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SargeMcCluck
22 Apr 2005, 18:26
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What thread was it on? was it deleted?
Whoever deleted it sucks.
It was a really really REALLY bad "avatar". It was 200x200 pixels, drawn badly in paint without spending any time on it - The text was written with the paintbrush rather than using the in-built write-with-a-font feature. It was god-awful in every way.

SupSuper
22 Apr 2005, 19:41
Whoever deleted it sucks.
It was a really really REALLY bad "avatar". It was 200x200 pixels, drawn badly in paint without spending any time on it - The text was written with the paintbrush rather than using the in-built write-with-a-font feature. It was god-awful in every way.then i'm glad it was deleted. it could've brainwashed other members into copying his style.

Paul.Power
24 Apr 2005, 18:44
Hmm, I somehow managed to get a Nintendo DS for my birthday. However, so far I only have the Metroid Prime demo thingy, Polarium and all the old GBA games. And I've just found out that AWDS is coming out in September, which is ages away. Grr.
Still, it's very nice, particularly as I wasn't really expecting it. I've yet to find anyone to use Pictochat with yet, though...

Worm-Nut
24 Apr 2005, 18:49
SBC sucks.
They don't unblock port 25 all the way even when you ask them, and the tech support people have horrible accents and the muzac is just plain stupid.

SomePerson
24 Apr 2005, 21:48
Reading the Soviet Tokamak blueprints?
I'm learning Russian!
Here's the "story" as to why:.. A friend of mine has an alter ego with the last name "Barinson". I couldn't resist calling him "Comrade Barinson", for some odd reason or another. So, of course, I had to learn how to say "Hi" in Russian, so I could say "Hi Comrade Barinson!". I'd always thought Russian looked like a cool language (the alphabet is probably responsible for that) and, well, after figuring that out I decided I wanted to learn the language.
Good reason, I know...

MonkeyforaHead
25 Apr 2005, 05:53
I've yet to find anyone to use Pictochat with yet, though...
I'm just hoping that when the DS finally does go online, PictoChat will be supported. But somehow, even given my limited knowledge of how the whole online thing is going to work, I'm doubting it.

AndrewTaylor
25 Apr 2005, 14:41
It was a really really REALLY bad "avatar". It was 200x200 pixels, drawn badly in paint without spending any time on it - The text was written with the paintbrush rather than using the in-built write-with-a-font feature.
Best way. Small fonts suck.

SupSuper
25 Apr 2005, 15:31
http://nuar.lunarpages.com/video/SW_mirrors.htm

AndrewTaylor
25 Apr 2005, 15:34
According to the Wiltshire Polics website (which I was on* for reasons of my own), "Mobile phone users may be charged for calling Crimestoppers". Do you suppose it means charged money, or charged with an offence?
__________
*As in, "reading", not as in, "being arrested".

K^2
25 Apr 2005, 15:46
I'm learning Russian!
Here's the "story" as to why:.. A friend of mine has an alter ego with the last name "Barinson". I couldn't resist calling him "Comrade Barinson", for some odd reason or another. So, of course, I had to learn how to say "Hi" in Russian, so I could say "Hi Comrade Barinson!". I'd always thought Russian looked like a cool language (the alphabet is probably responsible for that) and, well, after figuring that out I decided I wanted to learn the language.
Good reason, I know...
If you'd actually learn something about Russian first, you'd know that Barinson cannot be a Russian name. In fact, the very ending of it, "son", tells you allready that it is from an english speaking country. Now, Barinov, or Barinski, or even just Barin, would have made a great Russian family name with the same root. Also, if you are saying "hi" in Russian, you should be saying "comrade" in Russian as well, and that is, arguably, even harder. Not to mention that "hi" and "comrade" really don't go together. If you are going with "comrade", you need a more formal salutation as well.

UnKnown X
25 Apr 2005, 16:08
Learn Polish! It rocks!
Practically, you'll only need to learn the following letters/sounds:
Z, C, Sh, Sczh, Zh and Ch.
The rest is easy.

MtlAngelus
25 Apr 2005, 19:07
I want to learn japanese just so I can scream to people in it when I'm angry :rolleyes:

SupSuper
25 Apr 2005, 20:29
portuguese is fun! 99% of it can be considered sexual innuendo. and there's always the huge variety of curses, too.

SomePerson
25 Apr 2005, 23:36
If you'd actually learn something about Russian first, you'd know that Barinson cannot be a Russian name. In fact, the very ending of it, "son", tells you allready that it is from an english speaking country. Now, Barinov, or Barinski, or even just Barin, would have made a great Russian family name with the same root. Also, if you are saying "hi" in Russian, you should be saying "comrade" in Russian as well, and that is, arguably, even harder. Not to mention that "hi" and "comrade" really don't go together. If you are going with "comrade", you need a more formal salutation as well.How is "Здравствуйте Комрад Баринсон!"?
Also, I taped the Russian alphabet onto my keyboard, so now I can type Russian!

OldSkoolCrazy
25 Apr 2005, 23:37
No braces for me!!!:D
Wait... what's that you say. I need a retainer! NOOOOOO!!!:p

SomePerson
26 Apr 2005, 01:26
How is "Здравствуйте Комрад Баринсон!"?
Also, I taped the Russian alphabet onto my keyboard, so now I can type Russian!
Babelfish seemed to think Comrade was "комрад", but it appears that it should be "Здравствуйте товарищ Баринсон!"

K^2
26 Apr 2005, 05:27
"Здравствуйте товарищ Баринсон!"
That's right. I think you need a comma after salutation, but other than that, this is the right form.

Paul.Power
26 Apr 2005, 10:25
PAUL is the #13 most common male name.
0.948% of men in the US are named PAUL.
Around 1161300 US men are named PAUL!
PAUL is the #408 most common last name.
0.027% of last names in the US are PAUL.
Around 67500 US last names are PAUL!
PAUL is the #1794 most common female name.
0.003% of females in the US are named PAUL.
Around 3825 US females are named PAUL!
Buh.
EDIT: Varley is the #11932 most common last name.
0.001% of last names in the US are Varley.
Around 2500 US last names are Varley!
EDIT 2: I shall have to mention this to my Mum at some point:
Shelagh is a very rare female name.
Very few females in the US are named Shelagh.
Be proud of your unique name!

AndrewTaylor
26 Apr 2005, 12:37
Shelagh is a very rare female name.
Very few females in the US are named Shelagh.
Be proud of your unique name!
I bet it's quite common if you spell it right.

Paul.Power
26 Apr 2005, 17:01
I bet it's quite common if you spell it right.Blame my mum's parents deciding that a variation on the traditional spelling would be interesting. I believe the "gh" spelling is Irish.

MtlAngelus
26 Apr 2005, 17:27
I finally got to see Kill Bill Vol.1, The Incredibles, and Spongebob the Movie :p

OldSkoolCrazy
26 Apr 2005, 18:18
Kill Bill and The Incredibles is awesome. Don't want to see Spongebob though.

MtlAngelus
26 Apr 2005, 23:04
It's Hilarious. Very childish, but hilarious.

Zero72
26 Apr 2005, 23:08
nrrrrrr spbblblpblpblpblblplbplbl.

SomePerson
27 Apr 2005, 00:35
Замолчи, незаконнорожденный!
In other news, I'm still learning Russian...
Edit: Just to clarify, the Russian above isn't directed at anyone.

K^2
27 Apr 2005, 02:21
If I didn't know what phrase it was translated from, I'd find it very odd. Russian doesn't translate very well electronically. I suggest, you actually try to learn the language before translating stuff.

SomePerson
27 Apr 2005, 02:38
If I didn't know what phrase it was translated from, I'd find it very odd. Russian doesn't translate very well electronically. I suggest, you actually try to learn the language before translating stuff.Actually, I didn't translate them electronically but rather looked them up in a dictionary. I suppose that's close enough though.

K^2
27 Apr 2005, 06:42
Try to actually say that sentance, and you'll know immediately why it is never used when you are trying to cuss at someone. Look for shorter words.

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2005, 12:23
All my spam is in Russian. I have no idea why.
5-6 мая 2005 г. Семинар.
ОСНОВЫ КОНКУРЕНТНОЙ РАЗВЕДКИ ЧЕРЕЗ ИНТЕРНЕТ
Автор и ведущий: Независимый технолог, исследователь и тренер, автор свыше 120 работ. В период с 1996 года провел 50 открытых семинаров / тренингов. Обучение прошло более 500 человек из России и стран СНГ. Подготовил персонал для десятка организаций - корпоративных заказчиков из Владивостока, Москвы и Киева. Семинар проводится на основе многолетних авторских исследований.
And so on.

Paul.Power
27 Apr 2005, 13:53
All my spam is in Russian. I have no idea why.
And so on.I think they're catching on to the fact that you tend to send amusing replies back at them, so they've lapsed into incomprehensibility to stop you.

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2005, 13:54
I always thought they had a point, though, like to get my credit card number or to make me call their toll line. Not just to fill my account with garbage. Who knows, maybe.
Edit: PHEAR MY LEET FLASH SKILLS!
http://andrewt.freeownhost.com/planetarse.html
It's for a contact of mine's website. He didn't ask for it, but I did it anyway, because that's the kind of crazy guy I am this week.

K^2
27 Apr 2005, 16:49
All my spam is in Russian. I have no idea why.
What, you mean you wouldn't go to Moscow to a seminar on Corporative Espionage?
Edit: PHEAR MY LEET FLASH SKILLS!
http://andrewt.freeownhost.com/planetarse.html
It's for a contact of mine's website. He didn't ask for it, but I did it anyway, because that's the kind of crazy guy I am this week.
What did you use to render a textured sphere in Flash? I once tried to do something similar in Java, and I had to write my own rendering code. As you can imagine, software rendering through Java ran very slow.

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2005, 16:51
What, you mean you wouldn't go to Moscow to a seminar on Corporative Espionage?
What did you use to render a textured sphere in Flash? I once tried to do something similar in Java, and I had to write my own rendering code. As you can imagine, software rendering through Java ran very slow.
I used actionscript. It draws each shape vertex by vertex in solid green/pale blue, and then the shadowing on the sphere is done with a sneakily overlayed radial gradient fill. (To be honest, it's only shaded to mask some slightly dodgy projection around the sphere edges.) It's a projection, too, rather than a full 3D perspective view, so that simplifies things a lot. The hardest part was hiding the islands on the back of the sphere.
I'll upload the .fla file to the site in a second.
Edit: Done.

Blinx
27 Apr 2005, 16:57
Just asked a girl out. Ho-Hum.

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2005, 17:04
Edit: Is that what she said? Ho hum?
_____________
WHAT IS S2K? A Gorum Investigation:
http://davegorman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9213&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=41

Blinx
27 Apr 2005, 17:16
It's more like myself waiting for a reply.

K^2
27 Apr 2005, 17:17
I used actionscript. It draws each shape vertex by vertex in solid green/pale blue, and then the shadowing on the sphere is done with a sneakily overlayed radial gradient fill. (To be honest, it's only shaded to mask some slightly dodgy projection around the sphere edges.) It's a projection, too, rather than a full 3D perspective view, so that simplifies things a lot. The hardest part was hiding the islands on the back of the sphere.
I'll upload the .fla file to the site in a second.
Edit: Done.
That does sound like a nice way of doing it. The site wouldn't let me download the .fla file off of it, but it doesn't really matter. Did you just extend the vetecies that fell on the back of the sphere (z<0 after transformation) to the edge circle with the radius of the sphere? In other "word", something along the lines of:
if(z<0)
{
r=sqrt(x*x+y*y);
x=x*R/r;
y=y*R/r;
}
I think that would clip the islands quite nicely, espetially with your shadow on the edges trick.

AndrewTaylor
28 Apr 2005, 11:50
That's exactly what I did, yes. There are two problems though, with that:
I've rigged it also to delete any landmass which has had all its vertices extended that way, otherwise an island on the back of the sphere can cover the whole circle. Also, any island that's more than 90ºx90º can still be made to cover the whole planet. Alas, Eurasia is longer than 90º. I could slplit it up easily enough, or else I could just increase the condition for drawing them at all, and have bits of Eurasia vanish if it gets too near the edge.

philby4000
28 Apr 2005, 17:31
When I get bored my coursework tends to suffer.
"You and your family are at risk if your business or organization does not utilize our amazing super technology. At a click of a button you can find out exactly when you logged in previously! It’s like magic in a contemporised setting. But it’s not. It’s as simple as A, B, Phillsyst-TWL. Login and logout or don’t login in the first place."
“While it wasn’t the least ugly thing in the world, it certainly didn’t actually hurt me. I liked the buttons.”

OldSkoolCrazy
29 Apr 2005, 01:16
I got my retainer today. I have terrible lisp now, and it isn't very comfortable. I think I'll get used to it though.

MtlAngelus
29 Apr 2005, 04:21
I just bought an electroacustic guitar, it's an Ovation, and it's very very awesome.
Edit: And I saw a guy playing guitar there, he was Awesome. He gave me advice on a pedal that gives this ubber distortion effect, but it was too expensive(I would have bought it, but mum said no :o :p )
Need... more... equipment....
Need... money...

K^2
29 Apr 2005, 06:53
You can make some very nice amps and effect boxes out of parts you can get out of old TVs. Lamp amps are a lot better than most transistor amps. The effect boxes are a bit trickier, though. A lot of effects are digital these days. A dellay, for example, is much easier to make by converting audio to digital signal, storing it in memory, and then converting the signal back to analog. You can, of course, use the tape, as it was done back in a day, but digital box is going to be a lot smaller, cost less, and work better.
If your PC can handle it, you can use some software guitar effect programs. You can run your guitar to the microphone or line-in of your PC, use the special program to apply distortion, reverb, and whatever else you need, and then run a wire from your PC to your amp.

Paul.Power
29 Apr 2005, 13:26
Well, I saw some interesting things today - a couple of mallard ducklings, a swan sitting on its nest, about three sets of moorhen chicks and even a couple of rodenty things which, having done an internet search, appear to be meadow voles ("field mice"). So there's lovely.

AndrewTaylor
29 Apr 2005, 15:50
I was in one of those wildlife watching buildings in Centre Parks once. The sheet had been filled in by some nutcases.
Animal / Number / Comment
Leaf / 5000 / Wow, never seen a leaf before.
Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger / 5 / [blank]
And so on.
double post edit
This just in from the department of BEING A NUTCASE:
http://davegorman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9239
(Anyone who hasn't read Googlewhack Adventure won't get it, but he's STILL A NUTCASE.)

K^2
29 Apr 2005, 16:16
Part of me hopes that he was just joking about the new color. I just don't want to believe that there are people who are that dumb.

MtlAngelus
29 Apr 2005, 16:43
Well, I saw some interesting things today - a couple of mallard ducklings, a swan sitting on its nest, about three sets of moorhen chicks and even a couple of rodenty things which, having done an internet search, appear to be meadow voles ("field mice"). So there's lovely.
The uni my brother goes too has an area with ducks and stuff, they once saw a duck copulating with a dead one :p
And there was this one time a duck became insane and was attacking every person that went near him.
And I can't really connect my guitar to the pc without getting too much noise. That and my soundcard sucks.

AndrewTaylor
29 Apr 2005, 16:45
Call it a deliberately low-fi effect.

Blinx
29 Apr 2005, 16:48
Just asked a girl out. Ho-Hum.
UPDATE:
Still ongoing. She hasnt said Yes. Or No. She's interrogating me :p

Paul.Power
30 Apr 2005, 22:08
Less than 200 posts to 7000, interestingly enough.
I discovered something interesting a couple of nights ago: "-do" typically means the "martial arts" form of a fighting style, and "-jitsu" the "sod this arty stuff, let's just get on with killing people" form of the same fighting style. So we have judo and jujitsu, kendo and kenjitsu. The method of the ninja is apparantly referred to as ninjitsu: alas, there doesn't appear to be a "nindo", because that would presumably be the art of hiding and making as little noise as possible - which I doubt would catch on.
My conclusion to all this is that we need a Nintenjitsu - the art of killing people with computer games...

OldSkoolCrazy
1 May 2005, 06:42
I just found out that Radiohead's first album, Pablo Honey, came out February 22. My birthday.:)

KamikazeBananze
1 May 2005, 08:42
*runs around with a melon on his head*

MonkeyforaHead
2 May 2005, 03:21
On the way home today, I saw a license plate reading ONO 404.
I was paralyzed with laughter for a few minutes straight.

SupSuper
3 May 2005, 17:36
the constant proof that msn is weird.
i got this conversation on my desktop when i came back from being away (aka sleeping).
who those people were, what they were talking about and why they added me is still a complete mystery.

MtlAngelus
3 May 2005, 18:43
And now the new fashion in fanart, the competitions(a.k.a. compititions)! Get yours running before it becomes old!

AndrewTaylor
3 May 2005, 18:44
I may have to do an Apathy Clan competition. And disqualify anyone who bothers to enter.
But then, I never bothered with the Apathy Clan Forum RPG, so I may not.

Zero72
3 May 2005, 22:48
But then, I never bothered with the Apathy Clan Forum RPG...That makes it a spectacular success.
double post edit
lol, I got too good at captioning W3D screenshots, and Preasure had to ask me to stop winning so much. :p

MonkeyforaHead
3 May 2005, 22:49
Take that, Splapp!

Splapp
4 May 2005, 16:53
Take that, Splapp!
But I don't want to take it... :(

Paul.Power
4 May 2005, 17:07
Then quick, pass it on to somebody else!

SupSuper
4 May 2005, 23:58
i have learned php!
now to give it good use... like make my website so automated, i can be lazy all i want!

K^2
5 May 2005, 00:36
You should go back to learning C instead of wasting your time with server scripts.

SomePerson
5 May 2005, 00:43
With a Russian accent, what sounds do you substitute for the english "w" and "h"?

FutureWorm
5 May 2005, 01:18
the constant proof that msn is weird.
i got this conversation on my desktop when i came back from being away (aka sleeping).
who those people were, what they were talking about and why they added me is still a complete mystery.
Yeesh ...
double post edit
And now the new fashion in fanart, the competitions(a.k.a. compititions)! Get yours running before it becomes old!
Are they really compititions, is that how they spell them?

K^2
5 May 2005, 01:28
With a Russian accent, what sounds do you substitute for the english "w" and "h"?
In most cases, you would replace "w" sound with a "v" sound. For examle, "what" would be pronounced as "vot" in heavy Russian acent. However, sometimes it can be replaced with a "oo" sound. Depends a lot on who is speaking and where they learned English. The "h" sounds will be replaced, in most cases, with the "kh" sounds, similar to a sound you'd get by reading the Russian letter "х". Sometimes, however, the "h" sound is simply droped.
Take a note that this is only true if you want to imitate a very heavy, Siberean acent, which is what is usualy considered to be the stereotype for Russian acents. Most people from Western part of Russia, espetialy Moscow and St. Petersburg, can manage a fairly close pronounciation of these sounds. There is, of course, still a very recognizable acent, but it is a lot stronger on vowels and the consonants such as "d","t","l" than it is on "h", "w", "qu", "th", and other sounds that do not exist in Russian language.
Finaly, if you want to imitate heavy Russian acent, you need to master pronounciation of soft consonants, which can be fairly difficult.

MtlAngelus
5 May 2005, 02:29
Are they really compititions, is that how they spell them?
Most of them, yes.
Or just some of them, I don't know, I just know I've seen that word mispelled a lot recently

AndrewTaylor
5 May 2005, 11:19
Are they really compititions, is that how they spell them?
I propose the term "incompetitions".

SupSuper
5 May 2005, 18:42
You should go back to learning C instead of wasting your time with server scripts.Er... I've learned C a long time ago. And C++, though not that long ago.

SargeMcCluck
5 May 2005, 18:50
You should go back to learning C instead of wasting your time with server scripts.
Well learning PHP is a nice way to learn basic C syntax and such. It's much easier to use PHP to make actually useful stuff, rather than with C.

Zero72
5 May 2005, 19:01
I've gotten back into The Sims 2 a bit. I made this really frumpy-looking hillbilly guy and moved him into an abandoned farm silo.

MtlAngelus
6 May 2005, 06:30
If my calculations are right, we are about to suffer a forum overload. In a couple of days, or weeks, not sure.

Zero72
6 May 2005, 06:43
Now it's time for a DRUM SOLO!!!

K^2
6 May 2005, 07:08
Er... I've learned C a long time ago. And C++, though not that long ago.
int foo(char *s)
{
int a=0;
while(*(s++))a=16*a+0[s-1]-(s[-1]<='9'?'0':-10+((-1)[s]<96?'A':'a'));
return a;
}
Let me know when you figure out what this does. And believe me, I'm going easy on you.
Well learning PHP is a nice way to learn basic C syntax and such. It's much easier to use PHP to make actually useful stuff, rather than with C.
No. Just no.

SargeMcCluck
6 May 2005, 12:39
No. Just no.
Got any reasons? Or is this just a "Someone wanting to learn languages differently to how I did? No!" thing?
I know three people in real life and God-knows how many people online who learnt PHP and then went on to learn C because they found it easy due to the syntax similarities. NONE of the people who I'm talking about would have learnt C if they didn't already know the syntax - Because learning C at the start is incredibly dull.

K^2
6 May 2005, 16:08
Ok. I you insist on an explanation, here goes. Syntax has very little to do with anything here. It takes a day to learn a syntax of a new language, but it takes many months to really learn a new language. C is very, very different from PHP. First of all, PHP is a script language. When you write in PHP, what you are really doing is instructing the PHP's interpreter on what to do. The structure of PHP is entirely artificial. On the other hand, C code is compiled into machine code. When you write a line of C, it is associated with a segment of Assembley code. The way that the CPU reads the code is what determined the structure of C. The way that the function calls are made in C comes directly from how CPU processes functions in the machine codes. Same thing with variables, pointers, arrays, structures, etc. In fact, C is just a nicer way to lay down the Assembley code.
I will also say that anyone who says that PHP is similar to C doesn't know C. Many people think that they do, but how many of them have any idea of what they are actually doing when they are declaring main? The natural starting point for learning C is learning Assembley, because all C code is tied to Assembley code. Every function can be traced back to a segment of Assembley code. I could take any of the IO function in C and trace it all the way back to the interrupt calls in Assembley. In case of PHP, the best I can do is trace it back to the function call in the interpreter, and different versions of that interpreter might handle that call completely differently.

AndrewTaylor
6 May 2005, 17:08
It depends.
I think PHP is a good starting point for someone who wants to learn to programme and wants eventually to code C. I don't reccomend diving straight into C because it's a total ******* to debug.
Mind you, debugging PHP isn't exactly a barrel of laughs either.
I came at it the other way around: I was good at C when I learned PHP (ie, a couple of months ago). I found PHP was just like a Lovely version of C. It lets you get away with anything.
Declare variables? What for?
You can use strings as array indices, for crying out loud. I don't even know how that would work.
You can even access variables by putting their names in a string and using that.
It's madness, it really is. Madness on a stick.

Blinx
6 May 2005, 17:16
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SargeMcCluck
6 May 2005, 17:49
Ok. I you insist on an explanation, here goes. Syntax has very little to do with anything here. It takes a day to learn a syntax of a new language, but it takes many months to really learn a new language. C is very, very different from PHP. First of all, PHP is a script language. When you write in PHP, what you are really doing is instructing the PHP's interpreter on what to do. The structure of PHP is entirely artificial. On the other hand, C code is compiled into machine code. When you write a line of C, it is associated with a segment of Assembley code. The way that the CPU reads the code is what determined the structure of C. The way that the function calls are made in C comes directly from how CPU processes functions in the machine codes. Same thing with variables, pointers, arrays, structures, etc. In fact, C is just a nicer way to lay down the Assembley code.
I will also say that anyone who says that PHP is similar to C doesn't know C. Many people think that they do, but how many of them have any idea of what they are actually doing when they are declaring main? The natural starting point for learning C is learning Assembley, because all C code is tied to Assembley code. Every function can be traced back to a segment of Assembley code. I could take any of the IO function in C and trace it all the way back to the interrupt calls in Assembley. In case of PHP, the best I can do is trace it back to the function call in the interpreter, and different versions of that interpreter might handle that call completely differently.
Again, this is all how you think. You're not a normal person, and far from it - Especially when it comes to programming. Learning Assembly to learn C is *not* a good idea.
I have many friends that have learnt programming languages. And NONE of them managed to learn all the syntax for a language in a day. Hell, let's ask Carmack, or a Team17 programmer if they think you're right. But I think all of them will say the same comment as was made about you one time down the pub in Ossett "Bull****".
Andrew - I did the same as you. I learnt PHP after I'd learnt C, C++ and started DirectX and OpenGL.
In your case K^2, learning PHP to learn C wouldn't have been good. But you're far, far from the norm, and assuming that because you learn one way that everyone should is being arrogant, stupid, and is total bull****.

Paul.Power
6 May 2005, 17:50
It depends.
I think PHP is a good starting point for someone who wants to learn to programme and wants eventually to code C. I don't reccomend diving straight into C because it's a total ******* to debug.
Mind you, debugging PHP isn't exactly a barrel of laughs either.
I came at it the other way around: I was good at C when I learned PHP (ie, a couple of months ago). I found PHP was just like a Lovely version of C. It lets you get away with anything.
Declare variables? What for?
You can use strings as array indices, for crying out loud. I don't even know how that would work.
You can even access variables by putting their names in a string and using that.
It's madness, it really is. Madness on a stick.Warning: do not read that post while trying to listen to I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again. The laughter circuits of your brain may overload.
I don't like lemons.

Blinx
6 May 2005, 18:05
I'm getting nervous. I'm in love. :o

FutureWorm
6 May 2005, 23:46
I'm getting nervous. I'm in love. :o
Sweet.
...

MtlAngelus
7 May 2005, 00:35
I just saw the butterfly effect, quite good of a movie.
I also saw Star Wars episode IV yesterday(they are gonna show all the movies on fox this month every tuesday). I've never seen those movies complete before.
And what's with Obi Wan vs Darth Vader fight? It sucks. It's like watching two kids fight with sticks.
Other than that, it's a nice movie :p

K^2
7 May 2005, 02:12
I'm getting nervous. I'm in love. :o
A bit fast, isn't it? Might be just a crush.
I also saw Star Wars episode IV yesterday(they are gonna show all the movies on fox this month every tuesday). I've never seen those movies complete before.
And what's with Obi Wan vs Darth Vader fight? It sucks. It's like watching two kids fight with sticks.
Other than that, it's a nice movie
We're watching old episodes of SW with some friends to prepare for Ep. 3 that comes out on the 19th. And yes, the Light Saber fight in IV isn't nearly as impressive as these in I and II. I think the main Light Saber fight in V (I won't say between whom, just in case) is a bit better than the one in IV, though, it has been a while since I've seen V, so I don't remember exactly. We are planning to watch V and VI tomorrow.

OldSkoolCrazy
7 May 2005, 03:59
I just saw the butterfly effect, quite good of a movie.
I also saw Star Wars episode IV yesterday(they are gonna show all the movies on fox this month every tuesday). I've never seen those movies complete before.
And what's with Obi Wan vs Darth Vader fight? It sucks. It's like watching two kids fight with sticks.
Other than that, it's a nice movie :p
I quite enjoyed the Butterfly Effect. It turned out better then I thought.

K^2
7 May 2005, 05:31
It was a good movie. Of course, as you probably expect, I have to add that time travel doesn't work like that. Still, a good movie with a nice refference to the Chaos Theory. Speaking of which, they are making the movie based on A Sound of Thunder.

philby4000
7 May 2005, 12:10
And what's with Obi Wan vs Darth Vader fight? It sucks. It's like watching two kids fight with sticks.
Other than that, it's a nice movie :p
I imagine a sword fight between 2 old men, one of whom is mostly machine, would be quite rediculous if they jumped around like ninjas.
Plus I dont think they could have got Alec Guiness, god rest his starwars hating soul, on a harness for love nor money. :p

OldSkoolCrazy
7 May 2005, 16:25
It was a good movie. Of course, as you probably expect, I have to add that time travel doesn't work like that. Still, a good movie with a nice refference to the Chaos Theory. Speaking of which, they are making the movie based on A Sound of Thunder.
Meh, most time travel movies don't follow the rules of time travel.

MtlAngelus
7 May 2005, 20:27
I imagine a sword fight between 2 old men, one of whom is mostly machine, would be quite rediculous if they jumped around like ninjas.
Plus I dont think they could have got Alec Guiness, god rest his starwars hating soul, on a harness for love nor money. :p
I'm not saying they should have jumped around like ninjas, just that it could have been a looooot better. By the looks of it, it didn't seem like any of both knew how to actually use a sword.

Paul.Power
7 May 2005, 21:34
They're showing Ep4 at Churchill College's "movie theatre" next week.
And now for something completely different. DIE, ANTS, DIE!:
http://www.ozyandmillie.org/2001/om20011019.html

K^2
7 May 2005, 21:42
Meh, most time travel movies don't follow the rules of time travel.
I'd say, none of them do. Real time travel is nowhere near as exciting as what they make it to be in movies.

Blinx
7 May 2005, 21:45
A timeless classic.

Paul.Power
7 May 2005, 21:51
Yes, that's the desired effect of this thread.

Zero72
8 May 2005, 04:01
You put the lime in the Coke, you nut.

FutureWorm
8 May 2005, 04:02
And mix it all up.

OldSkoolCrazy
8 May 2005, 05:53
Bruder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for de lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she call de doctor, woke 'im up,
Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
Now lemme get this straight,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot'up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you call your doctor, woke 'im up,
Said " Doctor, ain't there nothing' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
You put de lime in de coconut, you drink 'em bot' togedder
Put de lime in de coconut and you'll feel better,
Put de lime in de coconut, drink 'em bot' up,
Put de lime in de coconut and call me in the morning."

Blinx
8 May 2005, 10:10
Silent woman in the night, you came, Took my seed from my shaking frame.
Same old fire, another flame, And the wheel rolls on.
Silent woman through the flames, you come, From the deep behind the sun
Seems my nightmares, have just begun
Left me barely holding on.
With blazing eyes you see my trembling hand.
When we know the time has come
Lose my senses, lose command
Feel your healing rivers run
Is it every time I fall, That I think this is the one
In the darkness can you hear me call
Another day has just begun.
Silent woman, my face is changed
Some know in ways to come.
Feel my fire needs a brand new flame
And the wheels rolls on.... rolls on.

Paul.Power
8 May 2005, 11:21
"Bradford Girls", copyright 1970 Bill Oddie
Approxiamtely to the tune of "California Girls"
Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-be,
Eee bah gum!
Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-wa,
Eee bah gum!
Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-wa,
Eee bah gum!
By 'eck, by 'eck, Bradford Girls!
A Bradford Girl's comin' swingin' down the street,
Look out, fellas!
Bradford Girls always look so soft and sweet,
In their curlers!
Sheffield Girls are okay,
But you've got to try a Bradford Girl someday,
Because
Bradford Girls really knock me out,
Bradford Girls, gonna sing about,
Bradford Girls are really where it's at,
Way-hay-hay
Shoo-be-doo-be,
Eee bah gum!
Bradford, Bradford, Bradford Girls
Cheltenham Girls wear armour in their vests,
You'll never make 'em!
Manchester Girls all belong to Georgie Best,
And you won't take 'em!
Grimbsy Girls are all right,
But you're gonna get a Bradford Girl tonight,
Because
Bradford Girls really turn me on,
Bradford Girls, gonna find me one,
Bradford Girls are really hap-pen-ing,
Way-hay-hay
Shoo-be-doo-be,
Eee bah gum!
A pocket full of brass and a Bradford scrubber,
Moving at the Yorkshire Pudding Club-ah
Blue suede clogs, a woollen shawl,
Bradford, Bradford,
Bradford, Bradford,
Takin' my baby to the bingo hall!
Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-wa,
Eee bah gum!
Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-wa,
Eee bah gum!
Bradford kisses taste like fish and chips,
A big old herring!
Bradford Girls got big wet greasy lips,
Like Eddie Waring!
Wigan Girls are a gas,
But you really outgha dig a Bradford lass,
Because
Bradford Girls reel in all of us,
Bradford Girls always come across,
Bradford Girls let it all hang out,
Way-hay-hay
Shoo-be-doo-be,
Eee bah gum!
Bradford, Bradford, Bradford Girls,
Bradford, Bradford, Bradford Girls,
Bradford, Bradford, Bradford Girls,
Bradford, Bradford, Bradford Girls,
I'm picking up Bradford ladies,
I'm picking up Bradford ladies,
I'm picking up Bradford ladies,
I'm picking up Bradford ladies...

OldSkoolCrazy
8 May 2005, 16:45
Excellent avatar Blinx!:D

Blinx
8 May 2005, 17:08
heh thanks.

MonkeyforaHead
8 May 2005, 20:17
Bruder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for de lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she call de doctor, woke 'im up,
Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
Now lemme get this straight,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot'up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you call your doctor, woke 'im up,
Said " Doctor, ain't there nothing' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
You put de lime in de coconut, you drink 'em bot' togedder
Put de lime in de coconut and you'll feel better,
Put de lime in de coconut, drink 'em bot' up,
Put de lime in de coconut and call me in the morning."
And now, the Homer Simpson version.
You put the beer in the coconut and drink it all up, you put the beer in the coconut and throw the can away!
[clank]
Homer!
You throw the can away!
[clank]
I said Ho-mer!
You throw the can away!
Note: This may be impossible to comprehend unless you've seen the actual episode.

OldSkoolCrazy
8 May 2005, 20:49
It makes sence, but I haven't seent that episode.:(

SargeMcCluck
8 May 2005, 21:39
And now, the Homer Simpson version.
You put the beer in the coconut and drink it all up, you put the beer in the coconut and throw the can away!
[clank]
Homer!
You throw the can away!
[clank]
I said Ho-mer!
You throw the can away!
Note: This may be impossible to comprehend unless you've seen the actual episode.
That episode is oh-so-awesome.

K^2
9 May 2005, 00:14
Again, this is all how you think. You're not a normal person, and far from it - Especially when it comes to programming. Learning Assembly to learn C is *not* a good idea.
I have many friends that have learnt programming languages. And NONE of them managed to learn all the syntax for a language in a day. Hell, let's ask Carmack, or a Team17 programmer if they think you're right. But I think all of them will say the same comment as was made about you one time down the pub in Ossett "Bull****".
Andrew - I did the same as you. I learnt PHP after I'd learnt C, C++ and started DirectX and OpenGL.
In your case K^2, learning PHP to learn C wouldn't have been good. But you're far, far from the norm, and assuming that because you learn one way that everyone should is being arrogant, stupid, and is total bull****.
If you do not know assembley, you do not know how to program. It is as simple as that. Learning Assembley before learning C is as natural of a step as learning C before C++. C is not a programming language. It is an organizer tool for assembley. By itself, C has no I/O capabilities. All that pure C is capable of is performing arithmetical operations on numbers stored in RAM. In order for the program to be of any use it must communicate with hardware, which requires an interrupt call, which is done in C with an insert written in Assembley.
And no, this wasn't the way I learned it. I first learned BASIC on a machine which used it as an OS and had a line editor as its shell. Then I "learned" some C and C++. Then I took courses in digital logic and CPU architecture, which allowed me not to just learn Assembley, but to know how Assembley language relates to the op codes and how op codes are related to the CPU's architecture. After that I have re-learned C and C++ based on my knowledge of Assembley with understanding of what C compiler actualy does, and now, looking back at my first attempts of "learning" C and C++ I can say that it was a waste of time without learning Assembly first.
And hell yes, I'm being arrogant, but I have a very good reason to be this arrogant. I meet people who think they know how to program on daily basis at my University, and all but very few of them know jack about it. You can't be a good programmer if you don't know exactly how the CPU is going to interpret the code that you write. Sure, you can write some simple stuff. You can even grab some libraries and write 3D engines, but they will be crap, because if you can't give an estimate of how many CPU instructions your code translates into, you can't write efficient code.

SargeMcCluck
9 May 2005, 00:29
If you do not know assembley, you do not know how to program. It is as simple as that. Learning Assembley before learning C is as natural of a step as learning C before C++. C is not a programming language. It is an organizer tool for assembley. By itself, C has no I/O capabilities. All that pure C is capable of is performing arithmetical operations on numbers stored in RAM. In order for the program to be of any use it must communicate with hardware, which requires an interrupt call, which is done in C with an insert written in Assembley.
And no, this wasn't the way I learned it. I first learned BASIC on a machine which used it as an OS and had a line editor as its shell. Then I "learned" some C and C++. Then I took courses in digital logic and CPU architecture, which allowed me not to just learn Assembley, but to know how Assembley language relates to the op codes and how op codes are related to the CPU's architecture. After that I have re-learned C and C++ based on my knowledge of Assembley with understanding of what C compiler actualy does, and now, looking back at my first attempts of "learning" C and C++ I can say that it was a waste of time without learning Assembly first.
And hell yes, I'm being arrogant, but I have a very good reason to be this arrogant. I meet people who think they know how to program on daily basis at my University, and all but very few of them know jack about it. You can't be a good programmer if you don't know exactly how the CPU is going to interpret the code that you write. Sure, you can write some simple stuff. You can even grab some libraries and write 3D engines, but they will be crap, because if you can't give an estimate of how many CPU instructions your code translates into, you can't write efficient code.
Total bollocks. There's a difference between being a great programmer, a good programmer, and just a programmer.
Let's look at the definition of the WORD programmer:
pro·gram·mer or pro·gram·er (prō'grăm'ər) pronunciation
n.
One who programs, especially:
1. Computer Science. One who writes computer programs.
2. One who prepares or writes instructional programs.
You can write a program (however inefficient) without knowing Assembly. Nobody in my Computing class knows Assembly (except me). They all can write computer programs. Therefore, they are programmers. QED.

K^2
9 May 2005, 00:43
Yes, and the person who just mashes keys on a keyboard at random is techincally using a computer. A person who does not know Assembly cannot know C. That is all.
Edit: Simple test. Catch someone who knows nothing about Assembley, but thinks that he knows C. Ask that person why:
int x[10];
0[x+9]=1;
Is technically a correct way of addressing the 10th element of the array at x.

Zero72
9 May 2005, 02:42
bbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRR RrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.
:)

Paul.Power
9 May 2005, 08:54
All I can say is, if it gets the right answer out, then I've programmed it okay.
But then I'm a mathmo. As long as it's got loops, branches, all the necessary operators and an input/output system, I'm good to go.

K^2
9 May 2005, 09:46
And C doesn't have input/output. :p

bloopy
9 May 2005, 09:50
You can't be a good programmer if you don't know exactly how the CPU is going to interpret the code that you write.
On the contrary, you don't need any such things as a CPU or assembly to program. You are narrowly looking at a type of programming where efficiency is important. There are different ways of being a great programmer, eg. creativity.

AndrewTaylor
9 May 2005, 11:50
Yes, and the person who just mashes keys on a keyboard at random is techincally using a computer. A person who does not know Assembly cannot know C. That is all.
Edit: Simple test. Catch someone who knows nothing about Assembley, but thinks that he knows C. Ask that person why:
int x[10];
0[x+9]=1;
Is technically a correct way of addressing the 10th element of the array at x.
Er, hello? Mister Khitrin, sir? I couldn't code "Hello World" in assembly and I know the answer to that question.
I know a little about assembly, and all I've picked up is that I don't want to use it, ever. You could just as easily argue that BASIC is just a convenient way of storing assembly instructions. It still boils down to object code once it's compiled, albeit bloated and inefficient object code.
double post edit
DALEK GAME!
http://andrewt.freeownhost.com/index.php?id=code/dalekgame

K^2
9 May 2005, 11:52
But this is allready getting into memory access which requires understanding of arrays as they are interpreted by the CPU. All that is missing is the syntax of Assembley, and as I said before, syntax isn't as important in the language as its structure. Furthermore, I could provide less trivial examples, which would require direct knowledge of Assembley, but none of them are as short and to the point as this one. (Edit: The idea was that most random people who think they know C will not know the answer. Exceptions do exist.)
And may I remind you that BASIC is an interpreted language? When you write:
PRINT "Hello World"
In Basic, you are instructing the BASIC interpreter to put that text onto a screen. When you write:
printf("Hello World\n");
In C, you are instructing the C compiler to put a call for a function which is part of your code. The fact that you have not written that function yourself, but instead just incerted it into your code by linking a stdio.lib into your executable does not change the fact that it is a call to a function written, at least in part, in Assembley language and compiled into a library. As I mentioned befor, C does not have any I/O. It all must be done in Assembley, though, most people just use the pre-compiled libraries for that.

Splapp
9 May 2005, 11:56
DALEK GAME!
http://andrewt.freeownhost.com/index.php?id=code/dalekgame
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!
Aahaha, I saw this on the Playstation 3 page on Gamespot... or somewhere. I found it strangely funny... and it's quite a coincidence that it occured on the game called 'Dirty Harry'! :p

AndrewTaylor
9 May 2005, 12:22
(Edit: The idea was that most random people who think they know C will not know the answer. Exceptions do exist.)
I'll have you know I'm as random as the next man!
Well, obviously not the NEXT man, since by definition he's not random at all, but some man arbitrarily far up or down the line.
double post edit
EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!
PRESS SPACE!

Paul.Power
9 May 2005, 12:38
All I want to know is, will it let me implement my algorithm to factorise large* semiprimes? Yes? Good. Sod what it actually does with the damn code.
*Actually not at all large by the standards of those used in RSA. The ones I used had approximately 9 digits. The ones RSA uses have more like 300.
EDIT: Whee! I've done the first Dalek puzzle.

K^2
9 May 2005, 14:16
All I want to know is, will it let me implement my algorithm to factorise large* semiprimes? Yes? Good. Sod what it actually does with the damn code.
If you are going to factorise numbers, you are more interested in writing optimized code than most game designers. In fact, you should be counting each CPU instruction, and you can't do it without knowing exactly what your compiler and optimizer do.

Paul.Power
9 May 2005, 14:24
Why did I know I was just asking for trouble with that example? :rolleyes:
In fact the project had a couple of questions devoted to the whole complexity business, with the curious simplicfication that "all arithmetic operations take the same length of time as each other". I tried my best to waffle my way through those questions, and concentrate on what I consider to be the interesting bit, i.e. how to get the damn thing to work in the first place (Never mind that it's been done by different people lots of times before. I get a big kick out of discovering for myself extremely obvious things).
I had even more fun with my latest project, which involved writing a program to produce a lumpy bumpy* graph, cajoling Excel into confirming that this lumpy bumpy graph was correct and not a figment of either my or the computer's imagination, fretting over whether I should be using Excel anyway instead of an actual programming language, and working out why the heck my graph was lumpy and bumpy anyway.
* It appeared to produce a rather interesting fractal pattern, actually. See below

SargeMcCluck
9 May 2005, 14:52
But this is allready getting into memory access which requires understanding of arrays as they are interpreted by the CPU. All that is missing is the syntax of Assembley, and as I said before, syntax isn't as important in the language as its structure.
Not as important, no. Knowing the syntax doesn't mean you know the language, but if you don't know the syntax, you can never know the language.
Also, a good third of my past two years in education for Computing have been spent on Assembly stuff, but we've never *had* to learn the syntax - We were taught about how the CPU interprets stuff, about memory management, all at a very low level, but we never learnt Assembly. You do not have to know an Assembly language to understand how things work. What about people that were even lower level than Assembly and used physical switches? They understand how it works, but they don't know Assembly.

Zero72
9 May 2005, 17:54
Way too on-topic. *dumps a bucket of hamsters and sausages into the thread* *sets things on fire*

K^2
9 May 2005, 22:39
Also, a good third of my past two years in education for Computing have been spent on Assembly stuff, but we've never *had* to learn the syntax - We were taught about how the CPU interprets stuff, about memory management, all at a very low level, but we never learnt Assembly. You do not have to know an Assembly language to understand how things work. What about people that were even lower level than Assembly and used physical switches? They understand how it works, but they don't know Assembly.
Knowing Assembley doesn't mean knowing the names for op codes, such as add, mov, int, et cetera. It means knowing how these things affect the CPU. For example, it is very important to know exactly how the jump to a function and return from it work in Assembley, but it isn't nearly as important to remember which registers are used to store pointer to local variables, return address, etc. That is the kind of stuff you can look up, and it is the kind of stuff that your compiler will put in for you. You just have to know how it works to know how many instructions you are going to lose if you do the function call rather than in-lining whatever it is that you are writing.

bloopy
9 May 2005, 22:42
Perhaps knowing assembly also means knowing how to spell it correctly? :p
*eats Zero's flaming sausages and spits out piglets*

SargeMcCluck
9 May 2005, 22:56
Knowing Assembley doesn't mean knowing the names for op codes, such as add, mov, int, et cetera. It means knowing how these things affect the CPU. For example, it is very important to know exactly how the jump to a function and return from it work in Assembley, but it isn't nearly as important to remember which registers are used to store pointer to local variables, return address, etc. That is the kind of stuff you can look up, and it is the kind of stuff that your compiler will put in for you. You just have to know how it works to know how many instructions you are going to lose if you do the function call rather than in-lining whatever it is that you are writing.
Knowing Assembly means just that - Knowing Assembly. If you know Assembly, you understand how it operates iwth the Computer, what each line of code does, and the syntax of the language.
If you don't know the syntax, you don't know Assembly. It means you know *how* an Assembly language (and so any language) affects data in the CPU.

K^2
10 May 2005, 00:52
This is almost as silly as saying that a person who does not remember the gravitational constant does not understand the law of universal gravitational attraction.
Besides, on the level of particular commands, there is no more Assembly. There is RISC Assembly, CISC Assembly, MIPS Assembly, and others, and all of these further subdivided into things like x86 Assembly, R5900 Assembly, et cetera. Of course, there are some major differences between architectures that are usefull to know when coding, such as the fact that in R5900 an instruction immediately following a jump or branch instruction is executed before the jump is performed, but for the most part, the Central Processing Units tend to have a lot of similarities from one to another, and understanding just one in high detail is sufficient for working with most of them, so knowing one Assembly is sufficient. This might easily change in the next few years, of course. The processors with parallel computation capabilities, such as Cell, will probably start dominating the market and change many paradigms of programming.

Zero72
10 May 2005, 02:39
Bowflex results are fast.
BUT NOT FAST ENOUGH11#~!@#~!23 RARARYARYR *eats steel*

OldSkoolCrazy
10 May 2005, 04:11
I know what you mean. I've been exercising at least 5 times a week since February, while I notice a difference, but I probably still have another 3-4 months to go. It's amazing what one girl can inspire you to do.:p

SargeMcCluck
10 May 2005, 11:34
This is almost as silly as saying that a person who does not remember the gravitational constant does not understand the law of universal gravitational attraction.
Besides, on the level of particular commands, there is no more Assembly. There is RISC Assembly, CISC Assembly, MIPS Assembly, and others, and all of these further subdivided into things like x86 Assembly, R5900 Assembly, et cetera. Of course, there are some major differences between architectures that are usefull to know when coding, such as the fact that in R5900 an instruction immediately following a jump or branch instruction is executed before the jump is performed, but for the most part, the Central Processing Units tend to have a lot of similarities from one to another, and understanding just one in high detail is sufficient for working with most of them, so knowing one Assembly is sufficient. This might easily change in the next few years, of course. The processors with parallel computation capabilities, such as Cell, will probably start dominating the market and change many paradigms of programming.
Umm... no. The law of universal gravitational attraction is a law of physics. The constant is just that - a constant. It's useful for the equation, but it's not part of the law.
If you'd said knowing how the internal parts of a computer work in reference to memory handling, manipulation etc. inside the CPU I'd have agreed with you. But to know Assembly you DO need to know the syntax, because Assembly (and so x86 Assembly etc.) are all programming languages, and to use them you need to know, amongst other things, the syntax.
A better example than yours is a real life language:
Even if you know how kanji work in Japanese, all the grammar rules, the few exceptions, etc. - If you know no actual WORDS, you do *NOT* know Japanese.

Paul.Power
10 May 2005, 11:55
Mmm, I'm starting to get fed up of the computer programming monopoly too (How would that work, anyway? Would COBOL be the Old Kent Road and C++ Mayfair, or something?)
So, uh... who else here likes bananas?

Zero72
10 May 2005, 16:29
I like bananas, but it's sometimes hard to find bruised ones. With all the mushy spots and crud.
That's the problem with fruit.

philby4000
10 May 2005, 16:49
I've discovered the perils of buying second hand playstation one games.
I have a copy of final fantasy eight with a scratch on the third disc that makes the game crash when ever I use summons. :p
A terribly slow game just got a lot slower.

Blinx
10 May 2005, 16:52
Belfast.
It's almost like the desires of a prostetute

MtlAngelus
10 May 2005, 22:04
I just went to a meal with family celebrating the mother's day, in this very nice restaurant a couple of blocks from here, and there was this guy playing guitar there. He played Stairway to Heaven :D

Zero72
11 May 2005, 00:07
Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3. Must buy Burnout 3.

FutureWorm
11 May 2005, 00:10
Belfast.
It's almost like the desires of a prostetute
What the deuce are you on about this time?

K^2
11 May 2005, 01:03
A better example than yours is a real life language:
Even if you know how kanji work in Japanese, all the grammar rules, the few exceptions, etc. - If you know no actual WORDS, you do *NOT* know Japanese.
Japanese has over 100,000 words. A typical Assembly arround a 100. Communicating in Japanese using a dictionary for translations is impractical, coding in Assembly using a manual is. If you know how the CPU works, you know its Assebley, even if you don't know any of the names for the commands, because it is just a matter of opening a book and looking that stuff up. On the other hand, a person who doesn't know how the CPU works can spend days with a book on Assembly and still have no idea how to program in it.

SargeMcCluck
11 May 2005, 01:11
Japanese has over 100,000 words. A typical Assembly arround a 100. Communicating in Japanese using a dictionary for translations is impractical, coding in Assembly using a manual is. If you know how the CPU works, you know its Assebley, even if you don't know any of the names for the commands, because it is just a matter of opening a book and looking that stuff up. On the other hand, a person who doesn't know how the CPU works can spend days with a book on Assembly and still have no idea how to program in it.
No. No you don't. You don't seem to understand this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language
Assembly language or simply assembly is a human-readable notation for the machine language that a specific computer architecture uses. Machine language, a pattern of bits encoding machine operations, is made readable by replacing the raw values with symbols called mnemonics.
Oh look, Assembly is HUMAN-READABLE NOTATION. So if you don't know the syntax, you do not know Assembly. QED.

K^2
11 May 2005, 01:16
I don't like to use dictionary definitions, but I have nothing better, so I'll plea no contest on this one.
Nevertheless, you are not proving wrong my original statement, which is: You cannot know C without knowing Assembley.

SargeMcCluck
11 May 2005, 11:50
I don't like to use dictionary definitions, but I have nothing better, so I'll plea no contest on this one.
Nevertheless, you are not proving wrong my original statement, which is: You cannot know C without knowing Assembley.
Yes you can. Because you can learn C without knowing the Assembly syntax, and if you don't know the syntax you don't know Assembly. QED.

K^2
11 May 2005, 16:12
C relies on Assembly for I/O => Assembly is part of C => You can't know C without knowing Assembly.

SargeMcCluck
11 May 2005, 16:36
C relies on Assembly for I/O => Assembly is part of C => You can't know C without knowing Assembly.
Not really. I do not have to understand how "cout" works to understand C, and saying so is total bollocks. If you don't give in soon, I'll ask a programmer who knows what they're doing (you know, the ones that said to M3ntal and I at the pub that everything you said was "bollocks"), and see what their opinion is. The ones who program for a living and have degrees in it.

K^2
11 May 2005, 21:19
You were just done saying that one must understand everything in a language to understand a language. Assembly incerts are a part of C. And if you cannot do I/O at all without a certain part of a language, it definetly is a very important part of it.
By the way, cout doesn't even work in C. :p
More than half of the people who program for a living know nothing about programming. I will not take a word of anyone who doesn't have a Ph.D. in some serious field related to CS. Preferably, a specialist in AI and/or Image Recognition.

MtlAngelus
11 May 2005, 21:19
You both are wrong.

UnKnown X
11 May 2005, 21:38
I don't know C, HTML, PHP, Java, whatever, and only two or three commands in C++.
I win.

Paul.Power
11 May 2005, 22:21
Presumably this is not the time to yell "EXCEL FOREVER!!!" and go on a rampage.
Aw. Shame. I've never tried that before. Not knowingly, anyway.

bloopy
12 May 2005, 00:55
A timeless classic.
:D My blatent looting of that treasure got added as an emoticon on cl2k:

Paul.Power
12 May 2005, 11:05
Well, I've finally got round to downloading MODPlug so I can listen to those Superfrog MODs I've had squirrelled away on my computer. They're very impressive pieces of game music, you have to hand it to Mr. Brimble.

AndrewTaylor
12 May 2005, 15:00
You both are wrong.
This is always the correct answer.

Paul.Power
12 May 2005, 15:23
"Maybe they're just wrong. Maybe you're just wrong. Maybe I'm just wrong."
- The Toad, The Wee Free Men, Terry Pratchett

MtlAngelus
12 May 2005, 19:03
http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html
Star Wars reenacted by... Vegetables...

Zero72
12 May 2005, 19:14
*128-mb ATI Sapphire Radeon 9200SE Atlantis video card get*
*happy ++*

SupSuper
12 May 2005, 21:58
http://www.gamesdontkillpeople.com/?go=archive&id=5
what's SargeMcCluck doing there?

Zero72
12 May 2005, 22:44
And now I start up San Andreas and proceed to rebuild the three hours' effort I wasted earlier because I forgot to save...

SupSuper
12 May 2005, 22:56
*128-mb ATI Sapphire Radeon 9200SE Atlantis video card get*
*happy ++*
And now I start up San Andreas and proceed to rebuild the three hours' effort I wasted earlier because I forgot to save...
i guess happiness doesn't last long, eh?

Zero72
13 May 2005, 01:48
Yeah, figures, doesn't it?

SomePerson
13 May 2005, 02:48
http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hydrogen/
So much for the Big Bang...

MonkeyforaHead
13 May 2005, 02:48
A letter I sent in to Scribes at Rare some months ago finally made it in. http://www.rareware.com/extra/scribes/scribes_content.html Just a little above halfway down the page. Interesting response.

FutureWorm
13 May 2005, 03:35
A letter I sent in to Scribes at Rare some months ago finally made it in. http://www.rareware.com/extra/scribes/scribes_content.html Just a little above halfway down the page. Interesting response.
"Gagged up like a gimp". If I had a nickel for every time I heard that.

MonkeyforaHead
13 May 2005, 04:04
Just noticed they actually published both my letters. The second one is about 2/3 down the page.
*prepares a big shipping box with air holes for Pikkul*

Zero72
13 May 2005, 06:02
Holy sweet Jesus on a blue plate that was a freaking huge ugly-ass spider in the bathroom that I nearly stepped on and got freaking huge ugly-ass spider paste all over my friggin' foot and it was really creepy and my skin is attempting to leave the rest of my body right now REALLY acute case of the creeps just now gonna be nervous in the dark for a while.

Paul.Power
13 May 2005, 08:01
Spiders seem to be in vogue at the moment. There was a small one in my room a couple of days back, dangling from a thread over the washbasin, and Kieran reported a largish one in the shower room.

K^2
13 May 2005, 08:34
I caught a few with a vacuum cleaner recently. Yes, I don't like spiders.

Paul.Power
13 May 2005, 08:46
Manchester United have been sold to Malcolm Glazer.
Tee hee hee
(Me = Unabashed United hater)

SargeMcCluck
13 May 2005, 22:19
http://www.gamesdontkillpeople.com/?go=archive&id=5
what's SargeMcCluck doing there?
Sestro is one of my best friends in real life, hence me being in it. The "Alex" he mentions in the news is me (as is the Alex on the forums).
Oh, and the Alex in the copyright notice at the bottom of every page is me too - The website was a project somebody did in Computing for their coursework, and I helped them out a lot with it - And as I rock the big one, I got put in the copyright notice. :D
K^2 - I said you had to know the syntax, not everything. ;)
Apologies for not replying earlier, had no internet for 48 hours!

PinkWorm
15 May 2005, 02:40
We wrote these plans
took the order the architecture
and followed them to the end
until the gears ground cold
and relentless
there was no remorse
we had none
we kept on with no trace of a regret
I never saw any blood
no soul for the body
watch them turn her scab
covered skin into stone
like a coal in the sky
searching for the dawn
for the last time
bloated with white eyes wide
we've come to an understanding
you lose I profit high noon
and there ain't no secrets
no more excuses
now our number's up
let them lead us by the throat
now just smile while the rope pulls tighter
guilty is an understatement
the hourglass is never right side up
and all the time we try to tear the script up
forgetting all the sour for the sweet
the paragraph has never been so empty
the mother dies with infant in arms
the lifeless test tube, look what she's done
evolution gave us a clock
that's always winding down
and if anyone actually knew what song this is before googling it, you get a cookie.

K^2
15 May 2005, 02:56
K^2 - I said you had to know the syntax, not everything. ;)
Apologies for not replying earlier, had no internet for 48 hours!
It was about time one of stoped replying to the posts related to that discussion anyways.

FutureWorm
15 May 2005, 04:04
We wrote these plans
took the order the architecture
and followed them to the end
until the gears ground cold
and relentless
there was no remorse
we had none
we kept on with no trace of a regret
I never saw any blood
no soul for the body
watch them turn her scab
covered skin into stone
like a coal in the sky
searching for the dawn
for the last time
bloated with white eyes wide
we've come to an understanding
you lose I profit high noon
and there ain't no secrets
no more excuses
now our number's up
let them lead us by the throat
now just smile while the rope pulls tighter
guilty is an understatement
the hourglass is never right side up
and all the time we try to tear the script up
forgetting all the sour for the sweet
the paragraph has never been so empty
the mother dies with infant in arms
the lifeless test tube, look what she's done
evolution gave us a clock
that's always winding down
and if anyone actually knew what song this is before googling it, you get a cookie.
*Googles*
Dillinger Escape Plan - Panasonic Youth.
What, you expected me to play by the rules? :p

SupSuper
15 May 2005, 06:01
click here!!! (http://my.opera.com/SupSuper/affiliate/)
if enough people click there, i get free stuff. how cool is that?!?

FutureWorm
15 May 2005, 06:40
click here!!! (http://my.opera.com/SupSuper/affiliate/)
if enough people click there, i get free stuff. how cool is that?!?
Woot. :D
*clicks*
double post edit
I think this will be the avatar for the rest of my Team17 Forum career.

SupSuper
15 May 2005, 18:19
apparently, there's a mr. Hindara on OD, who shouldn't be able to view OD: http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=27249
according to who's online:
Hindara
Viewing Archives
Demo question flies hugely OT and gets moved.
i'm guessing that he's having fun staring at the "no permission" page (since it says Viewing Archives and not Viewing Thread) and vB marks it as being on this forum. weird.

PinkWorm
15 May 2005, 19:01
What, you expected me to play by the rules? :p
Yes. :p
..

K^2
15 May 2005, 21:09
apparently, there's a mr. Hindara on OD, who shouldn't be able to view OD: http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=27249
according to who's online:
Hindara
Viewing Archives
Demo question flies hugely OT and gets moved.
i'm guessing that he's having fun staring at the "no permission" page (since it says Viewing Archives and not Viewing Thread) and vB marks it as being on this forum. weird.
He might have had that page bookmarked.

MtlAngelus
16 May 2005, 05:53
Kung Fu Hustle. Best movie ever. Awesome effects and fighting sequences.
They should do movies like this in Hollywood, if the technology is there give it good use goddamnit!
They should focus less in already existing stuff and make original stuff.
Edit: I saw it in it's original language WITHOUT subtitles mind you, and I still tought it was just friigin hilarious and awesome. Can't wait to see it with subtitles :p

OldSkoolCrazy
16 May 2005, 06:21
Just watched the last Simspons episode of the season. It was a great one. Also Family Guy was funny. The funniest part being the random lengthy fight scene witht the chicken and ended by immitating India Jones. It was great! :p

FutureWorm
16 May 2005, 13:42
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=387528
Well done, Ben.
I like how all the fan artists just do the typical "let's go along" thing.

SomePerson
18 May 2005, 04:29
Dunno if someone has posted this before...
Store Wars!
http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html

MtlAngelus
18 May 2005, 16:37
http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html
Star Wars reenacted by... Vegetables...
Posted it in the previous page :p

SupSuper
18 May 2005, 22:20
am i the only one who thinks that the Source engine would be perfect for Deus Ex? like a DX mod for HL2?
also, anyone knows how i can get the Deus Ex font? not the logo font, i mean the fonts used in-game for the interface. anyway to extract them into TTF, or at least BMP or some editable image format?

FutureWorm
18 May 2005, 22:35
Probably not that specific font, but I might look for a look-alike if I feel up to it sometime.
Have yourself a look around here: http://www.dafont.com/en/

Paul.Power
18 May 2005, 22:42
CHEEEEZ WHIZZZ!
Invert The Transparant Eggplant Hat!

MtlAngelus
18 May 2005, 22:56
And now I'm taking classes on painting with uh whatever you call it, the average painting colors. And I'm gonna have a go at selling my paintings.

Paul.Power
18 May 2005, 23:02
And now I'm taking classes on painting with uh whatever you call it, the average painting colors. And I'm gonna have a go at selling my paintings.I'd say blue's a fairly average painting colour.

SupSuper
19 May 2005, 00:10
i got the Deus Ex SDK, which allowed me to convert the font's UTX into BMP. now... anyone know of a utility which can convert BMP into TTF?
i also got this for your amusement:

SargeMcCluck
19 May 2005, 00:34
i got the Deus Ex SDK, which allowed me to convert the font's UTX into BMP. now... anyone know of a utility which can convert BMP into TTF?
i also got this for your amusement:
Is that attachment the quotes thing you can get in game? I'm too lazy to check. ;)

MtlAngelus
19 May 2005, 01:12
I'd say blue's a fairly average painting colour.
*stabs*
Eh, I've never stabbed you before.
Anyway, by colors I meant the type of paint. I think it's called Oleum.
You know, MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT.

philby4000
19 May 2005, 20:32
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140676
Woot.

Zero72
19 May 2005, 21:18
I just burped Run's name.
But that's pretty pathetic. Next I have to burp Sarge McCluck's or AndrewTaylor's names.

FutureWorm
19 May 2005, 21:53
I just burped Run's name.
Just "Run", or did you burp "Lovell"?
double post edit
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140676
Woot.
R0X!1!!!11!1
I already have the Sonic Mega Collection for GameCube, but this will complete my collection of vintage Sonic games.

Paul.Power
19 May 2005, 22:27
You know, MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT.Since when has stopped me capitalising on pun material? Besides, this is 100%OT. We're supposed to go off on random asides...
I already have the Sonic Mega Collection for GameCube, but this will complete my collection of vintage Sonic games.Bah. I'm still waiting for that to come out on PC.

Zero72
19 May 2005, 22:28
Just "Run" this time.
By the way, I've been feeling nauseous ever since I sampled one of those non-dairy Bowflex just-add-water health shake thingies. Urgh.
And finally, I played DDR for the first time today, and I had a surprising amount of fun.

SupSuper
19 May 2005, 22:47
Is that attachment the quotes thing you can get in game? I'm too lazy to check. ;)i'm sorry, but if you're too lazy to open a text file, then i'm not telling :p

Paul.Power
19 May 2005, 23:31
Why have I just been PMed by a random 14-year-old girl?
Hi my name is Neo girl and i'm from DeviantART and I heard your from DeviantART am I right? hehe. :o
Her profile (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=27898)
Hopefully she'll never think to look behind the locked doors of OD for this betrayed confidence.
Weird, isn't it?

FutureWorm
20 May 2005, 02:27
As Gary the No-Trash Cougar says: "Give a larbage. Throw out your garbage."
double post edit
Why have I just been PMed by a random 14-year-old girl?
Her profile (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=27898)
Hopefully she'll never think to look behind the locked doors of OD for this betrayed confidence.
Weird, isn't it?How can she be 14 if she was born in 1992?

K^2
20 May 2005, 03:45
Either Paul.Power can't subtract, or he is working in base 10.00151 in which 2005 is the same as 2006 in base 10, giving him 14 as an answer. Knowing him, it is the later and he has a perfectly rational explanation for using a fractional base.

Paul.Power
20 May 2005, 11:57
Wait. Hang on.
1992 + 10 = 2002
2002 + 3 = 2005
So that's 13.
But she was born on May 12th... so 0 on May 12th 1992... oh, wait. I think I must have taken that as 1 instead of 0. Whoops.
13, then.
EDIT: Ah, the plot thickens. Seems she's a Lemmings fan, presumably brought here by the new Lemmings game that Team 17 are making. Why she singled me out for a PM I'm not 100% sure, although I imagine it's because I have my deviantART address in my sig, and maybe other people with dA accounts don't because it's they're primary homepage anyway (whereas Boot Camp is mine).
Anyway, here's her dA account for anyone who's bothered: http://lomay.deviantart.com/. Seems she's primarily a Lemmings cartoonist and sprite-comicer. And... she's... not very good (Well, speech bubbles int' wrong order and so on). Unfortunately, the old inbuilt chivalry circuits that we've already dwelled upon (I.e., the whole asymmetry when confronting male and female newbies) prevent me from actually saying that outright.

SupSuper
20 May 2005, 16:37
EDIT: Ah, the plot thickens. Seems she's a Lemmings fan, presumably brought here by the new Lemmings game that Team 17 are making. Why she singled me out for a PM I'm not 100% sure, although I imagine it's because I have my deviantART address in my sig, and maybe other people with dA accounts don't because it's they're primary homepage anyway (whereas Boot Camp is mine).
Anyway, here's her dA account for anyone who's bothered: http://lomay.deviantart.com/. Seems she's primarily a Lemmings cartoonist and sprite-comicer. And... she's... not very good (Well, speech bubbles int' wrong order and so on). Unfortunately, the old inbuilt chivalry circuits that we've already dwelled upon (I.e., the whole asymmetry when confronting male and female newbies) prevent me from actually saying that outright.i just checked her dA account and... er... um... well, as long as she keeps herself away from the Fan Art forum, i'm cool.
though i like the idea of us getting some lemmingers around here, instead of just wormers. you know, new blood. heck, maybe i'll come up with some lemmings fanart, the little buggers aren't too hard to draw.

Paul.Power
20 May 2005, 17:31
i just checked her dA account and... er... um... well, as long as she keeps herself away from the Fan Art forum, i'm cool.I dunno, some of it's okay. The sprite comics aren't very good, but this drawing is fairly decent, for Paint: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/17880179/

SupSuper
20 May 2005, 18:17
apparently, she's now having fun checking out the Fan Art forum... from the beginning!
hopefully she'll learn something from it. or not

Star Worms
21 May 2005, 11:22
On my shampoo bottle: "This is NOT food" :p

philby4000
22 May 2005, 19:05
http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html
Oddly, reading all that made me want to play FFVII again.

MtlAngelus
23 May 2005, 02:34
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/238514
This made me laugh :rolleyes:

PinkWorm
23 May 2005, 02:48
yeah there were way too many transitions in star wars episode three.
And the script was awful.
And the plot was awful.

MtlAngelus
23 May 2005, 03:38
I actually liked it a lot.

K^2
23 May 2005, 04:37
The dialogs weren't particularly good, but the story's good enough. I still think that no Ep. of SW has ever achieved the quality of IV, but III is still worth watching.

Zero72
23 May 2005, 04:46
Odd, I was just on my way to this thread to mention how awesome it was.

OldSkoolCrazy
23 May 2005, 05:00
I'm seeing it on Tuesday with all my friends right when finish are last exam. I just watched Episode 2 since it was on TV tonight and I did notice the transitions.

Paul.Power
23 May 2005, 13:49
I'm seeing it on Tuesday with all my friends right when finish are last exam.Oh, homophones. One of the great typo-sources of the English language.
(And is it all that surprising that the first time I typed "homophones" just then I misspelt it as "homophobes"?)
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My post count currently stands at 4848.

SupSuper
23 May 2005, 18:31
unsurprising fact: there are 603 members with worm on their nicknames.

Zero72
23 May 2005, 18:52
And they all SUCK!
Well, I think. :p

SupSuper
23 May 2005, 19:08
And they all SUCK!
Well, I think. :pdon't forget that futureworm, pickleworm, pinkworm and possibly some others are included in there ;)

Zero72
23 May 2005, 19:13
Oh yeah.
Except for them.

Traxada
23 May 2005, 21:12
You never see earthworm jim anymore, you reckon hes an alcoholic now?

Zero72
23 May 2005, 21:17
He works at Burger King.

MtlAngelus
24 May 2005, 02:30
Well, about a month ago we got rid of a lot of plants on our garden, this type I don't know how to call in english, but here's a pic of how my garden looked about that time.
So taking them all down was a pain in the ass because this things are extremely resistant. We then had to clean all up, which is now half done. And now we're suposed to remove all the roots. My mom called a gardner but he refused to do the job(...). So we're suposed to do it ourselves... and she doesn't want us to use explosives, which would be the most factible solution(I'll get a pic of the roots soon so you see why it's freaking impossible to remove with average garden tools).
Any suggestions :rolleyes:

MonkeyforaHead
24 May 2005, 02:43
He works at Burger King.
Yup.
characterlimitcharacterlimitcharacterlimit

SupSuper
24 May 2005, 11:57
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=391321&postcount=646
i can't bring myself to reply to this without insulting the crap out of him. someone else do it, plz.

SargeMcCluck
24 May 2005, 12:00
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=391321&postcount=646
i can't bring myself to reply to this without insulting the crap out of him. someone else do it, plz.
Will "You suck." do?
It'd better.

Paul.Power
24 May 2005, 12:55
Well, about a month ago we got rid of a lot of plants on our garden, this type I don't know how to call in english, but here's a pic of how my garden looked about that time.
So taking them all down was a pain in the ass because this things are extremely resistant. We then had to clean all up, which is now half done. And now we're suposed to remove all the roots. My mom called a gardner but he refused to do the job(...). So we're suposed to do it ourselves... and she doesn't want us to use explosives, which would be the most factible solution(I'll get a pic of the roots soon so you see why it's freaking impossible to remove with average garden tools).
Any suggestions :rolleyes:That's not Japanese Knotweed, is it? Evil stuff. My dad loathes it.

MtlAngelus
24 May 2005, 22:37
Hmmm no, altough I'm glad it isn't, I did some research and that indeed seems very evil.
This one is some type of bamboo I think, it grows quite fast and it is quite strong.

MonkeyforaHead
24 May 2005, 22:44
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=391321&postcount=646
i can't bring myself to reply to this without insulting the crap out of him. someone else do it, plz.
Invalid post specified. That's probably a good thing.

AndrewTaylor
25 May 2005, 11:37
The trouble with being a moderator is that I van see that post and now I can't un-see it.

OldSkoolCrazy
25 May 2005, 18:46
This is great!
http://www.planethalflife.com/potd/index.asp?id=493112

MtlAngelus
25 May 2005, 20:23
Lol homing pigeon! Nice.

FutureWorm
26 May 2005, 00:19
This is great!
http://www.planethalflife.com/potd/index.asp?id=493112
r0x!1!!111!1!

Paul.Power
26 May 2005, 09:55
Heh, nice one.
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Oh, sheer randomness of Liverpool winning the Champions League despite being underdogs all the way through and only finishing fifth in the Premiership.
Also, England's Test season starts today!

SargeMcCluck
26 May 2005, 13:23
Pity your map thread got deleted K^2. Well done though. After trying that map, I'm *definitely* gonna pre-order W4:M (rather than waiting for other people to tell me about it).

OldSkoolCrazy
27 May 2005, 01:37
Pity your map thread got deleted K^2. Well done though. After trying that map, I'm *definitely* gonna pre-order W4:M (rather than waiting for other people to tell me about it).
What he do. I missed it.

MtlAngelus
27 May 2005, 02:57
He got a map from the W4 xbox demo to work on W3d.

K^2
27 May 2005, 04:01
Pity your map thread got deleted K^2. Well done though. After trying that map, I'm *definitely* gonna pre-order W4:M (rather than waiting for other people to tell me about it).
See? That's why I posted it. I figured, if anything, it would only boost W4 sales.

Paul.Power
27 May 2005, 09:07
Would sticking it up on Dream 17 be an option?
(Though having said that, I know T17 and D17 are affiliated, so maybe it wouldn't be allowed)

Zero72
28 May 2005, 03:35
A three-legged kitten has been named after me.

SargeMcCluck
28 May 2005, 03:49
A three-legged kitten has been named after me.
They named the kitten ZEOR?
Best name _ever_.

MtlAngelus
28 May 2005, 05:14
Boris sez: "Meh" :p

SupSuper
28 May 2005, 23:48
worst than unknown people, is... well, unknown people:
[21:49] ihitterdal: hi
[21:50] sup_super: hi
[21:51] ihitterdal: oh, sorry. My mom needs me now. cu l8r.
i'm still wondering to this point if that might've been someone i know.
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oh, and this post by zero cracks me up: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=392968&postcount=44

Zero72
29 May 2005, 03:31
lol, I think it was inspired by Calvin and Hobbes.
They named the kitten ZEOR?Precisely. :) Avry did it.Boris sez: "Meh" KITY ^__________________^

OldSkoolCrazy
29 May 2005, 03:56
lol, I think it was inspired by Calvin and Hobbes.
Best comic ever!
Oh wait... we all know that already. ;)

Paul.Power
29 May 2005, 08:09
I need to read more C&H.
Mostly because O&M takes a lot of cues from it (well, that and Bloom County, which I should probably read more of too)

KamikazeBananze
29 May 2005, 09:59
Is there a difference between a CD-WR and a DVD+/-WR? I mean, can you burn CDs with a DVD+/-WR?

K^2
29 May 2005, 11:35
If it is capable of burning CDs as well as DVDs, it will say so on the box, along with the speeds at which it can perform the operations. For example, the box for my CD-RW / DVD+/-RW has the following info:
8X DVD+R
4X DVD+RW
8X DVD-R
4X DVD-RW
40X CD-R
24X CD-RW
12X DVD-ROM
40X CD-ROM
Unfortunately, it only burns CDs at the moment. I think it is a firmware problem, but I'm not sure.

SupSuper
29 May 2005, 16:26
speaking of C&H, i am SO getting this when it's out:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0740748475/qid=1115749860/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9563113-4073444?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

OldSkoolCrazy
29 May 2005, 16:30
speaking of C&H, i am SO getting this when it's out:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0740748475/qid=1115749860/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9563113-4073444?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Oooooooooohhhhhh:D

KamikazeBananze
29 May 2005, 17:56
A friend of mine(HUGE C&H fan) mentioned that to me. I'll prolly get it.
And K^2, I'm thinking of getting a PC with 2 optical drives. Should I get a DVD burner and a DVD drive, or a DVD burner and a CD burner? That's essentially why I'm asking.

K^2
29 May 2005, 23:41
I think it is a best to have one drive to be just for ROM, because all of the burning drives tend to be less dependable. I've gone through 3 CD-Burners in 3 years, and I'm still using the same DVD-ROM drive. Also, CD burning is much more stable than DVD burning, so it is preferable to have a CD burner. If you want a DVD burner and you don't want to or can't have 3 optical drives, it is best to have a DVD-ROM drive and a DVD/CD burner drive. I got mine for $100, but it is a piece of crap, so I'd suggest looking for something dependable rather than buying the cheapest one. Look on internet, ask arround the forums. I'm sure someone can reccomend a descent DVD/CD burner for a reasonable price.

MtlAngelus
30 May 2005, 01:00
http://www.filecabi.net/v.php?file=halflife2_dominoes.wmv
Woo.

OldSkoolCrazy
30 May 2005, 01:05
Ow. That would hurt.

Paul.Power
30 May 2005, 02:25
http://www.filecabi.net/v.php?file=halflife2_dominoes.wmv
Woo.My word, that's wonderful.
How much effort went into setting that up, d'you think?
In unrelated news, my computer is now called Geoff:
Hope says:
Would breaketh poor Sclom
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Sclom?
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Is that your computer's name, or something?
Hope says:
Stupid Cursed Lump Of Metal
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Ah
Hope says:
I thought you would know that
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Maybe I did. If I did, I forgot. Sorry
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Mine doesn't have a name.
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Ooh, I know, I'll call it Geoff!
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Now what can that stand for?
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
"Goes Everywhere On Fast Forward"? Hmm, hardly...
Hope says:
Hehehehe
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
It could be ironic
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Now how often does one get a perfect meaning for a random acronym?
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Hmm... I don't have any champagne...
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
*fills water bottle*
Hope says:
hehehe
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
It'd be rather disasterous too, a glass bottle full of liquid near a computer
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Anyway. I name this laptop... Geoff!
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
*taps computer*
Hope says:
-applauds-
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
I need a label now
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Heeere, floppy disks, floppy disks...
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Scissors, scissors, scissors...
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
The scissors are doing an excellent job of hiding from me
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Not that that's difficult
Hope says:
hehehe
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
Found 'em.
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
They were on the bookcase
Hope says:
hahahahaha
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
*affixes label*
Hope says:
Yes!
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
My computer is now called Geoff
Hope says:
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
"The first rule about getting a new server is, think of a good name for it"
Paul.Power | "You're the most ingenious fool I know" - Jack Levell says:
The one truly valuable thing I learnt from work experience
Hope says:
hehehe
Hope says:
names are important

bloopy
30 May 2005, 02:30
http://www.filecabi.net/v.php?file=halflife2_dominoes.wmv
Woo.
Classy! :D

Test Zero
30 May 2005, 21:04
If anyone's interested in the new Coldplay album, you can listen to it here (http://www.mtvasia.com/Video/Feature/20050530000048/index.html).
It's only a 64kbps stream, but the album's not meant to come untill Monday so stuff.

Zero72
31 May 2005, 02:43
Zeor the kitty!111!1!1

Paul.Power
31 May 2005, 09:44
Heh. Now you will experience the confusion of someone with the same name as you!

AndrewTaylor
31 May 2005, 09:48
But two Zeros is Zero.

KamikazeBananze
31 May 2005, 10:08
http://www.filecabi.net/v.php?file=halflife2_dominoes.wmv
Woo.
Someone's been playing around with Garry's Mod.
That's a Rube Goldberg Device: http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm. Check the link for clips of Goldberg Devices made by American high-school kids. And the original Rube Goldberg cartoons.
Garry's Mod is used to make tonnes of Goldberg Devices. Like a huge amount of metal, swingy poles and stuff to cause a beer to roll into a bath that a model is sitting in. I don't know where to find them. I've seen them on PCGUK DVDs. They're incredible.

Paul.Power
31 May 2005, 11:10
That's a Rube Goldberg Device:Ah, sounds like America's answer to Heath Robinson.
[link] (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=heath%20robinson&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&sa=N&tab=wi)
EDIT: And we're past 7000 posts!

Zero72
31 May 2005, 21:59
I did a couple of random acts of kindness today. I feel so special.

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