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Oransel
30 Sep 2011, 18:10
Before I will tell all I want about Worms Ultimate Mayhem, I think I need to give a little introduction. I am huge fan of Worms series. I enjoyed both 3D and 2D games, but my favourite of all times is the Worms 3D. Yes, I know, maybe Worms 3D is not considered best of all Worms by most of the players, most are enjoying 2D games like Armageddon and Reloaded. For me 3D is best game.
As much as I liked Worms 3D, I was dissapointed by Worms 4 Mayhem. Customisation of worms and weapon creating havent made me happy. If Worms 3D was game for 8+ really, Worms 4 was 2+. Simplified, weapons take strict amount of damage, AI is stupid, weapons that can destroy whole map are not restricted. No Wormspedia. Compared to 3D there was much less flags. Less wormpot abilities. No map creation. Goofy campaign for idiots with mumbling. I havent liked map themes (I HATE them). I thought: ok, I will wait for next 3D game, maybe Team17 will understand why Worms 4 failed.
Worms Ultimate Mayhem! Combination of Worms 3D and Worms 4 Mayhem! Best of both in this new game with DLC and new possibilities! I thought: what a news! My favourite Worms 3D with some features from Worms 4 Mayhem like customisation and weapon creation, plus maps and weapons from both. 10 map themes, two campaignes, new graphics. Oh that must be best game of the year.
I was wrong. It is incredibly difficult to anger me really. Team17 make me rage.
What is Worms Ultimate Mayhem? It is Worms 4 Mayhem.
Worms 4 Mayhem, 3D campaign and gas bomb. New graphics? You added NOTHING from my loved Worms 3D. No weapons. No maps. No voices. No flags. Only campaign and gas bomb. I saw files of game.
Team 17 lied and I will never buy anything connected with them.

Wolv
1 Oct 2011, 00:39
Same feelings here.

Plasma
1 Oct 2011, 01:53
Yeah, WUM is a re-release of W4. That's what T17 were saying from the beginning. It wasn't until the time came to write the blurb that the marketing crew decided it would totally make more sales to pretend it's two games combined.
They are not a very good marketing crew.
Oh, but T17 did say that the W3D maps not showing in versus was unintentional. They're going to fix it in a future patch.

TooLong4Yo
1 Oct 2011, 02:14
Cry more. It was advertised from the start that i would be just worms 4 + stuff from 3D.
edit: seems like I was wrong, it wasn't advertised as worms 4 + 3D officially, just on the forums.
Anyway, like Plasma said, a patch will come for the maps of 3D.
I only love worms 3D so I'm pretty dissapointed in this one too, that's why I didn't bought it.
But what is a real shame is the trial version. 1 quick match map, 2 worms 4 mission, would have had to find an other way to test it if it wasn't of all the negative feedback.

ChaoticMot
1 Oct 2011, 07:39
Cry more. It was advertised from the start that i would be just worms 4 + stuff from 3D.
That's wrong on so many levels. It was advertised as a game that contains all content from Worms 3D and Worms 4: Mayhem, plus extra content, improved graphics and gameplay.
I feel the same too. I was quite disappointed to see only Worms 4: Mayhem stuff with an added Worms 3D campaign. Not to mention there's that stupid input lag, FPS cap and buggy camera that make the experience even worse.
Since my first game was Worms 4: Mayhem and I had no experience with 2D back then, and I bought Worms Reloaded to experience it and I was disappointed. Now I bought Worms Ultimate Mayhem to relive the 3D experience, and I was disappointed again.
Sadly, never buying a Team17 game again.

Glitches
1 Oct 2011, 07:45
lol Team 17 and their infamous patches. Good luck on those. And when it does come they'll probably charge you for it and call it a "3D" pack or some BS. Glad I learned my lesson with them and stayed away from this one

ptitrun
1 Oct 2011, 07:58
same feeling here...I love the game, as much as I loved 3d and mayhem. but I waited much more from it !
my biggest disappointment is the fact that we can't use all the themes from 3d and mayhem in the map generator ! hope they'll add that in a future patch...
some of the speech banks are missing too !!

Wolv
1 Oct 2011, 10:32
Cry more. It was advertised from the start that i would be just worms 4 + stuff from 3D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms4E095TMcM#t=00m40s
Yes. Dohohohohohoho...

Plasma
1 Oct 2011, 11:09
lol Team 17 and their infamous patches. Good luck on those. And when it does come they'll probably charge you for it and call it a "3D" pack or some BS. Glad I learned my lesson with them and stayed away from this one
...anyone else know what he's talking about?
my biggest disappointment is the fact that we can't use all the themes from 3d and mayhem in the map generator ! hope they'll add that in a future patch...
Prooobably not, really. The 3D map generator was... kinda pants.

MrBunsy
1 Oct 2011, 11:10
...anyone else know what he's talking about?
Worms forts?

ptitrun
1 Oct 2011, 11:27
...anyone else know what he's talking about?
Prooobably not, really. The 3D map generator was... kinda pants.
I don't miss the actual worms 3G generator. I just want to be able to use all the the themes in WUM generator

Oransel
1 Oct 2011, 11:56
I agree with most of you. What was worst of all? Lies. If Worms developers told that this is another Worms 4 Mayhem, I would not buy it, that is true. But maybe I would buy next 2D or good 3D game. Now I say, add Worms 3D maps, map generator, all of weapons, Wormpedia and old music. If no, you will lose almost all fanbase, not just me.

ChaoticMot
1 Oct 2011, 12:01
To anyone who lives in Europe and is disappointed: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2149588

Phantom
1 Oct 2011, 12:16
OH MY GOD the guy who forced refund is a damn GOD. XD
He managed to override Steam Terms & Conditions + enforced a law. :D
I lol'd so hard.

Plasma
1 Oct 2011, 13:52
In actuality, Steam was at fault for refunding it. In that same article on the law:
3. Unless the parties have agreed otherwise, the consumer may not exercise the right of withdrawal provided for in paragraph 1 in respect of contracts:
[...]
- for gaming and lottery services.

SupSuper
1 Oct 2011, 13:52
People actually liked Worms 3D? Good gawd, what is wrong with you, it was over-hyped, broken in every possible level, the map generator was pants and everyone whined about it on release. Seriously, go check the forums or what's left of them. It had Shake your Coconuts for a theme! Jesus. If it wasn't for Worms 4 the whole 3D tangent would've probably been canned.
Anyways, I don't know why Team17 implied that Worms Ultimate Mayhem was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem, possibly easier to word because Worms 4 Mayhem is pretty much Worms 3D improved so it was practically the same thing. But nowhere in the media or info was it ever explicitly mentioned it was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem:
Battle and puzzle your way through all of the missions from both "Worms™ 3D" and "Worms™ 4: Mayhem" - it’s essentially two games in one.
That's it. That's the only mention of Worms 3D in the entire Steam page. The game was gonna be Worms 4 from the start, just with "HD visuals, gameplay enhancements and new extra content". That extra content, according to the press release: "more single player missions, more puzzles, more customisation, more worms!". That's it. No new weapons, no new voices, no new flags, no new major features, no new whatever else you've made up. None of the trailers or screenshots implied otherwise. Just:
60 single-player missions, 12 graphical themes, 38 weapons, full online play for up to four players and literally more ways to customise your worm and game experience than we can count.
Not to mention literally mashing both games together would've probably been technologically impossible (Worms 3D is so old they couldn't even fix up the missions) and just resulted in an ugly cluster****ed mes. If that's enough to make you not want to spend 10 bucks that's fine, but I don't know where you can claim they fooled you.

Wolv
1 Oct 2011, 15:02
People actually liked Worms 3D? Good gawd, what is wrong with you, it was over-hyped, broken in every possible level, the map generator was pants and everyone whined about it on release. Seriously, go check the forums or what's left of them. It had Shake your Coconuts for a theme! Jesus. If it wasn't for Worms 4 the whole 3D tangent would've probably been canned.
Anyways, I don't know why Team17 implied that Worms Ultimate Mayhem was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem, possibly easier to word because Worms 4 Mayhem is pretty much Worms 3D improved so it was practically the same thing. But nowhere in the media or info was it ever explicitly mentioned it was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem:
That's it. That's the only mention of Worms 3D in the entire Steam page. The game was gonna be Worms 4 from the start, just with "HD visuals, gameplay enhancements and new extra content". That extra content, according to the press release: "more single player missions, more puzzles, more customisation, more worms!". That's it. No new weapons, no new voices, no new flags, no new major features, no new whatever else you've made up. None of the trailers or screenshots implied otherwise. Just:
Not to mention literally mashing both games together would've probably been technologically impossible (Worms 3D is so old they couldn't even fix up the missions) and just resulted in an ugly cluster****ed mes. If that's enough to make you not want to spend 10 bucks that's fine, but I don't know where you can claim they fooled you.
Nice try, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms4E095TMcM#t=00m40s
And I loved Worms 3D and it's map generator, just for your information.

Stiffy360
1 Oct 2011, 15:15
Worms 4 and Worms 3D both had their set of problems and pluses
Worms3D
cons-
-OH MY GOODNESS SO MANY DUMB GLITCHES
-Where are most of the weapons from the 2D one?
-What the? Computers spawning inside of objects FTW!
-Dang collisions
pros
-Wow soo much customizability!
-Day night maps? Floating islands? coooool
-Wormpot oh yeah!
-semi-smart ai
-Actually decent Scenarios
-YES! NO STUPID COMPLETLY level destroying weapons!
-Funfun maps
Worms 4
cons-
-I WANT FLOATING ISLANDS D:
-Why is half the custom map flat?
-Sentry gun? how does that work?
-heightmaps?
-Hey! half the weapons are gone D:
-Most of the maps are flat
-fail ai
-fail landscapes (except a few)
-Linear story mode
-bad voice acting (in the squeaky sense)
-WHAT NO DAY/NIGHT SETTING?
pros
-yay more stuff
-SNIPER RIFLES!
-different controls (hmm could work)
-an actual story line
-New themes!
-hmm I can't think of anything else
-oh yeah LESS GLITCHES (maybe)
All in all I like both games
but if I had A choice I'd go with W3D
because it has better gameplay (as well as the uzi)
(Loved the scenario "A quick fix")
and It had more weapons and such as well as just plain more content
and customizability
WUM is an ok game
better than reloaded
but I hate these games (somewhat)
because they took out all the stuff that made worms fun.
Like armageddon, you could make a map practically any size, have up to 6 teams each with 8 worms, and duke it out with like 64 weapons on a feild with 100s of barrels and mines with unlimited turn time. If Wum could have that much customizability It could easily make the most popular game. Also add at least an sdk or something so we can make items that Team17 is to lazy to do on their own.
thank you :P
EDIT* oh btw WUM inherited all the W3D glitches
ok now I can say
thank you

Phantom
1 Oct 2011, 15:17
Did you guys ever hear about the game updates?
Most of the stuff will come probably from there.
There will also be DLC... I don't see what the problem is, except the game is badly optimised, there are more than 100 items for Worms, 60 single player missions... Are you kidding me? It's damn enough and long, multiplayer isn't flawed now, except freezing in lobby and Leaderboard bug.

TooLong4Yo
1 Oct 2011, 16:28
I edited my post, you are right, it was officially advertised as more then just 4 + 3D.
I spent too much time on the WUM topic so I knew what it was really about(4 + fill the blanks with 3D) and thought the official version was the same.
My bad.

ChaoticMot
1 Oct 2011, 16:49
The thing is, Team17 promised they would fix all problems with the 3D interface to make it more appealing.
And they did nothing.
I loved Worms 4: Mayhem by the way.

Oransel
1 Oct 2011, 16:57
People actually liked Worms 3D? Good gawd, what is wrong with you, it was over-hyped, broken in every possible level, the map generator was pants and everyone whined about it on release. Seriously, go check the forums or what's left of them. It had Shake your Coconuts for a theme! Jesus. If it wasn't for Worms 4 the whole 3D tangent would've probably been canned.
Anyways, I don't know why Team17 implied that Worms Ultimate Mayhem was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem, possibly easier to word because Worms 4 Mayhem is pretty much Worms 3D improved so it was practically the same thing. But nowhere in the media or info was it ever explicitly mentioned it was gonna be Worms 3D + Worms 4 Mayhem
I strongly dissagree with you. Worms 3D were awesome game, those who complain about it being difficult are just excusing themselves from new gameplay. Yes it was difficult but difficulty reminded me of old games when games were difficult and interesting. I hate new games, especially FPS, they are made for 12 years old idiots. They dont care about storyline, all they want is easy deathmatches with good graphics.

Thurbo
1 Oct 2011, 17:14
...anyone else know what he's talking about?
Patches!
It's all started with Worms 2: Armageddon. At the game's release there were several bugs, and they released hundreds of patches - with every patch fixing 3/4 of the issues and adding 1/4 more bugs.
That's continued in Worms Reloaded, that way it's taken almost half a year to get the game completely fixed. Because every patch brought up new problems. We can only hope that's not happening to W:UM :-/

Roboslob
1 Oct 2011, 17:19
Problems with the 3D interface being... What? The only issue I ever have, is the camera being difficult when in a very enclosed space, and even then going blimp mode and back fixes it.
And in WUM you don't really need the Uzi, as the sentry gun is a fully automated version anyway, granted, an Uzi would be useful in situations where a sentry gun wouldn't work, but you have plenty of other options as well.

Thurbo
1 Oct 2011, 18:19
The uzi is useless in 3D, it pretty much feels like a shotgun that only allows you to shoot a single target (although in sudden death mode it could be rather useful). I guess that's the reason why it's been taken out.

Plasma
1 Oct 2011, 21:45
Allow me to summarise the problems with W3D:
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Glitches
Glitches
Glitches
A lot of the weapons were basically useless.
The graphics sucked
Everything else
Water deaths
but I hate these games (somewhat)
because they took out all the stuff that made worms fun.
Like armageddon, you could make a map practically any size, have up to 6 teams each with 8 worms, and duke it out with like 64 weapons on a feild with 100s of barrels and mines with unlimited turn time.
....weren't all those features ('cept the weapons) added loooooong after the original game's release?
Look, when you haven't even played enough W4 matches to even play on a map at night, I really think you're not qualified to judge which game is better.

Stiffy360
1 Oct 2011, 22:42
Allow me to summarise the problems with W3D:
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Water deaths
Glitches
Glitches
Glitches
A lot of the weapons were basically useless.
The graphics sucked
Everything else
Water deaths
....weren't all those features ('cept the weapons) added loooooong after the original game's release?
Look, when you haven't even played enough W4 matches to even play on a map at night, I really think you're not qualified to judge which game is better.
True I have not played Worms 4 much.

TooLong4Yo
2 Oct 2011, 01:40
But water deaths are the most awesome thing in Worms 3D!
You can do something else then unleash the most powerfull blast before the other team does.

Shadowmoon
2 Oct 2011, 02:49
Errr, Worms 3D was actually fine. No, there weren't a lot of useless weapons, familiarize yourself with the list here: http://www.worms3d.com/goodies.html?area=weap&weap=two and point out lots of useless weapons. The only weapon I thought was useless was the Blow pipe which isn't even on the list and then the Uzi.
Worms Ultimate Mayhem is decent but nothing more than that imo, it really is just the Worms 3D campaign and Mayhem campaign, the only new content in there is the loyalty items and a couple of new maps, online takes the **** I really can't be arsed with 4 player matches that will take ages.
Also the camera on Worms Ultimate Mayhem is still flawed sometimes.

Plasma
2 Oct 2011, 11:32
Weapons that were either nearly always useless or could only be used the same way as other weapons:
Mortar, cluster bomb (mostly), uzi, petrol bomb, land mine, mega mine, binoculars, red bull (was just fast walk and low gravity combined), sticky bomb, and doctors strike.

Shadowmoon
2 Oct 2011, 12:31
sticky bomb
Not useless.. what other grenade sticks itself to anything?
petrol bomb
Don't see any other weapon like it and it can deal decent damage, so...
mega mine
Don't actually remember that at all.....
Mortar, cluster bomb
They are actually both different since the Mortar is a bazooka and the Cluster bomb is a grenade.
red bull
Gets to places faster, so what if it combines the two?
The only useless weapons were the Lottery Strike, Doctors Strike, Binnoculars and Blowpipe.

SupSuper
2 Oct 2011, 12:44
The point isn't that every weapon wasn't different, but that 99% of the time you use will some weapon over another and will never use every single weapon in your arsenal.
Not useless.. what other grenade sticks itself to any thing?
So it's a bazooka but without wind? Talk about cheap. :p
They are actually both different since the Mortar is a bazooka and the Cluster bomb is a grenade.
People will always pick a Bazooka or a Grenade over them though, clusters are very ineffective in 3D so they were mostly removed.

LavaWave
2 Oct 2011, 13:06
Glad I am not the only one dissapointed by this :| it feels too much like W4M but with upgraded graphics and same weapons (which is good as most of the weapons in W3D felt useless to me, there were some useful ones but W4M pretty much kept the useful ones)
also this game lags quite a bit, my computer can play games like Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 1/2 with max settings on, which makes me wonder why WUM lags
Maybe I will pick up WUM later when they have some good dlcs out for it, as of now it's just a buggier version of W4M (for example my mouse cursor get's stuck sometimes in the weapons inventory, along with some other bugs I forgot about)
I liked W3D and W4M tough, I never played Forts so I don't know about that but I didn't like WUM, feels too much like a remake.

MasakerOUT
2 Oct 2011, 15:04
its a joke, what u are selling TEAM17, ist a stupid joke, you have two games, you are merging them together with some improvments, some added stuff and you have there so much bugs, big bugs, so much not finished things, its such a shame. SHAME ON YOUR HEADS: how u can look in the mirror with a pure conscience and want money from players for this mess? U did miserable work, a few students in their free time during weekends could do it better here and want money for it, its a dishonour and disreputation for all the company!!!!! only a few days days after releasing a game and u need a patch, so sad! what did u do??? u did nothing at all, i am disappointed, u digged under the earth the potential of this game, u didnt even test it, no multiplayer maps from 3D, the "improved AI" is a joke, no official making of maps, no oficial adding maps, no options in graphic, but minimum requirements are went drastically up with only a less improvement in graphics, minimum staff was added, no normal adding of soundbanks and other stuff, i am sad for u, you cheat on trust of the players, go to hell!!! NEVER BUY A GAME FROM THESE CHEATERS!!!

Wolv
2 Oct 2011, 21:30
its a joke, what u are selling TEAM17, ist a stupid joke, you have two games, you are merging them together with some improvments, some added stuff and you have there so much bugs, big bugs, so much not finished things, its such a shame. SHAME ON YOUR HEADS: how u can look in the mirror with a pure conscience and want money from players for this mess? U did miserable work, a few students in their free time during weekends could do it better here and want money for it, its a dishonour and disreputation for all the company!!!!! only a few days days after releasing a game and u need a patch, so sad! what did u do??? u did nothing at all, i am disappointed, u digged under the earth the potential of this game, u didnt even test it, no multiplayer maps from 3D, the "improved AI" is a joke, no official making of maps, no oficial adding maps, no options in graphic, but minimum requirements are went drastically up with only a less improvement in graphics, minimum staff was added, no normal adding of soundbanks and other stuff, i am sad for u, you cheat on trust of the players, go to hell!!! NEVER BUY A GAME FROM THESE CHEATERS!!!
:D
Pretty much.

_Kilburn
2 Oct 2011, 22:44
I find it funny how Bill said somewhere in one of the speculation threads that the weapon panel would have no more holes, yet the only new utility in the game is the Binoculars (which are utterly useless by the way). I'd hate to be forced to spew lies to calm an angry community down.
The game even lost the amount of third party customisability that made Worms 4 last so long, since you went back to boring compiled Lua scripts for missions and hard-to-read XOM bundles everywhere. It's full of unnecessary changes that add absolutely nothing to the game. Trivial things like renaming the Ninja Rope or using a green cross for health instead of the classic red cross every game that respects itself uses. Heck, even the voice acting and the new shaders are gimmicks, it's a nice addition but it's not what's going to make your game the next top rated game on Steam.
It's almost like you guys despise your real fanbase and are taunting us with every new release.
I'm fairly sure this is impossible due to absurd legal issues and other complicated procedures, but your games would be so much better if you trusted your community a bit more. I'm sure there are a bunch of talented artists and coders here who would be honoured to contribute to making the game better, even if they were paid a misery for it. I know I'd take the job if I could code and balance weapons for free, because I'm a fool just like that.
Or at least beta testing sessions that are actually for balancing the gameplay. Out of all the possible modifications that could have been done, you didn't even think of buffing the Cluster Bomb, which has always been a useless piece of garbage since Worms 3D. The funny part is that you guys seem to be aware of it, since the enemies in the first Worms 3D missions use it all the time, and that's what makes them so easy to defeat.
Not putting much hope into further updates either. Worms Reloaded, y'know.
PS: I applaud your sound artists though. Great job on the new music, as usual. :p

ptitrun
2 Oct 2011, 23:14
For me, if they add :
-all the soundbanks from both 3D and mayhem (where are the French, German, Spanish etc...why aren't they in that remake ??? It's an ultimate version with less stuff ?? Come on !)
-all the maps AND THEMES FOR MAP GENERATION avaible on versus and multiplayer game. Some "air island" as we had in W3D on random maps
...the game will be great for me. I didn't expect so much new stuff since I know it was W4 + w3D...but right know it feels like W4 + W3D - some good stuff !
It will be great of course if we can have some dlc with new customization, themes, map and so on, but right now it's important for the fans that all the content from both game is avaible on this so called "ultimate" game...

Wolv
3 Oct 2011, 00:51
For me, if they add :
-all the soundbanks from both 3D and mayhem (where are the French, German, Spanish etc...why aren't they in that remake ??? It's an ultimate version with less stuff ?? Come on !)
-all the maps AND THEMES FOR MAP GENERATION avaible on versus and multiplayer game. Some "air island" as we had in W3D on random maps
...the game will be great for me. I didn't expect so much new stuff since I know it was W4 + w3D...but right know it feels like W4 + W3D - some good stuff !
Funny, since all those requests actually were features of the game which were promisen (T17 ad & news).

D_Wormkill
3 Oct 2011, 07:49
I find it funny how Bill said somewhere in one of the speculation threads that the weapon panel would have no more holes, yet the only new utility in the game is the Binoculars (which are utterly useless by the way). I'd hate to be forced to spew lies to calm an angry community down.
The game even lost the amount of third party customisability that made Worms 4 last so long, since you went back to boring compiled Lua scripts for missions and hard-to-read XOM bundles everywhere. It's full of unnecessary changes that add absolutely nothing to the game. Trivial things like renaming the Ninja Rope or using a green cross for health instead of the classic red cross every game that respects itself uses. Heck, even the voice acting and the new shaders are gimmicks, it's a nice addition but it's not what's going to make your game the next top rated game on Steam.
It's almost like you guys despise your real fanbase and are taunting us with every new release.
I'm fairly sure this is impossible due to absurd legal issues and other complicated procedures, but your games would be so much better if you trusted your community a bit more. I'm sure there are a bunch of talented artists and coders here who would be honoured to contribute to making the game better, even if they were paid a misery for it. I know I'd take the job if I could code and balance weapons for free, because I'm a fool just like that.
Or at least beta testing sessions that are actually for balancing the gameplay. Out of all the possible modifications that could have been done, you didn't even think of buffing the Cluster Bomb, which has always been a useless piece of garbage since Worms 3D. The funny part is that you guys seem to be aware of it, since the enemies in the first Worms 3D missions use it all the time, and that's what makes them so easy to defeat.
Not putting much hope into further updates either. Worms Reloaded, y'know.
PS: I applaud your sound artists though. Great job on the new music, as usual. :p
I agree with you. I tried to open the xom bundles, which is easy (I use Xom View 2.1). You can extract the tga images and import them. However, guess what? Once you launch the game, you notice the modifies won't be read. For example, I tried to modify the logo and what I obtained in the game is a white rectangle. Same for a texture: I modified the grass of the building maps colouring it red and that texture disappeared, putting another one as replacement.
Not forgetting also the sea that you can't modify its colour anymore. I think they put some code protection hidden somewhere. It's like they want to tease you giving you the illusion of modifying stuff externally, but you discover after you can't.

ptitrun
3 Oct 2011, 08:53
Funny, since all those requests actually were features of the game which were promisen (T17 ad & news).
Yep...I was really happy with that promisen game ! ;)
EDIT : I just refired W3D, wow there's so much missing from it...all those speech banks ! And the random map generator was much nicer ! With the ability to generate map with words, and to setup the max height, max water, amount of mines etc...I remember my favourite setup to be "Cameron Diaz" :o

SupSuper
3 Oct 2011, 11:36
I agree with you. I tried to open the xom bundles, which is easy (I use Xom View 2.1). You can extract the tga images and import them. However, guess what? Once you launch the game, you notice the modifies won't be read. For example, I tried to modify the logo and what I obtained in the game is a white rectangle. Same for a texture: I modified the grass of the building maps colouring it red and that texture disappeared, putting another one as replacement.
Not forgetting also the sea that you can't modify its colour anymore. I think they put some code protection hidden somewhere. It's like they want to tease you giving you the illusion of modifying stuff externally, but you discover after you can't.
Just because a game has its data in easily modifiable external files does not mean they intended it to be a "white pass" for the modding community, rather they wanted to make it easier for them to modify and tweak the game during development.
I get that this is PC GAMING and modding is inevitable and all :p but Team17 has never officially condoned it so you're pretty much on your own. From their end all they get are tons of complaints, bug reports, hacks and more that they gotta take care of, so I can see why they don't have the time to "trust the community" and build a fully moddable secure framework for Worms or something.

_Kilburn
3 Oct 2011, 20:29
I agree with you. I tried to open the xom bundles, which is easy (I use Xom View 2.1). You can extract the tga images and import them. However, guess what? Once you launch the game, you notice the modifies won't be read. For example, I tried to modify the logo and what I obtained in the game is a white rectangle. Same for a texture: I modified the grass of the building maps colouring it red and that texture disappeared, putting another one as replacement.
Not forgetting also the sea that you can't modify its colour anymore. I think they put some code protection hidden somewhere. It's like they want to tease you giving you the illusion of modifying stuff externally, but you discover after you can't.
Thanks for testing... I didn't expect any less, after what happened to Worms Reloaded. Didn't really bother modifying any XOM file other than the savegame because I totally saw that one coming.
Fairly sure I used to make tons of threads about how Worms needs more customisability that goes further than equipping silly hats, but I probably didn't manage to get my point across.
Edit: Also, unless it was changed since then, Worms 3D had several soundtracks per theme. Only one of each was kept in Ultimate Mayhem. I'll never understand the motivations behind shaving off content from a game that's perfectly fine, especially when said game is released on mother freaking PC.

A1BASE
3 Oct 2011, 23:39
Patches!
It's all started with Worms 2: Armageddon. At the game's release there were several bugs, and they released hundreds of patches - with every patch fixing 3/4 of the issues and adding 1/4 more bugs.
My favourite was the one that added DLC Team Credits to the main menu along with causing consoles to lock up whenever you tried to play a game.
That one was awesome.
Or the one that destroyed the multiplayer entirely for over a year and still isn't fixed. That's one's a humdinger too...
Scuttlebut has it that the next Mayhem patch will add a new pirate voice and a jester hat, while having a 0.05% chance of causing your console to explode and set on fire whenever you miss with a grenade.
'IT'S NOT A BUG! IT'S A FEATURE!!!!11!1eleventy!'
It's funny someone mentioned Brink and Splash Damage. The two games and teams are very similar - they've got a great gameplay idea, but their technical skills just aren't up to delivery.
Hey, Team 17, how about getting a competant developer to code your next game?
You can then focus on episodic DLC (more hats!!! etc) - if the core coding is solid, you shouldn't be able to destroy much while you're raking in the cash from your fans and doing the backstroke through your money-pool.
Hell, if this thread is to be relied upon you can just release old DLC, call it 'new voices from the past!' and charge people through the nose for stuff that already exists.
KA-CHING! Dom Perigon '52 all round! Top up the money-poll with a fresh wad of 20's, old bean!

Glitches
4 Oct 2011, 04:59
wow just played it , this game is beyond broken, the camera is broken, the jet packs have 1000 lb anvils attached to them, the sheep does 0 damage with a direct hit sometimes, the weapon damage makes no sense half the time. just rerelease W3D and milk us for some more $, id gladly buy that over this piece of crap. W3D was awesome, don't understand the hate for it, it was the least broken of ANY worms game since WWP 10+ years ago. This game just ****es you off with its horrible camera and weapons

D_Wormkill
4 Oct 2011, 15:12
Just because a game has its data in easily modifiable external files does not mean they intended it to be a "white pass" for the modding community, rather they wanted to make it easier for them to modify and tweak the game during development.
I get that this is PC GAMING and modding is inevitable and all :p but Team17 has never officially condoned it so you're pretty much on your own. From their end all they get are tons of complaints, bug reports, hacks and more that they gotta take care of, so I can see why they don't have the time to "trust the community" and build a fully moddable secure framework for Worms or something.
Don't misunderstand my words: we don't care of modifying the source codes for bad purposes, but at least do something like reskins/recolours. Like we did in Worms 4 Mayhem. Those kind of tweakings aren't damaging the game in anyway!
So what we're asking is leaving us, at least, the possibility of modifying the TGA files (and releasing a program for the water colour). If it's a sufference, well, they can charge us a complete Color/Skin game editor for a reasonable price, but it must allow us to modify everything concerning colours and skins. I think many people will be happy to give 5 - 10 € if they can modify the game as much as they can.
PS: About speechbanks...why the hell has the Italian voice been removed?

ToonLink
5 Oct 2011, 02:31
PS: About speechbanks...why the hell has the Italian voice been removed?
There are A LOT of regional voices removed... Like French and Spanish ( I knew there was a spanish one in W4).
Also, acan you make WUM speechbanks compatible with 2d Worms sb.?

jsgnext
10 Oct 2011, 19:18
I loved all the 3D worms games that came out till now( including forts)....but I think the main problem with them is the lack of darkside weapon types and darkside based maps(cave maps)....I know its difficult to mantain the camera quality underground....but the camera quality in WUM is horrible anyway xD

D_Wormkill
10 Oct 2011, 21:59
Good news for everyone: I tried again to change the bundles and it's working. YAY! I have zombie worms right now going through ranked matches to eat some good worm flesh. =D

insurg3nt3
10 Oct 2011, 23:18
Good news for everyone: I tried again to change the bundles and it's working. YAY! I have zombie worms right now going through ranked matches to eat some good worm flesh. =D
Tutorial or more tips my friend ;)

D_Wormkill
11 Oct 2011, 09:24
Tutorial or more tips my friend ;)
Give me some time to write the tutorials again. I'll post them in my clan website that I can't advertise here. =P
PS: Just to give you a proof, here's a screenshot.
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/D_Wormkiller/2011-10-10_00001.jpg

Thurbo
11 Oct 2011, 13:46
Well that's some nice pink blood around your mouth there :p
Oh, by the way... great one ;)

D_Wormkill
11 Oct 2011, 14:49
Tutorial or more tips my friend ;)
http://wormstersclanworms.forumfree.it/?t=58264372
The first of many, my friend. This is just the first!
(don't steal the tutorial: just consult it, but don't steal it: referred to bad guys in general)

insurg3nt3
12 Oct 2011, 00:16
http://wormstersclanworms.forumfree.it/?t=58264372
The first of many, my friend. This is just the first!
(don't steal the tutorial: just consult it, but don't steal it: referred to bad guys in general)
Great tutorial, thank you.
:)

Wormbot2K
8 Jan 2013, 01:29
Before I will tell all I want about Worms Ultimate Mayhem, I think I need to give a little introduction. I am huge fan of Worms series. I enjoyed both 3D and 2D games, but my favourite of all times is the Worms 3D. Yes, I know, maybe Worms 3D is not considered best of all Worms by most of the players, most are enjoying 2D games like Armageddon and Reloaded. For me 3D is best game.
As much as I liked Worms 3D, I was dissapointed by Worms 4 Mayhem. Customisation of worms and weapon creating havent made me happy. If Worms 3D was game for 8+ really, Worms 4 was 2+. Simplified, weapons take strict amount of damage, AI is stupid, weapons that can destroy whole map are not restricted. No Wormspedia. Compared to 3D there was much less flags. Less wormpot abilities. No map creation. Goofy campaign for idiots with mumbling. I havent liked map themes (I HATE them). I thought: ok, I will wait for next 3D game, maybe Team17 will understand why Worms 4 failed.
Worms Ultimate Mayhem! Combination of Worms 3D and Worms 4 Mayhem! Best of both in this new game with DLC and new possibilities! I thought: what a news! My favourite Worms 3D with some features from Worms 4 Mayhem like customisation and weapon creation, plus maps and weapons from both. 10 map themes, two campaignes, new graphics. Oh that must be best game of the year.
I was wrong. It is incredibly difficult to anger me really. Team17 make me rage.
What is Worms Ultimate Mayhem? It is Worms 4 Mayhem.
Worms 4 Mayhem, 3D campaign and gas bomb. New graphics? You added NOTHING from my loved Worms 3D. No weapons. No maps. No voices. No flags. Only campaign and gas bomb. I saw files of game.
Team 17 lied and I will never buy anything connected with them.
What dissapoints me is that there's no savegame, and I'm one of the guys who likes games that have cheats to unlock everything, not useless stuff like "unlockables" and "achivements". So if anyone here knows of a site where you created an account, can you upload the save file of your hard, hard work? If the game is not done 100%, I will get angry and never download a single link you post. Also, I'm a new guy. :D (That means hello)

MrPanic
8 Jan 2013, 11:58
Still no 3d maps on xbox...

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