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abdallah
16 Sep 2006, 11:18
Theres a rumour of Amiga 500 games emulation is coming to Wiis virtual console. No matter what this could be an excellent place and platform for T17 to sell old titles again.

chowe
16 Sep 2006, 12:40
who would buy an old title for a new console?
me not

SuperBlob
16 Sep 2006, 13:30
who would buy an old title for a new console?
me not
You're an idiot. This is a perfect opportunity for Team 17 to get more people into Superfrog, Alien Breed etc.

Cyclaws
16 Sep 2006, 15:09
who would buy an old title for a new console?
me not
I would. It's really in-expensive, and it's a good way to play old classics.

abdallah
17 Sep 2006, 00:47
Depending on the price I would. For instance im getting Quak if i can for my DS. Thats an old game for a new platform.

MtlAngelus
17 Sep 2006, 01:17
who would buy an old title for a new console?
me not
People who want to play old favourites?

quakerworm
17 Sep 2006, 22:39
i can guarantee that an amiga emulator will be ported to ps3 within weeks of console's release. then all you will need is to acquire a kick rom, which you can get as a part of amiga forever package, and you'll be able to play worms dc. you can download a legal copy of worms dc by following this link (http://www.dream17.co.uk/softography.php?id=34&s=downloads) to dream17's download page. you can do the same on your pc if you get a copy of amiga forever.

abdallah
18 Sep 2006, 22:02
I cant afford a PS3. Seriously its just too expensive, Im getting a Wii. I already have Amiga emulation for my XBOX but shhh. Im more saying its a good opportunity to make some money from old-but-still-good-despite-todays-standards games. And I would definitely buy AB 2 if it meant no loading times and the price was good.

Muzer
19 Sep 2006, 18:42
WHAT? you actually have to PY for VC? I thought it would just be downloading old games which can no longer get any profit, and therefore should be free...

SupSuper
19 Sep 2006, 19:49
WHAT? you actually have to PY for VC? I thought it would just be downloading old games which can no longer get any profit, and therefore should be free......you're kidding, right? Companies, money, money, companies. The point of it is exactly so they can make profit out of them again (and people can enjoy them again) without some kind of big marketing scheme. Besides they'll still be extremely cheap.

MadEwokHerd
19 Sep 2006, 21:00
WHAT? you actually have to PY for VC? I thought it would just be downloading old games which can no longer get any profit, and therefore should be free...
So are you saying old games are worthless? But if they're worthless, it shouldn't matter to you because you wouldn't want them.
Please explain your position more clearly.

kikumbob
20 Sep 2006, 22:20
Please explain your position more clearly.Ooh I love it when people get formal:D
I think hes just using basic common sense. When classics get old enough people will eventually stop buying them. it happens, even if the game is fantastic. The world will just move on without it. The profit drops off the end, its no longer profitable to make the game...and its also quite true that alot of these games do turn up on the internet as freeware. Although this is usually the not-so-popular games and then only if the developer is absolutely dead certain they can't squeeze another penny out of the game. I downloaded transport tycoon as freeware. And Jazz Jackrabbit (but the sequel to it has been released on the internet to buy and download.)
When something like this happens its only natural that developers will jump in their pants at the prospect of getting more money out of these classics that should have long died leaving a memory carcass. I know it makes them sound money-thirsty - and they are - thats all i got...
I don't know how many of you knew that (i.e. have sense). Well, thats an explanation to the less thoughtful.

Muzer
21 Sep 2006, 16:14
You said it, kikumbob!
EDIT: lol! I've only just read your name! "Kick 'em, bob!"

MadEwokHerd
22 Sep 2006, 16:01
So while they still have value, and they are still Team17's intellectual property, it's no longer possible to sell them? I don't buy that. If the games have values then some people want copies. It should be possible to sell to those people, unless you want to claim that everyone who wants a copy of the game will pirate it (simply not true).
With old Team17 games, whether people will buy them is not a problem, but there are these other issues to deal with:
-The format. You need some Amiga os files to play them. The Virtual Console doesn't actually help solve this problem.
-The games are already available for free download legally at dream17.

kikumbob
22 Sep 2006, 19:11
So while they still have value, and they are still Team17's intellectual property, it's no longer possible to sell them? I don't buy that. If the games have values then some people want copies. It should be possible to sell to those people, unless you want to claim that everyone who wants a copy of the game will pirate it (simply not true).
Oh, no you completly misinterpretted my post. Its very hard to explain. Every single product possible will go through this. Let me find my old GCSE Business studies revision guide and I will explain....
Its The Product life cycle, the simple graph of which is of a curve of profit against time. At the beginning the profit will go from nothing and increase at a rate (sometimes slow, sometimes fast. I expect seriously anticipated products like Ps3 and Xbox 360 will rocket at first. However, the general example is of the profit increasing slowly) as it is launched (introduction). It increases through growth, which I believe to be the best part as the profit will easily rocket as word spreads ekcetra. It levels out at maturity. This can be to do with many things. Eveyone who wanted the product has the product, new products come out (competition) and so on. This leads to decline where the profit finally falls and it becomes obsolete. Every single product does this for many reasons.
Now, what I am also not saying as that absolutley no one buys these classics. But the people who do want copies are such a significantly small amount that it is just unprofitable to keep producing them. So they stop. And the only way to get a hold on a copy is the stock that is left over and used copies.
What is allso quite fashionable in this age is to rerelease products. Remember nintendo's old classics being released onto GBA? This is extremly effective, so Team17 only need a reason. And it appears to be here.
EDIT: and no, I did not choose my name for the fact that it would like bob to kick them. I chose it for a completly different reason. The syllabaletic sound is just a side effect.

MadEwokHerd
24 Sep 2006, 06:51
There's just one problem with that: the cost of producing one more copy, assuming you don't have to update it to run on a modern platform, is the same as the bandwidth cost of sending it to someone, which is very small.

kikumbob
24 Sep 2006, 14:20
Explain that to Team17. All I know is there is a reason why this happens. And it does happen. The end.

MadEwokHerd
24 Sep 2006, 15:45
I would explain it to Team17, but it doesn't apply to their old amiga games sadly (as they'd need to be ported to remove the need for amiga os files), and I don't know of any other games in this situation.

kikumbob
24 Sep 2006, 17:22
Jazz Jack Rabbit is one. Any old classics you can think of. Is really that logical to continue to manufacture a game indefinately? I'm not talking about digital versions however. I get thevfeeling you are including them.

MadEwokHerd
24 Sep 2006, 17:31
Yes, I'm including digital copies. It's a cheap and direct way to distribute software. Why aren't we using it?

SupSuper
25 Sep 2006, 10:28
Jazz Jack Rabbit is one. Any old classics you can think of. Is really that logical to continue to manufacture a game indefinately? I'm not talking about digital versions however. I get thevfeeling you are including them.Actually, Jazz Jackrabbit is still purchasable: http://www.epicclassics.com/

kikumbob
25 Sep 2006, 17:55
Yes, I'm including digital copies. It's a cheap and direct way to distribute software. Why aren't we using it? Because obviously that still makes a profit. Manufacturing the product on, say, a DVD costs money, time, labour etc.

MadEwokHerd
25 Sep 2006, 20:27
And companies don't like profit?

kikumbob
28 Sep 2006, 18:16
Sorry. I meant that it wouldn't fit with the theory I was putting into practice with you. I'm talking about hard copies because thats still the normal these days.

MadEwokHerd
29 Sep 2006, 01:13
Sure it would. The difference is that costs are now much smaller. They are not zero, but they are very small.

kikumbob
29 Sep 2006, 18:23
Do you understand what I meant by my theory?
I have the inevitable feeling that we are going around in circles XD

quakerworm
6 Oct 2006, 09:44
often companies will release older versions of their games for free to promote newer versions. consider rockstar games, for example. gta and gta2 were without a doubt serious hits. not on the scale of gta3, of course, but even now they are still far from being forgotten. however, you can download both for free from the rockstar's server (http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/). rockstart could have made money off of these. many people would certainly pay some ammount for download. but not only are they letting you download these for free, they also invested into updating them to run on moddern machines.
for nintendo, introducing old games on the wii for free would have been an excelent marketing opportunity. it still helps them even if you have to pay for them, but some people do have a, "what? paying for old games?" reaction.

SupSuper
6 Oct 2006, 10:47
often companies will release older versions of their games for free to promote newer versions. consider rockstar games, for example. gta and gta2 were without a doubt serious hits. not on the scale of gta3, of course, but even now they are still far from being forgotten. however, you can download both for free from the rockstar's server (http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/). rockstart could have made money off of these. many people would certainly pay some ammount for download. but not only are they letting you download these for free, they also invested into updating them to run on moddern machines.
for nintendo, introducing old games on the wii for free would have been an excelent marketing opportunity. it still helps them even if you have to pay for them, but some people do have a, "what? paying for old games?" reaction.I think the difference is that Nintendo doesn't own every single old game they're gonna make available on the Wii. :p It was probably hard enough coming to agreements just to re-sell them.

quakerworm
6 Oct 2006, 12:26
I think the difference is that Nintendo doesn't own every single old game they're gonna make available on the Wii. :p It was probably hard enough coming to agreements just to re-sell them.
that is a good point, but didn't nintendo have some very tight licensing rules early on? they might actually completly own most, if not all of the nes and snes titles.

AndrewTaylor
6 Oct 2006, 12:49
I noticed the word "might" creeping into that sentence, and we really have to assume "might" means "don't" until we hear otherwise.

MadEwokHerd
6 Oct 2006, 17:44
but some people do have a, "what? paying for old games?" reaction
These people can be safely ignored because they will not pay for the old games. The idea that games are worthless and should be free is a dangerous one because they are not worthless. If they were available for free, legally, they would hurt demand new games.

shadgenki
13 Oct 2006, 16:12
My friends and I are all buying Nintendo Wii next month, because X360 doesn't have very many must-have games, and PS3 is ridiculously expensive. We've all been looking forward to playing online with each other, as we've all grown up too much to hang out to play games at one place anymore. It's sad, I know.
Anywho, we were all just talking about how we used to play Worms World Party on the Dreamcast years ago, drink beers, swear, and generally have a great time. I would love to do that again using the Wii and online connectivity. I hope that Team17 will consider doing something like this. The 2D versions are preferred, since none of us have been able to fall in love with the newer 3D versions.

bonz
13 Oct 2006, 18:32
My friends and I are all buying Nintendo Wii next month, because X360 doesn't have very many must-have games, and PS3 is ridiculously expensive. We've all been looking forward to playing online with each other, as we've all grown up too much to hang out to play games at one place anymore. It's sad, I know.
Anywho, we were all just talking about how we used to play Worms World Party on the Dreamcast years ago, drink beers, swear, and generally have a great time. I would love to do that again using the Wii and online connectivity. I hope that Team17 will consider doing something like this. The 2D versions are preferred, since none of us have been able to fall in love with the newer 3D versions.
Good start.
A post containing the word "beer" has a higher likeliness to draw the teamsters attention. ;)

shadgenki
19 Oct 2006, 14:50
Good start.
A post containing the word "beer" has a higher likeliness to draw the teamsters attention. ;)
Then my job is done here. :cool:

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