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Iguana
28 Feb 2007, 11:09
I have no idea why I deleted the past one. I'd blame it on drunkenness but it wouldn't be true so... Once again, discuss any type of animation.

GrimOswald
28 Feb 2007, 13:51
Too late, you've killed the funk.

SupSuper
28 Feb 2007, 15:45
Plus we just end up talking about anime.

*Splinter*
28 Feb 2007, 18:50
Would I be slaughtered for mentioning South Park? As the greatest cartoon EVER?

Plasma
28 Feb 2007, 19:00
Ok, let's see, again:
Tenchi Muyo OVA is good!
Naruto manga is better than the anime, and both are good!
Invader Zim is also good!
One Piece is not so good, especially the English animated version.
The Simpsons is funny! (and for whoever said it, the racehorse episode was from a few years ago! It's not at all recent!)
Would I be slaughtered for mentioning South Park?No.
As the greatest cartoon EVER?Yes.

Iguana
28 Feb 2007, 19:09
Yes. I mean, yeah, it's usually well written and funny. But other than that the voice acting, animation and everything aren't even close to being the best. South Park doesn't even try to be a masterpiece; just a way of getting a point across with the aid of humour. However I'd say it's still the best of all the "adult" cartoons out right now. ATHF is occasionally funny but there isn't much more to it, while stuff like Perfect Hair Forever just flat-out sucks.
Edit: As for One Piece, go read the manga if the animation annoys you THAT much. It's gotten better now, though; looks kind of like a high budget US cartoon during some bits. They've also revamped the commercial break/intermission screens and made everything look a lot better in recent episodes. Hell, the plot and art are still amazing, even at a low framerate.

SuperBlob
28 Feb 2007, 19:13
South Park is alright, but unfortunately it's made someone in me form use Jew as a main insult. Which annoys me because it's so bloody stupid. Plus, I just want to punch him anyway.
One Piece is brilliant. After Iggy posted the link to episode 1, I've watched 130 eps :p
The Simpsons now sucks. It used to be great, but now it's just not funny at all. Futurama is much better, and that's because there are still ideas available for it, whereas The Simpsons has just run dry.

SupSuper
28 Feb 2007, 19:16
The Simpsons now sucks. It used to be great, but now it's just not funny at all. Futurama is much better, and that's because there are still ideas available for it, whereas The Simpsons has just run dry.Couldn't agree more, can't wait for next year when Futurama returns,

Iguana
28 Feb 2007, 19:21
South Park is alright, but unfortunately it's made someone in me form use Jew as a main insult. Which annoys me because it's so bloody stupid. Plus, I just want to punch him anyway.
He completely misses the point then; isn't Cartman supposed to be the annoying, ********ish co-star that everyone hates?
Couldn't agree more, can't wait for next year when Futurama returns,
Agreed.

SuperBlob
28 Feb 2007, 20:08
He completely misses the point then; isn't Cartman supposed to be the annoying, ********ish co-star that everyone hates?
This guy's a complete moron though :p

Plasma
28 Feb 2007, 20:22
South Park is alright, but unfortunately it's made someone in me form use Jew as a main insult.
So that's where it comes from!
I now have more of a disliking for that show, because a few other people do that too, and I do not like it one bit!

*Splinter*
28 Feb 2007, 21:15
So that's where it comes from!
I now have more of a disliking for that show, because a few other people do that too, and I do not like it one bit!
Indeed, my younger brother suffers the exact same thing
Still loves South Park though :p

Pigbuster
1 Mar 2007, 00:03
You're blaming the show for something someone else does.
I wasn't annoyed with Dave Chappele just because everyone kept copying his skits. I was annoyed with the people that kept saying it.
It isn't the shows fault that other people copy their jokes.
South Park is great, anyway.

Kelster23
1 Mar 2007, 04:46
Hell, the plot and art are still amazing, even at a low framerate.
Ohh... I can really believe that... one picture (Luffy) he's supposed to be giving a thumbs up, and it looked like he was picking his nose, seriously.
But... that's just me. I didn't like One Piece... even when I read the manga. The stretchy legs on non-rubber people's a little odd.
But that's just me.

TintinWorm
1 Mar 2007, 05:28
I actually liked One Piece a lot, more than other shonens like Naruto, Bleach, and even Reborn!. I enjoyed the art, even though it's not the best I've ever seen. It's not my favorite manga ever, (I prefer the works of Tezuka and Urasawa) but it's fun to read.

MtlAngelus
1 Mar 2007, 08:59
and for whoever said it, the racehorse episode was from a few years ago! It's not at all recent!
Yeah well, it's been sucking for quite a while now.

AndrewTaylor
1 Mar 2007, 10:39
The Simpsons is funny! (and for whoever said it, the racehorse episode was from a few years ago! It's not at all recent!)
That depends on which episodes you compare it to.
Personally, I class any episode made after The Simpsons stopped being a quality television programme as a "recent" one and any episode made before that point as an "old" one. Under that system, any episode in which a race of subterranean jockey-elfs is discovered by definition qualifies as "recent".

SupSuper
1 Mar 2007, 15:11
I still consider the "Skinner's not Skinner" episode the saddest one of them all. Closesly followed by the Bordello episode.

AndrewTaylor
1 Mar 2007, 15:15
At least "Skinner's not Skinner" made some limited kind of sense. Not like the episode where it turned out that the NBA was monitoring the public with secret cameras and satellites.
Or the one where they did missionary work and wound up in grave danger that was never resolved. Or the one where they went back to the house they'd burned down in a previous show, stole nuclear waste, and grew mutant fruit. Or the one where they went on a reality TV show and ended up almost getting killed. Or the non-Hallowe'en one with Kang and Kodos in it. Or...

Plasma
1 Mar 2007, 17:30
At least "Skinner's not Skinner" made some limited kind of sense. Not like the episode where it turned out that the NBA was monitoring the public with secret cameras and satellites.
Or the one where they did missionary work and wound up in grave danger that was never resolved. Or the one where they went back to the house they'd burned down in a previous show, stole nuclear waste, and grew mutant fruit. Or the one where they went on a reality TV show and ended up almost getting killed. Or the non-Hallowe'en one with Kang and Kodos in it. Or...
I thought the most obvious one was that Bart's still only 10 years old! Even though he had an 11th birthday in one episode!
Look, it's a comedy cartoon! It's not intended to make as much sense as possible!

Alien King
1 Mar 2007, 17:39
Look, it's a comedy cartoon! It's not intended to make as much sense as possible!
Not quite.
It is a satirical sitcom with a mixed audience. It was funny because a lot of it did make sense (although was stupid).
A lot of the more recent episodes were pathetic really.

SupSuper
1 Mar 2007, 17:59
Exactly. If you watched the first episodes, it was very "an exaggeration of average joes", with its cartoony humour, which was what made it good and new at the time.
Another big problem of Simpsons now is that the recent episodes try to have both continuity and non-continuity. It has events that affect other episodes, stories, changing characters, episode references, and at the same time has lots of stuff that has absolutely no effect on what goes on and/or is completely disregarded once the episode ends.
The result is a bloody mess filled with plotholes, things that don't make sense in context (or even without), and just overall confusion.

*Splinter*
1 Mar 2007, 18:54
At least "Skinner's not Skinner" made some limited kind of sense. Not like the episode where it turned out that the NBA was monitoring the public with secret cameras and satellites.
Or the one where they did missionary work and wound up in grave danger that was never resolved. Or the one where they went back to the house they'd burned down in a previous show, stole nuclear waste, and grew mutant fruit. Or the one where they went on a reality TV show and ended up almost getting killed. Or the non-Hallowe'en one with Kang and Kodos in it. Or...
All those episodes (and the mini-jockeys) are what I call 'old' (and rubbish)
The NEW ones (very newest, on every now and then on sky one) are goood

SuperBlob
1 Mar 2007, 19:16
All those episodes (and the mini-jockeys) are what I call 'old' (and rubbish)
The NEW ones (very newest, on every now and then on sky one) are goood
You...are...VERY...bizarre
*backs away very slowly*

Alien King
1 Mar 2007, 19:24
All those episodes (and the mini-jockeys) are what I call 'old' (and rubbish)
The NEW ones (very newest, on every now and then on sky one) are goood
So what do you call the episodes from Season 1?

MtlAngelus
1 Mar 2007, 21:14
So what do you call the episodes from Season 1?
Ancient, d'oh!

GrimOswald
1 Mar 2007, 23:55
Hmm, I don't think the new simpsons are as good as many of the older ones (I say new, but I imagine we're rather behind here in NZ :() but I still think they're good.

Pigbuster
2 Mar 2007, 04:18
I think The Simpsons jumped the shark back in that one episode with around 3 jokes with some Russians dropping a swordfish out of their satellite.
And it suddenly ended with them all surfing. For no reason.
The show stopped being interesting. It was just jokes (lame ones) lined up next to each other, and there wasn't any meaning behind anything.
I remember when I actually used to CARE about the characters. I won't bother with the show anymore unless you tell me that they know how to take their characters seriously again.

AndrewTaylor
2 Mar 2007, 10:28
Exactly.
Oddly enough, some of the very latest ones (at least, back when I could be bothered watching occasionally) weren't bad. They weren't up to the original standards, but they were nothing like as bad as some of the rubbish inbetween.
The thing is that the producers must have realised at some point that The Simpsons had been popular long enough that people would watch it whether or not it was any good at all. Then they fired everyone with the remotest spark of creative talent and apparently programmed a computer to write new episodes.
I submit this theory based on five seconds of one episode. The Simpsons are walking through a forest (which later turns out to be inside a racing track for reasons which are never made clear) and pass a tree with someone's initials carved into it. Lisa ponders aloud why people think she would be interested in seeing their names. Then, a huge message is superimposed on the screen in a flashy, rotating way, which tells us who wrote the episode.
Which is a **** joke. I'm sorry but it is. And the thing is that if there had been even one person involved in the production of that episode who had not had their spirits crushed and their creativity stifled, they would have spotted the infinitely funnier joke one inch away.
About fifteen seconds before this "joke" happened, the opening credits ended. Had they just reordered a couple of conversations that had no bearing on the eventual plot then they could have made the joke work without a huge superimposed message because the bottom of the screen would have read "Executive producer - Matt Groening" anyway. That would have been funny and clever, and while some people might have missed it at least those that hadn't would have enjoyed it.
The joke they were going for is "we hate when people put their names on trees but we put ours on the TV show and don't think anything of it, isn't that amusingly quaint of us?" but when you only put your name on the TV show to make that joke work it doesn't make any sense, and isn't funny on any level. It's just pathetic.
But that is the attitude the show took: big, obvious jokes like Homer getting badly hurt, or the fourth wall being smashed, or a really crummy song. When the show had become popular using subtle, clever humour punctuated with one-liners for the benefit of any idiots watching.
It's pathetic watching it decline like that. It's like watching a much-loved uncle succumb to Alzeimer's (but not as bad, obviously).

Plasma
2 Mar 2007, 20:08
I think The Simpsons jumped the shark back in that one episode with around 3 jokes with some Russians dropping a swordfish out of their satellite.
And it suddenly ended with them all surfing. For no reason.
You do realise that they weren't surfing, right? Because it looks like you completely missed the joke there!

wigwam the
2 Mar 2007, 20:13
I'm kinda glad I'm not getting the most recent series now.
I'm just getting the old series here.
and they were surfing.

Plasma
2 Mar 2007, 20:16
and they were surfing.
...
No, the point was that they weren't really surfing, and that it was a fourth-wall-breaking con itself.

wigwam the
2 Mar 2007, 20:19
...
No, the point was that they weren't really surfing, and that it was a fourth-wall-breaking con itself.
ermm... I can't have noticed that point.
but it did look like they were surfing, so I assumed they were.

Pigbuster
2 Mar 2007, 20:56
They were on surfboards. On top of waves.
I really wonder what you believe qualifies as surfing.
And it doesn't matter. It was still a sudden, random event that ended the episode without resolving anything.

Iguana
3 Mar 2007, 11:54
On the subject of Simpsons, Lawl, dubs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtdePNVzJQQ) I heard he's planning to make it more Futuramaish with a few serious moments, so it can't be too bad.
As for anime and people hating it stuff like this may be one of the main reasons. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Anime_Awards) Seriously, Pokemon and Inuyasha? What the hell?

AndrewTaylor
3 Mar 2007, 12:00
I heard he's planning to make it more Futuramaish with a few serious moments, so it can't be too bad.
The whole problem is that The Simpsons started out as one thing and now it's something else. Trying to make it a third different thing is a gamble that could end up just disillusioning everybody. If he wants to make a show that's more like Futurama, how about Futurama? Or start something new. You don't have to keep bashing away at The Simpsons. It's had it's day. Let it die with what little dignity remains it.

Iguana
3 Mar 2007, 12:10
Actually, that was mostly an uninspired example on my part. I think he meant it won't be just a load of jokes.

Plasma
3 Mar 2007, 12:42
As for anime and people hating it stuff like this may be one of the main reasons. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Anime_Awards) Seriously, Pokemon and Inuyasha? What the hell?
No, Pokemon genuinely is a great children's show! Just because your age group doesn't like it doesn't mean it's terrible!

AndrewTaylor
3 Mar 2007, 12:44
I think he meant it won't be just a load of jokes.
It's not "a load of jokes" now. :p

Alien King
3 Mar 2007, 13:04
No, Pokemon genuinely is a great children's show! Just because your age group doesn't like it doesn't mean it's terrible!
No, even as a children's shows it's terrible.

Pigbuster
3 Mar 2007, 16:58
No, Pokemon genuinely is a great children's show! Just because your age group doesn't like it doesn't mean it's terrible!
Yes, that's true.
...back in the first season or so.
Now every single episode follows a predictable formula. It insults children's intelligence. They are more than capable of understanding somewhat serious issues and actual plot.
"Ash and friend's are in a NEW AREA. Ash is EXCITED to get a new badge/continue current adventure. OH SNAP they meet someone. They're someone who uses pokémon in their job/a trainer too. They have a pokémon/pokémons but... OH NO. It/one of them has some sort of PROBLEM. They are sad/mad/OVERWROUGHT WITH EMOTION, and the trainer/actor/dancer/something DOESN'T KNOW WHY.
So Ash tries to FIND OUT.
HE DOES.
Now the pokémon is HAPPY.
UH OH. TEAM ROCKET!!!!!!!!!.!>!o!exclamationpoint!!
They have a ROBOT.
Ash attacks and blasts them away with pikachu using THUNDERBOLT/the troubled pokémon blasts them away and saves everyone by learning THE TRUE POWER OF COURAGE.
Ash & buds say goodbye to their NEW FRIEND on a sunset-lit road. They promise to meet again someday.
They won't.
TO BE CONTINUEDD!!
Oh, and there will be one billion BrockLIKESWOMENSbutnowhisbuddyisPULLINGHIMAWAYBYHI SEARLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOFFALS jokes per episode.
And Team Rocket will never last longer than 3 minutes, tops.

Plasma
3 Mar 2007, 17:00
Yes, that's true.
...back in the first season or so.
Now every single episode follows a predictable formula. It insults children's intelligence. They are more than capable of understanding somewhat serious issues and actual plot.
Yeah, that's true!

Kelster23
3 Mar 2007, 17:16
Team Rocket was the best part:mad:
It was better before they made Team Aqua/Magma.

Metal Alex
3 Mar 2007, 18:58
Well, I saw a bit of that pokemon series back in the day... it was quite awful for me :p
Also, it was disapointing. Why? Because the game was good, and the next versions were even better. Yes, I played the game, and despite the plot could have been better, the fact of customizing your team to almost no extent, is a great thing, and even customizing your pokemon by theirselves, and the additionaal strategy for 2 VS 2 battles.
Let's face it. The pokemon series were made for children just to try to make even more profit from the "pokemon thing". But being so childish, it is making people think the game is too... childish, when it's just neutral.

*Splinter*
4 Mar 2007, 19:10
Exactly.
Oddly enough, some of the very latest ones (at least, back when I could be bothered watching occasionally) weren't bad. They weren't up to the original standards, but they were nothing like as bad as some of the rubbish inbetween.
Ah, yes, THOSE are the ones I meant, the others are undeniably terrible :p
The only thing that annoyed me with pokémon (when I watched YEARS ago) was the ridiculous incongrinuity (+spelling): "There are 150 pokémon! Some have never been discovered! Ash wins the leage thing and is now the GREATEST TRAINER IN THE WORLD! Now he has gone through a gate out the other side of his home town and... THERE ARE 1010671087101769 pokémon! and another league! and Ash is average again!"
Eh?
It's petty, but its the same thing that made me stop watching DragonBall Z: "there will be one legendary super saiiyiyiian! Probably Goku! Oh look it IS goku! And now its another guy! And now the rest! And now there is level 2 super saiyiiyiyian! etc.!"
and:
"Freieiza is terrorising the universe! Strongest thing other than legendary super saayiyiyian! Freeieza's dead! And now there are much stronger things! MUCH MUCH stronger things!
etc.!"

wigwam the
4 Mar 2007, 19:22
Well, I saw a bit of that pokemon series back in the day... it was quite awful for me :p
Also, it was disapointing. Why? Because the game was good, and the next versions were even better. Yes, I played the game, and despite the plot could have been better, the fact of customizing your team to almost no extent, is a great thing, and even customizing your pokemon by theirselves, and the additionaal strategy for 2 VS 2 battles.
Let's face it. The pokemon series were made for children just to try to make even more profit from the "pokemon thing". But being so childish, it is making people think the game is too... childish, when it's just neutral.
I agree. it annoys me when people forget Pokemon was actually a decent game

Pigbuster
5 Mar 2007, 02:12
The only thing that annoyed me with pokémon (when I watched YEARS ago) was the ridiculous incongrinuity (+spelling): "There are 150 pokémon! Some have never been discovered! Ash wins the leage thing and is now the GREATEST TRAINER IN THE WORLD! Now he has gone through a gate out the other side of his home town and... THERE ARE 1010671087101769 pokémon! and another league! and Ash is average again!"
Eh?
It's petty, but its the same thing that made me stop watching DragonBall Z: "there will be one legendary super saiiyiyiian! Probably Goku! Oh look it IS goku! And now its another guy! And now the rest! And now there is level 2 super saiyiiyiyian! etc.!"
and:
"Freieiza is terrorising the universe! Strongest thing other than legendary super saayiyiyian! Freeieza's dead! And now there are much stronger things! MUCH MUCH stronger things!
etc.!"
It makes sense that they'd do that. It's a common plot-device to have some an antagonist that is more powerful than the hero. If the hero really WAS the most powerful being in the universe, then... well, who would fight him?
Of course, they could quite easily dodge that by insinuating that Frieza ISN'T the most powerful being around, or that there WEREN'T only 150 pokémon.
Though that might be because the writers weren't sure if the show would be renewed for another season, so they didn't leave us on a cliff hanger.
Thing is, even if the hero DOES become really strong, there are others ways to advance a plot. Rather than leave to go on to the next nation, Ash could've stayed on Kanto and taken over as leader of the elite 4, rather then going off to become average again. Then he could've had to deal with more complex and interesting things, perhaps dealing more with taking down Giovanni or Mewtwo.
Hell, even if they had to show the other nations since they wanted to show off the world in the new games, they could've had Ash go there, but as more of a leader or ambassador, rather than the low-level trainer he becomes anew every season.
Gah. I'm depressing myself by talking about ways a show could've been good. :p
And yes, pokémon was great. Gold & Silver were the best Game Boy Color era games , IMO.

MtlAngelus
5 Mar 2007, 04:28
Bleach ftw! :p

Pigbuster
5 Mar 2007, 05:33
Has Bleach NOT been mentioned yet?
Huh.
You'd think with the number of times this thread has gone to animé it would've come up.

*Splinter*
5 Mar 2007, 17:22
Of course, they could quite easily dodge that by insinuating that Frieza ISN'T the most powerful being around, or that there WEREN'T only 150 pokémon.
Though that might be because the writers weren't sure if the show would be renewed for another season, so they didn't leave us on a cliff hanger.
Thing is, even if the hero DOES become really strong, there are others ways to advance a plot. Rather than leave to go on to the next nation, Ash could've stayed on Kanto and taken over as leader of the elite 4, rather then going off to become average again. Then he could've had to deal with more complex and interesting things, perhaps dealing more with taking down Giovanni or Mewtwo.
Hell, even if they had to show the other nations since they wanted to show off the world in the new games, they could've had Ash go there, but as more of a leader or ambassador, rather than the low-level trainer he becomes anew every season.
My, slightly belaboured, point precisely :)

Alien King
5 Mar 2007, 18:28
I agree. it annoys me when people forget Pokemon was actually a decent game
I would like to emphasise the 'was' in that sentence.
They shouldn't have gone beyond Yellow.
In fact, they shouldn't have made yellow.

Pigbuster
5 Mar 2007, 21:50
Oh, gold & silver were good, too. Admit it.
After that, though, yes. They started getting bad after the game boy era.

Alien King
5 Mar 2007, 21:57
Oh, gold & silver were good, too. Admit it.
No, the colours became horrible, the attacks were strange and the names and designs became ugly.

Pigbuster
5 Mar 2007, 21:59
NO THEY DIDN'T :mad:
TAKE THIS!
*nerdy slap for 7 damage*

Alien King
5 Mar 2007, 22:09
NO THEY DIDN'T :mad:
TAKE THIS!
*nerdy slap for 7 damage*
*Pulls out red and white ball*
*Throws it at PBs head*
15 Damage!
*small suffocated creature pops out*
Yes, they did suck. And frankly, some of the animations looked so bad.

Cisken1
5 Mar 2007, 23:21
Manga rulez!
That is all...

Kelster23
6 Mar 2007, 00:22
Manga rulez!
That is all...
Second'd'd'd'd!

Metal Alex
6 Mar 2007, 01:04
Yes, they did suck. And frankly, some of the animations looked so bad.
they could be better, yes, but the only thing I will remember is that they fixed the type advantage... come on, I'll never forget that in the original, it was almost random for dual types...
And the only gba one I played was the red blue remake... and it wasn't so awful.
Anyways, as any other series, too much of it is not usually good...
(though, I liked the 2 VS 2 battles)
Back on topic, I vote for futurama.

Kelster23
6 Mar 2007, 01:10
Wasn't there some glitch on the Red or Blue that if you walked around in Viridian forest long enough ((or something)) a wild pokemon would come up and it was a 'Beauty'. I also heard that there was glitches like a rare glitch pokemon battle, and like infinite rare candies... :-/

FutureWorm
6 Mar 2007, 01:34
Wasn't there some glitch on the Red or Blue that if you walked around in Viridian forest long enough ((or something)) a wild pokemon would come up and it was a 'Beauty'. I also heard that there was glitches like a rare glitch pokemon battle, and like infinite rare candies... :-/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitches_found_in_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_video_games
the original pokemon games (red/blue) were probably the buggiest game boy games ever

Pigbuster
6 Mar 2007, 02:40
Missingno for the win.
I really wish they would've had it return as the main enemy for one of the games.

Metal Alex
6 Mar 2007, 15:04
Missingno for the win.
I really wish they would've had it return as the main enemy for one of the games.
What would really rock is adding thatthing to Smash bros... Come on, it would HAD to be funny, somehow.

Alien King
6 Mar 2007, 16:50
Missingno for the win.
I really wish they would've had it return as the main enemy for one of the games.
Apparantly catching it on Red screwed the game up. I had Blue and never tried it.
I can see it now though.. Missingo in SSBB.

SuperBlob
6 Mar 2007, 17:20
I can see it now though.. Missingo in SSBB.
Ah, the old INABILITY TO READ there.
Everyone said "Missingo", completely missing the fact that it was actually just a short way of putting "Missing number" :p

Alien King
6 Mar 2007, 17:35
Ah, the old INABILITY TO READ there.
Everyone said "Missingo", completely missing the fact that it was actually just a short way of putting "Missing number" :p
Look, Missingo is far more comical than Missing No.
We do know what Missingo is.

Pigbuster
6 Mar 2007, 22:13
What would really rock is adding thatthing to Smash bros... Come on, it would HAD to be funny, somehow.
I actually thought of that many years back.
It would be able to hack into the game and make everything all nutty looking.
And I think it was actually called, in the game, Missingno. Could be wrong, though. Haven't played Red in a while.

wigwam the
6 Mar 2007, 22:27
I actually thought of that many years back.
It would be able to hack into the game and make everything all nutty looking.
And I think it was actually called, in the game, Missingno. Could be wrong, though. Haven't played Red in a while.
if I remember, it was more like @!!...;
or something.

SuperBlob
6 Mar 2007, 22:29
"Missingno. (けつばん, Ketsuban?, alternately ’M or a sequence of garbled characters) is a glitch found in the Pokémon Red and Blue Game Boy games. Missingno. is an abbreviation of "missing number" (its Japanese name, Ketsuban, also means "missing number")."

Metal Alex
7 Mar 2007, 13:24
I actually thought of that many years back.
It would be able to hack into the game and make everything all nutty looking.
And I think it was actually called, in the game, Missingno. Could be wrong, though. Haven't played Red in a while.
When that bizarre code bar grabs a smash symbol like in that video, that could be its special attack :p
Well, I'm a bit scared, since I'm starting to believe it COULD really be playable D:

Kelster23
7 Mar 2007, 15:49
Question: What happens if that thing is on your team, and you upload your team into the old Pokemon Stadium(s) for the N64?
I've always wondered that...

Metal Alex
7 Mar 2007, 16:10
Question: What happens if that thing is on your team, and you upload your team into the old Pokemon Stadium(s) for the N64?
I've always wondered that...
It's on that page someone linked before... just random glitches, I guess :p
Anyways... is it me, or this is serously offtopic now?

Pigbuster
7 Mar 2007, 23:28
It will get right back on-topic if someone brings up another show to talk about.
And I think that the Missingno train of thought is nearly at the end of the line, anyway.

Metal Alex
8 Mar 2007, 01:31
It will get right back on-topic if someone brings up another show to talk about.
And I think that the Missingno train of thought is nearly at the end of the line, anyway.
oh! ok then! (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43885253/?qo=13&q=missingno.&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5)

philby4000
8 Mar 2007, 05:15
That area with missingno was the glitchiest thing ever.
IIRC, that was where you could perform the item duplication trick (Infinite Masterballs!) and catch pokemon over level 100. I once caught a Lv175 mewtwo with a health bar that looped across the top of the screen twice. After I used a potion it took half a minute to decrease to 100%:p )
Catching Ms and missingnos didn't always crash your game. I caught a bunch of them, I even caught the same one twice in one battle (although the second time It gave me a Ditto:-/ )
Also, Gold and Silver were great.

Alien King
8 Mar 2007, 16:48
IIRC, that was where you could perform the item duplication trick (Infinite Masterballs!) and catch pokemon over level 100. I once caught a Lv175 mewtwo with a health bar that looped across the top of the screen twice. After I used a potion it took half a minute to decrease to 100%:p )
Yes. That stretch of game area would replicate the previous scenario you were in. Therefore, it was possible to fight almost anything there.

Plasma
8 Mar 2007, 17:15
Also, Gold and Silver were great.
Second'd! Heck, I still play Pokemon Gold sometimes!
I haven't played any of the games after them though!

*Splinter*
9 Mar 2007, 09:56
That area with missingno was the glitchiest thing ever.
Except for glitch city! :p (safari zone glitch)

SuperBlob
25 Mar 2007, 22:41
So, what do you guys think of Full Metal Alchemist? I've just started watching it, and so far it's pretty damn good

Iguana
25 Mar 2007, 22:57
The second opening is made of win, and while I haven't watched much of it the plot is pretty creative and well done. Also, like all other anime, its devoted fans are damn creepy.

Iguana
29 Mar 2007, 13:54
The Davy back fight arc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuTco8jnUQ) in One Piece is quite hilarious, and unrelated to the main plot so you won't have to catch up. Just ignore the episodes marked as filler. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_One_Piece_episodes#Davy_Back_Fight_Arc) Afro Luffy FTW. :p

wigwam the
22 Apr 2007, 09:16
*bump*
oh my... Teenage mutant ninja turtles has been assimilated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_Fast_Forward#Fifth_Se ason_.26_Fast_Forward

MtlAngelus
22 Apr 2007, 10:00
Samurai Champloo!
edit:almost forgot: FTW!

Iguana
27 Apr 2007, 14:49
Samurai Champloo!
edit:almost forgot: FTW!
Proof that 26 episode series can have decent animation.
I've been watching Gurren Lagann lately (google it, torrents are legal since it's not licensed yet). I've only watched the first 3 episodes but it's already another worthy entry to the small list of anime I actually enjoy. The plot's a bit cliche and predictable (it's shaped like an old Saturday morning cartoon) but the art style, animation and soundtrack are all brilliant.

Paul.Power
6 May 2007, 14:35
*bump*
oh my... Teenage mutant ninja turtles has been assimilated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_Fast_Forward#Fifth_Se ason_.26_Fast_Forward
So that was the horrible thing I accidentally watched the other day.

Iguana
11 May 2007, 17:31
So that was the horrible thing I accidentally watched the other day.
Can't be as bad as the TMNT anime. I guess it's Japan's revenge on western companies for ruining their cartoons. :p
Anyone remember the 90s Batman series? 'twas better than half the super hero shows now from what I remember.

kikumbob
11 May 2007, 18:44
Nowadays, cartoon series are so easily made into spin-offs its quite sickening. I remember watching a whole series of Sherlock Holmes in the Twenty Second Century when i was little. They really were running out of ideas.

MtlAngelus
11 May 2007, 19:57
I miss old cartoons like, Thundercats. Or Silverhawks... they should re-make those series. :cool:

Iguana
11 May 2007, 20:07
I miss old cartoons like, Thundercats. Or Silverhawks... they should re-make those series. :cool:
They're doing a japanophile remake of thundercats.

Plasma
11 May 2007, 20:44
They're doing a japanophile remake of thundercats.
I presume you mean they're doing an anime-style remake...

Iguana
11 May 2007, 21:28
I presume you mean they're doing an anime-style remake...
Same thing.

Pigbuster
11 May 2007, 21:52
I remember watching a whole series of Sherlock Holmes in the Twenty Second Century when i was little.
That was the best show premise ever and don't you deny it.
Though I was dissapointed that the pilot episode didn't contain the perfect ending:
There was a Watson robot, by the way. You need to know that for this joke to make ANY sense.
"Elementary, my dear BOTson."
And then everyone would laugh. Roll credits.
But it didn't happen. :(

MtlAngelus
12 May 2007, 08:35
They're doing a japanophile remake of thundercats.
You don't mean this one do you? http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=24232
Because if that's the remake then I have to destroy the world universe before it ever airs.

Pigbuster
12 May 2007, 20:08
WB animation is remaking the Thundercats as an animated TV series.
The animation style is whimsical, Americanized-anime, along the lines of Teen Titans.
The setting is modern-day Earth, in a major city (possibly LA)
The Thundercats are all teenagers.
Their leader is Snarf (!) who is now a mystic with a "third" eye.
Each of the Thundercats has a weapon with an "Eye of Thunderra" and transformative powers (not just Lion-O)
When they aren't fighting evil, the Thundercats play together as a rock band. That's not a typo, or a joke. They are rockin' cats in their present form.
Mum-Ra now has wings.
And I bet he laughs a bit more than he used to =P
Developing...
Oh dear god no.
I thought Loonatics was as bad as it could get. This is... just... the epitome of crappy modern kids TV shows.
Teenagers. Anime-style. Rock band. Modern-day Earth. It's like every single cliché of suck rolled into one.
Oh Kids WB. How the mighty have fallen.

Iguana
30 May 2007, 12:25
Can't stop watching 12 oz mouse for some reason. The jokes are crappy and the conspiracy plot makes no sense, but there's something that makes it interesting.
Also, go watch Gurren Lagann for the love of crap. (http://a.scarywater.net/nyoron/) One of the only good recent animes, plus downloads are mostly legal since it's not licensed yet. Just note that 'Gurren Lagann 1 v2.mkv' is the right download; the other's a fake/joke sub.

Pigbuster
30 May 2007, 22:03
Can't stop watching 12 oz mouse for some reason. The jokes are crappy and the conspiracy plot makes no sense, but there's something that makes it interesting.
Ah. Yes.
I must say that I agree. It's intriguing for some strange reason.
Especially near the end when the plot seems to come together (And it doesn't, really).

Iguana
9 Jun 2007, 18:04
Just finished watching Dead Leaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Leaves), it's both awesome *and* disturbing. Great if you like "cartoony" art styles (looks nothing like regular anime), weird action scenes and a healthy dose of immature humor, I'd say it's worth a watch.

Cisken1
19 Jun 2007, 10:50
Pandy and Retro, two unlikely renegades, awaken naked on Earth with no recollection of their past, but with superior physical abilities. After embarking on a devastating crime spree for food, clothing and transportation in downtown Tokyo (which lasts for a minimum of five minutes), they are captured by authorities and sent to the infamous prison called Dead Leaves, on the half destroyed moon.
Once incarcerated, they orchestrate a mass prison break and discover the secret work being carried out at the facility. Over the course of the film, we discover that Pandy and Retro were spies working for the facility and the crazed warden is trying to get revenge on Pandy by recreating a deranged fairy tale she remembers from her childhood.
In the finale, Pandy has Retro's child, who comes out with twin machine guns and blows the warden away. A giant worm (part of the demented fairy tale) begins consuming the station until the mutant baby sacrifices himself so that his two parents can live. The film ends with Pandy and Retro crashing in the middle of Earth's dystopian metropolis in their escape pod, crushing a bystander below.
Are you serious?

Plasma
19 Jun 2007, 13:05
Just finished watching Dead Leaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Leaves), it's both awesome *and* disturbing. Great if you like "cartoony" art styles (looks nothing like regular anime), weird action scenes and a healthy dose of immature humor, I'd say it's worth a watch.
Err..... from the looks of Cisken's quote, I think I'll give it a pass...

wigwam the
19 Jun 2007, 14:38
Just finished watching Dead Leaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Leaves), it's both awesome *and* disturbing. Great if you like "cartoony" art styles (looks nothing like regular anime), weird action scenes and a healthy dose of immature humor, I'd say it's worth a watch.
well at least it's not in the regular anime style.
normally I like things that are different- so I guess it could be ok. don't think I'm interested enough in the idea to buy it though.
and the description on Wikipedia looks like something that went through a sentence generator. I guess psychological films like that would come out a bit odd when it's written down like that.

philby4000
19 Jun 2007, 15:24
I saw a trailer for that.
It looks pretty godamn awful.

Iguana
19 Jun 2007, 22:28
I guess psychological films like that would come out a bit odd when it's written down like that.
Uh, there's nothing psychological about it, it's just meant to be mindless yet entertaining. Wikipedia tries to find a higher meaning to *everything*; I could edit their Doraemon article claiming it's a deep philosophical show filled with religious overtones and it would probably stay unedited for ages.
I saw a trailer for that.
It looks pretty godamn awful.
Why's that? The plot IS pretty shallow, so most of the quality relies on its visuals which are mostly a love or hate thing. It's like a really high budget version of those cheesy action stick figure flash movies on Newgrounds, like Madness. I usually love unrealistic physics, cartoony facial expressions and stuff like that, so Dead Leaves was really entertaining in my opinion.

philby4000
19 Jun 2007, 23:04
Why's that? The plot IS pretty shallow, so most of the quality relies on its visuals which are mostly a love or hate thing. It's like a really high budget version of those cheesy action stick figure flash movies on Newgrounds, like Madness. I usually love unrealistic physics, cartoony facial expressions and stuff like that, so Dead Leaves was really entertaining in my opinion.
Exactly, It relies entirely on it's visuals and I can't stand them.
I'm all for cartoony and stylized, but the clashing colours, choppy animation and bland background design made me want to rip out my eyes.
To be specific, I saw a shorter version of this trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YV_DY0BGscE
Pretty much just the annoying repeated explosion untill the police show up.
I was actually pretty interested in it untill I saw that. :p

Iguana
19 Jun 2007, 23:15
You could give Gurren Lagann a try then. It's by the same team, but it doesn't use that questionable color/shading style, has much better backgrounds and runs at a nice framerate. It switches from weird and cartoony to generic anime a bit too often though. Still, the visual quality can range from decent to high budget Akira-level quality, even though it's always extremely stylized. And it actually has a rather interesting plot, although it rarely takes itself seriously. It's pretty much FLCL with less symbolism and more action.

Plasma
19 Jun 2007, 23:26
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YV_DY0BGscE
Hmm... so, judging from that trailer link, it's a japanese-style cartoon with a bit of Looney Toons animation and Matrix-style fighting, but held together by clashing, seizure inducing graphics. But with a godly-awful script that just doesn't seem to make sense regardless of how hard you try to look at it. And was reccomended by a guy who, IIRC, isn't fond of Anime in the first place....
Sounds like fun.

wigwam the
20 Jun 2007, 07:38
actually the animation is a bit choppy, it kinda skips around and you can't tell what's going on as millions of explosions appear on screen, the camera angle changes frequently and with the abstract background you no longer know which way you're looking at it.
nobody else seems to mind though, maybe it's just the action scenes. which is probably most of it.
Looney Toons
wrong.

MtlAngelus
20 Jun 2007, 08:00
I heard they're making a Thundercats movie. That HAS to be awesome, or the universe will implode.
And people will DIE. Of DEATH. Caused by UNIVERSE IMPLOSION.

Plasma
20 Jun 2007, 08:07
I heard they're making a Thundercats movie. That HAS to be awesome, or the universe will implode.
And people will DIE. Of DEATH. Caused by UNIVERSE IMPLOSION.
Indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundercats#Movie

MtlAngelus
20 Jun 2007, 09:50
Ooooh CGI. Well that makes it better likely to not suck ass, because if they had used real people then... yeah.

wigwam the
23 Jun 2007, 22:55
Ooooh CGI. Well that makes it better likely to not suck ass, because if they had used real people then... yeah.
I don't know, but I almost always get put off by CGI in films that began traditionally animated. it just looks wrong to me. well, mostly.
in other cartoon news- I watched TMNT:fast forward today- maybe it wasn't as bad as I remembered. unfortunatly it was- the plot of this episode involved them chasing a truck full of Halo clones down a pit, then holding onto the truck to stop it falling down, eventually ending with Raphael saying "it's no use Cody!!! they're only video games!!!!" before casting them into the pit.
nice to see them sending the right message to kids.

philby4000
28 Jun 2007, 23:19
http://frederatorblogs.com/post/4187
Samarai Jack feature might happen.
Awesome.

Iguana
1 Jul 2007, 18:07
New rule: feel free to discuss comics too. Western ones, manga, whatever.
I've just started reading Deadpool. It's pretty entertaining so far and it definitely lives up to its hype. Brilliant art and great writing, despite a few cheesy lines of dialog here and there (it came out 10 years ago after all).

Rikachan
17 Jul 2007, 14:20
One Piece is brilliant. After Iggy posted the link to episode 1, I've watched 130 eps :p
I think One Peice is pretty bad, the plot is really childish and the art is creepy >.< I like mature slice of life anime like Gravitation, it's really touching ^^

philby4000
17 Jul 2007, 20:56
Do not take advice on good anime from someone who calls themselves Rikachan.

*Splinter*
17 Jul 2007, 21:38
People have different tastes,and that we should accept.
Rikachan... Rikachan...

Plasma
17 Jul 2007, 22:04
What? I'm no anime expert,what's so special about her name? :p
"Majokko Rikachan no Magical Biyuuden" was a Japanese TV show that went on for about 60 episodes. It wasn't anime, btw.
Rikachan itself is a japanese word, but I don't know what it means.
So... I don't see what's Splinter's point is.

philby4000
17 Jul 2007, 22:38
RIKACHAN.
Rika chan. Rikachan.
Also note the ^^ emote and the recomendation of what apears to be an anime about the gay relationship between a musician and a romance novelist.
Yeah, creepy fangirl ahoy.
Edit: I really should have just linked this:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=592001&postcount=9

Plasma
18 Jul 2007, 00:30
I still don't understand,what's Rika Chan? :p
Rika Chan is just Philby trying to make a point that Rikachan is similar to Rika-Chan, which would be what a person called Rika might be known as in Japan.
Although I still don't quite get why that would make her bad at recognising good anime.

philby4000
18 Jul 2007, 01:46
Because it's such a horrible animu name, perhaps?

Metal Alex
18 Jul 2007, 02:35
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=592001&postcount=9
That will give me nightmares, seriously.

Dix-Neuf
9 Sep 2010, 07:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbGlVqKXTM
e: http://newtype.kadocomic.jp/psg/special/001103.php#extended better

Dix-Neuf
5 May 2012, 13:11
Gumball
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ax6r8Q7z1rv4ctco1_500.jpg
Motorcity
http://archivethumb.foolz.us/board/a/img/0649/89/1335600887274.gif
Kids on the Slope/Sakamichi no Apollon, a new show from the guy who directed Cowboy Bebop
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1qwksmLQv1qf56h7o1_500.gif
A new Lupin III series
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3h9jnU0841rqyzc2o1_500.gif
also Regular Show and Adventure Time but everyone on the Internet is watching those.
Lots of good stuff being made.

DeadMeat
7 May 2012, 18:33
Samurai Jack.
Star Wars: Clone Wars.
Dexter's Laboratory
Pretty much everything by Genndy. Except Sym-Bionic Titan, ugh...
Adventure Time.
I sorta like Generator Rex, but only up to a certain level.
Yes, I'm serious...
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
^^
Started drawing Worms again because of that show. Besides, I learned a great deal about emotions from it.
I don't watch any Anime, nothing seems appealing to me, although One Piece and Full Metal Alchemist seem interesting...
Seems to be all that I consider good... Most cartoons are utter crap nowadays...

Dix-Neuf
7 May 2012, 21:36
There's lots of anime for people who love western cartoons but anime fans rarely talk about them. Most of the people who watch it picked it up because they think western cartoons are lame, not as an extension of being general animation fans. One Piece is one of the few that actually became super popular in the west (I guess because it still has a lot of more typical anime elements despite the cartoony-ness)
If you're into Cartoon Network type stuff there's lots of Japanese stuff to watch.
http://www.catsuka.com/player/maruko_chan_drag_racing_in_1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV_DY0BGscE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRo8Z1Ser8 (not softcore porn, despite the title. I know this is a common excuse but trust me that this is way more about actual humor than giving lonely nerds a boner and a moronic concept executed wonderfully by some of Japan's best)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcTFbiQIr5w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4EfF85u60
And 70s anime tends to be very very cartoony. If you can get past the cheaper animation (and I mean CHEAPER, not WORSE - there were usually less frames, but in the good shows the animators made sure to make good use of those frames so they still look very good at times) it's a very under-appreciated era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW4hnqcRdRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVuOe3Awdc0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50VBZsNwuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JEi-Zq21cQ (okay, this is from the 60s but it looks damn good; was also likely an influence on Samurai Jack and Wind Waker)

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