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Cyclaws
20 Mar 2006, 23:58
Sure, even I like girls.
Do they like you, though? :p

Akuryou13
21 Mar 2006, 11:45
Do they like you, though? :p$50 on no.

Paul.Power
21 Mar 2006, 11:53
Do they like you, though? :pNot if he uses them as cannon fodder...

Akuryou13
21 Mar 2006, 12:48
btw, I never promised to continue the story line without interruptions. I plan to make both the normal comics AND the gardy comics. each day will be one or the other.

agent luke
21 Mar 2006, 13:18
hehaha! that comic made me laugh. like the part when plasma says: i have a cool toy! close your eye's! then i see the cannon:rolleyes:

WormOfFire
21 Mar 2006, 14:47
Now THAT'S funny...he he he:D

LightWorm
21 Mar 2006, 16:39
He he he... Cannonballs LoL :D
I'm such a filthy bast when I wan't to..
Nice to see normal comics... There is only soo much of a sigworm in a pink shirt I can see in one sitting...

Cisken1
21 Mar 2006, 17:02
:eek: OMG, didn't even notice that was fobos!
LOL @ last comic, that was so predictable but still... "missing your cannonballs" ROFL. :D

Plasma
21 Mar 2006, 19:05
Ah, that felt good.
that is all

SuperBlob
21 Mar 2006, 21:25
...how can someone close their eyes and follow someone at the same time? :p

Pigbuster
21 Mar 2006, 22:47
like the part when plasma says: i have a cool toy! close your eye's! then i see the cannon:rolleyes:
PLEASE don't do that. It makes you sound like a five-year old.

Liketyspli
21 Mar 2006, 22:50
...how can someone close their eyes and follow someone at the same time? :p
Uhhh... what are you talking about? :-/

Shockdude
21 Mar 2006, 23:52
...how can someone close their eyes and follow someone at the same time? :pplasma leads them with his hands and then shoves them into the cannon

Star Worms
22 Mar 2006, 10:30
Personally I didn't think it was good as the other ones.

Akuryou13
22 Mar 2006, 12:26
Personally I didn't think it was good as the other ones.ah well. everyone likes certain jokes others don't.
thanks for the comments guys, I'm feeling lazy this morning :p

Akuryou13
23 Mar 2006, 13:51
A MAJOR CHANGE IS COMING TO THE COMICS
first person to guess what it is gets a solo guest spot in my next comic. if no one guesses, I'll pick someone randomly.

Star Worms
23 Mar 2006, 14:52
Are you going to stop drawing them in paint?

SupSuper
23 Mar 2006, 15:08
Are you gonna change your sprites?

Snoozy
23 Mar 2006, 15:22
Maybe they won't be sprite comics anymore, but normal worms comics?

WormGod
23 Mar 2006, 15:48
It's gonna have a war?

Liketyspli
23 Mar 2006, 16:11
Put me in your new comic! argh, now i asked for it, didnt i?

Cisken1
23 Mar 2006, 16:15
I think Snoozy won a cameo...

Alien King
23 Mar 2006, 16:36
a storyline

pilot62
23 Mar 2006, 18:24
You're going to stop being meen to newbies?
a storyline
I think mine's more likely.

WormOfFire
23 Mar 2006, 18:28
Are you going to post longer comics?

philby4000
23 Mar 2006, 19:23
Every major character is going to be replaced by a man named steve.

Paul.Power
23 Mar 2006, 19:38
Every major character is going to be replaced by a man named steve.Including the cameo guy?

philby4000
23 Mar 2006, 19:47
Especialy the cameo guy.

Slick
23 Mar 2006, 20:24
I know what it is.
They are going to be funny? :p

Plasma
23 Mar 2006, 21:55
They are going to be funny? :p
Aku can do that?

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2006, 00:14
Maybe they won't be sprite comics anymore, but normal worms comics?CORRECT!! now, gimme a full-bodied image of your worm so I can draw it.
and here's the art style you can expect from now on for my forum comics (the gardy comics will still be sprites)
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30788605/

Paul.Power
24 Mar 2006, 00:19
CORRECT!! now, gimme a full-bodied image of your worm so I can draw it.
and here's the art style you can expect from now on for my forum comics (the gardy comics will still be sprites)
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30788605/Looks pretty cool. Looking forward to seeing them in action.

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2006, 00:47
2 questions:
1. pigbuster, how's the hat look to you? I'm not sure if I got the right sort of fishing hat for you.
2. Paul, I've been meaning to ask. what's with the "I lol'd at Akuryou" that a few of you have?

Slick
24 Mar 2006, 00:50
2. Paul, I've been meaning to ask. what's with the "I lol'd at Akuryou" that a few of you have?
CRAP! Hes seen too much!
CHEESE IT PAUL! TO THE LAIR!:eek:

Paul.Power
24 Mar 2006, 00:50
2 questions:
1. pigbuster, how's the hat look to you? I'm not sure if I got the right sort of fishing hat for you.
2. Paul, I've been meaning to ask. what's with the "I lol'd at Akuryou" that a few of you have?I'm afraid it's another missed memo, Aku.

FutureWorm
24 Mar 2006, 01:14
CRAP! Hes seen too much!
CHEESE IT PAUL! TO THE LAIR!:eek:
GAH RUN QUICKLY QUICKLY WE MUST MOVE NOW :eek:

Paul.Power
24 Mar 2006, 01:18
CRAP! Hes seen too much!
CHEESE IT PAUL! TO THE LAIR!:eek:"Quick, Getaway Boy! To the Getawaycarmobile!"

FutureWorm
24 Mar 2006, 01:26
"Quick, Getaway Boy! To the Getawaycarmobile!"
*gets in* HURRY THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2006, 01:34
I'm afraid it's another missed memo, Aku.where are these things handed out and why am I never told?

Pickleworm
24 Mar 2006, 02:03
*gets in* HURRY THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT
OH **** MOVE MOVE MOVE

FutureWorm
24 Mar 2006, 02:04
WE'RE RUNNING NOWWWWWWWWwwwww

Slick
24 Mar 2006, 02:07
Ok, we're safe now.
Nothing to see here...nope. Moving on now.
kthnxbye

Zero72
24 Mar 2006, 10:02
HELP ME I FELL INTO A TRAP WITH ALLIGATORS IN IT ghaghghhghgh

SupSuper
24 Mar 2006, 10:38
where are these things handed out and why am I never told?Because you weren't there!
*runs like the wind*

Horigan
24 Mar 2006, 11:45
Horigan: "At last!!! I'm straight again! I'm FREE!!!"
*Getawaycarmobile wooshes by. The turbulence created sends Horigan flying into the air, going through all sorts of contortions*
*Is again thrown into the air by FutureWorm and SupSuper rushing by.*
*Finally lands again, back in a knot*
Horigan "Oh ****!"

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2006, 13:25
alright, alright! this stopped being funny :p enough of the humorless spam :p
I may make a comic this morning.

Plasma
24 Mar 2006, 13:53
The models for characters probably would look better if you didnt have them in the same position.

Akuryou13
24 Mar 2006, 14:21
The models for characters probably would look better if you didnt have them in the same position.how would that make them look better? besides, what positions should they be in? should they all be striking a super-cool fashion model pose? should they all look like they're fighting giant space pigs? this is a character sheet, not a comic, and not an action sequence. it wouldn't make any sense to have them in different positions, so stop trying to come up with any excuse to complain about art.
I've not seen you post hardly anything that isn't insulting or needlessly criticizing art yet. whether it's mine or others' you seem to do anything you can to find flaws in someone's work. if you have nothing constructive to say, or no reason to post, please don't. this is quite obviously a character sheet, and you can't possibly think it was anything else. I'd prefer being spared from your pointless criticizm for whatever reason you want to be critical towards me. so far, you have no reason to post on this thread, so please stop it.
aside from Plasma being annoyingly critical for no reason, I have a good reason to make this post: COMIC!!!
star worms WAS technically right, and since I don't know snoozy's sig I'm posting this comic with SW in it instead. fear not though, snoozy, when you give me a pic, I'll include you in a comic.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30812103/

agent luke
24 Mar 2006, 16:04
heh thats funny! but haw are you gonna fit worms that big in the "six panel comics" like you use'd to?;) :rolleyes:

WormGod
24 Mar 2006, 16:15
CORRECT!! now, gimme a full-bodied image of your worm so I can draw it.
and here's the art style you can expect from now on for my forum comics (the gardy comics will still be sprites)
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30788605/
That looks more like it was done in Flash than Fireworks.

Slick
24 Mar 2006, 16:46
Nice...but I'd like to see their mouths open at least when they're talking.:p

Horigan
24 Mar 2006, 17:22
This gonna take some getting used to.:p
Not really critisizing per se... it just seems weird right now. I'm sure I'll get used to it though.

Cyclaws
24 Mar 2006, 17:35
Who are you, and what have you done with Aku?

FutureWorm
24 Mar 2006, 20:00
alright, alright! this stopped being funny :p enough of the humorless spam :p
Now that is irony.

SupSuper
24 Mar 2006, 22:39
Nice...but I'd like to see their mouths open at least when they're talking.:pDamn, I was gonna say that! :p
Even with a different style, Aku sticks to his classic "copy-paste-and-do-small-changes-so-it-doesnt-look-so-lazy" technique ;)

Star Worms
24 Mar 2006, 22:55
CORRECT!! now, gimme a full-bodied image of your worm so I can draw it.
and here's the art style you can expect from now on for my forum comics (the gardy comics will still be sprites)
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30788605/
My only complaint is that guy with the fire on his head. The bottom of the fire is just a straight line and looks odd.
Thanks for the cameo anywho, although I liked the minimalism of the 'pixel comics', I quite like the smoothness of the new style. It's the joke that counts anyway.

Pigbuster
24 Mar 2006, 23:11
I know that Error404 and you had a big argument about this before, but seriously, I'm fine with the word bubbles being on the character's side, but your bubble in the 4th panel is WAY too close to the top-left corner. You seriously need to learn to intersect your text.
LIKE THIS.
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Splapp
24 Mar 2006, 23:53
Splapp's verdict on new comic style: Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Alien King
25 Mar 2006, 00:03
while i prefer the old style myself, i suspect that most of the prejudice against the new style is from people's dislike of sudden change
i know i dislike change
(also the worms are fat :p)

Pigbuster
25 Mar 2006, 00:18
And about my hat, you can see my head stick through it.
And also...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/30833725/

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 00:23
One thing that bugs me about them is that the pupils are massive circular black voids with no highlights. Those poor, soul-less worms... :(

Paul.Power
25 Mar 2006, 00:25
One thing that bugs me about them is that the pupils are massive circular black voids with no highlights. Those poor, soul-less worms... :(In fairness, I never draw my worms with pupil highlights.

Alien King
25 Mar 2006, 00:25
One thing that bugs me about them is that the pupils are massive circular black voids with no highlights. Those poor, soul-less worms... :(
hey, i havn't got a sould and you don't hear me complaining...
...much

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 00:27
In fairness, I never draw my worms with pupil highlights.
Yeah, but the pupils in your worms are small. Once pupils get beyond a certain size, they look odd without a highlight. Well, they do to me anyway...

Paul.Power
25 Mar 2006, 00:28
One thing that is a problem, and that you can kinda get away with with your sprites but not really with this, is the whole "You said that without moving your lips!" thing.

Alien King
25 Mar 2006, 00:28
i think they have quite faint and dull highlights in there

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 00:29
i think they have quite faint and dull highlights in there
Well, that's no good! :p
And yes, I agree that the mouths should be open. OMG ventriloquism!!! Gottle o' geer!11

Akuryou13
25 Mar 2006, 04:44
general opinion is that I need to have the mouths open, so I'll go ahead and do that in the future.
pigbuster, I agree with you about that frame edit you did, and was actually going to do that, but decided to be lazy instead :p
about the size of the comics, these are vectors, I can shrink them and increase their size depending on what I need to do. one of my big concerns about these vector worms instead of the sprites is that the size increase is HUGE, so I decided that I should shrink the worms down for the comics. the next comic will feature much smaller worms.
as for the copy/paste formula, it's the ease of these comics that keep me motivated to do them. if I had to draw each one out and it took up hours of my time, I would get bored with it. these comics allow me to quickly toss together a comic during my off-time. the advantage of this style of art is that I can get fairly detailed and it will still fit, as well as other artistic things like that. I can do detail with MUCH greater ease now, because I can at any point change the size of everything, add fine detail and then shrink it back down and it'll still be just as clear.
also, can you explain or demonstrate what you were saying about the wormies worm, SW?

UnKnown X
25 Mar 2006, 07:47
In that case, I find the text in the first panel misleading. Your worms explicitly says that you "draw" the comics now, when it really should clarify that you "mostly copy and paste" them.
Also, why are they both constantly staring at each other's tits? Do they not know that they're both male? Are you depicting them as homosexual? Isn't that an insult to your wife and Star Worms if he's heterosexual?
Finally, I find the expressions in the last panel confusing. Their eyes imply that they're disappointed, exhausted, depressed or soulless, yet they have some weird, vague smile stuck on their face.

Alien King
25 Mar 2006, 09:45
i dislike the fact that the worms look fat and short.
i see that quite a few people lol'd at akuryou

Scotworm
25 Mar 2006, 10:17
...*Deja-vu-ness*
.....sure, why not? every OTHER good idea I've had got copied by everyone, why not this one? :-/
Yep, and now everyone's stealing your av. You must be feeling mighty depressed now. :p
To be honest, i preffered the original sprite. More charm, and less realistic = funnier, in my opinion.

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 10:53
I think the heads are a bit TOO flat as well. When I first saw them, they reminded me of this:
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Actually, the eyebrows are too big for my liking. When I first saw them, they reminded me of this:
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UnKnown X
25 Mar 2006, 10:56
Also, Star Worms' clothes make him look fat. He might think you're insulting him, so I suggest you buy him new ones.

Horigan
25 Mar 2006, 11:07
Yeah I mean, those old robes are sooo old-republic. Get with the times!!!:D

Iguana
25 Mar 2006, 11:07
Your comic's bad and you should feel bad.
Just kidding.

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 11:17
Yeah I mean, those old robes are sooo old-republic. Get with the times!!!:D
Horigan, you weren't there.

Iguana
25 Mar 2006, 11:21
Horigan, you weren't there.
I also wasn't, but it's still amusing.

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 11:22
I also wasn't, but it's still amusing.
But you aren't acting like you were there.

Iguana
25 Mar 2006, 11:26
But you aren't acting like you were there.
So? I just made some random Futurama reference based on Aku's latest comic.

SuperBlob
25 Mar 2006, 11:27
So? I just made some random Futurama reference based on Aku's latest comic.
Ah, the misunderstanding. Horigan is using Akus avatar, as if he was there :p

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 11:28
Yes, Superblob is right.

agent luke
25 Mar 2006, 14:04
ACK!! whats with all the aku avatars?! right now i can't tell if its aku talking or Anybody else:rolleyes:

Cyclaws
25 Mar 2006, 14:08
ACK!! whats with all the aku avatars?! right now i can't tell if its aku talking or Anybody else:rolleyes:
It's just one of those things so they get to shout a people who do the same thing.

agent luke
25 Mar 2006, 15:37
i thought it was again'st forum rules to copy avatars

pilot62
25 Mar 2006, 16:02
i thought it was again'st forum rules to copy avatars
No, its merely frowned upon by the forum users.

philby4000
25 Mar 2006, 19:02
as for the copy/paste formula, it's the ease of these comics that keep me motivated to do them. if I had to draw each one out and it took up hours of my time, I would get bored with it. these comics allow me to quickly toss together a comic during my off-time. the advantage of this style of art is that I can get fairly detailed and it will still fit, as well as other artistic things like that. I can do detail with MUCH greater ease now, because I can at any point change the size of everything, add fine detail and then shrink it back down and it'll still be just as clear.
seriously, Aku, what you just said proves that you're about as talented as a blind welshman. I'd always assumed that your shortcomings were the fault of your tiny sprites, but now it turns out that you're crap after all.
They're worms for god's sake, it does not take anytime at all to draw them all out. Copying and pasting your backgrounds is aceptable, they're static, they don't need to change, but copying and pasting the characters is inexcusable, especialy at this scale. Drawing characters in different positsions with expressions on their faces is what gives them personality. Without that all you've got are pink blobs in hats. And that's nowhere as good as it sounds.
It's not as if you write them with any personality either. Your basic forumula is:
(insert random forumer here): Hello, I'm saying something stupid and unbelivable.
Aku: Poorly worded and imensley unfunny joke
(insert random forumer here): Expresses dislike.
Aku: I kill you!
*Random forumer is killed*
If that's all the effort you can be bothered to put into it, I realy don't see why you bother with these comics at all.

pilot62
25 Mar 2006, 20:44
To be fair, he comes out with reasonably funny ones occasionaly, although I know where your coming from.
Anyway, whats with all this recent Aku bashing?

Zero72
25 Mar 2006, 22:14
Philby wins this thread.

Iguana
25 Mar 2006, 23:23
To be fair, he comes out with reasonably funny ones occasionaly, although I know where your coming from
Agreed.
Actually, his old comics and some of the new ones (like the Maplestory one) are really funny. But yeah, I began seeing a pattern in the scripts ages ago and the constant Gardy bashing was quite boring, and copy+pasting vector-based characters was almost laughable. I mean, this comic used to be one of the funnniest on the forum back in the day, now it feels like he's just being lazy.

Pickleworm
25 Mar 2006, 23:30
while i prefer the old style myself, i suspect that most of the prejudice against the new style is from people's dislike of sudden change
i know i dislike change
(also the worms are fat :p)
B-B-B-B-B-BUT AKyrourououry said not to complain about his art :(

Splapp
25 Mar 2006, 23:40
B-B-B-B-B-BUT AKyrourououry said not to complain about his art :(
OH CHRIST, he's going to kill us now... :(

MtlAngelus
26 Mar 2006, 03:05
I thorougly agree with philby.

Slick
26 Mar 2006, 06:04
Well it hurts when you find out you are not "all that" in a "bag of potato chips".
But t'is not like hes never been like this to a newbie posting art.:p

Gardy Looo
26 Mar 2006, 08:40
Agreed.
Actually, his old comics and some of the new ones (like the Maplestory one) are really funny. But yeah, I began seeing a pattern in the scripts ages ago and the constant Gardy bashing was quite boring, and copy+pasting vector-based characters was almost laughable. I mean, this comic used to be one of the funnniest on the forum back in the day, now it feels like he's just being lazy.
Basically, Aku's comics are like Wile. E. Coyote cartoons except Aku's ones are stiff as sticks in tar. Aku's comics are always "Get Taddar shot between the legs, get Gardy ripped apart by rabid squirrels" day and night. I guess when he enters Scotworm's compos THEN Aku puts effort into his art.

Iguana
26 Mar 2006, 12:29
Basically, Aku's comics are like Wile. E. Coyote cartoons except Aku's ones are stiff as sticks in tar. Aku's comics are always "Get Taddar shot between the legs, get Gardy ripped apart by rabid squirrels" day and night. I guess when he enters Scotworm's compos THEN Aku puts effort into his art.
That's exactly my point, he can do better. Loads better.

Swed Simon
26 Mar 2006, 18:22
Let me get this straight: Anyone who complains at aku's new comics will automatically become a ''respected member'' in the eyes of todays veteran-wannabees?
UR COMICS SUX CUZ U SUCK I LOLD AT AKU LOL PLZ LOVE ME

Rarsonic
26 Mar 2006, 19:08
Let me get this straight: Anyone who complains at aku's new comics will automatically become a ''respected member'' in the eyes of todays veteran-wannabees?
UR COMICS SUX CUZ U SUCK I LOLD AT AKU LOL PLZ LOVE ME
To be againist someone that that mocks at everyone who is not veteran and its comics are praised irrationally is something to praise a lot (with good arguements, of course).

Pickleworm
26 Mar 2006, 19:11
Let me get this straight: Anyone who complains at aku's new comics will automatically become a ''respected member'' in the eyes of todays veteran-wannabees?
UR COMICS SUX CUZ U SUCK I LOLD AT AKU LOL PLZ LOVE ME
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE RECIEVED YOUR PRODUCT/SERVICE/EVENT
Pickleworm ALSO WROTE THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE:
Congratulations on recieving your LOVE (1). To claim your LOVE (1), please write to 511 Love Street, Whateverville, Texas, 03456. Congratulations once again on recieveing your LOVE (1) and we hope to do business with you soon :).

Cyclaws
26 Mar 2006, 19:20
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE RECIEVED YOUR PRODUCT/SERVICE/EVENT
Pickleworm ALSO WROTE THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE:
Congratulations on recieving your LOVE (1). To claim your LOVE (1), please write to 511 Love Street, Whateverville, Texas, 03456. Congratulations once again on recieveing your LOVE (1) and we hope to do business with you soon :).
Is that an attempt to deny the truth?

Pickleworm
26 Mar 2006, 19:28
Is that an attempt to deny the truth?
OH NO I HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT
I agree with Rarsonic, if you dislike Akyrryouauduou out of your own free will, then I generally approve because he is a very dislikeable person. His comics (at least in this thread) are highly overrated (gesticulates towards the starting post and the comments it recieved).
However, hating AKyrouyouroyuoury just because it's hip and in fashion isn't the smartest thing to do, I generally approve of people forming their own opinions. It just really astounds me that AKyoruaououodsuf has managed to generate this much respect through non-stop flaming and criticisim, and denying any and all criticisim directed towards him.
But whatever. You have seen CLEAR THROUGH my truth denial tactics. I should have put more skill there instead of small weapon and hand to hand combat.

Cyclaws
26 Mar 2006, 19:33
You're more then welcome to dislike Aku, but the way you're doing it is just creating spam. People asking (in the wrong threads) why everyone is using the same avatar, people asking why there is a sudden dislike to him, people asking "Who was there?" (which in my opinion, is only there so you guys can tell the person that they are thieves and that they weren't there, etc).

Pickleworm
26 Mar 2006, 19:49
All the spam you mentioned was started as an "aftermath" of our actions (although some of my own actions were spam). It's not really our fault if people cannot accept that they Weren't There.
Also, Fan Art is a pretty spammy forum to begin with, I doubt many people noticed.

Swed Simon
26 Mar 2006, 20:16
I agree that he starts unnecessary flame wars all the time, and that his new comics are pretty losuy. Everyone's free to dislike him for that. However, it's very obvious that most people suddenly whine as incredibly much as they do more because of the populistic reasons rather then practical ones.

Akuryou13
27 Mar 2006, 14:55
seeing as you've posted nearly the only post worth replying to right now, I'll actually comment directly to you, philby.
seriously, Aku, what you just said proves that you're about as talented as a blind welshman. I'd always assumed that your shortcomings were the fault of your tiny sprites, but now it turns out that you're crap after all.I've made ONE COMIC in this formula. last I checked, I've never done any comics in actual art, so I translated what I know over and am taking the advice given to me by others. if you want to jump down my throat for being inexperience, have fun, but I won't be listening.
They're worms for god's sake, it does not take anytime at all to draw them all out. yes, it does. drawing each one out and the backgrounds as well as the text and such can take quite a while. I draw these times in the time in which I have nothing better to do. I'm not sacrificing anything for these comics as I'm only doing them for fun. typically, a sprited comic would take me anywhere from 15-45 minutes to complete, depending on the comic. some took far longer. drawing a single worm in my paint images can take anywhere from 15-45 minutes....notice something there? a SINGLE WORM takes me as long to draw as an entire comic does in sprites. vectors allow me to translate the worms over and edit them as needed quickly without wasting what little time I have.
Copying and pasting your backgrounds is aceptable, they're static, they don't need to change, but copying and pasting the characters is inexcusable, especialy at this scale. Drawing characters in different positsions with expressions on their faces is what gives them personality. Without that all you've got are pink blobs in hats. And that's nowhere as good as it sounds. no, I've got worms. feel free to tell me what elaborate and overly flashy expressions you think would fit the last comic better, but last I checked nothing was said that would cause someone to have an extremely obvious expression, just mild looks of doubt and such, which I provided.
It's not as if you write them with any personality either. Your basic forumula is:
If that's all the effort you can be bothered to put into it, I realy don't see why you bother with these comics at all.have you even read any of my comics as of late? I've not used a single "ZOMG J00 MuST DIE!!!" comic since I left the old forum comics. since then I've used my share of pain in my comics, but they're far from the old ones. these gardy comics don't count, as the point of them is to poke fun at all the bad things that could happen in an RPG environment based on the things seen in games taken beyond what's seen in a game and thrown to an extreme. for example: in an RPG if you leave a house without looking at everything, you may miss something important, which would be a penalty. as an extreme penalty for not looting the house, I had gardy get struck by lightning. it was supposed to be a humorous take on that, and if you didn't understand the joke the way it was intended, I don't see how I could make it any clearer, but feel free to offer suggestions. also, if you hadn't noticed, I quite often include random people, and these people only appear once or twice with no real personality of their own. that's because they don't need a specific personality for their purpose in the comics. I could use a generic worm in their place and it would work just as well, I use the sig simply as a way to include people in this. if you haven't noticed, there are a couple of characters with personality. Aku, of course has his own personality based off of what I've made myself look like on the forums. Taddar has his own personality based off of what my cousin actually acts like. wormies and spider each have a similar personality, but that's kinda part of the personality I've given them. most other characters are included simply as random cameo from a large list. if you would like, I could stop using sigworms, but that wouldn't accomplish much
if you guys don't like my comics, I don't care...seriously, I don't. if there are some people that enjoy them then I'll continue, if not then I'll stop. as far as I can tell, most of you are making completely uninformed statements based on ancient comics I made over a year ago now. my formula has changed a LOT and so have the comics. if you can't get passed the old comics, then go read them again, if you don't enjoy them, then go somewhere else with your unuseful comments. if you intend to help me, do as others have and suggest ways to improve my writing or art or whatever else. if you intend to hop on the band-wagon of "let's all hate aku because he's made fun of other people" then do so somewhere else as I have no need for your spam here.
and as I've said before, I AM NOT BASHING GARDY LOO ANYMORE! he is simply the character I'm using for my comics because the comics were based off of the character profile he made for himself. as far as I can tell, he's gotten better about his posting and such, so I've not had any reason to make fun of him with my comics. if you're gunna get stuck on "His sig is there! he must be being made fun of!!!111!"! then I pity your short-sightedness. I can use a generic worm if you guys like, but it wouldn't change the comics.
so, if you're still reading, please know that if you intend to post here, please do so constructively. don't bother with the crap posts saying that I'm stupid or my comics suck unless you post something to tell me how to improve whatever you're criticising....and before you yell about this request being hypocritical, I've always stated my reasons whenever I say anything insulting to someone, and I've never insulted someone just because they're new, despite what every one of you seem to think, despite my best efforts to clarify myself.

FutureWorm
27 Mar 2006, 15:12
I've made ONE COMIC in this formula. last I checked, I've never done any comics in actual art, so I translated what I know over and am taking the advice given to me by others. if you want to jump down my throat for being inexperience, have fun, but I won't be listening.
That's what it is, isn't it? A formula. Rather than trying to come up with something new and interesting, you create a new set of rules that you can stick to in making every single future comic. Formulaic = bad.
drawing each one out and the backgrounds as well as the text and such can take quite a while. I draw these times in the time in which I have nothing better to do. I'm not sacrificing anything for these comics as I'm only doing them for fun. typically, a sprited comic would take me anywhere from 15-45 minutes to complete, depending on the comic. some took far longer. drawing a single worm in my paint images can take anywhere from 15-45 minutes....notice something there? a SINGLE WORM takes me as long to draw as an entire comic does in sprites. vectors allow me to translate the worms over and edit them as needed quickly without wasting what little time I have.
In that case, you're slow. And that's really all there is to say about that. Back a couple years ago when I created some Worms fanart, it took me 15-30 minutes to complete a single drawing, but those were a LOT more detailed than your comics are turning out. If it takes such a long time for you to do, you have only yourself to blame for that. Perhaps comics aren't for you? :p
no, I've got worms. feel free to tell me what elaborate and overly flashy expressions you think would fit the last comic better, but last I checked nothing was said that would cause someone to have an extremely obvious expression, just mild looks of doubt and such, which I provided.
See Paul.Power's comics (MAPP). The worms that Paul draws are definitely not the most detailed or artistically astonishing in the world, but he manages to pull off an absolutely hilarious comic thanks to the worms' expressions. They are incredibly over-the-top and silly, which is what makes them fun to read.
I wouldn't mind if your expressions were merely understated - Achewood (www.achewood.com) is a master of this. But if you're going to go with this "MY WORMS MUST BE MINIMALISTIC AND EASY TO DRAW" bit, your comic had better be absolutely hilarious, or it's just not worth the read.
have you even read any of my comics as of late? I've not used a single "ZOMG J00 MuST DIE!!!" comic since I left the old forum comics. since then I've used my share of pain in my comics, but they're far from the old ones. these gardy comics don't count, as the point of them is to poke fun at all the bad things that could happen in an RPG environment based on the things seen in games taken beyond what's seen in a game and thrown to an extreme. [continued rant]
ZOMG G4RDY MuST DIE!!!1
if you guys don't like my comics, I don't care...seriously, I don't. if there are some people that enjoy them then I'll continue, if not then I'll stop. as far as I can tell, most of you are making completely uninformed statements based on ancient comics I made over a year ago now. my formula has changed a LOT and so have the comics. if you can't get passed the old comics, then go read them again, if you don't enjoy them, then go somewhere else with your unuseful comments. if you intend to help me, do as others have and suggest ways to improve my writing or art or whatever else. if you intend to hop on the band-wagon of "let's all hate aku because he's made fun of other people" then do so somewhere else as I have no need for your spam here.
Ahahaha. If you truly didn't care about us not liking your comics, you wouldn't have just written a thesis on how great your comic is. That is an absolute joke.
so, if you're still reading, please know that if you intend to post here, please do so constructively. don't bother with the crap posts saying that I'm stupid or my comics suck unless you post something to tell me how to improve whatever you're criticising....
Okay, here's some constructive criticism.
1. Learn to draw properly.
2. Vary your style.
3. Make original jokes.
and before you yell about this request being hypocritical, I've always stated my reasons whenever I say anything insulting to someone, and I've never insulted someone just because they're new, despite what every one of you seem to think, despite my best efforts to clarify myself.
I'm going to call BS on that one, but I can't be bothered to go scrounge up old posts. I'll be back later.

Akuryou13
27 Mar 2006, 15:53
That's what it is, isn't it? A formula. Rather than trying to come up with something new and interesting, you create a new set of rules that you can stick to in making every single future comic. Formulaic = bad. ok, well, fomula was obviously the wrong word here. I meant style. this is a new art style, the comics will continue with my brand of humor.
In that case, you're slow. And that's really all there is to say about that. Back a couple years ago when I created some Worms fanart, it took me 15-30 minutes to complete a single drawing, but those were a LOT more detailed than your comics are turning out. If it takes such a long time for you to do, you have only yourself to blame for that. Perhaps comics aren't for you? :p yes, I'm slow. it takes me a while to draw things. you can hardly call my comics crap for that reason. I've come up with ways around my inability to draw things quickly and they've worked. I make ONE BAD COMIC with a new style and everyone jumps down my throat with little to no reasoning other than that comic was crap.
See Paul.Power's comics (MAPP). The worms that Paul draws are definitely not the most detailed or artistically astonishing in the world, but he manages to pull off an absolutely hilarious comic thanks to the worms' expressions. They are incredibly over-the-top and silly, which is what makes them fun to read.
I wouldn't mind if your expressions were merely understated - Achewood (www.achewood.com) is a master of this. But if you're going to go with this "MY WORMS MUST BE MINIMALISTIC AND EASY TO DRAW" bit, your comic had better be absolutely hilarious, or it's just not worth the read. ONCE AGAIN, the last comic didn't require any expressiveness. if you can find a point where a more obvious expression would be better, please feel free to point it out and how you want i changed.
Ahahaha. If you truly didn't care about us not liking your comics, you wouldn't have just written a thesis on how great your comic is. That is an absolute joke.I want you guys to like the comics. I want you all to enjoy yourselves when reading them, but if you don't I'm fine with that. I worded my statement poorly, but what I meant was simply that I'm fine with some of you not liking the comics.
Okay, here's some constructive criticism.
1. Learn to draw properly.
2. Vary your style.
3. Make original jokes. those are in no way helpful. you tell me to learn to draw properly, but you make no suggestions on what to change. you say vary my style but you make no suggestions as to HOW to vary my style. and I find it hard to make jokes more original than things I come up with myself with little or no influence from others.
I'm going to call BS on that one, but I can't be bothered to go scrounge up old posts. I'll be back later.well, please pull up reasonably recent posts in which I've insulted someone who didn't in any way post foolishly. if you can find a post in which I've flamed a new person simply for being new, and not for posting like a fool, I'll delete the forums from my favorites list and you'll never be bothered with me again.

Splapp
27 Mar 2006, 15:59
ONCE AGAIN, the last comic didn't require any expressiveness. if you can find a point where a more obvious expression would be better, please feel free to point it out and how you want i changed.
Open mouths when speaking? :p

Cisken1
27 Mar 2006, 16:17
Sorry to bust in on the last moment but: Aku, what the hell were you thinking???
1)Worms too big
2)Worms have no expressions (was pointed out already)
3)WTF?
4)Just sprite your comics again, PLEASE!

Paul.Power
27 Mar 2006, 17:02
See Paul.Power's comics (MAPP). The worms that Paul draws are definitely not the most detailed or artistically astonishing in the world, but he manages to pull off an absolutely hilarious comic thanks to the worms' expressions. They are incredibly over-the-top and silly, which is what makes them fun to read.*bows*
Anyway, Aku, a quickly-sketched example of somewhere you could make your worms a bit more expressive. Drawn in my style rather than yours, admittedly, but I think you can see where I'm coming from:
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Here's how I'd rescript that strip, personally.
1. Put SW on the left and Aku on the right. This solves your balloon order problems at a stroke.
2. Make it over your usual six panels, not four. If you aren't going to post them directly to the forum, then size isn't an issue. And there's a lot of wordy bits in this - I'd split Star Worms' lines in Panel 2 over two panels. I'd probably keep Aku's explanation in one panel, because it's intentionally long winded, but then I'd leave panel five blank in order to time the punchlines in the final panel correctly.

Plasma
27 Mar 2006, 17:46
I agree that he starts unnecessary flame wars all the time, and that his new comics are pretty losuy. Everyone's free to dislike him for that. However, it's very obvious that most people suddenly whine as incredibly much as they do more because of the populistic reasons rather then practical ones.
Not entirely. Is more of a case of people taking the oppertunity to complain while everyone else is.
I'd also be complaining except I already stated all my complaints some time ago. (And I was the first to complain about the worms needing poses)
All hail Plasma as thy visionary master.

FutureWorm
27 Mar 2006, 18:56
ok, well, fomula was obviously the wrong word here. I meant style. this is a new art style, the comics will continue with my brand of humor.
The problem is that your "brand of humor" is quite formulaic. It would be nice if you thought outside the box every once in a while.
yes, I'm slow. it takes me a while to draw things. you can hardly call my comics crap for that reason. I've come up with ways around my inability to draw things quickly and they've worked. I make ONE BAD COMIC with a new style and everyone jumps down my throat with little to no reasoning other than that comic was crap.
I never said slowness is what makes your comics crap. I'm saying that because you are slow, you get bored and fail to see it through, don't pay attention to detail, etc. and as a result the quality suffers.
ONCE AGAIN, the last comic didn't require any expressiveness. if you can find a point where a more obvious expression would be better, please feel free to point it out and how you want i changed.
See Paul's post for more info.
I want you guys to like the comics. I want you all to enjoy yourselves when reading them, but if you don't I'm fine with that. I worded my statement poorly, but what I meant was simply that I'm fine with some of you not liking the comics.
You seem awfully defensive for someone who is fine with people not liking his work.
well, please pull up reasonably recent posts in which I've insulted someone who didn't in any way post foolishly. if you can find a post in which I've flamed a new person simply for being new, and not for posting like a fool, I'll delete the forums from my favorites list and you'll never be bothered with me again.
The problem with that promise is that you have set up such a ridiculously vague set of requirements. What I might consider "flaming simply for being new", you may consider "posting like a fool".

philby4000
27 Mar 2006, 21:18
yes, it does. drawing each one out and the backgrounds as well as the text and such can take quite a while. I draw these times in the time in which I have nothing better to do. I'm not sacrificing anything for these comics as I'm only doing them for fun. typically, a sprited comic would take me anywhere from 15-45 minutes to complete, depending on the comic. some took far longer. drawing a single worm in my paint images can take anywhere from 15-45 minutes....notice something there? a SINGLE WORM takes me as long to draw as an entire comic does in sprites. vectors allow me to translate the worms over and edit them as needed quickly without wasting what little time I have.
A lot of cartoonists use vector graphics, the difference being that they don't treat them as motionless talking heads the way you do. Hell, even sprite comics (and I'm talking about comics that actualy use sprites, rather than crude pixel art) are more animated than what you do.
As for you lack of time, surely you don't have to make a single comic everytime you open up fireworks? why not spread a comic over a few of these on-avarage half-hour sessions? Quality not quantity.
no, I've got worms. feel free to tell me what elaborate and overly flashy expressions you think would fit the last comic better, but last I checked nothing was said that would cause someone to have an extremely obvious expression, just mild looks of doubt and such, which I provided.
'Overly flashy'? Well excuse me for thinking a raised eyebrow, wave of the hand or smile where in your bloody repituior
have you even read any of my comics as of late?
Yes, unfortunately.
I've not used a single "ZOMG J00 MuST DIE!!!" comic since I left the old forum comics. since then I've used my share of pain in my comics, but they're far from the old ones. these gardy comics don't count,
Right, you haven't made any comics like that, but the ones you have don't count.
as the point of them is to poke fun at all the bad things that could happen in an RPG environment based on the things seen in games taken beyond what's seen in a game and thrown to an extreme. for example: in an RPG if you leave a house without looking at everything, you may miss something important, which would be a penalty. as an extreme penalty for not looting the house, I had gardy get struck by lightning.
You don't need to explain that to me, I assure you I did get the joke. It's just a shame that the joke doesn't actualy relate to any kind of RPG game I've ever played. In my experience you aren't penalized for not collecting small amounts of petty cash or worthless items you can buy in any ingame store, hence the joke isn't funny as it s an exageration of an exaggeration.
it was supposed to be a humorous take on that, and if you didn't understand the joke the way it was intended, I don't see how I could make it any clearer, but feel free to offer suggestions. also, if you hadn't noticed, I quite often include random people, and these people only appear once or twice with no real personality of their own. that's because they don't need a specific personality for their purpose in the comics. I could use a generic worm in their place and it would work just as well, I use the sig simply as a way to include people in this.
So you basicaly make these comics for the 'ThnX forr drawrng mai' messages?
if you haven't noticed, there are a couple of characters with personality.
I hadn't noticed.
Aku, of course has his own personality based off of what I've made myself look like on the forums. Taddar has his own personality based off of what my cousin actually acts like. wormies and spider each have a similar personality, but that's kinda part of the personality I've given them. most other characters are included simply as random cameo from a large list. if you would like, I could stop using sigworms, but that wouldn't accomplish much I just can't comprehend why you chose to use these random cameos when you've got all these characters. think of any sitcom and just imagine what it would be like if half the regular characters where replaced by boring strangers.
if you guys don't like my comics, I don't care...seriously, I don't. if there are some people that enjoy them then I'll continue, if not then I'll stop. as far as I can tell, most of you are making completely uninformed statements based on ancient comics I made over a year ago now. my formula has changed a LOT and so have the comics. if you can't get passed the old comics, then go read them again, if you don't enjoy them, then go somewhere else with your unuseful comments. if you intend to help me, do as others have and suggest ways to improve my writing or art or whatever else. if you intend to hop on the band-wagon of "let's all hate aku because he's made fun of other people" then do so somewhere else as I have no need for your spam here.
For someone who seems so wise to all the 'aku-bashing' you seem to have taken the bait in quite a spectacular fashion. Believe me when I say this Aku, but you've been asking for this for a very long time.:p
However, you do make a point there, and as you may have noticed the spam has stoped.
As for Helping you, what do you think I'm tring to do. A great big kick up the **** is exactly what you need.
and as I've said before, I AM NOT BASHING GARDY LOO ANYMORE! he is simply the character I'm using for my comics because the comics were based off of the character profile he made for himself. as far as I can tell, he's gotten better about his posting and such, so I've not had any reason to make fun of him with my comics. if you're gunna get stuck on "His sig is there! he must be being made fun of!!!111!"! then I pity your short-sightedness. I can use a generic worm if you guys like, but it wouldn't change the comics.
Once again, Aku, I cannot see the point of using someones sig in place of a generic worm. You've made Guardy a figure of fun in your comics, and you can't weasle out of it by accusing us of misinterpreting it.
so, if you're still reading, please know that if you intend to post here, please do so constructively. don't bother with the crap posts saying that I'm stupid or my comics suck unless you post something to tell me how to improve whatever you're criticising.
I'm not sure I entirely understand, but aren't you basicaly saying that no one is allowed to critisize you in your thread?
I don't see you posting messages asking people not to post positive messages without clarifing exactly what you colud have done to make it worse.
You post your comics on a public forum, please don't be annoyed at people for expressing their oppinions.

Slick
27 Mar 2006, 21:25
Hey Aku...why are you smokeing?
oh...I see...YOU JUST GOT BURNED.:p

Akuryou13
28 Mar 2006, 02:10
A lot of cartoonists use vector graphics, the difference being that they don't treat them as motionless talking heads the way you do. Hell, even sprite comics (and I'm talking about comics that actualy use sprites, rather than crude pixel art) are more animated than what you do. need I say this again? I'm new to vector art or any art of any kind aside from sprites. I am, admittedly, crap at this due to that inexperience. what I need from people is helpful statements of what to do in order to improve the art of the comics, not just spam with "OMG THAT SUCKED". thankfully, the last few posts HAVE been the sort of help I'm looking for.
As for you lack of time, surely you don't have to make a single comic everytime you open up fireworks? why not spread a comic over a few of these on-avarage half-hour sessions? Quality not quantity. you may have a point there, but I just have trouble starting something without finishing it. I dunno why, it's just something that bothers me.
'Overly flashy'? Well excuse me for thinking a raised eyebrow, wave of the hand or smile where in your bloody repituior I find the expressions in the comic to be enough that they should be plenty noticable, but apparently no one else does, I'll try to make them more prominent in the next comic(s)
Right, you haven't made any comics like that, but the ones you have don't count.I guess I worded that rather poorly. what I was saying was that my comics have changed quite a bit since the first forum comics. while the jokes remain within the humor I'm best at (not that I'm the best at it, just that it's my own personal best, before everyone jumps down my throat again), they've left the old "you ****ed me off, you must die" formula that I used...which, btw, everyone enjoyed, INCLUDING you, philby.
So you basicaly make these comics for the 'ThnX forr drawrng mai' messages? I can see you getting that from my statement, but that's not what I meant :P I do these comics to make people enjoy them. I include the random cameos simply to make all the requesters happy. I enjoy the praise, yes, but if everyone stopped posting anything but constructive posts I would still draw these comics as long as I knew people still liked them. basically, I'm in this to entertain, but if I get praised for it I'm not gunna turn it down, and neither would anyone else :p
For someone who seems so wise to all the 'aku-bashing' you seem to have taken the bait in quite a spectacular fashion. Believe me when I say this Aku, but you've been asking for this for a very long time.:p meh, fair point. I guess I'm far from the most likable person here, but everyone joining in on the bashing with little to actually add just annoys me.
However, you do make a point there, and as you may have noticed the spam has stoped. I have no problem with you guys telling me certain things are crap, as long as you tell me specifically what needs a change.
Once again, Aku, I cannot see the point of using someones sig in place of a generic worm. You've made Guardy a figure of fun in your comics, and you can't weasle out of it by accusing us of misinterpreting it. well, I may be the only one who sees it like I do, but I assure you that the gardy loo worm in the RPGish comics is there simply because he inspired the idea with his profile. I'm no longer intentionally making fun of him, just the character. if it's a big enough of a problem, I can simply stop making those comics.
I'm not sure I entirely understand, but aren't you basicaly saying that no one is allowed to critisize you in your thread? no, feel free to critisize me, I welcome it, but I don't want posts telling me my comics are crap without telling me why. if someone doesn't like my comics, I'm alright with that, I just ask that they don't spam the thread unless they have something helpful to add.
I don't see you posting messages asking people not to post positive messages without clarifing exactly what you colud have done to make it worse. well, asking people how to make things worse wouldn't make much sense now would it? ;) but I get what you mean. as I said, I'm doing this to get people to enjoy it. I welcome the "nice comic" posts, as long as it's not too far in excess. I challenge you to find someone who doesn't enjoy getting praise for their work.
The problem with that promise is that you have set up such a ridiculously vague set of requirements. What I might consider "flaming simply for being new", you may consider "posting like a fool". yes, exactly. when I flame someone, I'm not doing so because they're a new poster to the forums, I do so because I find their posting habits to be attrocious (did i spell that right?). when a new person joins the forum, I give them all equal opportunity to prove themselves to be coherent or spammy posters. others may not see things the same way I do, and as such it may appear that i'm yelling at them for no reason other than they are new, but I assure you that is not the case...I guess the best I can do is just say you'll have to take my word for it.
and Paul, thanks, I'll try to redo that last comic to improve it based on your suggestions and those I've gotten from others.

Pigbuster
28 Mar 2006, 02:20
I think it's time for my contribution to all of this bashing and smashing and OH-NO-YOU-DI'NT-ing.
ONCE AGAIN, the last comic didn't require any expressiveness. if you can find a point where a more obvious expression would be better, please feel free to point it out and how you want i changed.
Even expressionless people like your sigworm have tons more emotion than you show in your comic. Observe the following thing I spent 30 minutes on for some reason.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/30983069/
In my comic, Aku actually has the apathetic, bored personality he should have. In your comic, it just doesn't feel like he has a personality at all. He's just a vessel for the words. Making it so that the character is actually a part of the joke and the words he says is difficult, but you'll have to do it if you want to make your comic a lot better.
And I hope that you're going to use 6 panels again for these new comics. It's necessary in order to have things like pauses and intros. (Like mine does.) Paul Power never said anything about this. No-sir-ee.
Expressions are one of the most important parts of a comic. You can't just say that a comic doesn't require expressions, because it just isn't true. A very good rule of thumb that I almost always follow is to never have the character in the same exact pose 2 panels in a row. I doubt that when you talk to someone, you stare in the exact same direction, stand in the same exact stance, and wear the exact same expression through the whole thing. Most of the expressions in my comic aren't "elaborate and overly flashy", they EXIST! There's a great difference between someone looking doubtful or apathetic and someone looking like nothing.
Another thing that I like to do is give everyone's sigworm your own personality. In my comic, I am a confused, hopeless, depressed optimist. Huntakilla is homicidal like she usually is, but she also doesn't know how to fight anyone worth crap. When I put you in, your laziness will be increased tenfold. Making up your own personalities for everyone is a heck of a lot more fun than just doing exactly what their profile says they are, or even worse, just using them as a vessel for the words. You should make it so that that comic would be weird and confusing if you gave Star Worms lines that were meant for Snoozy.
And if you want people to get off your back because you only made one crappy comic and the next one would be better, make the next one.
And I know that this is a sketchy thing that isn't supposed to have a lot of improve-my-skills merit... but I am totally using Aku's eyes in panel 4 again.

Pickleworm
28 Mar 2006, 02:22
yes, exactly. when I flame someone, I'm not doing so because they're a new poster to the forums, I do so because I find their posting habits to be attrocious (did i spell that right?). when a new person joins the forum, I give them all equal opportunity to prove themselves to be coherent or spammy posters. others may not see things the same way I do, and as such it may appear that i'm yelling at them for no reason other than they are new, but I assure you that is not the case...I guess the best I can do is just say you'll have to take my word for it.
I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree with you on that. I started out making horrifically stupid posts aat a rate of about 200 per millisecond, and amazingly very few flamed me over it. I eventually matured to a state of at least semi-respect, and I almost certianly would have been scared off of someone came at me with a bat and said "YOU LEAVE FORUM NOW".
But the problem is, people do need to know when they are being annoying, and it is kind of hard to give them nudges to maturity without bashing their faces in. Kind comments are easily ignored, it's the ones that are applied with a sledgehammer that usually take effect, for better or for worse. You're not helping anyone by allowing a forum to become a cesspool of stupid people, but you don't want it to be a place where everyone is flaming everyone else, either.

FutureWorm
28 Mar 2006, 02:50
no, feel free to critisize me, I welcome it, but I don't want posts telling me my comics are crap without telling me why. if someone doesn't like my comics, I'm alright with that, I just ask that they don't spam the thread unless they have something helpful to add.
You make me laugh.

Akuryou13
28 Mar 2006, 03:09
alright, let's try this again. more expressive, better writing, and use of much of your advice.
now, what more can I improve? ....and no, I don't want to know you still don't like the kinds of jokes I use. feel free to suggest ways to make the timing or wording better, but the style of humor will remain my own....did this statement make sense to anyone else? :p
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30812103/

Pigbuster
28 Mar 2006, 03:16
I'm going to suggest THIS.
27072

FutureWorm
28 Mar 2006, 03:23
Still feels slapped together somehow. I think part of that has to do with the "worms standing in the exact same place" bit. Maybe it just has to do with the fact that this particular punchline isn't funny.

Akuryou13
28 Mar 2006, 03:38
I'm going to suggest THIS.
27072wasn't sure if I wanted to do that or not, but judging from your pic, I'd say that's a good idea.

Slick
28 Mar 2006, 06:03
I think it's time for my contribution to all of this bashing and smashing and OH-NO-YOU-DI'NT-ing.
Even expressionless people like your sigworm have tons more emotion than you show in your comic. Observe the following thing I spent 30 minutes on for some reason.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/30983069/
Well then...I HAVE to do MY version of this comic...highlighting all the jokes. :p
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30993778/
*goes to hell*

Splapp
28 Mar 2006, 10:11
Well then...I HAVE to do MY version of this comic...highlighting all the jokes. :p
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30993778/
*goes to hell*
AHAHAHH!!! That's like 4,000,000,000,000,284,529,000,299.354% better! :D

Horigan
28 Mar 2006, 13:07
Personally, I preferred Aku's. Although PigBuster's certainly the best so far. Aku's just seems a little forced, like the worms are reading from a script like a couple of bad actors. Pigbuster's feels more natural as I read it. I don't know why, it just feels that way.
And yes, definetly at least try pigbuster's mouth sugestion. Just having a slice out of the worm, showing the white background behind doesn't quite work for a mouth. Better than when they didn't open their mouths at all though.

FutureWorm
28 Mar 2006, 15:09
Well then...I HAVE to do MY version of this comic...highlighting all the jokes. :p
http://www.deviantart.com/view/30993778/
*goes to hell*
WIN. :D

Paul.Power
28 Mar 2006, 16:27
Great, now this is going to look like I'm jumping on the bandwagon:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31008933/

UnKnown X
28 Mar 2006, 22:03
[OH SNAP! (http://www.deviantart.com/view/31020935/)]

Star Worms
28 Mar 2006, 22:55
[OH SNAP! (http://www.deviantart.com/view/31020935/)]
Hahaha, nice work!

pilot62
28 Mar 2006, 23:08
Aku may flame people regularly, his art may be crap, his jokes may be rarely funny and he may have had this coming for a long time, but you're being stupidly childish now.
Although at least you've stopped copying his avatar.
As for Helping you, what do you think I'm tring to do. A great big kick up the **** is exactly what you need. Maybe so, I remember not all that long ago, when I needed a kick up the ****, and rightly got it, but what you're doing is more than that, its cotinuous spam and flame, and if it wasn't for the fact you're all 'senior' members, this thread would probably have been locked by now.

Cisken1
28 Mar 2006, 23:29
Bandwagonage!!!!!!!

Pickleworm
29 Mar 2006, 00:33
Maybe so, I remember not all that long ago, when I needed a kick up the ****, and rightly got it, but what you're doing is more than that, its cotinuous spam and flame, and if it wasn't for the fact you're all 'senior' members, this thread would probably have been locked by now.
Isn't it SOOOO great that this thread didn't get locked, and is now a pool of constructive criticism? HOORAY FOR THE SYSTEM

FutureWorm
29 Mar 2006, 00:45
Although at least you've stopped copying his avatar.
Wait, when did "we" copy his avatar? What are you talking about?

Akuryou13
29 Mar 2006, 00:52
Isn't it SOOOO great that this thread didn't get locked, and is now a pool of constructive criticism? HOORAY FOR THE SYSTEMyeah....woo.....:-/

FutureWorm
29 Mar 2006, 02:07
yeah....woo.....:-/
It's ironic how you continue to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Post after post you say that you are always up for more constructive criticism, that you want to be able to make your artwork better. And yet when people do so in a thread like this, all of a sudden you are like "NO DON'T CRITICIZE ME IT BURNS! IT BRUNNNNNNS!!!!!!!111"
I find it bizarre that you hold yourself to this strange double standard while nobody else is free from the harsh and constant criticism that you dish out on a regular basis. Why is it that it you can say this to everyone else, and yet when you get a taste of your own medicine, it is sooooo very problematic?
Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Picture a 13-year-old who wants to wrestle so that he can beat other people up, and yet when the wrestling actually begins, he cries foul because he feels moderately uncomfortable. You are that kid. We are the other wrestlers, and we're in the ring now. What are you going to do about it?

Pickleworm
29 Mar 2006, 02:12
It's ironic how you continue to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Post after post you say that you are always up for more constructive criticism, that you want to be able to make your artwork better. And yet when people do so in a thread like this, all of a sudden you are like "NO DON'T CRITICIZE ME IT BURNS! IT BRUNNNNNNS!!!!!!!111"
I find it bizarre that you hold yourself to this strange double standard while nobody else is free from the harsh and constant criticism that you dish out on a regular basis. Why is it that it you can say this to everyone else, and yet when you get a taste of your own medicine, it is sooooo very problematic?
Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Picture a 13-year-old who wants to wrestle so that he can beat other people up, and yet when the wrestling actually begins, he cries foul because he feels moderately uncomfortable. You are that kid. We are the other wrestlers, and we're in the ring now. What are you going to do about it?
Oh, come on now. He's accepting criticism. Look at his respons to Pigbuster's suggestions. He even made a vector comic because of all of our complaining for god's sake. Reluctant as he may be, he's actually DOING it now.

Akuryou13
29 Mar 2006, 02:15
Oh, come on now. He's accepting criticism. Look at his respons to Pigbuster's suggestions. He even made a vector comic because of all of our complaining for god's sake. Reluctant as he may be, he's actually DOING it now.THANK you! I'm listening to the criticism. I'm listening to the things people are saying, but a lot of people are just being needlessly flamey. especially you, futureworm, you're just being a jerk for no reason. I've gotten the point already and taken advice, you've just continued to want to insult me for no reason while others have moved on to giving me advice to improve...or making fun of the situation :p

FutureWorm
29 Mar 2006, 02:29
well, please pull up reasonably recent posts in which I've insulted someone who didn't in any way post foolishly. if you can find a post in which I've flamed a new person simply for being new, and not for posting like a fool, I'll delete the forums from my favorites list and you'll never be bothered with me again.
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=484387&postcount=382
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=483738&postcount=375
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=486458&postcount=417
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=486561&postcount=420
I'm going to take you on your promise. This is fairly recent, and not flaming for any particular "reasonable" purpose. You said you'd leave. So get out.

Akuryou13
29 Mar 2006, 02:46
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=484387&postcount=382
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=483738&postcount=375
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=486458&postcount=417
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=486561&postcount=420
1. I said the comic wasn't any good, that's a rather mild flame if anything. also, that was far passed the point when gardy loo had been posting like a tard for a while....and once again, he's changed since then, so I'm not saying he is still a tard, just that he was one.
2. plasma has been annoying many people of the forums for a while. by the time I'd posted that he was long on my list of "people who are annoying"
btw, neither of the above were flamed because they were new, they were flamed because I didn't like them.
3. I was talking about the character I created in my comics for gardy loo. the character was a world-class screw up and he had sold his soul. if you thought I meant gardy loo the human was a world class screw up who sold his soul to dark worms, I pity your sanity.
4. that wasn't a flame at all. it was a description of the characters. admittedly, it does sound like I was flaming him, but that was not the intention, and I thought it was obvious enough considering the other posts around that time. taddar is the idiot of the comic, in reality he can be intelligent quite often. gardy loo is an inexperienced and unknowledgable character in the comics, I have no idea if this reflects his personality in reality or not.
I said I never flamed anyone for being new. the only way you could claim that I have would be to find intelligent posts by a new member in which I flamed them.

Pigbuster
29 Mar 2006, 02:48
To be honest, Gardy was a pretty bad poster back then.
And I really think that you're dragging this on for way too long, Futureworm. We've had our laffs, but you're just going to get watched if you keep this up.

SupSuper
29 Mar 2006, 08:22
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/supsuper/AkuComic.png
*disappears*

Zero72
29 Mar 2006, 11:14
FutureWorm, call off your hounds before you get yourself in trouble.

thomasp
29 Mar 2006, 11:18
FutureWorm, call off your hounds before you get yourself in trouble.
*Agrees* - the mods are watching you...
I haven't bothered to read through much of this thread, so if there's anything anyone wants removed from it, let me know either by PMing me or by reporting it (preferably the latter). I saw a bit of mild flaming, but nothing really worth troubling the delete button - I may review the thread later and take further action.

Akuryou13
29 Mar 2006, 12:30
*Agrees* - the mods are watching you...
I haven't bothered to read through much of this thread, so if there's anything anyone wants removed from it, let me know either by PMing me or by reporting it (preferably the latter). I saw a bit of mild flaming, but nothing really worth troubling the delete button - I may review the thread later and take further action.no real need. he started getting annoying, but it wasn't to a point that it needs to get removed, really.
and supsuper, that was somewhat lame, IMO :p and btw, seeing as everyone's hounding me about expressions, I'd say that SW's expression in your frame 4 needs work. it's a bit over the top. he looks like aku is meant to look in the next frame, but he has no reason to look that way.
*hides before everyone makes fun of him again*

SupSuper
29 Mar 2006, 13:58
and supsuper, that was somewhat lame, IMO :p and btw, seeing as everyone's hounding me about expressions, I'd say that SW's expression in your frame 4 needs work. it's a bit over the top. he looks like aku is meant to look in the next frame, but he has no reason to look that way.
*hides before everyone makes fun of him again*Yeah I know, but I just wanted to join the bandwagon and had to get this idea out. Of course I took too long working on it (that was supposed to be posted after P.P's post, but instead I ended up taking all night!) and ended up just making an ass out of myself.
Still, I think I proved my (or someone else's) point. Backgrounds, correctly-positioned balloons, expression-ness, kinda more elaborate... and SW's reaction is funnier :p
And I couldn't think of a good expression for SW on the 4th frame. I'm surprised ALL the expressions don't look like crap, because by the time I drew them I was already going "I've wasted too much time on this, let's just get this over with". I also had another ending in mind, but that would really be going to too much trouble.

Paul.Power
29 Mar 2006, 20:49
Look on the bright side, Aku - you've clearly broken MAPP 20's record of "forum comic remade the most times"

Pigbuster
29 Mar 2006, 22:44
I just realized that I started a bandwagon.
Mwahaha. A bandwagon all to myself.

Paul.Power
29 Mar 2006, 22:49
I just realized that I started a bandwagon.
Mwahaha. A bandwagon all to myself.Technically, I'd already redrawn half a frame before you put pen to paper. ;)
But yeah, go you! What colour are you going to paint it?

Pigbuster
29 Mar 2006, 22:53
Maybe red. I'm gonna paint my wagon.
I'm gonna paint it fine.
Though I'd better use an oil-based paint, because the wood is pine.
Did I really just make a pop-culture reference? For shame, Pigbuster.

Cisken1
30 Mar 2006, 07:24
Maybe red. I'm gonna paint my wagon.
I'm gonna paint it fine.
Though I'd better use an oil-based paint, because the wood is pine.
Did I really just make a pop-culture reference? For shame, Pigbuster.
lol, sweet! Pigbuster is comercializing!

Johnnynet
31 Mar 2006, 02:06
Talk about Certique(sp?) anywho Nice style But I have to agree about the emotions.... if they're chubby then they're chubby.... Everyone has a unique touch (sorry for draging you into this Slick) Slick has his worms with flat heads... Mine have weird Ovals/Circles for eyes.... and Aku makes his chubby and plump!

Akuryou13
19 Apr 2006, 07:14
Maveristef is a very complicated worm. From the very beginning he knew he was different from all the other worms. He was a nerd, I mean seriously he tried to act cool but everything that came out of his mouth was just ....... nerdy. He was a nerd, although he never admitted it. But now those days have passed he has made some real progress in his social life, now he has got MSN, Yahoo, and tons of contacts. He can be annoying at times but everyone likes him. Although people now think of him as "cool", he is still haunted by his past when he was a dork. He thinks nicely, he is bright, he likes to have fun, and he is an all around nice guy Yes, this worm is not only perfect, he's Canadian.
+
aku brand evil thoughts
=
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32052719/
lemme know how you all feel about the expressions here, as I think they fit the way I meant them to be. I figure I maybe should've made mav smile a bit bigger on the second frame but that's really about all I can see that could be better, and it's not big enough a deal to bother editing.

psyke o_0
19 Apr 2006, 08:11
Give me a part..like..please ?:p (( nice comic btw getting better :p ))

Plasma
19 Apr 2006, 10:48
They still look fairly emotionless, although getting a little better.
And the outlines of the eye...covers(?) look too thick in comparison to the outlines of the eye. It really should be more of the other way around.

Horigan
19 Apr 2006, 12:44
Nice comice, just two things:
1.) I still wish the mouths would open when they were speaking.
2.) What are jaffa cakes?
Anyway, nice to see you doing something other than trimming the Blasted Comic comment box.

Akuryou13
19 Apr 2006, 13:24
1.) I still wish the mouths would open when they were speaking.>< CRAP!! I knew I forgot something when editing the characters!
2.) What are jaffa cakes?ask a brit, I barely know. it's a snack cake of some kind though.
Anyway, nice to see you doing something other than trimming the Blasted Comic comment box.page 4? what's that?
They still look fairly emotionless, although getting a little betterwell, look at the comic. mav has no reason to show any emotion he isn't showing (which is basically happy, ambivalent and doubtful), and philby is meant to be almost entirely uncaring about the whole thing. I'm mindless in the comic, so there's really not much I can do with emotions in this particular comic.

Plasma
19 Apr 2006, 13:27
...and philby is meant to be almost entirely uncaring about the whole thing.
In the last frame, it doesn't make much sense if Philby isn't caring.

AndrewTaylor
19 Apr 2006, 14:09
ask a brit, I barely know. it's a snack cake of some kind though.
It's a small, flat circular sponge cake, with a still smaller and flatter Smashing Orangey Bit placed atop it. It's some kind of very-strong orange jelly, and it leaves a bit more than a centimetre of sponge without orange around the outside. All of this is then covered by a layer of chocolate. The net result is a small cake which looks like any other sponge cake from one side (the bottom) and like a circular bit of choclate with a raised section in the middle from the other (the top). Biting into it reveals that the raised section is the Smashing Orangey Bit.
They're overrated.

Plasma
19 Apr 2006, 15:12
They're overrated.
We have the adverts to blame for them, really.
"Full moon, half moon, total eclipse." lol

Iguana
19 Apr 2006, 16:17
We have the adverts to blame for them, really.
"Full moon, half moon, total eclipse." lol
Oh gawd, don't fugging reminds me of that! :p
Anyway, constructive criticism time: in my opinion this doesn't look any better than the old one. Either draw EACH FRAME exclusively with the appropriate facial expressions, backgrounds and everything, or get back to sprite comics, the sprites were great anyway and those were actually fun to read.
Now they look like mindless zombies. The text is quite crappily arranged too, this design just takes the fun out of it. They're just some bland, emotionless worms sitting on the bottom of the panel on a white background.

pilot62
19 Apr 2006, 16:46
These are jaffa cakes, as AT said, in the raised part they have orange stuff inside.
All those who are criticising aku, remember, it's better than his previous sprites.

Plasma
19 Apr 2006, 17:00
in my opinion this doesn't look any better than the old one. Either draw EACH FRAME exclusively with the appropriate facial expressions, backgrounds and everything, or get back to sprite comics, the sprites were great anyway and those were actually fun to read.
I second that opinion.

Iguana
19 Apr 2006, 18:52
All those who are criticising aku, remember, it's better than his previous sprites.
If you mean his old sprite comics, you're wrong. The sprite comics were MUCH better than his latest work.

Akuryou13
20 Apr 2006, 01:29
Oh gawd, don't fugging reminds me of that! :p
Anyway, constructive criticism time: in my opinion this doesn't look any better than the old one. Either draw EACH FRAME exclusively with the appropriate facial expressions, backgrounds and everything, or get back to sprite comics, the sprites were great anyway and those were actually fun to read.
Now they look like mindless zombies. The text is quite crappily arranged too, this design just takes the fun out of it. They're just some bland, emotionless worms sitting on the bottom of the panel on a white background.you guys just don't like change :p half of you guys say it looks worse, but only because it's not the same, you don't give any reasoning.....so go away with your un-changing-likiness!

Iguana
20 Apr 2006, 01:35
you guys just don't like change :p half of you guys say it looks worse, but only because it's not the same, you don't give any reasoning.....so go away with your un-changing-likiness!
The thing is, it's a bad change. I wouldn't whine if it would have changed to a fun to read, nicely done comic instead of an emotionless, lazy mess. :p As I said either do a PROPER comic or get back to spriting.

Gardy Looo
20 Apr 2006, 04:59
At least if they're sprites, they're harder to recognise the emotionless-age 'coz it's tiny.:p

Slick
20 Apr 2006, 05:14
Yeah well...
OMFG COMIC REMAKE....AGAIN! (http://www.deviantart.com/view/32096573/)

Gardy Looo
20 Apr 2006, 05:19
Better than the last one. Psyke surely won't like it.

psyke o_0
20 Apr 2006, 09:05
Why ? its a nice comic :S

SupSuper
20 Apr 2006, 09:55
Yeah well...
OMFG COMIC REMAKE....AGAIN! (http://www.deviantart.com/view/32096573/)You're becoming some sort of alternate version of Splapp. With all the randomness but none of the gore :p

Zero72
20 Apr 2006, 09:58
Philby and Slick both win this thread.

psyke o_0
20 Apr 2006, 10:12
OR S*** jokes we all love

Splapp
20 Apr 2006, 10:37
Yeah well...
OMFG COMIC REMAKE....AGAIN! (http://www.deviantart.com/view/32096573/)
HELLS YEAH! :D

Plasma
20 Apr 2006, 13:13
you guys just don't like change :p half of you guys say it looks worse, but only because it's not the same, you don't give any reasoning.....so go away with your un-changing-likiness!
No, we think it looks worse because the emotions were easier to see in the sprites.

Akuryou13
20 Apr 2006, 14:02
The thing is, it's a bad change. I wouldn't whine if it would have changed to a fun to read, nicely done comic instead of an emotionless, lazy mess. :p As I said either do a PROPER comic or get back to spriting.
No, we think it looks worse because the emotions were easier to see in the sprites.
your opinions are irrelevant unless you actually suggest ways in which to make the comics better.

psyke o_0
20 Apr 2006, 14:05
Hand draw it with new angles and new possitions and stuff :P

Akuryou13
20 Apr 2006, 14:14
Hand draw it with new angles and new possitions and stuff :PWHAT IS YOU PEOPLES' OBSESSION WITH HAND-DRAWN?!
I can't draw! how many times do I have to tell you people that?! I've said a million times that I can't draw for ****. I've tried and I can't.
edit: here, try this one: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32109595/

Plasma
20 Apr 2006, 14:25
your opinions are irrelevant unless you actually suggest ways in which to make the comics better.
We did.
We suggested you use your old sprites.
You ignored us.

Akuryou13
20 Apr 2006, 14:36
We did.
We suggested you use your old sprites.
You ignored us.you said that the new comics are crap because the art sucks. if the art isn't good, explain to me WHAT isn't good. if you just prefer the sprites, then kiss my ass you're not getting them.

Plasma
20 Apr 2006, 14:45
you said that the new comics are crap because the art sucks. if the art isn't good, explain to me WHAT isn't good. if you just prefer the sprites, then kiss my ass you're not getting them.
No, we said that the emotions arent good.

Iguana
20 Apr 2006, 14:50
No, we said that the emotions arent good.
Yes. Look at some people's art, some official Worms art, some bloody cartoons/comics, ANYTHING that'd help the facial expressions and everything. People like Paul.Power also aren't amazing artists and know that, yet their comics are much better than your current ones
I can live with the crappy emotions if you get some good backgrounds, better text/panel layouts (bigger fonts would help to) and put a bit more effort into it. You can start by NOT making the worms sit on the bottom of an all-white panel.

Splapp
20 Apr 2006, 14:51
They'd be miles better if:
- The worms MOUTHS were open when speaking.
- The worms weren't almost exactly the same in every panel.
- The worms had more emotion than just a raised eyebrow here and there.
- There were some sort of background. It's too empty in my opinion.
- They were actually funny.

SupSuper
20 Apr 2006, 20:36
WHAT IS YOU PEOPLES' OBSESSION WITH HAND-DRAWN?!
I can't draw! how many times do I have to tell you people that?! I've said a million times that I can't draw for ****. I've tried and I can't.
edit: here, try this one: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32109595/Oh come on, worms are the easiest thing to hand-draw. Even I've done it!
And the humour is better than most of your comics.

Paul.Power
21 Apr 2006, 00:42
Plausible reasons why people prefer your sprite work, Aku:
1. You're pretty good at it. Admittedly not award winning, but you've made backgrounds, you've designed locations and props, you've crafted individual characters rather well. For most people except a few snobs, quality and detail are more important than whether it's sprite or vector or hand-drawn or whatever. So far in vector format you've done two strips with no background, no props, not even a floor. It's therefore early MAPP standard without the saving graces of deliberate amateurism and comically exaggerated expressions.
2. People care less about expressions in a sprite comic than a vector or hand-drawn one.
3. Dialogue-wise, you seem to have been spoilt by all the space you now have available. Random stuff about Mark Chang (who?) dolls may seem funny to you, but most people's eyes will have glazed over by then. People tend not to pay attention to large chunks of text in a comic, particularly if they're in tiny writing with a short supply of capital letters. The best comic dialogue is short and snappy and cleverly broken up.
If you seriously wish to persevere with vectors, I have three things to say: get some kind of rudimentary background going, give your worms decent expressions (I don't care if they're supposed to look natural, comic strips aren't the place for natural) and make your font bigger so that it a) is easier to read and b) stops you from reeling off unnecessary clogging dialogue.

Horigan
21 Apr 2006, 02:11
Actually, and I am not joking, I find it easier to draw a somewhat realistic human face than a good-looking Worm. Why? I've seen faces in real life, and I've done them several times. They have set boundaries about how they're supposed to look. None of this is true about Worms, not really. Now with practice, I can change one of those, but I'll still never see a T17 style Worm in reality. I can study, and work out, based on art I like, what the basic proportions are. Now I am practicing, and have drawn several worms (none f which I've posted though), but I still find it easier to draw realistically, than to draw Worms.
Really, I think people don't like these comics dialogue, and really blaming the art. I think you should look at improving expression yes, but it's more important to improve the writing I think.

Pickleworm
21 Apr 2006, 03:01
Oh come on, worms are the easiest thing to hand-draw. Even I've done it!
And the humour is better than most of your comics.
I can't draw a worm to save my life. Seriously. That "WROM" avatar that Futureworm had at one point is my best attempt.

FutureWorm
21 Apr 2006, 04:52
I can't draw a worm to save my life. Seriously. That "WROM" avatar that Futureworm had at one point is my best attempt.
It was awesomely bad, though.

AndrewTaylor
21 Apr 2006, 10:33
Actually, and I am not joking, I find it easier to draw a somewhat realistic human face than a good-looking Worm. Why? I've seen faces in real life, and I've done them several times. They have set boundaries about how they're supposed to look. None of this is true about Worms, not really.
Well, that was true up until W3D was designed. Different artists even within T17 drew wildly different sytles of worm. Not that it mattered much, as in-game you never saw a worm more than a few pixels tall.
Now you can zoom in on one and spin the camera around and T17 have one clearly defined Right Way to draw worms. Of course you're free to ignore it for fan art, but they do have "set boundaries about how they're supposed to look" these days, like any other recurring cartoon character. Moreso than real faces, in many ways -- there are some damned ugly people out there but worms all look much the same.
If you go by T17's art instead of fanart, you'll see a much more consistent character, so that's what to look at if you want to draw one.

Pigbuster
24 Apr 2006, 04:23
I think the best suggestion to give you right now is...
Make the room background. You know, the one with the couch and the TV. The one you had in most of your old comics.
Then you'll have to make your worms sit on the couch, look in different directions, actually do things, and it'll look a lot better. Probably.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2006, 03:36
I think the best suggestion to give you right now is...
Make the room background. You know, the one with the couch and the TV. The one you had in most of your old comics.
Then you'll have to make your worms sit on the couch, look in different directions, actually do things, and it'll look a lot better. Probably.probably, but if you guys hadn't noticed, there are quite a few comics done in my old comics that simply have white backgrounds.
half the complaints here are things that no one ever complained about from the earlier comics. the other half are people complaining about the art that I'm trying to fix.

Pigbuster
25 Apr 2006, 05:13
Your final comic was 133.
The earliest blank BG was 115.
In fact, out of all of the last 33 comics, only 2 can be described as blank. And those are especially blank compared to most of your other ones with fireworks effects and everything. The comic should look as good as your old one, but you seem to put more effort into your old comics than you put into these.
And another thing is that that was for a pixel comic. The panels you have now are very big, and it's really noticeable. With pixels, the art is very simple, and a worm is usually only a little bit simpler than the void.
And if you do make the background, that's one thing that you can copy and paste without people complaining.
Maybe what you should do is just remake some of your older ones in the new style. Then you could use that to help you make new ones.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2006, 10:58
The earliest blank BG was 115. I have NO idea what you've been smoking, but I submit the following:
http://www.gfxjunkie.com/spritedapathy/WormsComic/comic.php?comic=1
http://www.gfxjunkie.com/spritedapathy/WormsComic/comic.php?comic=2
http://www.gfxjunkie.com/spritedapathy/WormsComic/comic.php?comic=3
http://www.gfxjunkie.com/spritedapathy/WormsComic/comic.php?comic=4
http://www.gfxjunkie.com/spritedapathy/WormsComic/comic.php?comic=5
...the first comic with a background is comic 8. in fact, between 1/3 and 1/2 of the entire series of forum comics were blank backgrounds.
I've always used backgrounds only when there's a place they should be. I don't see why everyone's *****ing now, because it's the same as it always has been. and don't tell me it's cause the art is different because that doesn't make it any less noticable. white backgrounds are just as noticable and just as boring in sprites as they are in actual art of any kind.
and hell, I REALLY don't know why you guys are complaining because a ton of webcomics use plain backgrounds quite often. if not white then just one solid color that serves the same purpose.

Paul.Power
25 Apr 2006, 11:03
I think he meant "latest".

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2006, 11:09
I think he meant "latest".ah! that would make far more sense.
and either way, the last comics were in a story arc. they wouldn't make any sense without backgrounds.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2006, 15:07
better now you whiners?
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32354878/
edit: btw, aku WOULD be sitting down in the first frame, but I haven't quite gotten the sitting position thing down yet. it's close, but I don't have time to keep tweaking it.

Splapp
25 Apr 2006, 15:25
Still no open mouths. :(

Liketyspli
25 Apr 2006, 15:51
better now you whiners?
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32354878/
edit: btw, aku WOULD be sitting down in the first frame, but I haven't quite gotten the sitting position thing down yet. it's close, but I don't have time to keep tweaking it.
I like it.... Why dont u make some huge comic... if u want to... :rolleyes:

tgworm
25 Apr 2006, 17:28
better now you whiners?
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32354878/
edit: btw, aku WOULD be sitting down in the first frame, but I haven't quite gotten the sitting position thing down yet. it's close, but I don't have time to keep tweaking it.
good
work on the wormy expressions

AndrewTaylor
25 Apr 2006, 19:16
better now you whiners?
Looks fine to me, apart from the mouths, but the speech bubbles are the wrong way around. I know you're sick to the back teeth of hearing it but they are, and all you have to do to fix it is swap them around.
I had to re-read them before it made sense, and that seriously messes up the flow of the dialogue -- try watching a sitcom and pausing it for a second between each line and randomly rewinding. It's not easy, or fun.
I know you have your system of top-down-then-left-to-right, but readers don't bother with that, they just use the system of blind gut instinct. Whichever their eyes land on first they read first. If your system disagrees with theirs then yours is by definition wrong. Arranging the speech bubbles in a diagonal line from top-right to bottom-left is very ambiguous anyway. A diagonal line from top-left to bottom right is far clearer.
Aku speaks last in almost every frame, so stand him on the right. That makes all the problems go away.
Sorry to go on about it, but this is something that can make a beautifully drawn and impeccably scripted comic fall flat on its face so it's vital to get it right.

WormGod
25 Apr 2006, 19:18
What happened to your WIFE!?!?!!

Slick
25 Apr 2006, 20:47
Well...wasnt that straight forward?:p
And yeah, its better. But just do me a huge favor, and open their mouths in the next comic, and perhaps make the text a bit bigger...or somthing. OTHER than that, tis fine...not sure if I want to make my version of the comic yet though.:p

SupSuper
25 Apr 2006, 22:08
Maybe it's just me, but the outline of the eyelids doesn't look anti-aliased like everything else (particularly noticable on frame 3), why's that?

Star Worms
25 Apr 2006, 22:44
Still no open mouths. :(
I was thinking the same. It makes it look like they're thinking it rather than saying it.

AndrewTaylor
25 Apr 2006, 23:05
It's like Garfield, but with worms.

SomePerson
26 Apr 2006, 01:16
Looks fine to me, apart from the mouths, but the speech bubbles are the wrong way around. I know you're sick to the back teeth of hearing it but they are, and all you have to do to fix it is swap them around.
I had to re-read them before it made sense, and that seriously messes up the flow of the dialogue -- try watching a sitcom and pausing it for a second between each line and randomly rewinding. It's not easy, or fun.
I know you have your system of top-down-then-left-to-right, but readers don't bother with that, they just use the system of blind gut instinct. Whichever their eyes land on first they read first. If your system disagrees with theirs then yours is by definition wrong. Arranging the speech bubbles in a diagonal line from top-right to bottom-left is very ambiguous anyway. A diagonal line from top-left to bottom right is far clearer.
Aku speaks last in almost every frame, so stand him on the right. That makes all the problems go away.
Sorry to go on about it, but this is something that can make a beautifully drawn and impeccably scripted comic fall flat on its face so it's vital to get it right.To be honest, my eyes don't have a problem following the text. But, if it causes any confusion to even a minority it deserves to be improved, I say.

Pigbuster
26 Apr 2006, 06:06
I found that last comic rather good.
(And it's not just because Foobos and I are in it.)
I have no idea what I'm talking about in the third panel, though. Well, I DO have an idea, but it still confuses the hell out of me.
My expressions are decent, though I should still be a little shocked by Foobos appearing, rather than smiling immediately. Regular pupils with a _ mouth would be alright.
For you expressions, it's weird that you're smiling in the first panel. You probably should be monotonous throughout. (I think that it's okay when another character is more expressive.)
And if a character is monotonous, they shouldn't have an exclamation point in their speech, like you do in the last panel.
In panel 6, you seem to be looking at me, rather than at Foobos.
And about the text, larger would be kinda nice, and also if you could have it centered, rather than left justified. (Starting each line in the center, rather then at the left margin.) It looks a little better.
And about the reading order, it can be very simply solved with making your lines longer, rather then keeping them as a block of text. Observe the following masterpiece.
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Paul.Power
26 Apr 2006, 09:29
Basically, yeah, that's all there is now. Open those mouths and sort that speech bubble order out (seriously, it's less painful than it sounds).

Akuryou13
26 Apr 2006, 13:06
Looks fine to me, apart from the mouths, but the speech bubbles are the wrong way around. I know you're sick to the back teeth of hearing it but they are, and all you have to do to fix it is swap them around.....etc fair enough point, though I still have to ask why no one complained up until this point. my comics have always been done the same way and now the complaints start rolling in about things that have been the same since the first comic...I'm confused.
I have no idea what I'm talking about in the third panel, though. Well, I DO have an idea, but it still confuses the hell out of me. you were saying that you would prefer to be in the last area (the grassy place) than in a room with a painful (looking) spell circle in it.
My expressions are decent, though I should still be a little shocked by Foobos appearing, rather than smiling immediately. Regular pupils with a _ mouth would be alright. not sure what you mean by the _ mouth there, mind explaining?
For you expressions, it's weird that you're smiling in the first panel. You probably should be monotonous throughout. (I think that it's okay when another character is more expressive.)
And if a character is monotonous, they shouldn't have an exclamation point in their speech, like you do in the last panel.
In panel 6, you seem to be looking at me, rather than at Foobos. I meant the first panel to be somewhat pleasent looking while not showing any real amount of emotion, but I guess it's a little TOO happy....the tweaking of those lines at that small of an angle are a bit tricky.
fair point about the exclamation mark, I just didn't really think about it when I was typing to be honest :p
meh, it looks to me like I'm looking right at the top of foobos's tiny head, but I'll be careful next time around.
And about the text, larger would be kinda nice, and also if you could have it centered, rather than left justified. (Starting each line in the center, rather then at the left margin.) It looks a little better.
And about the reading order, it can be very simply solved with making your lines longer, rather then keeping them as a block of text. Observe the following masterpiece. maybe it's my monitor, but the text seems to be fine for me. granted, I did try to fix the size on this one, but I ended up having too much text to fit it all in even at 11 instead of 10....yes, there IS apparently a large difference between the two sizes.
btw, my net was down for the entirety of my night off last night, so I got REALLY bored, and this is what came out of said boredom:
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32400804/

Liketyspli
26 Apr 2006, 14:24
That one is very nice :)
But whos the worm with boobs on the weird stick? :-/

Akuryou13
26 Apr 2006, 15:04
But whos the worm with boobs on the weird stick? :-/ :D hey cyclaws, you wanna answer that one? ;)

>DoomWorm<
26 Apr 2006, 16:31
WHAT?! YOU SUMMONED THE ALMIGHTY FOOBOS!?
Nice art. and comics.

Akuryou13
27 Apr 2006, 02:28
Nice art. and comics. at least SOMEONE agrees with my opinion of it :p ;)

Cyclaws
27 Apr 2006, 17:23
:D hey cyclaws, you wanna answer that one? ;)
Yes.
It's Aku's alter ego, Liketyspli.

Liketyspli
27 Apr 2006, 17:50
lol. never saw a worm with boobs :P
Oh and the name's Liketysplitt, but it didnt paste :P

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2006, 19:29
fair enough point, though I still have to ask why no one complained up until this point. my comics have always been done the same way and now the complaints start rolling in about things that have been the same since the first comic...I'm confused.
Well, in most of the ones I've seen the speech order is fine. I haven't read them all, though, so I've probably missed a few that would have read wrongly had I seen them.

>DoomWorm<
27 Apr 2006, 20:49
lol. never saw a worm with boobs :P
Oh and the name's Liketysplitt, but it didnt paste :P
Put it in your sig.

Liketyspli
27 Apr 2006, 20:54
Put it in your sig.
also the part of the worm with boobs!?!?!?
:O j/k.

Pigbuster
27 Apr 2006, 22:33
fair enough point, though I still have to ask why no one complained up until this point. my comics have always been done the same way and now the complaints start rolling in about things that have been the same since the first comic...I'm confused.
Looking back at your comics, you rarely have 2 people talking in the same frame, and when you do, the person who speaks first stands on the correct side.
Plus, the small frame size made the text fit closer together most of the time.
Though there ARE some bad word positions sometimes.
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I can't say why you were never criticized for this before... I think Error404 was the first one to really notice (Could be wrong).

AndrewTaylor
27 Apr 2006, 22:54
I think Error404 was the first one to really notice (Could be wrong).
I don't understand how it is possible not to notice. It's not some detail that's not quite right that you'll spot if you're paying attention; it's huge chunks of speech being presented in an order that clearly makes no sense.
Unless your brain is for some reason wired up to read text in that order, or you've been raised on poorly-constructed comics and are used to rearranging speech in your head, or else you're just fantastically stupid and don't realise the dialogue makes no sense, then you can't possibly fail to notice. I suspect people just blamed themselves for it, so once one person mentioned it it suddenly occured to other people that if they're not alone, it may not be their fault at all, or else didn't bother to mention it if it was just every once in a while. I haven't really got the time or the inclination to look back and check what things were like. Too much pointless drivel in between them for that.

Pigbuster
27 Apr 2006, 23:29
I meant noticed AND said something about it. :p

Akuryou13
4 May 2006, 15:23
I believe the expressions are fitting here, and I've done just about everything else that's been suggested (including working on text placement/order a bit) aside from switching back to sprites ( :p ).
lemme know what you think.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/32795508/

Alien King
4 May 2006, 16:27
The exclamation mark on the end of "Ok, sure" doesn't really fit the 'i don't care' expression. Apart from that it's pretty good.
(The worms still look fat though :p )

Preasure
4 May 2006, 17:22
Personally it would have been funnier if it didn't involve death. That was set up well, but the 5 panel absolutely killed any humour I could have found in that comic.

Paul.Power
4 May 2006, 19:34
You are getting there, but there's still something... oh, I don't know... static about it. It's hard to explain, probably in the same way that people find it hard to explain to me why figure poses never look natural. I think the main advantage of freehand drawing is that it can't be perfect, so there are are always slight variations in the pics which make them more interesting.

Alien King
4 May 2006, 20:03
You are getting there, but there's still something... oh, I don't know... static about it. It's hard to explain, probably in the same way that people find it hard to explain to me why figure poses never look natural. I think the main advantage of freehand drawing is that it can't be perfect, so there are are always slight variations in the pics which make them more interesting.
was it there with the sprites?

Paul.Power
4 May 2006, 20:16
was it there with the sprites?No, but it is far more noticeable now that they're larger.

Preasure
4 May 2006, 20:20
I see what you mean. When the worms were only a few pixels high there wasn't over much scope for complex emotions. Now there is, the emotions aren't as complex as they can be. The only working is with the eyes, eyebrows and mouth, when now the whole face can be used to show character and emotion.

Pigbuster
4 May 2006, 23:19
Not sure that everyone thinks the same way I do...
But I found that pretty damn funny. Especially that 2nd frame.
I actually think that it looks fine, too. The expressions and everything is as good as it needs to be, I think.
Though that horizon looks bad. The horizon line should be higher, and have an outline like everything else.

Star Worms
4 May 2006, 23:53
I didn't like the "joke".

Akuryou13
5 May 2006, 00:34
Personally it would have been funnier if it didn't involve death. That was set up well, but the 5 panel absolutely killed any humour I could have found in that comic. well, I tried to think of the worst possible event happening that could've happened, and I can hardly think of something more depressing than a parent dying unexpectedly. if you can think of something more fitting feel free to suggest it.
I didn't like the "joke".well, to each his own as they say. my humor has changed quite a bit from the old days and I actually barely find any of my old forum comics to be that funny. if you don't like my sense of humor these days then all I can say is that my comics just aren't for you.
anyway, good to see some positive feedback from you guys.

Pigbuster
5 May 2006, 00:40
I tend to laugh at most things, even if no one else likes it. So if I find one of your comics funny, don't think everyone else will. :p
and I can hardly think of something more depressing than a parent dying unexpectedly.
The puppy holocaust? :eek:

Akuryou13
5 May 2006, 03:33
The puppy holocaust? :eek:uh....was also looking for something that only affected a small group of people. I imagine a puppy holocaust would effect quite a few people. :p

Iguana
5 May 2006, 12:08
Needs a better background, not just two differently coloured areas. That and you're an evil ****. Other than that, nice work :p

Akuryou13
5 May 2006, 13:20
Needs a better background, not just two differently coloured areas. well, all I intended that to be was walking in an empty park. I didn't really have a real specific setting in mind so I took the easy way out :p it served its purpose :p

WormGod
8 May 2006, 20:36
I'll say it again: What happened to your WIFE?!?!

Akuryou13
9 May 2006, 03:38
I'll say it again: What happened to your WIFE?!?!I have no idea what you're talking about.

psyke o_0
9 May 2006, 12:23
Ooooooooooooooh She's My wife now dave >=D

Splapp
9 May 2006, 12:28
Ooooooooooooooh She's My wife now dave >=D
Wanna buy some pegs, Daaaave? My wife says there's a blockage in your toilet...

Akuryou13
9 May 2006, 12:28
Ooooooooooooooh She's My wife now dave >=Dfor some reason, I think the fact that she's on MY bed right now proves you a little wrong :p (assuming we're talking about my FIANCEE (not wife))

LightWorm
9 May 2006, 16:39
for some reason, I think the fact that she's on MY bed right now proves you a little wrong :p (assuming we're talking about my FIANCEE (not wife))
You dont know how strong it is to make a smutty comment now, but I've got self disipline...
oh and your vector worms are OK, same with the comic(LoLn at the last one!)

Cisken1
9 May 2006, 17:37
for some reason, I think the fact that she's on MY bed right now proves you a little wrong
You dont know how strong it is to make a smutty comment now, but I've got self disipline...
I haven't...
Nah, still not gonna do it:p

Akuryou13
10 May 2006, 06:17
oh go away you two!

Akuryou13
18 May 2006, 15:27
this monday, while driving home from my house my fiancee (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=41835) got into a rather serious car accident while trying to avoid hitting a dog. she lost control of her car and it spun out into a deep ditch, totalling out the car and very nearly killing her. by some miracle, she came out of it with a single scrape from the seat belt, a list of bumps and bruises, and some soreness, but that was it. call it what you like, but I consider her and myself (I consider myself lucky because I can't imagine losing her) to be the luckiest people alive right now.
it goes without saying, but she'll be running over dogs in the future
but in good news, you guys get a comic out of it
http://www.deviantart.com/view/33467702/

Liketyspli
18 May 2006, 17:23
Oh. not fun to hear that someone you love got an accident... :-/
But you certainly got a nice comic out of it.

Paul.Power
18 May 2006, 18:29
Sorry to hear about that. I'm glad she made it out okay.

pilot62
18 May 2006, 19:33
It reminds me of an incident when my mum drove over a badger; they're nice creatures, but not particularly common, yet if she'd have tried to avoid it she herself could have been killed by oncoming traffic.
Situations like this are always bad, its good she's alright though.

Plasma
18 May 2006, 21:49
...and myself to be the luckiest people alive right now...
Well here's some more luck for you: I was hit by a blackout when typing another god-like reply.
Otherwise, I don't know how to comment on this.

AndrewTaylor
18 May 2006, 23:16
but in good news, you guys get a comic out of it
http://www.deviantart.com/view/33467702/
I'm almost positive that's not a normal way of dealing with that kind of situation. But whatever works, I guess.

Star Worms
18 May 2006, 23:30
well, I tried to think of the worst possible event happening that could've happened, and I can hardly think of something more depressing than a parent dying unexpectedly. if you can think of something more fitting feel free to suggest it.
well, to each his own as they say. my humor has changed quite a bit from the old days and I actually barely find any of my old forum comics to be that funny. if you don't like my sense of humor these days then all I can say is that my comics just aren't for you.
Well as I have experienced what it is like to lose a parent unexpectedly, I do not and will never find that funny in any way whatsoever.
Sorry to hear about your fiancee's accident, I guess she's quite shaken up about it.

Akuryou13
18 May 2006, 23:38
I'm almost positive that's not a normal way of dealing with that kind of situation. But whatever works, I guess.I've already dealt with it, actually. it was unfortunate, but since she came out unharmed there wasn't much for ME to deal with....her on the other hand is a nervous wreck for at least a few days.

Akuryou13
28 May 2006, 14:47
another comic for yous peoples.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/33936210/

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