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hardbrosLW
6 Nov 2009, 22:52
Is it possible to run Worms Armageddon without a CD? I installed the game and it worked fine, but then I lost my CD, and now it won't run.

CyberShadow
6 Nov 2009, 23:01
The game reads various data from the CD, so you can't make the game magically work if you lost your CD.

hardbrosLW
6 Nov 2009, 23:15
Is it possible to get the missing information from somewhere so that I can? Or is finding the disc my only choice to play the game again?

SgtFusion
8 Nov 2009, 01:48
Yes, or buying a new one.

CyberShadow
8 Nov 2009, 05:02
Mission information is not the only data that you'll find is missing. You'll need to get a new CD.

b1llygo4t
15 Nov 2009, 20:20
once you find your disc or buy a new one review this faq/guide http://worms2d.info/Running_WA_without_the_CD

KillerOh
16 Nov 2009, 01:21
Sorry, hardbrosLW, there's no way for you. Buy a new game, and Team17 Shop offers Worms 2 + Armageddon here (https://secure.team17.com/browse.html?area=detail&skuid=79) by £ 5.99. Too bad I've already paid almost the same price for Worms armageddon (Not Sold-out version) only... D=
More compilations here (https://secure.team17.com/browse.html?area=selection&productid=24&platform=PC/MAC), and the BIGGEST one (W2-WA-WWW-W3D-WF) here (https://secure.team17.com/browse.html?area=detail&skuid=89)
BTW, I personally do prefer a way to play the game without doing a CD-Image. Something like copying the CD files to the, say, "(Game folder)\\Data" folder and making the game load these files from there.
And I'm not talking about using cr... A-Hem, unnoficial NO-CD patches that NOT work, before people say I talked about "piracy". The most "working state" of a no-cd patched WA (and using an original, fully patched game) is playing the game without music (sometimes no sounds as well) and no landscape sprites in game menus. It sucks!

Explorer
16 Nov 2009, 12:30
Something like copying the CD files to the, say, "(Game folder)\\Data" folder and making the game load these files from there.
That doesn't mean you don't need the CD to play, does that?

KillerOh
18 Nov 2009, 03:44
That doesn't mean you don't need the CD to play, does that?
That's why I said "(...)a way to play the game without doing a CD-Image. Something like copying the CD files to the, say, "(Game folder)\\Data" folder and making the game load these files from there.(...)"
... Until I remember about the CD-checks! D=
Maybe in the next WA beta patch... =/
And too bad there aren't command-line, tiny (Not "D-tools-like") CD-driver emulators.

franpa
18 Nov 2009, 08:35
There's an excellent chance it will always require the CD to play while the game is still sold by T17. It's an anti-piracy measure.

KRD
18 Nov 2009, 09:44
And too bad there aren't command-line, tiny (Not "D-tools-like") CD-driver emulators.
Virtual CloneDrive (http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html) is a nice enough alternative, I've never had any problems with it and its barebones GUI.

franpa
18 Nov 2009, 10:37
Or, Alcohol 52% free edition or even FantomDVD which is what Alcohol 52% is based on >.> (interface wise, driver wise it is based on Daemon Tools)

KillerOh
20 Nov 2009, 12:53
There's an excellent chance it will always require the CD to play while the game is still sold by T17. It's an anti-piracy measure.
Actually, downloading the game, then suffering to "no-cd-ptching" it is a better way to convince anyone to be less greedy and buy your own piece of Armageddon ASAP.
Personal experience: In a time where the game wasn't avaliable in stores here in Brazil (Believe in me or not, I only saw the game a few years ago), I've tested (not downloaded. It's overkill at 56K connection) an... eh... "jack sparrow" version ONCE and by the last time. I expurgued that s*** from my PC. But God is Brazilian :D and the game appeared in the stores. Not the "budget release", but a "magazine" release here from Brazil that seems to be the "normal" (Guess UK version; includes portuguese language) version with one of the beta patches (not the actual one) included. Link is here (http://fullgames.com.br/revista-detalhe.asp?codprod=1062).
So, don't forget, kids: You can only have your own piece of armageddon if you actually pay for it. Plus, try to see the Team17 shop before paying it from physical stores. Team17 gave nice worms packages. Too bad I don't have an international credit card... I could buy 5 Worms games (https://secure.team17.com/browse.html?area=detail&skuid=89) with 75% of the money I could waste in any newest PC game! T-T
Oh, kinda off-topic, but these compilations have each game in their separated media, or all the games are fitted in a single DVD?
And about "command-line CD-rom emulators", that's why I'd like to see an beta patch that creates an ISO from your CD game (Maybe IMGburn. I've used Nero to make an ISO from my own and it worked), then making use of a "command line cd-rom emulator" to mount it. I'm sure that there's an tiny application (From russian, but english texts) that does it. It was used to "No-Cd patch" Need for Speed 2 Special Edition. Too bad I've lost the links, but as soon as I find it, I'll report any sucess. =)

DIMANATOR
7 Mar 2013, 07:08
I have a legit WA CD. However, I think that keeping the CD in the drive/making an image and mounting the ****er is a waste of time...
Until Team17 will remove the obsolete CD check, I shall use the Russians' NOCD patches (some of them even get the music and backgrounds to work :D). I mean c'mon, anybody who downloaded a 1:1 copy of the CD off piratebay can mount an image and use the unmodified executable. What is the point of this check??!?!

CyberShadow
7 Mar 2013, 08:27
The point of the CD check is to prevent the game from crashing when it later attempts to read game data from the CD.

StepS
7 Mar 2013, 13:22
What is the point of this check??!?!
the required files are on CD, the game reads them otherwise it can't work.
Steam solves this problem

jsgnext
7 Mar 2013, 18:55
What is the point of this check??!?!
I dont think T17 would like this check to be removed...its the only way the have to prevent piracy...
Yes, i know its obsolete but still...removing it is like saying "Hey pirates, here you got!, you dont even have to crack it!"....and, I insist, I dont think T17 would like that...
Just buy the damn game and stop complaining....its 5 bucks...

StepS
7 Mar 2013, 19:23
Just buy the damn game and stop complaining....its 5 bucks...
that's not the point because he said himself he has a legit WA cd.

1batata
7 Mar 2013, 20:35
the required files are on CD, the game reads them otherwise it can't work.
Steam solves this problem
short answer: no

franpa
7 Mar 2013, 21:17
The point of the CD check is to prevent the game from crashing when it later attempts to read game data from the CD.
So change the game to load data from the HDD and have the beta update install process request the users disc and copy the files to the appropiate location? ;)
*Hides*

StepS
8 Mar 2013, 07:36
short answer: no
then the poster wouldn't understand "what's the point of the CD check".
So change the game to load data from the HDD and have the beta update install process request the users disc and copy the files to the appropiate location? ;)
*Hides*
Planned for 4.0 (http://worms2d.info/4.0_Facts)

Mohit Suri
8 Mar 2013, 16:54
acutally its not possible to run a game without CD, :confused: (http://www.softwaresprogramming.com/2012/02/reverse-engineering-techniques-no-1.html) but if you want to try some game unlocker then you can have some chance.

DIMANATOR
8 Mar 2013, 23:03
Just read the 4.0 plan, and I'm satisfied. I also didn't mean what I said about using the no-cd executables (I'm still mounting images ) :-(. By the way, mounting an image is the only way to play right now, since the new update is too slow with the physical CD.
Also for 4.0, can we get the WormPot? That thing rocked in WWP. I know that we can use RubberWorm, but that thing is too hackish.

jsgnext
9 Mar 2013, 01:27
Just read the 4.0 plan, and I'm satisfied. I also didn't mean what I said about using the no-cd executables (I'm still mounting images ) :-(. By the way, mounting an image is the only way to play right now, since the new update is too slow with the physical CD.
Also for 4.0, can we get the WormPot? That thing rocked in WWP. I know that we can use RubberWorm, but that thing is too hackish.
4.0 is like "the ideal update".....dont expect it Anytime soon or you'll end up disappointed...

SgtFusion
9 Mar 2013, 09:03
Just read the 4.0 plan, and I'm satisfied. I also didn't mean what I said about using the no-cd executables (I'm still mounting images ) :-(. By the way, mounting an image is the only way to play right now, since the new update is too slow with the physical CD.
Also for 4.0, can we get the WormPot? That thing rocked in WWP. I know that we can use RubberWorm, but that thing is too hackish.
If I recall correctly, yes, we will get at least some WormPot options in W:A 4.0.

1batata
10 Mar 2013, 10:46
The game reads various data from the CD, so you can't make the game magically work if you lost your CD.
Actually yes you can. You just need internet.

Muzer
10 Mar 2013, 14:22
Actually yes you can. You just need internet.
I think what he means is:
"you can't make the game magically work legally if you lost your CD." ;)

1batata
10 Mar 2013, 23:20
I think what he means is:
"you can't make the game magically work legally if you lost your CD." ;)
I doubt CyberShadow would make that mistake in such a short and simple phrase. Combining magic with legal is also weird. It's not the 1st time someone is either misinformed, lying to their teeth or playing some ignorancy game in this forum. I love you all and this game but stop with whatever thing I'm refering to. Anyway, I'll buy that a great guy like him was just in a hurry. Back to the point without insulting anyone.
I bought this game 2 times - 1st for full price when it was released, 2nd the sold out version (WA+W2), 3rd if you count the Worms Revolution pre-order bonus you know, the one that had the speechbank glitch that could be easily avoided, but heh... let's use it anyway. If I lose my previous copys (5 or 10 years passed... I'm lucky to have Worms 2 CD around, untouched) do you think I'll buy a 4th one to meet your standards of copyright superiority that your imagination provides? What does this stamp give to the player for a franchise this old and unpopular? 4.0 won't make a player ID registration process validating a CD signature, and you know what, that can be easily emulated as well. I can't come up with anything that would increase my point so I'll just finish by saying this.
Team17 isn't supporting this publicity thing your doing, or even this game in general, they just used it in a dirty way to make people Pre-order Revolution, without moving a finger to fix the problem of having no CD.
Let's see if I can make my own little joke:
"What's that? There's a new patch that fixes a lot of issues, eases the support on new technology, while having his own little Revolution and you want it on Steam too? Well sorry, that would distract us on what's truly important -> Facebo *cough cough* Super frog!!"

SgtFusion
11 Mar 2013, 07:29
Team17 isn't supporting this publicity thing your doing
1. This isn't a "publicity thing." It's a patch made by people who, of their own accord, want to improve the game (in features, bug fixes and OS compatibility) for the sake of all the people who play it. 4.0 is just the planned ultimate patch to contain any feature they can think of and reasonably implement.
2. So what if Team17 doesn't fully support it? That's not the point. They at least aren't opposed to it, as proven by the fact that they gave DeadCode the source code.
Worms Armageddon is over 10 years old. Do you think it's imune to piracy?
If I lose my previous copys (5 or 10 years passed... I'm lucky to have Worms 2 CD around, untouched) do you think I'll buy a 4th one to meet your standards of copyright superiority that your imagination provides?
And that makes piracy okay, somehow? If you lose your previous copies, that's your own fault. It's not "copyright superiority," it's just freaking common decency to the people who gave you such a great game to play.

bonz
11 Mar 2013, 10:45
1batata, I know where you're coming from.
Here in Austria, it's perfectly legal to make a backup copy of your game, as long as you do not actively circumvent (i.e. crack) the copy protection.
Furthermore, also here in Austria, it's doesn't matter if I make the backup myself or if I acquire it from somewhere else, even Pirate Bay - as long as I own the license, the source doesn't matter.
But... there the problems start.
Nowadays the license is tied to the serial key you install or activate your game with, and in most cases it's already tied to an (online) user account.
But that's different with Worms Armageddon.
I doesn't have any serial key activation system, which means that the license is basically tied to the original CD itself.
(The original box and booklet are not needed, nor is the original proof of purchase.)
If your original CD is broken, you can use a backup copy (or for the case of Austria, acquire that backup copy from elsewhere).
But if you lost your copy, you can in fact NOT magically make the game work again LEGALLY.
(This in fact also counts if you borrowed your game to someone. You're not legally allowed to play with a backup copy then, as you would need to transfer all of them with the license or destroy them.)

franpa
11 Mar 2013, 14:13
Yeah, I think it's the same (Except possibly being able to source it from somewhere other then your own backup making machine/process.*) in Australia Bonz.
*If this is true then it makes it hard to make a backup of most games since they use Disc protection that makes proper copying impossible without special/specific hardware. There's software that can do stuff like emulate various protection mechanisms including RMPS but I think most of that stuff counts as bypassing the DRM.

Muzer
11 Mar 2013, 16:10
Yeah, in most places you're allowed to make your own backup, but not download one made by someone else, AFAIK (but IANAL).

1batata
11 Mar 2013, 17:30
1. This isn't a "publicity thing." It's a patch made by people who, of their own accord, want to improve the game (in features, bug fixes and OS compatibility) for the sake of all the people who play it. 4.0 is just the planned ultimate patch to contain any feature they can think of and reasonably implement.
2. So what if Team17 doesn't fully support it? That's not the point. They at least aren't opposed to it, as proven by the fact that they gave DeadCode the source code.
And that makes piracy okay, somehow? If you lose your previous copies, that's your own fault. It's not "copyright superiority," it's just freaking common decency to the people who gave you such a great game to play.
Yes it is a publicity thing, witch translates to advertisement and NOT patches or updates (I really don't know how do you get this idea) I was refering to the community doing a job witch Team17 doesn't give a damn about. So many features made by few people is just insane expectations - not every single feature will be implemented, and to my knowledge there isn't a magic program witch turns old CDs into serial numbers. In the end it's not my problem because Worms Armageddon is on my steam library! That's supoused to be valid in whatever terms of agreement 4.0 will come up with. CD's don't last forever, like the example I gave in previous post.
No that doesn't make piracy right. But there's a limit on taking your freedom, especially if you support legal software. Trowing that you should preserve it is just ridiculous for such an old game, and legal copys aren't avaiable like growing grass, especially in my country, where my gaming is considered to be for kids.
Yes bonz, copyright laws are kinda shaky where it comes to old software and I belive my country is quite the same but I don't need to check because I really lost the CD and I would really buy it, if I ever saw in stores again. (I'll aquire a used copy if I'm really feel like doing it because It's one of my favorite games.)

bonz
13 Mar 2013, 09:01
Yeah, I think it's the same (Except possibly being able to source it from somewhere other then your own backup making machine/process.*) in Australia Bonz.
*If this is true then it makes it hard to make a backup of most games since they use Disc protection that makes proper copying impossible without special/specific hardware. There's software that can do stuff like emulate various protection mechanisms including RMPS but I think most of that stuff counts as bypassing the DRM.
Yup, that's the big joke in such a legislation.
You're allowed, but you can't legally do it.
Furthermore, IIRC, it's defined very vaguely what counts as bypassing DRM and what not.
I think it's always up to the judge in your trial once you're charged. :p
But I believe if you're using modern disk copy/emulation software (bought legally in your jurisdiction), which can easily handle outdated, decade old protection, no one would say anything if you made your legal backup copy with it.

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