. have to wait and see with the new template design.

Sir Brucie
25 Sep 2002, 12:38
What About An Off Topic Forum Called GENARAL DUSCUSSION. I think Team17 Needs A Off topic Forum.
Have a NICE DAY Chaps And Play Hard In Worms
Sir Brucie - The Bone Bashing Drill Sergeant

sonicx
25 Sep 2002, 12:49
can you be more specific on the problem, and provide screenshots? What system/OS/browser are you running etc
ok i'll try
i'm using windows 98, microsoft internet explorer.
thats both my home set up and the public network i go to.

APJ
25 Sep 2002, 12:59
I'm using windows 98, microsoft internet explorer.
thats both my home set up and the public network i go to.
can you debug, and show me the line causing a problem.
Also, which pages does this happen on? Are the images still loading as this error occurs? is it in response from moving over a particular button on the navigation?

SupSuper
25 Sep 2002, 13:09
yay, i got TCFWG's forum (http://members.lycos.co.uk/tcfwg/forum) working!
hmmm... this thread is going VERY off-topic.
more suggestions:
- Favourite Game field in a user's profile (just interested ;))
- removal of the "c r a p" word as censored! since when is that a bad word?

Kjatte
25 Sep 2002, 15:03
I am thinking of removing sigs from posts, and only displaying them on the user's account info page anyway.
Certainly no images in sigs, anyhow.
Please Don't if you mean avatars!

APJ
25 Sep 2002, 15:09
no, I said sigs, and mean signatures.
Avatars will remain uneffected, but I think the post count info will be moved to distract from spamming.

Kjatte
25 Sep 2002, 15:20
THANK YOU!!! oh THANK YOU!!
i was scared there for a moment!
i agree with the signature part! they're not exactly important!
anyway when is the "being watched" status removed? i think i've improved!

sonicx
25 Sep 2002, 20:12
can you debug, and show me the line causing a problem.
Also, which pages does this happen on? Are the images still loading as this error occurs? is it in response from moving over a particular button on the navigation?
Some times when i move towards the buttons at the top it comes up
other times when it loads a page on the forum
or heres the line:

Whatmyname
26 Sep 2002, 01:58
I have a stupid question: whats an avatar? never learned what those are

Nutter
26 Sep 2002, 07:28
I have a stupid question: whats an avatar? never learned what those are
Under "Nutter" is "Moderator", and under that is my image - AKA an Avatar. (Look to the left of this post).

Lawd
26 Sep 2002, 07:43
1.
I am thinking of removing sigs from posts, and only displaying them on the user's account info page anyway.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: *What will happen if you take sigs out of the forum* HELP!!!!!! I'M DYING!!!!!!!!
2.
I have a stupid question: whats an avatar? never learned what those are
Want me to tell you how to get one in you're posts aswell?

Paul.Power
26 Sep 2002, 15:58
Why, if I may ask?
I am looking into a hack to limit sig length/lines first.
I will remove sigs altogether if I think that they do not add anything to the forum.. have to wait and see with the new template design. I like sigs. They give away something of the personality of the forum member.
The downside is, now everyone knows I'm a lunatic.

thomasp
26 Sep 2002, 16:49
This forum has got very popular recently, with lots of posts being made (between 50 and 60 unread threads per day when I log on, before W3D, it was less than 20!), so threads are becoming "hot" very quickly.
If you don't know what I mean by a "hot" thread, then here's an explanation: A thread becomes hot (ie, the unread envelope turns red, instead of yellow, and the 'read' envelope has lines above it) after 15 replies or 150 views, whichever is the sooner.
I think this should be raised to at least 30 replies and 300 views, because most of the threads (even the spam ones) are getting 'hot', so it kind of defeats the object of having the 'hot' thread marker

SomePerson
27 Sep 2002, 05:31
1. how about 1 line sigs??
2. ooh i 4got it..... oh yeah, how about allowing avatars that are other files, i have a really nice avatar but.....(hint: has to do w/ fishing, and worms)

Run
27 Sep 2002, 08:33
Some popular topics which won't rest often get dozens of threads all devoted to them, when only one thread is really enough to disuss that particular topic.
I think it would be a good idea if you made a series of Sticky threads devoted to such 'Hot Topics', so anyone who wanted to discuss something could simply go in that thread rather than make a new thread or fish around a dozen similar threads. And if someone still didn't notice the Stickys, and made a new thread, it could just be deleted.
Such threads that come to mind are Girder threads for W3, new weapons threads (i found 9 on the first two pages alone) sound/voice threads, threads about competetion between 3D and 2D, the Camera, and there are plenty of threads containing 3D worms made by members.
If just one thread could be made for each of these topics, it would make it a lot easier for us because you only have to post your opinion in that thread rather than five threads, and it would probably making moderating easier too.
Just an idea.

SomePerson
28 Sep 2002, 06:52
2. ooh i 4got it..... oh yeah, how about allowing avatars that are other files, i have a really nice avatar but.....(hint: has to do w/ fishing, and worms)
n/m i found a program

Paul.Power
29 Sep 2002, 18:56
2. ooh i 4got it..... oh yeah, how about allowing avatars that are other files, i have a really nice avatar but.....(hint: has to do w/ fishing, and worms)
n/m i found a program Great avatar.

SupSuper
1 Oct 2002, 21:46
about the more smileys idea of mine, here's an image i took of a vbulletin forum where i post and it has lots of smileys, and some of them are even animated, which makes it even better.
note: the forum i got the smileys screenshot from is the Den Games Network Forums (http://dgnforums.cncgames.com/)

SomePerson
2 Oct 2002, 01:14
*switching back to topic, estimated time left:3hrs 27 mins*
*switch complete*
regarding the emails it sends when some1 responds to a subscribed thread, how about a link so i dont need 2 copy and paste

SupSuper
2 Oct 2002, 08:55
*switching back to topic, estimated time left:3hrs 27 mins*
*switch complete*
regarding the emails it sends when some1 responds to a subscribed thread, how about a link so i dont need 2 copy and paste when i get that kind of email, it does have a link! that may depend on your mail service.

SomePerson
3 Oct 2002, 00:20
when i get that kind of email, it does have a link! that may depend on your mail service.
once again i state that i hate aol. ill try a yahoo account

axx
3 Oct 2002, 23:08
hmm interesting no one asked before.. or maybe Im not thinking enuff and Im not realising that what I am about to ask about is not really what this topic is about..(I think Ive just realised..lol): a chat. I usually see forums combined to chats on irc (check my site for instance..), so it would be cool to have one to know each other better (and to avoid spamming or going off topic too much.. lol). Im not saying it would replace the forum (that would the exact opposite of what I want..), but it would just complete it. Possibly, we could all agree on a IRC server and the name of a channel (#worms sounds great.. lol).
Now two things:
-if this channel already exists and Im not aware of it, Im sorry, plz dont hit me with that great big stick.. just tell me where that chat room is..
-yes, this is definitly off topic now that I think about it.. its not a new function that i want added to the forum, its a new function to the site.. sorta.
And new/bigger smileys would be cool too..
thx everyone!

Nutter
4 Oct 2002, 06:00
-if this channel already exists and Im not aware of it, Im sorry, plz dont hit me with that great big stick.. just tell me where that chat room is..
GamesNET #worms, there is one... but we don't exactly discuss Worms, and newbies (to the channel) are usually made to feel very unwelcome...
Though I admit we are starting to deal with the *******s in the channel now. Pico (my bot) is no longer removing bans, so the channel ops can ban the *****s (sheep, geeno, etc..) permanantly if necessary.
There is another one on EnterTheGame - #worms.

svenneundulat
4 Oct 2002, 12:40
Wasn't there some discussion about a channel that should be created and solely controlled by some of the staff, instead of this here-we-flame channel's, that would be more interesting.

SomePerson
5 Oct 2002, 16:27
but I think the post count info will be moved to distract from spamming.
or u can just get rid of the count. cops here get promoted when they give enough tickets. my brother got pulled over 4 not having an external review mirror on the passenger side:confused: . and they tailgate you to get you to go faster to try and get you to speed and they give a ticket, and they follow you around forever. same thing can happen on the forums, ppl posting to no meaning to get a higher rank.

thomasp
5 Oct 2002, 16:59
APJ...
Just noticed something browsing the member lists, under the "Date registered" column, it only gives the day and month, not the year, like it used to before you upgraded to v. 2.2.8.
It used to say: thomasp: date registered: August 20, 2001.
It now says: thomasp: date registered: August 20
It is the same in the member profile windows.
It is a bit confusing becuase now there is no way to distinguish between members registered after July 2002 and after July 2001.

Kjatte
10 Oct 2002, 19:48
a suggestion.
if you double post, the second message melts in to the first!
its brilliant brilliant brilliant i tell you! genious i say! ;)

Run
11 Oct 2002, 08:27
I still have no feedback on my suggestion...

Squirminator2k
11 Oct 2002, 09:49
I am thinking of removing sigs from postsDon't get rid of them entirely, just put a limit on them!
As for other suggestions, I have a few:-
Have another section entitled "Classics" where people can discuss the great oldies such as Superfrog, Alien Breed, Arcade Pool and so forth.
I agree with the customisable "skins", I'd like to be able to have, say, Superfrog in the background!
More smilies, definitely.
Some pre-made avatars would be nice for those of us with no artistic flair.
Speaking of which, some of them could be box covers for games (I had the WWP Advance box cover for my avatar for a while when I was sorting out my AnimSIG at home.)
How about some ChatRooms as well? Some of us I'm sure would love to talk realtime, and it saves us having to go into, Say, WWP and use the Chat thing in there all the time.
:: Edit ::
*Added something to the list*
Also I seem to get a "Page Error" thign every time the page loads. I get it whenever I move the mouse pointer over one of the button links up top, whenever I move the mouse OFF of it, and TWICE when loading a new page.
:: End of Edit ::

Squirminator2k
11 Oct 2002, 09:54
Sorry for the double-post but I just went to get a screenshot and it wouldn't let me put it into the other post. Maybe something to implement in the future? Anyway, here's the first one:-

Nutter
11 Oct 2002, 09:57
Can you click "Show details" and paste the content?
It will have the error and character number, and the error type.
It's probably "Access denied" or something, which will mean a security or access permission on your PC denying the script rights to execute.
Edit: I swear that image didn't have the show details showing when I clicked "Post Reply"...

Squirminator2k
11 Oct 2002, 10:00
Realised what I hadn't done so I updated the image. Sorry! Or rather, yay me.

APJ
11 Oct 2002, 10:37
Run : as the worms 3 forum gets busier and busier, I'll be incorporating sub-fourms for popular threads to make things easier to sort.
Squirminator2k : That looks like a JavaScript error, however, I have checked the code many times, and there are no problems. I guess the Javascript hadn't loaded fully and thus caused an error when moving over the buttons, as the script wasn't complete.
if you get the error ALL the time, then I am stumped as the forum has been checked on loads of browsers, and I can't duplicate the problem. What is you set up? anymore screenshots?

MrLee
11 Oct 2002, 11:28
Not allowing users to post polls would be a good start.
Putting the subject title of the thread in the window area would help navigation. After looking at 20 pages on this forum it is impossible to know where you've been if you want to navigate back a few pages.
I would like to be notified why my posts are deleted too. There is nothing better for controlling flames than letting your peers see what a complete **** you've been.

thomasp
13 Oct 2002, 15:38
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but here's something I'd like to see in the new version of the forum:
When you vote in a poll, the option that you chose is highlighted in some way (underline, bold, italics, etc...), so as when you are reading a thread with a poll that is 3 months old, you can still remember what you voted for.

Squirminator2k
13 Oct 2002, 22:32
The problems I get only occur when I'm at college - I have no problems anywhere else. Seeing as I'm only a student and not a member of staff I can't access the Browser Options to find out what settings it has. I blame WindowsXp, though. Plus the IT Admins at College have set it up so we can't disable that error message box I showed you.
Oh well.

Lawd
26 Oct 2002, 19:59
I think that the confused smilie should be :s instead of :Confused: (Without the capitols)

Squirminator2k
28 Oct 2002, 14:23
Speaking of confused, the vB Code is slightly confusing. Can we have more buttons please? and maybe some changes, e.g. when you click Quote you have to enter the quoted text first, then who you're quoting it from.
Just a thought...

SomePerson
29 Oct 2002, 04:52
i dont even use the buttons anymore. and there are some things that dont have buttons

Paul.Power
11 Nov 2002, 14:59
Any more news on these new statistics (like "popularity") that might get implemented?

realfoe
14 Nov 2002, 23:16
if you could please when you delete one of my post put in its place no foe you fool i might understand it is me and not a bug. you can delete this now if you want. ta

SomePerson
15 Nov 2002, 05:15
how about the ability to delete our own posts.:D
edit: my location isnt too long is it?:p

Star Worms
23 Nov 2002, 12:57
I think there should b sumthing so if u forget 2 post a picture u can edit it and put it in, rather than having 2 post a new post:)

Squirminator2k
29 Nov 2002, 23:19
I think you can already do that one...
I violently dislike the colourscheme on this forum. May I suggest some nice purples that would compliment the Team 17 logo?
*Grabs his old "Guy from Changing Rooms" wig again...*

SomePerson
30 Nov 2002, 07:26
how about a spam bar in a person's profile. when a person spams considerably, it goes up. when theyre good, it goes down. at a certain point your status becomes being watched... i mean, just a few intervals at the least would suffice

Squirminator2k
30 Nov 2002, 12:53
A Spam bar would have to be done manually by a member of team 17 staff - I doubt it would work automatically. Posts such as thsi one might get mistaken for a Spammage and I'd get Being Watched.
Still, better than being a Junior.
*sob*

Star Worms
30 Nov 2002, 18:31
I'm sure team17 can give you a being watched status, if that's what you want;)

SomePerson
1 Dec 2002, 00:59
I'm sure team17 can give you a being watched status, if that's what you want;) *shudders* thats my worst fear...:(

Star Worms
1 Dec 2002, 13:12
I think there should b sumthing so if u forget 2 post a picture u can edit it and put it in, rather than having 2 post a new post:)
I think you can already do that one
no you can only change attachments, if you forget to add one then you have to post another reply

Blinx
1 Dec 2002, 16:53
Being Watched is really bad.
I wish i couls delete all my old ****e posts and carry on as normal.
Also why dont we put christmas decorations around the forum?!:D :(

Star Worms
1 Dec 2002, 16:56
Being Watched is really bad.
I wish i couls delete all my old ****e posts and carry on as normal.
Well you shouldn't have been spamming then

Plutonic
1 Dec 2002, 16:56
i tihnk u well deserve being watched status, you were no better on my forums either.

Blinx
1 Dec 2002, 16:57
If i got banned could i come back and register again?
Ps:Whatcha mean you forums?
What web-site is that?

SupSuper
6 Dec 2002, 21:31
a forum idea that i think it would be very useful.
since most ppl when want to say something off-topic put in [off-topic] [/off-topic] or something maybe you should turn THAT in a real vbCode tag. i know it's possible, just wondering if you could go to the trouble of doing that, maybe it would show the text small, in dark grey or something.

Star Worms
6 Dec 2002, 22:04
I find the small text hard to read, it seems to blend in with the background. Maybe it could be in a little box or something like the quotes are in. If that is possible

SomePerson
7 Dec 2002, 00:33
or maybe there could be an option to turn them off!!! so you dont see off topic messages if you dont want to:)

Squirminator2k
11 Dec 2002, 11:26
But some people have valid poitns to make in off-topic comments.
Speaking of vB tags an tag would be nice. I manually do all my off-topic and edit stuff - look back at some of my posts and you'll see something that looks like this:-
:: Edit ::
This is additional text.
This informs people of changes I've made to the above text e.g. Spelling mistake amended or paragraph removed.
:: End of Edit ::
:: Off-Topic Comment ::
This is an off-topic comment. Did you see or touch any monkeys?
:: End of Off-Topic Comment ::
See what I mean? It looks good but it takes a little extra time to type (Oh, how lazy I am). So some vB code would be nice to implement this stuff automatically.
:: Edit ::
This is an actual edit!! Oops!
Spelling mistake Amended
:: End of Edit ::

Nutter
13 Dec 2002, 04:12
But some people have valid poitns to make in off-topic comments.
Speaking of vB tags an tag would be nice. I manually do all my off-topic and edit stuff - look back at some of my posts and you'll see something that looks like this:-
The problem with an [EDIT] tag would be in coding the script to compare, then recognise the changes you've made, then make a guess as to why you edited it based on what has changed.
Spelling mistake might be easy, but when you notice multiple changes here and there, and/or a paragraph removed and/or a new one added etc.. gets too hard.

SargeMcCluck
13 Dec 2002, 12:43
-if this channel already exists and Im not aware of it, Im sorry, plz dont hit me with that great big stick.. just tell me where that chat room is..
GamesNET #worms, there is one... but we don't exactly discuss Worms, and newbies (to the channel) are usually made to feel very unwelcome...
Though I admit we are starting to deal with the *******s in the channel now. Pico (my bot) is no longer removing bans, so the channel ops can ban the *****s (sheep, geeno, etc..) permanantly if necessary.
There is another one on EnterTheGame - #worms.
Pico's a bot??
How strange, Pico did !seen DirtyAlex at one point, just before I lost my #worms ops =/

SargeMcCluck
13 Dec 2002, 12:45
But some people have valid poitns to make in off-topic comments.
Speaking of vB tags an tag would be nice. I manually do all my off-topic and edit stuff - look back at some of my posts and you'll see something that looks like this:-
The problem with an tag would be in coding the script to compare, then recognise the changes you've made, then make a guess as to why you edited it based on what has changed.
Spelling mistake might be easy, but when you notice multiple changes here and there, and/or a paragraph removed and/or a new one added etc.. gets too hard.
You could have manual tho - [EDIT=REASON]RANDOMTEXTHERE
So the tag would add the edit bit, and make the reason Italic. Very easy to do too.
Not that it'd be used much =/

SargeMcCluck
13 Dec 2002, 12:48
Speaking of confused, the vB Code is slightly confusing. Can we have more buttons please? and maybe some changes, e.g. when you click Quote you have to enter the quoted text first, then who you're quoting it from.
Just a thought...
Or push QUOTE at the bottom of their post and it goes to the post new thread page with the quote stuff filled in.
Edit: ACK
Just noticed I triple-posted
Sorry :/

Squirminator2k
19 Dec 2002, 14:57
But some people have valid poitns to make in off-topic comments.
Speaking of vB tags an tag would be nice. I manually do all my off-topic and edit stuff - look back at some of my posts and you'll see something that looks like this:-
The problem with an [EDIT] tag would be in coding the script to compare, then recognise the changes you've made, then make a guess as to why you edited it based on what has changed.
Spelling mistake might be easy, but when you notice multiple changes here and there, and/or a paragraph removed and/or a new one added etc.. gets too hard. I can see your point, but you don't necessarily have to do the Amendment line. People could do that manually if they wanted to. An [EDIT] tag that does something similar to the [QUOTE] tag (i.e. text that appears in the [EDIT] tag gets resized and recoloured, perhaps with a slight indent and a nice shiny ".: Edit :. header) would solve so many problems.
Or at least that's my opinion. Maybe I'm just lazy.

BetongÅsna
31 Dec 2002, 18:56
I think sum1 must have sed this
what about being able to delete our posts? would help

Star Worms
31 Dec 2002, 22:12
I think sum1 must have sed this
what about being able to delete our posts? would help
It has already been mentioned
how about the ability to delete our own posts.:D

BetongÅsna
1 Jan 2003, 22:50
heh
there goes my brilliantly original idea then

Squirminator2k
3 Jan 2003, 14:51
I don't think is such a thing as an original idea...
How about expanding the size of our avatars to 60x60? Or is that just me being cheaky?

thomasp
3 Jan 2003, 15:26
I don't think is such a thing as an original idea...
How about expanding the size of our avatars to 60x60? Or is that just me being cheaky?
Yes, you are being cheecky. Think of the strain that would put on the database.
I still think we should be allowed to use the [ size=1 ] tag (no other sizes!) in our signatures, as it would allow large, lengthy sigs, like mine to be reduced in size. Also, it would be good if there was some script that could automatically insert the text "I am too stupid to realise that IMG/HTML code was off when I created my signature!" if someone uses IMG or HTML code.

BetongÅsna
3 Jan 2003, 22:23
Or is that just me being cheaky?
Yes, you are being cheecky.
damit, cann no-won onn thiz furom SPEL??
ITS C H E E K E Y
oh, wait... :rolleyes:

Squirminator2k
7 Jan 2003, 18:23
I am fairly sure I spelt cheaky right.
At least I think so. My spelling is infallibul.

sonicx
10 Jan 2003, 09:06
does really matter that much about spelling? what next? asking for a spell checker?
-off topic-
these syntex errors are relly starting to annoy me
every time i think it just targets me for the fun of it.

BetongÅsna
11 Jan 2003, 08:20
I am fairly sure I spelt cheaky right.
it's "cheeky"

PsyDome
13 Jan 2003, 17:05
please PLEASE allow us to delete our own posts... it sucks to have to just edit your post if you posted incerrectly...

sonicx
14 Jan 2003, 12:50
please PLEASE allow us to delete our own posts... it sucks to have to just edit your post if you posted incerrectly...
please listen
if you go to edit post, at the top of the page is ... delete post.
problem solved

Paul.Power
14 Jan 2003, 12:52
please listen
if you go to edit post, at the top of the page is ... delete post.
problem solved Please listen:
"Ah, but it doesn't work..."

APJ
14 Jan 2003, 12:57
"Ah, but it doesn't work..."
er, it does now.
I have allowed registered users the facility to delete their own posts, and remove their own threads by deleting their first posts.
And its for a trial period, so dont go abusing it, or I'll get mad.

PsyDome
14 Jan 2003, 21:52
"Ah, but it doesn't work..."
er, it does now.
I have allowed registered users the facility to delete their own posts, and remove their own threads by deleting their first posts.
And its for a trial period, so dont go abusing it, or I'll get mad.
thank! you!
and how could you abuse it? :) by deleting your own threads? where's the fun in that? ;) deleting your own posts? who cares? :)

SargeMcCluck
14 Jan 2003, 22:38
"Ah, but it doesn't work..."
er, it does now.
I have allowed registered users the facility to delete their own posts, and remove their own threads by deleting their first posts.
And its for a trial period, so dont go abusing it, or I'll get mad.
thank! you!
and how could you abuse it? :) by deleting your own threads? where's the fun in that? ;) deleting your own posts? who cares? :)
Deleting threads.

PsyDome
14 Jan 2003, 23:22
Deleting threads.
if i want to delete my own thread, i should be allowed to
worried about loosing postcount? ;)

SargeMcCluck
14 Jan 2003, 23:24
Deleting threads.
if i want to delete my own thread, i should be allowed to
worried about loosing postcount? ;)
But deleting threads could cause other users to get angry. :p
And yeah, if you delete a post the postcount goes down. :o

Paul.Power
15 Jan 2003, 14:21
"Ah, but it doesn't work..."
er, it does now.
Hmm... oops! :o
Sorry, sonicx

SomePerson
17 Jan 2003, 05:10
YAY!!! Time to make a post, get quoted, and delete my post to make it seem like a false quote.:rolleyes:

BetongÅsna
17 Jan 2003, 21:11
Heh - yeah, that seems to be the only problem i can think of. It seems to be quite a hard feature to abuse - surely all you can do is lesssen spamming.

sonicx
19 Jan 2003, 18:07
Hmm... oops!
Sorry, sonicx
fine :)

ThePaladin
24 Jan 2003, 10:26
I didnt know whether or not i should have started a new thread, or if APJ will find this post. but its come to my attention that some people are using too many lines to separate their words/paragraphs.
for
example.
I'm not sure if anyone else feels the same, but I find it a little annoying. Would it be possible to use the swear filter to replace *[enter character][enter character][enter character]* with just 2? It sounds easy enough, although i dont know what the character representing a line break would be :(. Maybe theres a vbulletin mod lying around?

APJ
24 Jan 2003, 10:47
Would it be possible to use the swear filter to replace *[enter character][enter character][enter character]* with just 2? It sounds easy enough, although i dont know what the character representing a line break would be :(. Maybe theres a vbulletin mod lying around?
it would be fairly easy to do a find/replace for "\n{3,}" (3 or more line breaks) and replace with "\n\n" 2 line breaks. Anyone else find this is necessary?

thomasp
24 Jan 2003, 17:03
It would be useful, because some people (whose names I will not mention), like to think it funny to put a page full of line breaks and then put one smilie at the bottom.
Just as long as two line breaks isn't limited to one, as it is sometimes helpful to separate two larger topics in one post by doing a double-line break.
Trouble is, people will still find a way of overriding it, like they do with the swearing filter.
In conclusion: A good idea, Paladin!

APJ
24 Jan 2003, 17:06
It would be useful, because some people (whose names I will not mention), like to think it funny to put a page full of line breaks and then put one smilie at the bottom.
show me 5 recent examples of this, and I will create a hack to stop it being done...

thomasp
24 Jan 2003, 17:14
It would be useful, because some people (whose names I will not mention), like to think it funny to put a page full of line breaks and then put one smilie at the bottom.
show me 5 recent examples of this, and I will create a hack to stop it being done...
I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I know it has been done.
It is not urgent, but would be a helpful feature, because sometimes you do get some idiots who do things like that.
Maybe include it in vB3

ThePaladin
24 Jan 2003, 23:28
show me 5 recent examples of this, and I will create a hack to stop it being done... hmm, well look at all of thomasp's posts, most of his paragraph separations have more than one line space in between. ;)
they are pretty rare, but i usually find these spaces when people put new lines after quotes.
(whereas [ /QUOTE]continued typing would go to a new line anyway).
It's no big deal really, but 'scrolling time' seems to be an issue at this forum, and I cant see the harm in it being done, so i thought it was worth bringing up. :D
EDIT: if you want to stop spammers, but not give other people a hard time, why not do find/replace for "\n{5,}" to "\n\n"? i have no idea what i just said, but i think its right....

Kjatte
24 Jan 2003, 23:33
I have a complain. Sometimes i have to log once more after logging on if you know what i mean.
here is a example:
*enters the forum*
*enters user name and password and logs on*
*posts something in some thread*
*recieves a message wich says 'you are not logged on'*
Some times i have to log on twice to be logged for a few seconds!
It is very likely this will happen to this post right now!

ThePaladin
24 Jan 2003, 23:41
i find this tends to happen when you enter the forum via a link from a hotmail webpage (if you have email notification) - but there could be a bunch of other reasons for this to happen. perhaps your cookie settings need adjusting? Or perhaps your internet explorer privacy level is too high? But if its a hotmail related problem the only advice i can offer is to use outlook or msn explorer to read your hotmail instead.

SomePerson
25 Jan 2003, 06:12
I know a way already to overcome it.
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:pI did this as an example! I have never done this before!

thomasp
25 Jan 2003, 11:44
hmm, well look at all of thomasp's posts, most of his paragraph separations have more than one line space in between. ;)
they are pretty rare, but i usually find these spaces when people put new lines after quotes.
(whereas [ /QUOTE]continued typing would go to a new line anyway).
It's no big deal really, but 'scrolling time' seems to be an issue at this forum, and I cant see the harm in it being done, so i thought it was worth bringing up. :D
EDIT: if you want to stop spammers, but not give other people a hard time, why not do find/replace for "\n{5,}" to "\n\n"? i have no idea what i just said, but i think its right....
APJ actually said "3 or more lines", and if you analyse my posts, I only use one or two lines between paragraphs. And, I only use two lines when I am about to talk about something completely different.
Also, no matter what kind of hack APJ does to stop this, then there will always be a way to override it, like the censoring system. I don't mind if this hack isn't included until V3.

BetongÅsna
25 Jan 2003, 12:24
I know a way already to overcome it.
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:pI did this as an example! I have never done this before!
heh - now that's just cheating!

UnKnown X
31 Jan 2003, 19:17
I haven't read too much in this thread, cuz i havent got 2 mucch time now, but i have a suggestion for the t17 forum::
IF the forum gets many spammers, you could make a back room where only non-spammers can come in. Like Worms 3 Back room or something lke that.
(ps: I've got that idea from smashboards (http://www.smashboards.com)

SupSuper
31 Jan 2003, 22:58
IF the forum gets many spammers, you could make a back room where only non-spammers can come in. Like Worms 3 Back room or something lke that.actually, team17 uses a much better solution:
- whenever a spammer is found, he gets a Being Watched status, which forbids him to access the user cp, create threads and vote in polls.
- if he keeps spamming, he's banned
- if not, after some time he will lose its status.

M3ntal
1 Feb 2003, 00:40
I don't think it's that big an issue. Over-use of word filtering functions just ends up with a forum that censors out so much that you can't understand the posts any more. Look at the cl2k forum for instance, it doesn't even let you post the letters "r" or "u" singly.

UnKnown X
1 Feb 2003, 11:08
IF the forum gets many spammers, you could make a back room where only non-spammers can come in. Like Worms 3 Back room or something lke that.actually, team17 uses a much better solution:
- whenever a spammer is found, he gets a Being Watched status, which forbids him to access the user cp, create threads and vote in polls.
- if he keeps spamming, he's banned
- if not, after some time he will lose its status.
Yes, that is a good idea, but IF the forum gets a hundred spammers, t17 will use lots of time setting them to watch mode (unless its automatic, i doubt that). Then we could have those back rooms, intelligent posters can join, stupid spammers can't.

APJ
3 Feb 2003, 18:53
Suggestion 1: Would it be possible to make a hack for this forum that ommits anyone's signiture if they have already posted at least once in the thread you are viewing.
i would like to implement this feature, but I am not doing any hack on vb2, as vb3 is so near being released.
Suggestion 2: Perhaps a [MONOSPACED] tag that changes the font to Courier New. This would be useful for typing out "tables".
very easy to do this, I'll add it onto my list to do soon.
Suggestion 3:Please could allow us access to view our own content-to-post ratio, in our User Details page. I know it's poitnless really, but hey ;)
The script required to produce that info was rather large and I can't see it making it to this forum, sorry.

PsyDome
3 Feb 2003, 18:55
Suggestion 2: Perhaps a [MONOSPACED] tag that changes the font to Courier New. This would be useful for typing out "tables".
also known as [code] for displaying php-code and such

Kjatte
3 Feb 2003, 18:56
Can you make a hack or something wich enables us to view forum members post count on a list?

SomePerson
4 Feb 2003, 05:30
Doesn't this already exist?*Normal size*It's a little big though, I'll shrink it down a bit.
edit: err...this defeats the purpose... Shrinking makes it normal.

thomasp
4 Feb 2003, 17:29
show me 5 recent examples of this, and I will create a hack to stop it being done...
I've found one example: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&postid=70333#post70333
Can you make a hack or something wich enables us to view forum members post count on a list?
Click on the "Members" button in the button bar at the top of the page. There is a list of all the members with their respective post counts.

UnKnown X
4 Feb 2003, 19:03
Idea for the forum = Make a forum games room!

Star Worms
4 Feb 2003, 21:28
Most peole would just want to read the last page having read the other pages so I don't think it matters too much

UnKnown X
5 Feb 2003, 13:52
Idea for the forum = Make a forum games room! Hmm... do you mean a room where we can organise to play games over WormNET? If that's what you mean, good idea! If it is made, the thread titles should be the time / place of the game, e.g.
Actually that's not what I meant, but that's also a very good idea!
I thought of something like; people make games, like 'the never ending story', 'would you rather...', 'internet scavenger hunt' + + +
Here comes some bad examples of games:
Person 1: One day I walked down the street and....
Person 2: ... got shot in the head by...
Person 3: ... Boggy B, then I told him to...
Person 4: ... shoot me in the rear instead.
etc.
Person 1: Would you rather...
kill 10 of your best friends
or
kill 100 other random people?
Person 2: 100 people.
Would you rather...
eat 100 cups filled with snow
or
eat 20 toenails?
etc.

M3ntal
5 Feb 2003, 16:12
Suggestion 2: Perhaps a [MONOSPACED] tag that changes the font to Courier New. This would be useful for typing out "tables".
very easy to do this, I'll add it onto my list to do soon.
How about making it so we can use spacing/tabs? There have been a few times when i've drawn a nice little ASCII (sorry, Unicode) table or diagram, then posted, and had it all squash up due to the removal of the spacing.
Suggestion 3:Please could allow us access to view our own content-to-post ratio, in our User Details page. I know it's poitnless really, but hey ;)
The script required to produce that info was rather large and I can't see it making it to this forum, sorry.
SELECT name, LENGTH(content)/num_of_posts AS ratio
FROM forum f
WHERE f.name="Test Zero"
No?
Edit: I know this would only give a ratio of characters per post rather than words per post, and only on a simple table, but that took me all of 30 seconds.

APJ
5 Feb 2003, 16:18
SELECT name, LENGTH(content)/num_of_posts AS ratio
FROM forum f
WHERE f.name="Test Zero"
No?
Edit: I know this would only give a ratio of characters per post rather than words per post, and only on a simple table, but that took me all of 30 seconds.
not quite that easy due to the arrangement of VB's db tables, but your're not far off. Still, there is more important things to do at the moment, sorry!

M3ntal
5 Feb 2003, 16:31
Hey, i'm only 6 posts behind you APJ ;)

M3ntal
6 Feb 2003, 18:22
Suggestion: How about under...
Registered: December 2002
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 97
... why not have...
Occupation:
? Because most of the people on this forum are still in school/college?

AndrewTaylor
6 Feb 2003, 19:46
"Affiliation:"
Lightside/Darkside/Brightside/Giraffe/Roper/Whatever...

Star Worms
6 Feb 2003, 21:26
Great idea AndrewTaylor! But then everyone would have to send an email of what they want it to be, APJ may be frustrated as he gets tons of emails already

SargeMcCluck
6 Feb 2003, 21:41
Great idea AndrewTaylor! But then everyone would have to send an email of what they want it to be, APJ may be frustrated as he gets tons of emails already
No, you change it on your profile.
Just like on some vB forums, if it's enabled you can change your user title.

Star Worms
6 Feb 2003, 22:09
as long as it's from a drop down list or else people will be putting other thing in it like:
Affiliation:The best wormer in the world

SomePerson
8 Feb 2003, 07:10
Suggestion: Could you increase the avatar size limit to 60 x 60 pixels? This would make it easier when using animations from the game ( http://www.yoda.arachsys.com/worms/wa/ ) because they wouldn't have to be cropped / resized.
Come on, it would hurt to have an extra 1100 pixels, would it? :) Cropping is easy, if you're having technical problems with your art program, I can easily crop it. Just keep it to another thread.;)

BetongÅsna
8 Feb 2003, 22:31
Suggestion: I have noticed that in the MEMBERS page there are looooooaads of people who have been registered for months but not posted once! Shouldn't they have their account removed? The only reason for this being that the unused account could have a username that someone else wants. One example of this is XScorpionX (if I remember correctly which i don't do often :)).
Yeh, i brought this up on another thread a while back. i'll try to dig it up for you.

SupSuper
9 Feb 2003, 13:33
Yet another suggestion :) : How about a [line] tag that simply makes a horizontal line acoss the post, similar to the ones used when the [ QUOTE ] tag is used.
This would be useful if I was commenting on more than one thing in a post - I could use the horizontal line to split the two+ subjects. you mean a tag that would do the same as the <hr> tag? yeah, that's a nice idea

SargeMcCluck
9 Feb 2003, 20:00
Yet another suggestion :) : How about a [line] tag that simply makes a horizontal line acoss the post, similar to the ones used when the [ QUOTE ] tag is used.
This would be useful if I was commenting on more than one thing in a post - I could use the horizontal line to split the two+ subjects.
so a <hr> in HTML code.
Sounds good. Easy for APJ to do too.

UnKnown X
11 Feb 2003, 09:20
But when I edit my posts, the Topic Review (Newest First) table isn't there. Please could you alter the forum (if you are not already doing so) so that the table is there?
Yeh, it's irritating when the Topic Review (Newest First) table isn't there (... deja vú? ;))...

Pickleworm
11 Feb 2003, 11:47
Yet another suggestion :) : How about a [line] tag that simply makes a horizontal line acoss the post, similar to the ones used when the [ QUOTE ] tag is used.
This would be useful if I was commenting on more than one thing in a post - I could use the horizontal line to split the two+ subjects.
couple-o-underscores and ur set.
__________________________________________________
as long as it's from a drop down list or else people will be putting other thing in it like:
Affiliation:The best wormer in the world
I wanted Affiliation: Poopsmith

Paul.Power
11 Feb 2003, 12:36
'the never ending story',We already do something similar with the Worms Stories, although they do always end (eventually)

M3ntal
12 Feb 2003, 15:58
I find it irritating when i spend too long reading a thread or typing a reply, and by the time i've done it, every post on the board has flagged itself as having been read by me, so i don't actually know which topics have had replies since i was last here. Can you please put the timeout up a bit?

SomePerson
12 Feb 2003, 23:52
ANOTHER suggestion: Why not add Paul.Power's Unofficial Forum FAQ v2.1 and/or Worm Mad's Worms 3 FAQ to the FAQ's (http://forum.team17.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=45) page? Good idea.
Who's 'Support'?:confused:

SargeMcCluck
13 Feb 2003, 11:04
I find it irritating when i spend too long reading a thread or typing a reply, and by the time i've done it, every post on the board has flagged itself as having been read by me, so i don't actually know which topics have had replies since i was last here. Can you please put the timeout up a bit?
I use middle click (Tabbed browsing) and open every thread at once :)
I love tabbed browsing.

APJ
13 Feb 2003, 11:23
I keep the 'view new posts' window open, and read the new posts in new window by using shift-click. Much easier way of keeping track of where you are upto than using 1 browser window.

thomasp
13 Feb 2003, 17:28
I keep the 'view new posts' window open, and read the new posts in new window by using shift-click. Much easier way of keeping track of where you are upto than using 1 browser window.
Or command-click if you are a mac user ;)
Is there any way of having it so as when you are on the"View new posts" page, clicking on a link opens up a new window?

MtlAngelus
13 Feb 2003, 18:41
well, since APJ said we should make comments about the newly organised forum, here are my opinions:
it's good to see all organised!
but, now i'm confused cause everything has been splitted and the threads have been moved
anyway, it's better this way

SargeMcCluck
13 Feb 2003, 20:11
Here's a pic of Tabbed Browsing. It sooo rules.
As for the forum - I like the new way, it makes much more sense. Glad there is an FAQ page now, much better.

M3ntal
13 Feb 2003, 21:21
Looks like Mozilla to me.

WormZ
13 Feb 2003, 22:13
with alex, it would be mozilla...
he talks about its superiority to IE all the time, even though most web site developers start by designing for ie, then netscape, then 'other' ;)

SargeMcCluck
13 Feb 2003, 22:48
with alex, it would be mozilla...
he talks about its superiority to IE all the time, even though most web site developers start by designing for ie, then netscape, then 'other' ;)
Mozilla is essentially Netscape. Anything that is Netscape compatible will be usable on Mozilla, and vice-versa.
And IE does suck. It has far too many vulnerabilities imo. But lets not get into this dispute now - I can talk about Non-Microsoft being better for hours...

MtlAngelus
14 Feb 2003, 02:06
another suggestion a have to make is to delete all the users who don't use the forumi mean, everyday like 5 or 6 ppl joins the forum
i think this was suggested already
i mean, the don't have to register to see what's in the forum
you can check it as a guest
and, they should have a section that allows guests to post questions, cause many ppl joins and asks like 2 q's then stop using their user

BetongÅsna
15 Feb 2003, 01:14
another suggestion a have to make is to delete all the users who don't use the forumi mean, everyday like 5 or 6 ppl joins the forum
i think this was suggested already
i mean, the don't have to register to see what's in the forum
you can check it as a guest
and, they should have a section that allows guests to post questions, cause many ppl joins and asks like 2 q's then stop using their user
ya, i mentioned that somewhere. They (APJ i think) said that they make no difference to loading times or anything like that. Nonetheless, it would be good to have a proper members page. Even if they won't delete the accounts, they could make a sort of "active members" page.

Crazysheep
15 Feb 2003, 11:21
I would like an off topic forum, for things non worm related.

UnKnown X
15 Feb 2003, 11:23
another suggestion a have to make is to delete all the users who don't use the forumi mean, everyday like 5 or 6 ppl joins the forum
i think this was suggested already
i mean, the don't have to register to see what's in the forum
you can check it as a guest
and, they should have a section that allows guests to post questions, cause many ppl joins and asks like 2 q's then stop using their user
I mentioned that i think, there are 2000 - 3000 members without anyposts!!!!
Edit: Last time i checked there were 2003 members without posts.

MtlAngelus
15 Feb 2003, 15:49
I would like an off topic forum, for things non worm related.
then go to other forum....
JK:p
i would like that too, maybe they could do it like the xmas competition one that did not added posts to your post count
edit: i typed thit instead did

BetongÅsna
15 Feb 2003, 23:40
I like that idea too. Can we have a comment from Team17 please?

M3ntal
16 Feb 2003, 14:19
I've just had an idea that i thought was worth posting here. When the wormnet logins return, how about as well as this fourm telling you who is browsing it, it could also tell you who is on wormnet in relation to their forum name. Just put a new option in the profile section of this forum to enter your wormnet username, and link them.

BetongÅsna
16 Feb 2003, 19:18
Like a mini-snooper on the forum?

UnKnown X
17 Feb 2003, 16:03
Suggestion: T17, you know that list on the bottom of the page that shows who's online. Can you make something similar to each forum, like who's browsing it?
If you don't understand what I mean, go here (www.smashboards.com) and go to any room and check on the above the list of threads, there you'll see who's browsing that forum.
I don't know why i would want thatk though, nothing special about it... :p

APJ
17 Feb 2003, 16:06
Suggestion: T17, you know that list on the bottom of the page that shows who's online. Can you make something similar to each forum, like who's browsing it?
that's included in VB3, so it'll appear when we upgrade.

thomasp
17 Feb 2003, 17:43
Suggestion: T17, you know that list on the bottom of the page that shows who's online. Can you make something similar to each forum, like who's browsing it?
that's included in VB3, so it'll appear when we upgrade.
Isn't that already included in vB2.2.9 (current version). APJ, if you want me to show you an example, e-mail me, as I don't want to go around advertising forums (no use going to the one I always say, it has closed)
Also, do you think you could disable the 'feature' that means when someone votes in a poll, the thread appears in the "New Posts" list - this is annoying when someone votes in a 6 month old poll.

SomePerson
17 Feb 2003, 20:17
Suggestion: T17, you know that list on the bottom of the page that shows who's online. Can you make something similar to each forum, like who's browsing it?It's already there at the top right of each sub-forum.Also, do you think you could disable the 'feature' that means when someone votes in a poll, the thread appears in the "New Posts" list - this is annoying when someone votes in a 6 month old poll.I've also notied some old threads have recently been revived.:p

SomePerson
17 Feb 2003, 22:37
Because in some vBulletin forums guests can post, I think...

SupSuper
18 Feb 2003, 12:10
they should have a section that allows guests to post questions, cause many ppl joins and asks like 2 q's then stop using their userYeah, that'd be a good idea. But wait... I don't understand this (read the non-small bold text:
Automatically parse URLs: automatically adds [ url ] and [ /url ] around internet addresses.
Email Notification: emails sent to you whenever someone replies. Only registered users are eligible.
Disable Smilies in This Post
Show Signature: include your profile signature. Only registered users may have signatures.
Why does it say that, if unregistered users can't even post?! because that's vbulletin's default text.
although most vbulletin forums only allow registered users to post, you can always allow guests to do it.

Star Worms
18 Feb 2003, 22:37
If guests were allowed to post, there would be no members

SupSuper
18 Feb 2003, 23:00
If guests were allowed to post, there would be no members not exactly. remember that guests don't even get half the features a registered member gets. still, i rahter let guests just read posts, not post posts ;)

BetongÅsna
18 Feb 2003, 23:03
It would get reaaly irritating if guests could post - loads of people who don't care would come on to generally be **** holes.

MtlAngelus
19 Feb 2003, 03:34
i meant making a guest forum, because many time they just have 1 question, so they register and ask, they get answer and don't use their user again
so in that forum, a guest can ask a question, and everything that's not a question gets deleted

thomasp
19 Feb 2003, 17:25
Also, if guests were allowed to post, there would be no controlling what got posted - we would have to go back to the 'every post being moderated before it is displayed' system, which almost killed this board in October 2001.
As we are now, if someone is disobeying the posting rules, then APJ can do an IP ban, and providing their ISP isn't changing their IP address every time the offending member connects, they cannot return.

Madmaxquinn
20 Feb 2003, 00:41
I have to admit I haven' read this thread all the way through, so I appologise in advance, in case someone else has mentioned this before.
Could a mailing list be set up to
a) send us emails when announcements appear in
Team17 Forum > Team17 > Announcements
b) when the W2, W:A, WWP & WB websites have been updated
c) Any other useful info such a WormNet downtimes and that sort of thing.
That way we can keep on top of things.
Thanks.

APJ
20 Feb 2003, 09:44
Could a mailing list be set up to
a) send us emails when announcements appear in
Team17 Forum > Team17 > Announcements
b) when the W2, W:A, WWP & WB websites have been updated
c) Any other useful info such a WormNet downtimes and that sort of thing.
That way we can keep on top of things.
The facility to subscribe to a forum is in your user account. Just click the 'subscribe' button next to the 'new thread' button in the forum you want to subscribe to!
So if you subscribe to the forum, you will then get an e-mail when a new thread has been posted and no doubt (like the thread e-mails) will not recieve any more until you visit that forum.
I'm looking for a way to include the website update scripts into the forum in a new section or thread, so you could subscribe to that to know when a site has been updated.
Wormnet downtimes will appear in the Wormnet forum.

thomasp
20 Feb 2003, 11:19
The facility to subscribe to a forum is in your user account. Just click the 'subscribe' button next to the 'new thread' button in the forum you want to subscribe to!
So if you subscribe to the forum, you will then get an e-mail when a new thread has been posted and no doubt (like the thread e-mails) will not recieve any more until you visit that forum.
Do you?
I've subscribed to the announcements forum and have never, ever recieved an e-mail about a new thread being posted.
Is this a problem with the scripting in the forum, or my computer?

Madmaxquinn
20 Feb 2003, 11:32
Could a mailing list be set up to
a) send us emails when announcements appear in
Team17 Forum > Team17 > Announcements
b) when the W2, W:A, WWP & WB websites have been updated
c) Any other useful info such a WormNet downtimes and that sort of thing.
That way we can keep on top of things.
The facility to subscribe to a forum is in your user account. Just click the 'subscribe' button next to the 'new thread' button in the forum you want to subscribe to!
So if you subscribe to the forum, you will then get an e-mail when a new thread has been posted and no doubt (like the thread e-mails) will not recieve any more until you visit that forum.
I'm looking for a way to include the website update scripts into the forum in a new section or thread, so you could subscribe to that to know when a site has been updated.
Wormnet downtimes will appear in the Wormnet forum.
Ok, I subscribed to the announcements. But I think it would be better to have downtimes, patch updates etc all together. If I were to subscribe to the wormnet forum, I'd be getting updates about everything else too (people complaing about their game crashing and what-not). I don't really want that.
I once used to use a third party website that monitored webpages and emailed me when they changed. It no longer works because of the way the pages are created. But I'm sure there is some other third party out their that offers a similar facility or could at least help you implement the changes you mentioned :)
I'm looking for a way to include the website update scripts into the forum in a new section or thread, so you could subscribe to that to know when a site has been updated.

APJ
20 Feb 2003, 11:38
I've subscribed to the announcements forum and have never, ever recieved an e-mail about a new thread being posted.
Is this a problem with the scripting in the forum, or my computer?
sorry, my mistake. Subscribing to a forum only adds it to your user CP, it doesn't mail. VB3 fixes this though.

thomasp
20 Feb 2003, 12:51
I've subscribed to the announcements forum and have never, ever recieved an e-mail about a new thread being posted.
Is this a problem with the scripting in the forum, or my computer?
sorry, my mistake. Subscribing to a forum only adds it to your user CP, it doesn't mail. VB3 fixes this though.
OK, no probs. Any idea when vB3 is coming out?
Also, would it be possible to incorporate a "Quick Reply" feature to the forum (I've seen this on other vB forums). This is basically a text box under the thread that allows you to reply to a thread without having to click the "Post reply" button. It would be very useful for those of us who are on slow connections.

APJ
20 Feb 2003, 12:55
OK, no probs. Any idea when vB3 is coming out?
no, sorry. They are starting private testing soon, then public testing. I'll probably wait until there is a stable release candidate before upgrading.
Also, would it be possible to incorporate a "Quick Reply" feature to the forum?
I think VB3 has that facility, and I'll consider using it.

BetongÅsna
21 Feb 2003, 01:19
I think VB3 has that facility, and I'll consider using it.
But thomas said that he'd seen it on other vB forums. Surely it must already be out?

APJ
21 Feb 2003, 10:15
But thomas said that he'd seen it on other vB forums. Surely it must already be out?
As a hack, yes, but I'm not applying any hacks as vb3 will be out soon and adding hacks at this stage is a waste of time.

thomasp
21 Feb 2003, 11:33
This forum I was talking about has very recently been set up (like last week); because an old one closed down. That is probably why the code has been hacked.

BetongÅsna
21 Feb 2003, 21:22
But thomas said that he'd seen it on other vB forums. Surely it must already be out?
As a hack, yes, but I'm not applying any hacks as vb3 will be out soon and adding hacks at this stage is a waste of time.
Ah, I see.
Ok then.

Kjatte
26 Feb 2003, 13:09
I have a suggestion. When you instert too many smilies in a post then they can be converted into these kind of smilies if possible:
:-)
;-)
: -/
:-P
:-(
If not then they can be removed.

Madmaxquinn
26 Feb 2003, 14:32
I've just had an idea that i thought was worth posting here. When the wormnet logins return, how about as well as this fourm telling you who is browsing it, it could also tell you who is on wormnet in relation to their forum name. Just put a new option in the profile section of this forum to enter your wormnet username, and link them.
But surely your WormNet login details will be the same as your forum details. Bit of waste of time having two lots of details. And for those people with multiple alias', well I just don't trust you!

M3ntal
27 Feb 2003, 17:33
But surely your WormNet login details will be the same as your forum details. Bit of waste of time having two lots of details. And for those people with multiple alias', well I just don't trust you! A lot of people have clan tags on the end of their name on wormnet, but not in this forum.

Madmaxquinn
27 Feb 2003, 18:14
But surely your WormNet login details will be the same as your forum details. Bit of waste of time having two lots of details. And for those people with multiple alias', well I just don't trust you! A lot of people have clan tags on the end of their name on wormnet, but not in this forum.
True, but when you are playing on AM, Pro or Elite forums you are ranking up points for yourself, not the clan. Maybe there should be an option to add your clan name or initials (so they can be appended to your username). If Clans are as big as they used to be, then there should be a dedicated room or server. That way individual clans can rank up points for themselves and their members, but not affect individual wormers stats. So that way you have one username/pw for wormnet & forums. Too ranking systems, one for each worm, and one for clans and clan worms. Simpler, neater and much more interesting. Especially for someone like me who is a One Worm Clan.

BetongÅsna
1 Mar 2003, 09:14
Here's an idea
What if, when a post is invalid (too many smiles etc), the text is still in the box. There's nothing more irritating that losing a big post that way (and forgetting to copy it)

SomePerson
1 Mar 2003, 09:21
Here's an idea
What if, when a post is invalid (too many smiles etc), the text is still in the box. There's nothing more irritating that losing a big post that way (and forgetting to copy it) Strange. When I click 'Back' the text stays.:confused: When I get kicked off-line, I can also click that down arrow that lets me go to my recently visited sites, click the most recent one, and continue my post... Maybe aol is worth keeping.:rolleyes:

thomasp
1 Mar 2003, 11:47
Here's an idea
What if, when a post is invalid (too many smiles etc), the text is still in the box. There's nothing more irritating that losing a big post that way (and forgetting to copy it)
Ahh, the wonders of owning a Mac :) I've never had that problem.
What browser are you using?
There should be somewhere in your prefs that allows you to cache stuff like that. Try increasing your cache size and see if that helps.

SargeMcCluck
2 Mar 2003, 18:24
Here's an idea
What if, when a post is invalid (too many smiles etc), the text is still in the box. There's nothing more irritating that losing a big post that way (and forgetting to copy it)
Ahh, the wonders of owning a Mac :) I've never had that problem.
What browser are you using?
There should be somewhere in your prefs that allows you to cache stuff like that. Try increasing your cache size and see if that helps.
It's an IE thing. I used to have it, but now that I'm on Mozilla it doesn't happen. More proof that IE should be burnt.

Madmaxquinn
2 Mar 2003, 21:29
I'd argue that IE 6 is better than any browser based on mozilla/netscape, but I'd rather keep this post on topic...

SargeMcCluck
2 Mar 2003, 22:18
I'd argue that IE 6 is better than any browser based on mozilla/netscape, but I'd rather keep this post on topic...
Because it's security hole riddled? Because it allows silly people to make IE-Only scripts so that some people can't visit their site? Because it's unstable?
As for the original topic - APJ, the width of the reply box on Netscape Navigator 6.0 in the forum style is set too small. On CL2K I set it to 55, it's much wider and is the correct size compared to the IE one.

Madmaxquinn
3 Mar 2003, 08:17
/me said this elsewhere but feels he ought to mention it here. He subscribed to announcement forum but gets no updates. Also, 'bout the new update froum:
a) including the year in the date would be good (easier to locate stuff, easier to read)
b) /me thinks that the newest updates should be at the top because it saves us scrolling down pages and pages of updates and because again it looks neater, imo

APJ
3 Mar 2003, 09:45
/me said this elsewhere but feels he ought to mention it here. He subscribed to announcement forum but gets no updates. Also, 'bout the new update froum:
I answered this where you asked it previously.
a) including the year in the date would be good (easier to locate stuff, easier to read)
yes, ok, I thought that too, but haven't had time to do that yet.
b) /me thinks that the newest updates should be at the top because it saves us scrolling down pages and pages of updates and because again it looks neater, imo
It just using the normal thread layout - ie newest post at the bottom. This can be altered with a hack, but I am not hacking VB2

APJ
3 Mar 2003, 09:47
Here's an idea
What if, when a post is invalid (too many smiles etc), the text is still in the box. There's nothing more irritating that losing a big post that way (and forgetting to copy it)
That's a browser issue. It doesn't happen to me on IE6 (win/mac), Opera or Netscape

Madmaxquinn
3 Mar 2003, 11:02
/me said this elsewhere but feels he ought to mention it here. He subscribed to announcement forum but gets no updates. Also, 'bout the new update froum:
I answered this where you asked it previously.
Ta
a) including the year in the date would be good (easier to locate stuff, easier to read)
yes, ok, I thought that too, but haven't had time to do that yet.
Cool.
b) /me thinks that the newest updates should be at the top because it saves us scrolling down pages and pages of updates and because again it looks neater, imo
It just using the normal thread layout - ie newest post at the bottom. This can be altered with a hack, but I am not hacking VB2
Fair point, will the newer of VB allow you to add this, as an option maybe? Or are you sticking to VB2?

APJ
3 Mar 2003, 11:13
Fair point, will the newer of VB allow you to add this, as an option maybe? Or are you sticking to VB2?
I will be upgrading to VB3, not sure if it has reverse thread listing on a per-forum basis, but I'll write a hack if it hasn't

Madmaxquinn
3 Mar 2003, 14:12
I will be upgrading to VB3, not sure if it has reverse thread listing on a per-forum basis, but I'll write a hack if it hasn't
Cleaver chap:D
Just thought of another idea whilst sitting on me throne.
How about some sort of digest, say daily, weekly or montly (could be an option) that tells us what new posts there are, as well as hot posts, and the editor's choice?

PsyDome
3 Mar 2003, 15:35
how about letting people with +500 posts enter their own cutsom statuses?
if not, can you change my status "back" to Senior, APJ?

thomasp
3 Mar 2003, 19:05
how about letting people with +500 posts enter their own cutsom statuses??
Think of the spamming!
Better to have custom statuses based on time registered.

PsyDome
3 Mar 2003, 20:00
how about letting people with +500 posts enter their own cutsom statuses??
Think of the spamming!
Better to have custom statuses based on time registered. i dont think there'd be more spamming than what goes on now... and if someone is suspected of spamming, just take away 100 from their postcount

M3ntal
5 Mar 2003, 09:24
Is it me, or didn't there used to be a "view first unread post" option or something similar on here?

APJ
5 Mar 2003, 09:45
Is it me, or didn't there used to be a "view first unread post" option or something similar on here?
there still is, at the top under the white bar 'Go to first unread post'

UnKnown X
5 Mar 2003, 16:24
APJ, can you make a glowing blue text like on the infogrames forum?
Here is the site: http://www.ina-community.com/forums/index.php?

Kjatte
5 Mar 2003, 16:27
NO! OH GOD NO! :p

UnKnown X
5 Mar 2003, 16:28
NO! OH GOD NO! :p
Uhm, why not, and you don't have to over react :p

Kjatte
5 Mar 2003, 16:30
APJ, you should put the date and time of post like this:
19:30 March 4 2003
Instead of
March 4 2003 19:00

PsyDome
5 Mar 2003, 21:26
Ok, one more try APJ...
can you change my status to Senior?

Madmaxquinn
5 Mar 2003, 21:36
Ok, one more try APJ...
can you change my status to Senior?
Can't remember the thread, but I'm sure he said something along the lines of everyone's forum status will reflect their wormnet status [when the rankings on W:A return or when he starts using VB3]. Can't you just wait? He probably gets hundereds of requests like this. Don't think he can deal with them all on an individual basis.
I'm definitely no Noob, but I'll wait. I'd also like to be Elite, Old Skool, or something, but hey it's only a title.

PsyDome
6 Mar 2003, 00:39
Can't remember the thread, but I'm sure he said something along the lines of everyone's forum status will reflect their wormnet status [when the rankings on W:A return or when he starts using VB3]. Can't you just wait? He probably gets hundereds of requests like this. Don't think he can deal with them all on an individual basis.
I'm definitely no Noob, but I'll wait. I'd also like to be Elite, Old Skool, or something, but hey it's only a title. he sure took the time to change mine to Team 17 Fan (just cause i won a tournament... and how on earth could Team 17 Fan reflect the status on wormnet?
he does this all the time... why would my case be any different?
and no one has Elite or Old Skool (School) as a title here

PsyDome
6 Mar 2003, 00:47
will we be able to use the PM function any time soon? it's good for contacting members on the forums...

M3ntal
6 Mar 2003, 08:52
Is it me, or didn't there used to be a "view first unread post" option or something similar on here?
there still is, at the top under the white bar 'Go to first unread post' So it is.....
wierd, i'm sure that disappeared yesterday.

rambo_6
8 Mar 2003, 15:01
i hate fluorescent glowing colors... just make a simple blue or navy
________
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BetongÅsna
8 Mar 2003, 18:58
Is there not some kind of similar option already, like view subscribed posts or something? I've never really thought of looking.

kamikazeee
8 Mar 2003, 19:35
i hate those 2 stikky threads in the w3 forum that are always at the top even when nobody answers them in a year. :(

PsyDome
10 Mar 2003, 09:58
Ok, one more try APJ...
can you change my status to Senior? i'm still waiting...

wormsfreak
10 Mar 2003, 10:54
Why i'm i being watched?:(
And for how long?

Madmaxquinn
10 Mar 2003, 13:41
Why i'm i being watched?:(
And for how long?
Well you are a wormsfreak ...!

wormsfreak
10 Mar 2003, 13:54
That doesn't answer my question.

APJ
10 Mar 2003, 14:01
I have placed you on 'watched' status for starting a unusually high amount of threads (most of which had 0 replies) since you registered.
This is our way of monitoring your posts and limiting potential forum 'spammers'. If you do post proficiently in the future, we will remove your 'watched' status - which is usually within a week!

Madmaxquinn
10 Mar 2003, 14:09
I have placed you on 'watched' status for starting a unusually high amount of threads (most of which had 0 replies) since you registered.
This is our way of monitoring your posts and limiting potential forum 'spammers'. If you do post proficiently in the future, we will remove your 'watched' status - which is usually within a week!
So someone like me who is naturally argumentative and inquisitive better watch out and post topics with specific questions? I see, thanks for clearing that up APJ

wormsfreak
10 Mar 2003, 15:40
If you get banned, can you re-register?

APJ
10 Mar 2003, 15:43
Why would we allow someone back after banning them? What would be the point of banning them in the first place?

UnKnown X
10 Mar 2003, 15:50
But i guess that you won't always get a permanent ban, only if heavy spam :-/

PsyDome
10 Mar 2003, 16:20
sooo... how about that Senior status?
i'll even give my Team 17 Fan-status away! to whoever wants it!

SargeMcCluck
10 Mar 2003, 16:26
sooo... how about that Senior status?
i'll even give my Team 17 Fan-status away! to whoever wants it!
MEMEMEME :)
(Assuming it's ok with APJ)

PsyDome
10 Mar 2003, 16:29
MEMEMEME :)
(Assuming it's ok with APJ) i sure hope it is... :)

wormsfreak
10 Mar 2003, 16:31
When did i get this status, i just saw it this morning.:confused:

APJ
10 Mar 2003, 16:46
sooo... how about that Senior status?
i'll even give my Team 17 Fan-status away! to whoever wants it! Custom status' are given to the deserving and to want to give yours away is plan rude.When did i get this status, i just saw it this morning.:confused: This morning

Kjatte
10 Mar 2003, 16:49
I think i deserve it since i talk with you so much! :p

thomasp
10 Mar 2003, 17:23
While we are on the subject of statuses and banning, I've noticed that APJ has polished his 'Rod of Banning', and has given the prized status of 'Banned' to SoulHunter, who spammed the Worms3 forum over the weekend. nice one APJ!
Purely for the sake of being incredibly nosy, would it be possible in vB3 (or before if you want, APJ) to have some kind of Forum news/announcement sub-forum, where yourself and other mods/admin can post recent updates/upgrades to the forum and a list of people recently banned/put on being watched status and a reason, so as the people in question can refer to it instead of posting in threads "why am I being watched?". This way, forum related annoucements wouldn't clutter up the "Team17 announcements'' forum as well.

wormsfreak
10 Mar 2003, 17:29
I agree with thomasp!
Can you also mention when people with being watched status
will get their regular status.

PsyDome
10 Mar 2003, 19:58
Custom status' are given to the deserving and to want to give yours away is plan rude.hmpf, ok... well, just take it away and i'll be glad...

MtlAngelus
10 Mar 2003, 20:13
just to know, APJ, why did i got "being watched" status long time ago?
i never spammed!

M3ntal
11 Mar 2003, 09:56
APJ, when viewing this forum from Sun Solaris Unix using Netscape 4.76 the font is too small to read. The edit boxes are fine, but the forum text is about 6pt. Just thought i'd let you know :)

Run
11 Mar 2003, 10:10
Custom status' are given to the deserving and to want to give yours away is plan rude.hmpf, ok... well, just take it away and i'll be glad...
Psydome, why don't you do what others do, and write ''Senior Member'' in your avatar? I'm sure APJ won't complain, as it a valid status.

APJ
11 Mar 2003, 10:50
APJ, when viewing this forum from Sun Solaris Unix using Netscape 4.76 the font is too small to read. The edit boxes are fine, but the forum text is about 6pt. Just thought i'd let you know :)
YHM! (you have e-mail...)

PsyDome
11 Mar 2003, 16:29
Psydome, why don't you do what others do, and write ''Senior Member'' in your avatar? I'm sure APJ won't complain, as it a valid status. or, he could remove this status :)
grrrr... just cause i won some competition... STUPID!

APJ
11 Mar 2003, 16:34
why are you so keen at removing the special 'Team 17 fan' status in replacement of simple and common 'Senior'?

Madmaxquinn
11 Mar 2003, 16:42
why are you so keen at removing the special 'Team 17 fan' status in replacement of simple and common 'Senior'?
I'll happily wait for my (old) wormnet status to be reflected here as well as the type of player I am. I think being called Old Skool isn't far off from the truth, but it does kinda contradict my views on how the Worms series should progress. Oh well, Contradiction is my middle name.

PsyDome
11 Mar 2003, 22:15
why are you so keen at removing the special 'Team 17 fan' status in replacement of simple and common 'Senior'? 'cause i simply don't want a custom status if i can't alter it myself
and since it's not a bad status (like being watched), why should i be forced to have it?

Star Worms
11 Mar 2003, 22:19
You could ask for both to be on there:)

UnKnown X
12 Mar 2003, 09:16
Idea: Ppl with custom status should have a checkbox(?) where they can switch between having that custom status or not.

Madmaxquinn
12 Mar 2003, 15:17
I've just come from another thread where someone kindly replied in Spanish when the rest of the thread was in English. Anyway you could add a translate button that links/ties in with something like Altavista's babelfish? I know it's not perfect but at least I might understand what the poor chap was saying!

MtlAngelus
12 Mar 2003, 15:19
Idea: Ppl with custom status should have a checkbox(?) where they can switch between having that custom status or not.
better idea: make the custom statuses custom
APJ, you didn't answer my question... why was i being watched?

APJ
12 Mar 2003, 16:41
I've just come from another thread where someone kindly replied in Spanish when the rest of the thread was in English. Anyway you could add a translate button that links/ties in with something like Altavista's babelfish? I know it's not perfect but at least I might understand what the poor chap was saying! In accordance with the rules http://forum.team17.co.uk/misc.php?s=&action=faq "Posts containing languages other than English may be removed."
We don't allow non-english posts as we can't moderate them, so no need for a translator.
And MtlAngelus, I can't really remember why you were on watched status... I seem to remember it was something to do with a discussion on a pirate copies of our games a long time ago.

MtlAngelus
12 Mar 2003, 17:14
In accordance with the rules http://forum.team17.co.uk/misc.php?s=&action=faq "Posts containing languages other than English may be removed."
We don't allow non-english posts as we can't moderate them, so no need for a translator.
And MtlAngelus, I can't really remember why you were on watched status... I seem to remember it was something to do with a discussion on a pirate copies of our games a long time ago.
ah, sorry for that
anyway, I can Moderate the Spanish posts:o :p
jk

UnKnown X
12 Mar 2003, 17:20
I (and maybe Kjatte) can moderate norwegian :p j/k

MtlAngelus
12 Mar 2003, 17:24
APJ, you can make another forum for "other languages" and have some of us moderate it!
it's just an idea, but i think it's a good one!
cause there are a lot of peoplewho can't speak english well, and they have they're own Q's, too

thomasp
12 Mar 2003, 18:39
APJ, would it be possible to insert the thread title into the title of the window?
So instead of it saying...
The official Team17 Forum - Internet Explorer
... it would say, (for this thread)...
The official Team17 Forum - team17 forum comments / suggestions - Internet Explorer"
I think that would be a really good idea, as I have up to five windows open at once (one with new posts, four with threads), and that way I can see if a thread is worth viewing (from the title) if I have accidentally opened it, or if I have posted in a thread and can't be bothered to wait for it to completely load.
Another vB 2.2.9 forum has this feature, but I think it may only be a hack. It might be worth having a browse through the Admin Prefs window, APJ.
BTW, PsyDome, I like your new status:
Ungrateful
Team17 fan
Senior
Very nice!

Madmaxquinn
12 Mar 2003, 18:45
BTW, PsyDome, I like your new status:
Ungrateful
Team17 fan
Senior
Very nice!
I agree, it deserves him right for being so rude ;) I hope APJ keeps it like that for a while!

MtlAngelus
12 Mar 2003, 18:49
lol! Ungratefull Team 17 fan, Senior...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
lol!
good one, APJ!!!
HAHAHAHA!

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