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tal05
2 Jun 2008, 18:43
I'm making this thread because i've recently completed all my GCSE exams and the summer holidays are approaching so therefore i will have bucket-loads of spare time which i might or might not use to work on my hand drawn art-work. I will start accepting requests soon but not at the moment as i'm currently working on some of my own art work.
Heres a few worms i drew about 8 months ago and now decided quit waiting for a scanner to appear on my desk so i'm just going to take pics with my camera which i hope will do.
Enjoy...
reason for not using [IMG] tags: CBA
©
Copyright all images posted by me in this thread.
2007-2010

super_frea
2 Jun 2008, 18:46
I like the first one very much. Great style and great pose.
The second one not so much as it seems to be done in a different style. Also the skateboard is bit fat. But it is by no means bad.

.JeT
2 Jun 2008, 18:46
The first pair of pictures are goood, nice pose, nice style. The last one seems a bit bland though.
...Did i say i liked your style?
Well, i do a lot. Keep going!

tal05
2 Jun 2008, 18:49
i think so toooo! I'm not that found about the 2nd style either.
the 1st pictures style was inspired by a few people of the forum, were as the other one was done before visiting the fan-art forums :)
I'm working on another bigger/better picture in the same style as the 1st picture which may i say is looking pretty sexy at the moment.

.JeT
2 Jun 2008, 18:51
I certainly hope so!
I am looking forward to it. I don't know why, but I'm so happy a lot of good art is coming around in the forum at the moment. I WILL do a forum comic soon too, as soon as i get a scanner/a good digital drawing program thing.

tal05
2 Jun 2008, 18:54
personally i think hand drawn pictures are the way to go, partly because i have vista basic and is absolutely kak and doesn't let me use flash MX/CS3 and only lets me use fireworks MX (which is a great program but not for drawing). Also, thanks for the interest :)

tal05
2 Jun 2008, 19:42
sti teh wvurm puted perty clours ontop :cool:
(i know its not great, but i though i'd see if it was possible to colour in a hand drawn picture using a graphic program on a pc, obviously its not, well it is but with semi-dumpster classed results)

shadowman
2 Jun 2008, 19:50
I rather like that coloured version myself.
The third drawing on that first post looks a little wonky, though.

Slick
2 Jun 2008, 20:16
Niceness... although as soon as I saw the first picture...well...
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=565543&postcount=32
But hey 1st pictures style was inspired by a few people of the forum
At least you didn't claim it all to yourself.;)
:p

tal05
2 Jun 2008, 20:40
u'betcha!
i have more in the same style but different designs coming up

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 14:40
"Pfff... prove it... yeah i thought so ... ;)"

Gardy Looo
3 Jun 2008, 15:04
That first picture is seriously nice, along with the coloured version.

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 15:38
Thank you, thank you very much :rolleyes:
Any comments on the latest one?

poninja
3 Jun 2008, 15:40
Thank you, thank you very much :rolleyes:
Any comments on the latest one?
Yes.
Nice Pic

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 15:41
I meant constructive critisism but thanks lol

super_frea
3 Jun 2008, 15:42
It's pretty much the same pose as the 1st picture.
Maybe try another pose?

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 15:46
How about jumping sideways while shooting pose?

Gardy Looo
3 Jun 2008, 15:49
How about jumping sideways while shooting pose?
Yes, preferably with bullets and flying shell casings.

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 15:50
as standard :cool:

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 17:16
Told you i had free time :p
I think im going to cry :( but in a happy sort of way :)

Shadowmoon
3 Jun 2008, 19:48
There great! last pic ftw!
out of curiosity have you ever done a computer drawn picture?

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 20:00
i used to do them on my old windows xp laptop, but now thats gone and i'm stuck with vista and it doesn't run flash cs3/mx, adobe illustrator or photoshop.
So, i'm just sticking with hand-drawn until i can find away to make flash work :)
Constructive critism please??

super_frea
3 Jun 2008, 20:08
That's very nice!
I would say with that last pic to perhaps make the tail slightly longer. It looks shirt in comparison to your first pictures.

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 20:15
well spotted, thankyou, will keep in mind for bigger picture.
Oh yes! by the way i'm creating a team 17 forum group picture which will include 4 other people (until further notice) besides myself.
First 4 requests will be included, simple as that...
inc sig!

super_frea
3 Jun 2008, 20:16
Requests! Sig in avatar and in signature :)

Shadowmoon
3 Jun 2008, 20:22
Sig on page 49 or 48 of the character profile thread.
this is a request.

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 20:22
woop woop!
:)
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P.S Shadow, give me the link

Melon
3 Jun 2008, 20:34
The perspective is wrong on that close-up of the bullet, but otherwise, nice stuff.

Shadowmoon
3 Jun 2008, 20:35
I can't, i'm on my PSP. Just find it.

tal05
3 Jun 2008, 20:42
The perspective is wrong on that close-up of the bullet, but otherwise, nice stuff.
yeah lol
it was (in the words of St. Slick)... a quick doodlie

Traxada
3 Jun 2008, 22:04
©
Copyright all images posted by me in this thread.
2007-2010
Yeah....thats not how copyright works....

Pigbuster
4 Jun 2008, 03:19
sti teh wvurm puted perty clours ontop :cool:
(i know its not great, but i though i'd see if it was possible to colour in a hand drawn picture using a graphic program on a pc, obviously its not, well it is but with semi-dumpster classed results)
Actually, it would be possible, if you were actually scanning it instead of just taking a photo of it.
Anyway, you are much better than I remember you being, so good for you!

Kelster23
4 Jun 2008, 04:28
i used to do them on my old windows xp laptop, but now thats gone and i'm stuck with vista and it doesn't run flash cs3/mx, adobe illustrator or photoshop.
So, i'm just sticking with hand-drawn until i can find away to make flash work :)
Constructive critism please??
My laptop runs Flash 8. And it's a Vista.
Though it has issues with installing the tablet driver...
Anyway, I do request to be in this picture. If you don't know what I look like, just let me know.

Akuryou13
4 Jun 2008, 08:46
good art, but maybe try drawing the head in any other pose but that one :p

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 11:20
Actually, it would be possible, if you were actually scanning it instead of just taking a photo of it.
Anyway, you are much better than I remember you being, so good for you!
Thanks, i've been working on my drawing over all not just on worms but realistic drawings aswell so i guess its payed off :)
My laptop runs Flash 8. And it's a Vista.
Though it has issues with installing the tablet driver...
Anyway, I do request to be in this picture. If you don't know what I look like, just let me know.
Ermmm... i have a vague idea but could you give me link because i've only got a vague idea, thanks.
good art, but maybe try drawing the head in any other pose but that one :p
A suggestion?

Shadowmoon
4 Jun 2008, 14:18
Link to my awesome character (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=633195&postcount=1461)
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Akuryou13
4 Jun 2008, 14:19
A suggestion?facing straight forward? looking up? sideways? anything is fine, just something other than the pose in the zero pic you copied :p

Shadowmoon
4 Jun 2008, 14:24
facing straight forward? looking up? sideways? anything is fine, just something other than the pose in the zero pic you copied :p
There's nothing wrong with copying poses! it does give you practice!:D

Akuryou13
4 Jun 2008, 14:34
There's nothing wrong with copying poses! it does give you practice!:Dagreed, but if you don't do your own poses eventually it just gets boring. the fact that the face of the 4 or so pictures he's uploaded have all been in the same position makes them all look like he didn't try very hard. so I suggest he try more poses.

Shadowmoon
4 Jun 2008, 14:38
agreed, but if you don't do your own poses eventually it just gets boring. the fact that the face of the 4 or so pictures he's uploaded have all been in the same position makes them all look like he didn't try very hard. so I suggest he try more poses.
Yes it does, also i'm not sure wether he's new but new'uns should spend time copying poses before creating their own. At least thats what i think.

Melon
4 Jun 2008, 14:39
Yes it does, also i'm not sure wether he's new but new'uns should spend time copying poses before creating their own. At least thats what i think.
poses
That's the critical bit. You can copy a single pose over and over again, but you won't get anywhere unless you try something else too. Diversify.

Gardy Looo
4 Jun 2008, 15:16
That's the critical bit. You can copy a single pose over and over again, but you won't get anywhere unless you try something else too. Diversify.
Exactly. Expand on your style so you get more used to it. Try drawing your character in different angles on a piece of paper.

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 15:33
Ok guys thanks, ive taken that critism onboard.
Meet "Tal05 v2 Primal State"

Akuryou13
4 Jun 2008, 16:58
there ya go! very cool.
still similar, but I can at least tell it was wholly new rather than copied.

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 17:25
ofcourse its similar
1) its the same character
2) same style

shadowman
4 Jun 2008, 19:20
The tail's a bit wonky in the front, though.

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 20:25
it was to add an effect, to show that the worm is in a steady stance (can not be moved)

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 22:32
Come on guys!
i still need 1 more person to finish my semi-semi forum group pic! :)
super_frea
shadowmoon
and kelster23
chopchop!

Plasma
4 Jun 2008, 22:50
MEEEE if I didn't already request.
And if I did, then put me in twice!

tal05
4 Jun 2008, 22:55
you got it and you didnt already request lol

Plasma
4 Jun 2008, 23:09
you got it and you didnt already request lol
Oh good, it's always nice to be in a pic with Kelster!
Do I still get to appear twice?

shadowman
5 Jun 2008, 00:33
Me Me Pick Me!
: P

poninja
5 Jun 2008, 00:35
PICK ME pick me

Kelster23
5 Jun 2008, 00:54
I'm the blue one (http://kelster23.deviantart.com/art/SF-Pl-Ak-and-me-86690799)
I can actually see the ready to fight stance in your last pic there. Nice work.

TeDdywoRm
5 Jun 2008, 10:08
Draw me too!:)
The char profile in sig.

tal05
5 Jun 2008, 15:36
Oh good, it's always nice to be in a pic with Kelster!
Do I still get to appear twice?
why appear twice if you only requested once?

Shadowmoon
5 Jun 2008, 16:37
why appear twice if you only requested once?
Because, thats plasma:)

tal05
7 Jun 2008, 11:44
I'm the blue one (http://kelster23.deviantart.com/art/SF-Pl-Ak-and-me-86690799)
I can actually see the ready to fight stance in your last pic there. Nice work.
thanks :)
and ive started the pic now so expect it to be uploaded within 2 days :)
EDIT: i've been infected with cba syndrome... :(

tal05
24 Jun 2008, 14:11
I have overcome cba syndrome!
Heres pic of tal05 wearing dis-charged mjolnir mark iv armour (from Halo series). Its resistance to shock and powerful rounds from a MA5B Assault Rifle and other heavy weapons makes it perfect for combat and absorbing tal05's electrical currents. It has modifications to the tail and helmet to suit the structure of a worm.

shadowman
24 Jun 2008, 14:48
I've gotta say that's a pretty nice adaptation.
Now do me with the HEV suit. :p

Squirminator2k
24 Jun 2008, 17:11
Your pencil-shading isn't awful but your character design leaves a lot to be desired. It does show potential, though. Keep at it.

tal05
24 Jun 2008, 17:15
I've gotta say that's a pretty nice adaptation.
Now do me with the HEV suit. :p
Ill see if i have time (is a hev suit something off half-life?)
Your pencil-shading isn't awful but your character design leaves a lot to be desired. It does show potential, though. Keep at it.
Thanks, its appreciated :)

super_frea
24 Jun 2008, 17:46
I have to say I like that a lot. I think the character design is really good, however it does look odd with an entirely human shaped torso.

tal05
24 Jun 2008, 17:49
I have to say I like that a lot. I think the character design is really good, however it does look odd with an entirely human shaped torso.
Weeeeell, seeing as though mark iv armour consists of a human-torso and human legs, i thought that if i removed the legs AND the torso it would be very hard to create resemblence to the armour.

Kelster23
24 Jun 2008, 20:23
It's nice. But as for the human torso issue, just copy the details, not the shape.

super_frea
25 Jun 2008, 01:24
Precisely. You can make the armor the pretty much the same just a slightly different shape.

Akuryou13
25 Jun 2008, 10:26
what's throwing it off is the shoulders. worms don't have shoulders. it makes it look like the shape is wrong.

tal05
25 Jun 2008, 11:59
what's throwing it off is the shoulders. worms don't have shoulders. it makes it look like the shape is wrong.
You could say its wrong or you could say its different.

Akuryou13
25 Jun 2008, 12:17
You could say its wrong or you could say its different.no, it's only wrong. worms don't have shoulders. it's an anatomical fact. go look around and if you can take me a picture of a worm that has shoulders I'll never say anything against your art ever again.:rolleyes:

tal05
25 Jun 2008, 13:17
no, it's only wrong. worms don't have shoulders. it's an anatomical fact. go look around and if you can take me a picture of a worm that has shoulders I'll never say anything against your art ever again.:rolleyes:
Im sorry but if worms can have large eyes and floating hands, by GOD they can have shoulders!

Akuryou13
25 Jun 2008, 14:11
Im sorry but if worms can have large eyes and floating hands, by GOD they can have shoulders!that is the flimsiest argument of all time.
worms are given human traits in order to make them cartoony and interesting. tons of things are given human traights in order to accomplish this same goal. look at bugs bunny, mickey mouse, etc. the thing is, in order for the animal/object to make sense the core of the creature must remain unchanged. in the case of worms, the worms are given a face because that is a standard of all personification of pretty much anything. even if you animate a chair you tend to give it facial features in some way. normally, this is enough to get the point across, but in the worms games the worms need a way to interact with their environment and to hold objects. thus, hands were applied. basically, you look at the skeletal structure of these cartoony worms. they keep the same tubular shape of a normal worm and so we can therefore rule out all bones except for the spine because no others would make sense. add a skull onto the top and you've pretty much got the entire worm. now, the arms have to come in somewhere, but in order to keep the worm tube-shaped and worm-ish, they went with hands without arms in the manner of Rayman. this provides the worms with a usable and attractive body design. there are no arms present and so the need for a shoulder joint just doesn't exist. if, however, you feel the need to draw the arms, such as MFAH does, then and only then can you add in shoulders. this has been done on countless occassions by other artists, but to draw the worms with shoulders and to leave out the arms still is anatomically incorrect.

tal05
25 Jun 2008, 14:47
that is the flimsiest argument of all time.
worms are given human traits in order to make them cartoony and interesting. tons of things are given human traights in order to accomplish this same goal. look at bugs bunny, mickey mouse, etc. the thing is, in order for the animal/object to make sense the core of the creature must remain unchanged. in the case of worms, the worms are given a face because that is a standard of all personification of pretty much anything. even if you animate a chair you tend to give it facial features in some way. normally, this is enough to get the point across, but in the worms games the worms need a way to interact with their environment and to hold objects. thus, hands were applied. basically, you look at the skeletal structure of these cartoony worms. they keep the same tubular shape of a normal worm and so we can therefore rule out all bones except for the spine because no others would make sense. add a skull onto the top and you've pretty much got the entire worm. now, the arms have to come in somewhere, but in order to keep the worm tube-shaped and worm-ish, they went with hands without arms in the manner of Rayman. this provides the worms with a usable and attractive body design. there are no arms present and so the need for a shoulder joint just doesn't exist. if, however, you feel the need to draw the arms, such as MFAH does, then and only then can you add in shoulders. this has been done on countless occassions by other artists, but to draw the worms with shoulders and to leave out the arms still is anatomically incorrect.
N.o1: I will draw how i like and i will accept constructive crit if i agree with it and i think the drawing's standard is not up to my expectations.
N.o2: In this case i do not agree with your opinion. I understand your arguement.
N.o3: To put it lightly im not bothered if my picture does not resemble the "traditional" worm design, i've drawn it how i want it to look.
End of discussion.

Akuryou13
25 Jun 2008, 16:40
N.o1: I will draw how i like and i will accept constructive crit if i agree with it and i think the drawing's standard is not up to my expectations.
N.o2: In this case i do not agree with your opinion. I understand your arguement.
N.o3: To put it lightly im not bothered if my picture does not resemble the "traditional" worm design, i've drawn it how i want it to look.
End of discussion.*sigh* ok mr rebellious teen.
my point wasn't that you're not allowed to draw worms how you want, my point was that you need to either draw the worm with arms if you want it to have shoulders or not draw the worm with shoulders.
I mean, you COULD draw a person without shoulders, for instance, and you could make the same flimsy argument you're trying to make that you'll do what you want, but it doesn't stop it from looking wrong. the point of art is to capture the essence of an object or being in a way that is pleasing to the eye. if it's not pleasing to the eye then it isn't good art.
but far be it for me to disagree with you...

robowurmz
25 Jun 2008, 16:59
If you remove the shoulder-plating, you will achieve a great effect. Keep the wide breast-plate if you must, to retain the shape. Removing the shoulders keeps the same base shape but fits it to worms.

Squirminator2k
25 Jun 2008, 17:22
Y'see Tal, this is why we get into arguments. It's because of Shadowmoonesque (silt - Ed.) like this.

tal05
25 Jun 2008, 18:21
I mean, you COULD draw a person without shoulders, for instance, and you could make the same flimsy argument you're trying to make that you'll do what you want
Im doing what i want because MY view is that it looks good and like i said before, i'm not going for a A* conventional looking worm, i'm just experimenting, trying to improve on drawing skills and by no means just on worms so if it doesn't fit the script, its not a mistake its a experiment. If i wanted to impress the crowd it would be in a request, the other sketches i've done are for practice as i've got plenty of spare time now.
So, please just let go and don't comment until my next sketch because this topic is not up for debate any longer.
What does everyone think of a normal worm in a full human body suit as a drawing idea?

Squirminator2k
25 Jun 2008, 18:48
They say art is only truly art if it achieves the artists' intentions for it.
Obviously Tal05's intention with his art is to (hiss - Ed.) off a lot of people.

Kelster23
25 Jun 2008, 19:47
Please, just either give your worm arms, like Akuryou said to make shoulders, or just keep all detail and remove the shoulder part.

.JeT
25 Jun 2008, 20:02
What does everyone think of a normal worm in a full human body suit as a drawing idea?
Probably won't work much as far as everyone says, but you could try doing it. Won't stop ya.

Akuryou13
26 Jun 2008, 14:29
Im doing what i want because MY view is that it looks good and like i said before, i'm not going for a A* conventional looking worm, i'm just experimenting, trying to improve on drawing skills and by no means just on worms so if it doesn't fit the script, its not a mistake its a experiment. If i wanted to impress the crowd it would be in a request, the other sketches i've done are for practice as i've got plenty of spare time now.ok, but we weren't talking about that. you posted a worm, we were discussing that it looked wrong for a worm. if you has just said the focus was the power suit, not the worm, then I wouldn't have tried to argue about any of this. I would have asked why you posted the picture here knowing full-well that it was a crappy worm and why you didn't just draw a person, however.
and I didn't say it was a mistake, it was more an inconsistency that lowers the overall quality of the art. I can't say if it was a mistake because I don't know what you'd intended it to look like, I can only say that the end result was not pleasing to the eye for the reasons I've already listed.
What does everyone think of a normal worm in a full human body suit as a drawing idea? so basically earthworm jim? just leave that look to him and draw an actual person rather than trying to make it something you can post here.

tal05
1 Jul 2008, 22:40
Ok i thought i'd post this in here as fan-art because i need some help on how to improve on it.

Squirminator2k
1 Jul 2008, 22:42
The motion blurs are a bit stiff. That's just from a cursory glance - I'll crack this file open in AnimationShop once I've finished work.

tal05
1 Jul 2008, 22:46
The motion blurs are a bit stiff. That's just from a cursory glance - I'll crack this file open in AnimationShop once I've finished work.
thing was that i only rotated the worm at a 90 degree angle on any frame to stop the worm blurring so thats y theres a lack of frames. How should i smoothen the motion blurs? Blur/smudge tool?

Plasma
1 Jul 2008, 23:06
Make the motion lines a much lighter colour, if you ask me.

tal05
1 Jul 2008, 23:36
Make the motion lines a much lighter colour, if you ask me.
Will do, just finished this animation which is the same but with enemies to flash it up a little.

Squirminator2k
1 Jul 2008, 23:41
Also, why are all of your worms constantly looking at the ground?

tal05
1 Jul 2008, 23:44
Also, why are all of your worms constantly looking at the ground?
They are not looking at the ground... look close my child!

MtlAngelus
1 Jul 2008, 23:45
Also, why are all of your worms constantly looking at the ground?
One of them must have lost its contact lenses.

tal05
1 Jul 2008, 23:48
One of them must have lost its contact lenses.
You got here to late... i already told him he has not looked closely

MtlAngelus
2 Jul 2008, 00:07
You got here to late... i already told him he has not looked closely
However, their head is inclined downwards, and that does make them look like they are looking at the floor.

tal05
2 Jul 2008, 00:23
However, their head is inclined downwards, and that does make them look like they are looking at the floor.
I understand, that was just to make them look slightly angry.

Akuryou13
2 Jul 2008, 04:12
I understand, that was just to make them look slightly angry.angry?! those worms don't look angry at all. they all look confused.
it's much closer to the "one of them lost a contact" thing than to any form of angry gang battle.
also, the motions are too jerky. the worm stops for too long compared to the speed at which he moves when he does so. it makes the whole thing feel choppy.

Plasma
2 Jul 2008, 10:44
Also, for some reason, he slides backwards at the ends and then temporarily grows in height.

tal05
2 Jul 2008, 12:43
Also, for some reason, he slides backwards at the ends and then temporarily grows in height.
Its a sigh
Also, zoom in 200% and you should see that they have slightly anrgy expressions.

Akuryou13
2 Jul 2008, 13:06
Its a sighwhen someone sighs they move their shoulders, back and
Also, zoom in 200% and you should see that they have slightly anrgy expressions.if we have to double the size to see the expressions then you either need to double the size yourself or fix the expressions.

tal05
2 Jul 2008, 13:08
when someone sighs they move their shoulders, back
worms don't have shoulders, you of all people ...

Plasma
2 Jul 2008, 16:07
worms don't have shoulders, you of all people ...
One of these days, Tal. One of these days...

thomasp
2 Jul 2008, 17:26
Right, since certain people can't behave themselves and this thread is generating a heck of a lot of post reports, action will now be taken.
*Thread closed*

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