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aem
28 Mar 2007, 07:11
Ok I'm getting so sick of cheaters. Just got done with a 3 teamer where every turn they both attacked me every turn no matter how good of a shot they had at each other and no matter if my last worm was all the way across the map as well as the usual helping each other out. Such as they easily killed 3 of my worms off with their combined strength and I was trying to escape with my last worm with 8 health. I girder'd myself in. They both have about three worms left. Of course one team goes and ropes his way all the way across the map, shoots shotgun twice through the wall, so the other team can come in and finish me off. This kind of behavior is becoming way too common.
So from now on I will continue giving negative feedback but I'm now going to file complaints for cheating on all of them and post their gamertags here so we can avoid them! Please add the names of cheaters here with a brief description of what they did so that we can all avoid these idiots. I will edit my post so their gamertags will all be in one post.
List of cheaters:
BN SMAJ3
Jeztur
JRWinn17
Blackout91
bloodych4rles
Bloody Kinkee
xKxRxUxNxKx
captkrunk420

gcowell
28 Mar 2007, 08:00
That happened to me with other BN teams. I forget which, but both teams were BN prefixed. Not good.

franpa
28 Mar 2007, 09:10
Bn ?????????

ruffle
29 Mar 2007, 09:39
Me too! I remember the name BN Smag that poop coloured worm.
Now i's only play 1 vs 1!

Haoshiro
29 Mar 2007, 17:32
I've had this happen... but I won! :D Some stupid mistakes on their part as they were too focused on brute-force wiping me out.
But I don't know if there is anything T17 can actually do about this, you'll just have to keep leaving negative feedback. :(

MrBunsy
29 Mar 2007, 19:03
That's not actually cheating though is it? It's not hacking the game or breaking any obvious rules.
It's not exactly nice or sportsmanlike either, but it's not cheating as such.

gman3_14
29 Mar 2007, 19:15
well..lets b sure to leave a unsporting feedback and not a cheating feedback..they are not altering the game..teaming up on somone is done in a lot of games..i dont really see how anyone can control this..the only solution i can think of is random matchings..but even then ppl can and will still teamup on u..esp. if u seem really strong

SpaceInsom
29 Mar 2007, 19:20
Once they killed you, did they then attack each other? This game doesn't really allow for team play, so I have to wonder how that would work.

gcowell
30 Mar 2007, 00:03
Once they killed you, did they then attack each other? This game doesn't really allow for team play, so I have to wonder how that would work.
Mine was two teams from 'BN' in a four player match. They wiped both the others out - not going for what would have been obvious shots on each other.
Once they were down to just their own worms it was even more interesting - one BN team obviously wanted the win by the way it played out as one was allowed to do major damage on the other for no reply.
I guess it's a way to get your Ranked ranking up.

probe
30 Mar 2007, 09:17
Look at it as unsporting conduct. I played a similar four player game, as I was winning the other players opted to kill only my Worms i.e. 3 players against 1, in this case I looked at is though I was the biggest threat to each of the players in the game. I've also experienced a number of instances where players have quit early when they are losing or just before I am about to kill their last Worm. I think many of them don't seem to realise that I still win the game if they quit early.
Just leave negative feedback, there's not much T17 can do about players ganging up on you!

SpaceInsom
30 Mar 2007, 10:45
the way it played out as one was allowed to do major damage on the other for no reply.
At this point it goes beyond poor sportsmanship, and into the area of outright cheating. I'd file a complaint. This is why I always host my ranked games, and I always set max players to 2.

Kingdangle
30 Mar 2007, 12:03
Look at it as unsporting conduct. I played a similar four player game, as I was winning the other players opted to kill only my Worms i.e. 3 players against 1, in this case I looked at is though I was the biggest threat to each of the players in the game. I've also experienced a number of instances where players have quit early when they are losing or just before I am about to kill their last Worm. I think many of them don't seem to realise that I still win the game if they quit early.
Just leave negative feedback, there's not much T17 can do about players ganging up on you!
Do you actually win the game then if they quiet early? What about, lets say (which has happened me a few times) that I was way in front and there where two teams left and the host quit. Do I still get the victory?

probe
30 Mar 2007, 12:08
You do indeed still get the victory. I've been in very similar scenarios when people have quit after a proper beating!

SpaceInsom
30 Mar 2007, 12:09
Do you actually win the game then if they quiet early? What about, lets say (which has happened me a few times) that I was way in front and there where two teams left and the host quit. Do I still get the victory?
If anyone leaves a ranked game for any reason, they loose. If there are no more players left in the game, the last one who stayed is the winner. It does not matter who was the host, if you don't quit and everyone else does, you've won the game.

AndrewTaylor
30 Mar 2007, 12:33
You do indeed still get the victory. I've been in very similar scenarios when people have quit after a proper beating!Just leave negative feedback, there's not much T17 can do about players ganging up on you!
I hosted a game on WA once; there were about four of us, all prefect strangers as far as I know, and by my first turn I had one worm left and nobody else had any homing missiles left. So I quit, and felt not a shred of guilt about ruining their days.
Am I a bad person?
(Wasn't ranked, mind. Had it been ranked I'd have tunnelled down somewhere and holed up with girders. Let them wear each other down and used my homing missiles in Sudden Death. I don't imagine they were very good if they used homing missiles on the first move, but I can't be sure because I quit before they even tried to use any real skill.)

probe
30 Mar 2007, 13:41
Well, the Darkside strategy would've been better! It's the two player ranked games where it can be more of a nuisance and a disappointment when the opponent quits early when you're on a roll, or quits just before your final moment of victory when you have three Worms (or even better, all four) left!

aem
31 Mar 2007, 03:53
It is definitely cheating, no question about it. I'm sure it goes something like this:
-Guy who wants win hosts game
-Second player (or maybe same on different console?) keeps trying to join games until he gets into that specific game.
-Those two players team up and only go after other worms until all other teams are gone.
- Host kills off other player for the win.
If that is not exploiting the system I don't know what is. Sure teams can and often will gang up on you if they feel a need to. Thats perfectly normal, but this is cheating.
One time awhile ago I had two worms fairly close to each other dug into the top of a high plateau and the 3 other teams worms were down below with plenty of worms down there they needed to take care of. Now my 2 worms weren't THAT deep underground and I wasn't ahead or anything but they were maybe a little over a grenades distance from the surface. What happens? On each players turn after mine they use air strike against me?! The first two had 0% chance of hitting me but felt it useful to waste an air strike to destroy some of the ground above me while there were plenty of worms on the other team near them?! I think not. Of course the 3rd air strike in a row took both of them out.
Rigged games = cheating.

AndrewTaylor
31 Mar 2007, 13:02
I don't think there's anything anyone can do about that, though.

Haoshiro
31 Mar 2007, 13:22
It is definitely cheating, no question about it. I'm sure it goes something like this:
-Guy who wants win hosts game
-Second player (or maybe same on different console?) keeps trying to join games until he gets into that specific game.
-Those two players team up and only go after other worms until all other teams are gone.
- Host kills off other player for the win.
If that is not exploiting the system I don't know what is. Sure teams can and often will gang up on you if they feel a need to. Thats perfectly normal, but this is cheating.
One time awhile ago I had two worms fairly close to each other dug into the top of a high plateau and the 3 other teams worms were down below with plenty of worms down there they needed to take care of. Now my 2 worms weren't THAT deep underground and I wasn't ahead or anything but they were maybe a little over a grenades distance from the surface. What happens? On each players turn after mine they use air strike against me?! The first two had 0% chance of hitting me but felt it useful to waste an air strike to destroy some of the ground above me while there were plenty of worms on the other team near them?! I think not. Of course the 3rd air strike in a row took both of them out.
Rigged games = cheating.
Sure, but did you perhaps think your position would have given you an advantage later in the game? It probably would have... the other teams fighting it out while you had your little safe haven.
The other teams could have easily seen that as a long-term problem and worked to even those odds, that doesn't mean they were cheating and rigging the game.
I've not played a Ranked Game with any player I actually knew, but I've instigated/participated in what you describe when it seems necessary for a chance of victory.
Opening up one player for attack by another can be a great strategic move...

alphamule
1 Apr 2007, 00:29
LOL Yes it can but it tends to lower the odds of people wanting to play you if you consistantly double/triple team them. In another game I play, people often gang up on the guy that is a well known thief or the toughest player. They know that if they go one-on-one, they'll die very quick. Actually, in T4C they'll probally die anyway because of the way the game balances defensive counterattacks.
I soooo have to get good at this game so I can play multiplayer - I haven't even beat the W:A challenges yet! The last Worms game I played was the SNES version.

SpaceInsom
1 Apr 2007, 01:09
I soooo have to get good at this game so I can play multiplayer - I haven't even beat the W:A challenges yet! The last Worms game I played was the SNES version.
Not really. Most people I run into online suck eggs at this game.

AndrewTaylor
1 Apr 2007, 01:34
Not really. Most people I run into online suck eggs at this game.
At least this explains why it was so hard to explain the game to Grandma.

aem
1 Apr 2007, 02:27
you people are funny. Its obvious when they are cheating rather than just ganging up on someone who has an advantage, etc. Surely most of you have experienced it because it seems to happen at least once in every 10 ranked games or so. Here are two more to add to the list:
JRWinn17
Blackout91
Kinda funny this time though. Looked like it was the first game for each of them. They both teamed up on me but were clueless. Again they never attacked each other and would go to great lengths to try to hurt me . They were around the same skill level (which was really bad) and actually were almost surely both the same person. They may have killed as many of their own worms off than I did (teleporting too close to a mine, accidentally jumping in the water). To top it off...I don't remember their actual team names but they were using teamname and teamname2 and had the same worms. JRWinn17 was the host and left when he had 3 worms left, Blackout91 had 1 worm left, and I had 3. I was going to easily win this one.

brav
3 Apr 2007, 11:17
I don't mind the whole ganaging up on the strongest player, but I too have come across the BN team, it was a 3 player match, the other 2 teams had BN at the start, also the team names were like name1 name2 etc.
Teh 2 of them ganged up straightaway, they even had worms blow torching in shifts to get to me! I submitted the unsporting conduct against them.
Thankfully I have had countless games since without this happening again.
I was in a ranked match last night, it was 4 player, and the host was winning by a mile, so all the rest of us kinda unofficially ganged against him, and killed him off in a few turns! He then said goodbye and quit, and the game disconnected.
What happens in this case? do we all get a win?

Kingdangle
3 Apr 2007, 12:05
Not really. Most people I run into online suck eggs at this game.
Pot, Kettle and Black come to mind as i wooped your ass boy!!! Haha. And I was intoxicated at the time. ;)

Plasma
3 Apr 2007, 12:33
...on an unrelated matter, is it just me or are a large number of the people that went on this forum because of WormsXBLA from Ireland?
I just got reminded of it by the two people above me...

aem
3 Apr 2007, 22:39
Gee this is getting pathetic. Seriously I think I'm averaging one of these BS matches every 6-7 games. This time I decided to snap some pics to show how the end of the game went. I didn't think about it earlier on in the match. 4v4 ranked, 2 v 1 v 1.
The cheaters:
bloodych4rles (even had a worm on his team named bloody kinkee)
Bloody Kinkee
ch4les was red and Kinkee green. All 4 of green's worms started on the right and 3 of reds did (I fire punched 4th into the water before he got to go). They kill everyone by them on the right and have 3 a piece left while blue's 2 are on the plateau above them and my 2 are on the left side. They constantly take crazy shots at blue, obviously they weren't very experienced as half their shots came back down towards them, but they weren't absolute beginners like the last time. I'll let my photos with captions describe the rest of the game, check it out: http://aem.allegstats.com/worms.jpg
Of course I managed to click exit without sending them feedback or filing a complaint for cheating.

SpaceInsom
4 Apr 2007, 03:09
Pot, Kettle and Black come to mind as i wooped your ass boy!!! Haha. And I was intoxicated at the time. ;)
I've only played the one game with you so far, and I won. Perhaps you were intoxicated at the time. It was darn close, though.
And when I say most people suck at the game, I'm not boasting, I just mean most people playing seem to be inexperienced.
Of course I managed to click exit without sending them feedback or filing a complaint for cheating.
That doesn't stop you. Just use your recent players list.

aem
14 Apr 2007, 07:48
Sigh..been busy with work all week. Log in for my first game in awhile. Guess what? Two friends playing together (obvious, similar gamertags, team names, and worm names, and talking on the mic to each other). Something has got to be done about this crap because it is extremely common. People think they can just play ranked games on the same team. I think about half these people are trying to improve their rank and the other half are friends who too ignorant to know they shouldn't be exploiting the system to play on the same team in ranked matches.
They weren't very good but as the first guy who went killed two of my worms because of bad placement and a lucky grenade and then soon after knocked the third into the water before that worm got to go I didn't really have any chance.
Gamertags:
xKxRxUxNxKx
captkrunk420

Wormetti
14 Apr 2007, 11:11
It's not against the rules since there are no rules. If it really bothers you then only play 1vs1 games. Worm placement is often the main reason for multiple teams attacking one player, it's just bad luck. Players usually attack worms that are closest to them (close worms are a threat) or just go for the easy kills (you get points for doing damage even if you don't win). Friends will team up and even strangers will make teams when it suits them but there's nothing that can be done about that and they have to turn on each other eventually.

AndrewTaylor
14 Apr 2007, 11:45
It's not against the rules since there are no rules.
That's not really true. By your logic if I hacked my Xbox so I could cheat then that would be OK because "there are no rules". The game is set up in such a way as to stop people from picking who they play against in ranked matches, to stop them doing exactly this kind of thing. Anyone trying to subvert that system is a cheat.
A good way to stop it would be to record the number of games people host but then never play -- everyone would doubtless get a few, but anyone who chalks up a hundred of them in a week, well it's safe to assume they're hosting purely to play with a friend.

Wormetti
14 Apr 2007, 14:14
Hacking the 360 or the game is against xbox live terms and conditions.
"Some examples of harmful activity that we do not permit include:
Using or distributing unauthorized cheats, macros or scripts; (vii) exploiting any bug, or making unauthorized modifications to any software or data, in the Service or particular game to gain unfair advantage in a game."
Some may consider teaming up as exploiting a bug but I don't think it's a bug, it's just dirty tactics and I certainly don't condone it. During the game people can beg for their life or ask you to temporarily team up with them, if only to kill you the next turn. That's part of the game. Some people don't kill the host off early since the host has to stick around for the whole game, I've done that myself but most of the time I try for the most tactical move.
If someone wanted their friend to join a ranked game, they could just wait until they join, if the game fills up before then, someone will eventually get tired of waiting for the host to start and leave. Keeping track of hosted but not started games would not prove much.
Team17 could make the teams/worms anonymous, that would make it harder for friends to tell who they are playing against but most people would be against that. It's nice to see someone you have played before, you learn their skill level or you get a chance for revenge. It would still be possible to tell which worms your friends had, it would just require some communication.
Personally I haven't found it to be much of a problem, most people play fair and if you play 1vs1 then there is no chance of anyone teaming up on you.

Plasma
14 Apr 2007, 14:17
Sigh..been busy with work all week. Log in for my first game in awhile. Guess what? Two friends playing together (obvious, similar gamertags, team names, and worm names, and talking on the mic to each other). Something has got to be done about this crap because it is extremely common. People think they can just play ranked games on the same team. I think about half these people are trying to improve their rank and the other half are friends who too ignorant to know they shouldn't be exploiting the system to play on the same team in ranked matches.
Doesn't XBLA have a reputation system?

KRD
14 Apr 2007, 14:22
Wormetti. Judging by the account and team names, I'd say the people listed in this thread use multiple consoles with which they join the same ranked game. They then always "win" with the same account and thus cheat. Stop defending them please.

Wormetti
14 Apr 2007, 14:30
Doesn't XBLA have a reputation system?
Yes but it seems to be useless and no matter how fair you play, some players will give you a bad rep when you beat them (this is so they can avoid playing someone better than them). It's mostly ignored. You can choose "prefer" or "avoid" this player and give the reason as "unsporting" but I don't know how well that really works, does it effect the chances of joining ranked games? Unsporting could mean anything, perhaps you killed their last worm when there were players with multiple worms left. It's war, not sport.
There should be a limit to how many points you can get by playing the same person in one day, that would help. If there is something like that in effect, it probably only slows your trueskill rating and not your other stats. A shuffle type match up system could reduce the chance of friends being in the same game. If you had already played someone today then it could give priority to joining a game hosted by someone else.

tkmaster
20 Apr 2007, 00:48
It is definitely cheating, no question about it. I'm sure it goes something like this:
-Guy who wants win hosts game
-Second player (or maybe same on different console?) keeps trying to join games until he gets into that specific game.
-Those two players team up and only go after other worms until all other teams are gone.
- Host kills off other player for the win.
If that is not exploiting the system I don't know what is. Sure teams can and often will gang up on you if they feel a need to. Thats perfectly normal, but this is cheating.
One time awhile ago I had two worms fairly close to each other dug into the top of a high plateau and the 3 other teams worms were down below with plenty of worms down there they needed to take care of. Now my 2 worms weren't THAT deep underground and I wasn't ahead or anything but they were maybe a little over a grenades distance from the surface. What happens? On each players turn after mine they use air strike against me?! The first two had 0% chance of hitting me but felt it useful to waste an air strike to destroy some of the ground above me while there were plenty of worms on the other team near them?! I think not. Of course the 3rd air strike in a row took both of them out.
Rigged games = cheating.
im sorry it sucks but they can go after whoever they want...
yes it could seem they are picking on one team but its not cheating... cheating would be doing something that you normally shouldnt be able to do?

Wormetti
20 Apr 2007, 09:52
Now that this happened to me in a game, I change mind mind, it is cheating and I reported it as such. Both players only attacked me and then when my team was dead, one team kept damaging his own worms (even damaging yourself counts towards damage statistics) and when they were happy with how many points they had received, one of them used surrender.

Plasma
21 Apr 2007, 11:14
im sorry it sucks but they can go after whoever they want...
yes it could seem they are picking on one team but its not cheating... cheating would be doing something that you normally shouldnt be able to do?
You shouldn't be able to have a second team in your match that's only there to kill all but one team.

tkmaster
21 Apr 2007, 13:03
You shouldn't be able to have a second team in your match that's only there to kill all but one team.
unfortunatly there is nothing in place to prevent it...
and it couldnt be prevented

CStubing
26 Apr 2007, 20:28
I don't know if this is a universal XBL thing or what, but from what I understood about the Prefer/Avoid thing, it affects which games come up in your search results when you're looking for a game. So, if someone you wish to avoid is in a game, you won't see that game in your search results. At least that's been my impression in the past in other games -- not really sure if it's accurate or not.

santosc
27 Apr 2007, 22:54
I've read through what many of your consider cheating, or rather, the suspicious behavior leading one to believe there is cheating amidst.
What I have found out most recently on Worm (and no, I'm no expert) is that these games are highly political. I always feel like I'm being ganged up on, because I'd always make my first move to inflict as much damage to as many teams as I possibly can. Then they all get angry and start killing me.
In the end they each have 2-3 players and I'm left with one with less than 50 life. I have suspected what you guys suspect: cheating. But, now, I'm more careful of who I attack, who's turn is next, etc. More often than not, I will attack the person whom I feel is least likely to attack me (someone is closer to them, someone else has killed them much more already, it's their last guy), unless I can prevent someone from attacking me. This way, I don't anger someone else and then have a 3vs1 match. I end up in a much better position this way when the clock runs down.

AndrewTaylor
28 Apr 2007, 12:01
Maybe you should lie low for a bit then and play mind games with them.

cngodles
1 May 2007, 16:49
Yeah, you got to play it like survivor. It's a social game, gain some friends and you'll last until you have to go head to head. That's why alot of these guys are ranked at the top, they play nothing but two player games that they host using the game level over and over again.
I'm proud of being in the top 60 while playing 75% of my games with at least 3 people.

ng3000
7 May 2007, 11:20
I got cheated today in a totally new way. I was host, but somehow I was a victim of network manipulation. My opponent hurt himself, then immediately afterward it went to "waiting for other players." About a minute later the game finally updated and two of my worms had magically been killed by the worm who just hurt himself, even though it was supposed to be my turn.

AndrewTaylor
7 May 2007, 23:10
That could have been an accident, surely? Maybe your machine was sent bad information resulting in him getting hurt, but in fact he'd killed your worms so the game noticed the desynch and corrected it after a bit of a pause to work out what had happened?
(Is that plausible?)

Cubos
12 May 2007, 01:09
It's not against the rules since there are no rules. If it really bothers you then only play 1vs1 games. Worm placement is often the main reason for multiple teams attacking one player, it's just bad luck. Players usually attack worms that are closest to them (close worms are a threat) or just go for the easy kills (you get points for doing damage even if you don't win). Friends will team up and even strangers will make teams when it suits them but there's nothing that can be done about that and they have to turn on each other eventually.............
q4t

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