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Mr Church
9 Jul 2009, 08:15
I've seen a couple of those fairly lame "Worms" style cartoons made in paint, but are there any good ones or plans for one? Personally, I think a Worms cartoon would be hysterical. Only problem is that it IS Worms, and would be violent, and violence like that just isn't really accepted in cartoons much any more (Ah, Tom and Jerry.)

MtlAngelus
9 Jul 2009, 09:34
It's been discussed before. General consensus is that it doesn't make sense making a movie/show out of it because worms is not a story driven game, so it would end up being just another random show with worms plastered over it.
That means it could have potential, but that potential has nothing to do with with the Worms title.

Shadowmoon
9 Jul 2009, 11:20
Worms isn't widely known enough to have its own movie yet....
But a cartoon may work out.

Plasma
9 Jul 2009, 11:24
Plus, making such things would really make Team17 look like merchandising scum.

robowurmz
9 Jul 2009, 12:07
Have you tried using the Search function of the forum yet?
Once again, the discussion for a Worms movie has been had hundreds of times. Really, it has. Just search "Worms Movie" in the Search bar up there.

Mr Church
10 Jul 2009, 06:25
Calm down. Jesus. I didn't feel the urge to search for the topic when I could make it myself. And, Tom and Jerry isn't story driven. The only story for most cartoons is the one for that episode specifically. It's just new stories with recurring characters. Like Bugs Bunny, or Ren and Stimpy.

MtlAngelus
10 Jul 2009, 08:03
Calm down. Jesus. I didn't feel the urge to search for the topic when I could make it myself. And, Tom and Jerry isn't story driven. The only story for most cartoons is the one for that episode specifically. It's just new stories with recurring characters. Like Bugs Bunny, or Ren and Stimpy.
Point is, there is no reason to make a worms themed cartoon when it could work with any other random characters.

thomasp
10 Jul 2009, 11:08
Point is, there is no reason to make a worms themed cartoon when it could work with any other random characters.
Following on from this, the only reason to make a movie using characters from a game is when the game has some kind of plot behind it, such as Halo (I'm sure I heard rumours about a Halo movie a while back...). With Worms, there's no plot that would fill any more than one 20min episode, so a movie or cartoon would be pretty pointless as it'd just be a case of "Hey, lets try and squeeze a drop more money out of this franchise"

yakuza
10 Jul 2009, 11:12
Following on from this, the only reason to make a movie using characters from a game is when the game has some kind of plot behind it, such as Halo (I'm sure I heard rumours about a Halo movie a while back...). With Worms, there's no plot that would fill any more than one 20min episode, so a movie or cartoon would be pretty pointless as it'd just be a case of "Hey, lets try and squeeze a drop more money out of this franchise"
The old Sonic game had no plot other than, destroy the bad guy - which is as elaborate as the Worms plot, war between worms - but they still did a pretty succesful cartoon series using the characters from the game, with new ones specifically for the cartoons and then just making up the plot.
Likewise the Donkey Kong cartoon show. And many others.
"there's no plot" is not a valid argument.

thomasp
10 Jul 2009, 11:18
The old Sonic game had no plot other than, destroy the bad guy - which is as elaborate as the Worms plot, war between worms - but they still did a pretty succesful cartoon series using the characters from the game, with new ones specifically for the cartoons and then just making up the plot.
Likewise the Donkey Kong cartoon show. And many others.
"there's no plot" is not a valid argument.
However, Sonic was a vastly more popular game than Worms. People would wonder why the cartoon involves worms at all because its quite likely they haven't come across the game (remember, WA is 10 years old, and a lot of cartoon-watchers are less than 10 :p).
In this particular case I believe "there is no plot" becomes a valid argument since the cartoon would need a reason to be created, aside from simply "let's milk this franchise for as much as we can". If Worms had a specific plot (such as many movies which have been turned into games, or like Halo, for one example), it would of course be much easier to create a cartoon about it. You could use the first series to run through the game plot, and then deflect further from that in later series.

robowurmz
10 Jul 2009, 13:57
A worms cartoon could be potentially funny, but it's still pretty unstable ground.
Also, the first Sonic TV cartoon series was canceled.

Mr Church
11 Jul 2009, 03:07
Point is, there is no reason to make a worms themed cartoon when it could work with any other random characters.
Of course. Then no cartoons should ever have been made because they could have been done with any random characters. Why are people on this forum so stupid? Thomas said there would be no point because you could only have about 20 minutes worth of story. That's the length of most cartoon episodes. To make a cartoon you do not need a huge story. It's multiple stories with recurring characters.

MtlAngelus
11 Jul 2009, 03:42
Of course. Then no cartoons should ever have been made because they could have been done with any random characters. Why are people on this forum so stupid?.
You missed the point. Why would someone bother purchasing the rights for a Worms cartoon if said cartoon could work with any other type of characters that do not require purchasing rights for? It only makes sense for hugely popular franchises like Megaman or Sonic, but Worms isn't that popular, and the majority of people who play it are not that crazy about it to watch a cartoon show based on it.

Regulator
14 Jul 2009, 16:59
..the only reason to make a movie using characters from a game is when the game has some kind of plot behind it, such as Halo
I half agree with you, but for example Red vs Blue (http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/home.php) and The Leet World (http://smoothfewfilms.com/theleetworld/) totally ignore the main points of the game itself and create their own storyline mostly driven by situational humour and character devlopment. Both of these shows are hugely successful, and I don't see a major reason a good (albeit likely short) series couldn't be made using Worms.

MrBunsy
14 Jul 2009, 20:06
The Leet World (http://smoothfewfilms.com/theleetworld/)
Yey!
Machinima is very very different to a cartoon though, just because it's popular on the internet doesn't mean a television company would buy it.

yakuza
15 Jul 2009, 07:20
You missed the point. Why would someone bother purchasing the rights for a Worms cartoon if said cartoon could work with any other type of characters.
Why would anyone have to buy the rights? Cartoons and videogames are known to create marketing simbiosis and Worms already has a videogame.

Mr Church
15 Jul 2009, 07:51
Yey!
Machinima is very very different to a cartoon though, just because it's popular on the internet doesn't mean a television company would buy it.
It doesn't even have to be on TV. It could be on YouTube or Hulu. Microsoft owns Hulu, so they would jump at the chance for teh moniez...

Shadowmoon
15 Jul 2009, 08:08
Its seriously annoying to see these threads pop up quite often.
If only people would stop taking the lazy way out and search for the topic.
But nope, it has to happen.
Its the same debate again too.

Shadowmoon
15 Jul 2009, 10:50
There is going to be a worms movie anyway.
I'd been hoping to keep this a secret, but I guess the cat is out of the bag.
In 2004 Team17 and FilmFour commissioned me to write a screenplay for a potential movie based on the Worms franchise. I had a few ideas for what I wanted to do, so I wrote a spec script. The people at Universal and T17 loved it, and I began working on revisions.
In late 2006 I handed in a completed screenplay, which received moderate praise. After Christmas had been and gone I was informed that production, which was originally slated to happen within the UK, had instead shifted over to Burbank in California. I was asked if I would be willing to move over to work on further rewrites. Of course, I accepted.
The film has been in development hell now for the last two years. FilmFour are no longer involved, largely because they no longer exist in the capacity to produce a film on this scale, and so the production is now a joint venture between StudioCanal, Universal, and 20th Century Fox. At the start of 2007 a rough, unfinished version of a teaser poster was leaked - [you may have seen it (http://stuff.benpaddon.com/wormsmovie.jpg)] - but fortunately didn't garner much attention. (Aside: The poster was, of course, produced before FilmFour dropped out of the project. Indeed, most of the names mentioned on that poster are no longer involved with the project.)
Seven months ago I was informed that, while the project has not been shelved, I will no longer be involved. I am now stranded in Sunland, California, with only a laptop and the clothes on my back. Please, if you're in southern California... help me. Death draws ever closer, and though I do not fear its arrival (I have worked with Fox Executives and Producers... death is nothing in comparison) I would very much like to delay its flight for as long as possible.

MtlAngelus
15 Jul 2009, 11:16
Why would anyone have to buy the rights? Cartoons and videogames are known to create marketing simbiosis and Worms already has a videogame.
I don't see T17 as the type of company that would pull something like that off. They would have to be approached by some tv company with enough interest in the project. Thing is, why would anyone want to do that? Worms fanbase is for the most part casual. You don't see as many hardcore fans writing fanfics or cosplaying worms as you see with other videogame franchises. The worms title by itself wouldn't make for a guaranteed success.

MrBunsy
15 Jul 2009, 16:31
Its seriously annoying to see these threads pop up quite often.
If only people would stop taking the lazy way out and search for the topic.
But nope, it has to happen.
Its the same debate again too.
If we never discussed the same topic twice life would be dull.

Mr Church
15 Jul 2009, 19:51
If we never discussed the same topic twice life would be dull.
I love you.

Shadowmoon
15 Jul 2009, 20:28
I've seen a couple of those fairly lame "Worms" style cartoons made in paint, but are there any good ones
Just noticed this.
Well, looked at newgrounds yet? these short cartoons actually have effort in them, most are good too.
http://www.newgrounds.com/collection/worms

Regulator
16 Jul 2009, 12:09
these short cartoons actually have effort in them, most are good too.http://www.newgrounds.com/collection/worms
Effort != Quality

robowurmz
16 Jul 2009, 19:02
However, less effort = less quality.
A quick 5-second job will be generally poorer than a 5-day job.

Regulator
16 Jul 2009, 21:51
However, less effort = less quality.
What?
Effort != Quality
So uh..
Therefore: Less Effort != Less Quality
A quick 5-second job will be generally poorer than a 5-day job.
Generally, but as we're talking about Worms-based fan-made animations I think generally in this case all the time in the world will still leave most of them ****.

bonz
17 Jul 2009, 09:38
I bet a 5-second job by JjAR will surpass everything on Newgrounds in quality easily. :rolleyes:
It just depends who is doing it.
More or less time invested simply defines the grade of detail, completeness, etc., not the quality.
If you are shıt, your art will turn out crappy, no matter how long it took you.
More time just makes the pile of shıt bigger. :p

robowurmz
17 Jul 2009, 10:04
Effort does not equal quality. That is right.
However, Quality is Proportional to Effort.
They are not the same thing, but are linked.
Quality appears to be a scalar quantity, so we can assume that it also has other elements as Bonz has pointed out: Art Ability, Story Writing, and so on.
Q ∝ E + A + S

yakuza
17 Jul 2009, 10:47
Effort does not equal quality. That is right.
However, Quality is Proportional to Effort.
They are not the same thing, but are linked.
It's not proportional.
It took me no effort to type the phrase above this one, which is top quality because it's right.
On the other hand, it took you loads of effort to come up with completely nonsensical bull****.
Proportional, it's not.

MrBunsy
17 Jul 2009, 14:58
Effort does not equal quality. That is right.
However, Quality is Proportional to Effort.
They are not the same thing, but are linked.
Quality appears to be a scalar quantity, so we can assume that it also has other elements as Bonz has pointed out: Art Ability, Story Writing, and so on.
Q ∝ E + A + S
Correlated is probably what you're after. It's definitely not properly proportional.

Shadowmoon
22 Jul 2009, 10:06
Effort != Quality
Yeah I know. Now, what exactly are you trying to say here?

miketh2005
23 Jul 2009, 16:15
Following on from this, the only reason to make a movie using characters from a game is when the game has some kind of plot behind it, such as Halo (I'm sure I heard rumours about a Halo movie a while back...). With Worms, there's no plot that would fill any more than one 20min episode, so a movie or cartoon would be pretty pointless as it'd just be a case of "Hey, lets try and squeeze a drop more money out of this franchise"
I think a Worms 20 minute special would be hilarious, even if it was just released on the internet. Most cartoons are only 20 - 25 minutes. And this would be like the funny cut scenes in Wow2, the point is that the Worms (and their voices) are halarious, and it just wouldn't work with other characters. A Tom and Jerry type cartoon would be good, not much voices, just small words and sound effects or something, like in the cut scene with the jetpack and the dynamite (my fav), where the worms say "Ahhh! Huh? Ohhhhhh! Hey, hey! Hey! Eh? Ooooo...Ah ah, ah!!!!!" The voice of the worms are just plain awesome, and they can use voices from the game, like Kamikaze, Angry Scots, etc.

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