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tgworm
25 Feb 2007, 19:33
Well it's all in the title really, but here's a bit more information. I have started taking random worm pictures and changing them, this could mean putting them into comics or simply re-styling them. You can also give me story lines, requests for sig drawings etc. So rate, judge, comment and critisize all my work but I am doing this to show a new way of looking at art. Having said that some pieces of work may be similar to that done in the past so anyway here's my first piece...not very funny i know but i couldnt think of a story line

Melon
25 Feb 2007, 20:17
Hmmm.... this has potential. I wonder if it's possible to take frames from other people's comics here and sort them into a whole new story, changing the words obviously. That is, if the original authors don't mind...

Liketyspli
25 Feb 2007, 22:37
Lol, original idea, and what Melon said would be pretty cool too.

tgworm
26 Feb 2007, 15:56
Ok, I've taken that in, could I have some more comments on this first comic though?

Paul.Power
26 Feb 2007, 16:27
The last panel appears to be a complete non-sequitor.

Plasma
26 Feb 2007, 17:37
T'would be a lot better if you used different sprites for each panel, rather than the same ones for multiples.

tgworm
26 Feb 2007, 19:25
I did this one a while ago and is pretty shizen.....Huzzah! And secondly my own art Slick stylin, And yes I did do it in mspaint so u know..

tgworm
26 Feb 2007, 20:18
Lastly for today, I am going to post my first attempt at shading on mspaint, what do you think. Comments please!!

Cisken1
26 Feb 2007, 20:42
Not bad, but Imagine a light source somewhere and add shadows too, I'll demonstrate on my zeor pic:
Imagine the light soure being on the upper right hand side of your screen. Shadows are blue, Highlights (lighter spots) are red and some refelction from the lightsword (yes, that's a lightsource too) is green. just study the pic for a while, I hope it helps out.

Melon
26 Feb 2007, 20:55
For your first submited picture it's not bad, especially seeing as you did it in paint AND attempted to shade it. But he needs eyebrows.
And sorry but I couldn't resist.... This is for all you b3tans out there (that'll be you then).

tgworm
26 Feb 2007, 21:09
Thanks cisken alot for that! What's the best program to use for computer drawing and can i get it for free in any way?

Melon
26 Feb 2007, 21:20
I use GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/). It's like Photoshop, but open source (ie. free). Just be warned that it's one monster of a program, so make sure you've got a fast internet.
Cisken there used Flash. I don't know what other people use, but I think Paintshop/Photoshop, GIMP and Flash are the most common.

tgworm
26 Feb 2007, 21:31
Cheers! Now, still in paint i've tried to do what cisken told me to, what do you think?

Pigbuster
27 Feb 2007, 02:38
The shadow is too high. There's some weird perspective going on, there.
Shading's alright, though.

Kelster23
27 Feb 2007, 05:03
I like your idea actually, it's original!
For your pic there, the shadow is like the sun is setting. Try again, you'll get it!;)

tgworm
27 Feb 2007, 13:05
ok, cheers. I'm practising as much as possible what with GCSE's etc. Hopefully i'll get the knack of it soon.

Vader
27 Feb 2007, 13:49
For your first submited picture it's not bad, especially seeing as you did it in paint AND attempted to shade it. But he needs eyebrows.
And sorry but I couldn't resist.... This is for all you b3tans out there (that'll be you then).
b3ta was funny once. Now it is nothing but CDC and memes.

tgworm
27 Feb 2007, 16:22
Hmmmm, I'm having a problem with shadows. But i think the shadings better on this one.

tgworm
27 Feb 2007, 16:58
Hazzah...tried to use lighting, more comments please, Oh and btw I have to save all these pics as PNG so thats why they come out all crappy

SuperBlob
27 Feb 2007, 17:22
Hazzah...tried to use lighting, more comments please, Oh and btw I have to save all these pics as PNG so thats why they come out all crappy
...PNG = good quality :confused:

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 18:22
Hazzah...tried to use lighting, more comments please, Oh and btw I have to save all these pics as PNG so thats why they come out all crappy
No, the crap quality comes from JPEG. That image, is a JPEG.

philby4000
27 Feb 2007, 18:36
Not bad, but Imagine a light source somewhere and add shadows too, I'll demonstrate on my zeor pic:
Imagine the light soure being on the upper right hand side of your screen. Shadows are blue, Highlights (lighter spots) are red and some refelction from the lightsword (yes, that's a lightsource too) is green. just study the pic for a while, I hope it helps out.
No offence, cisken, but that's an absolutely crap picture to try and teach anyone shading.
And Tg's first effort was far better than what he's drawn since then.

Liketyspli
27 Feb 2007, 18:59
[Worm and car Picture
Why does he look extremely happy?

twoapenny
27 Feb 2007, 19:23
Nice stuff here man, You have improved a hell of a lot since you began. Keep working on those facial expressions and shadows. I like the shading =D

kikumbob
27 Feb 2007, 19:31
Ditto but try to connect the shadow to the worm next time, k?

tgworm
27 Feb 2007, 19:33
Why does he look extremely happy?
Don't know, that came out wrong, and AK i did save it as PNG, for deffinate!:eek:

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 19:42
No, it's been saved as, or converted to a JPEG
It should be worth noting, that the forum has a tendancy to covert PNG files to JPG, thus saving space.
It's always better to use Imageshack (www.imageshack.us)

philby4000
27 Feb 2007, 19:54
It's always better to use Imageshack (www.imageshack.us)
Like so:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6698/aaaaaaaaaahk8.png
Seriously, ignore Cisken.:p
Besides, shading is the least of your worries. Get the worms right, then start shading.
I think your main problem is that you apear to be thinking in two dimensions, rather than three.
Look at your picture with the yellow 'light source'. It's just a floating box with no indication as to it's actual position in the picture.
You also seem to have exclusively adopted the 3 quarter view for the faces. Try drawing them from different angles. Once you can draw the worm from any angle and in any position you'll have little trouble with the shading.:)

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 19:58
Seriously, ignore Cisken.:p
In fairness, in Cisken's image; the lightsource could be coming from behind the worm, resulting in much smaller highlights. Although, the shadows are still too small... and there are considerable flaws in some shaded areas.
Nice little explanation there.

philby4000
27 Feb 2007, 20:07
In fairness, in Cisken's image; the lightsource could be coming from behind the worm, resulting in much smaller highlights. Although, the shadows are still too small...
That's not what the shadow cast by the worm says.

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 20:08
That's not what the shadow cast by the worm says.
Whoops, missed that flaw.

tgworm
27 Feb 2007, 21:01
I think I might try drawing with the good old fashioned pencil on paper, oh sh*t I have no scanner, hmm what to do?!?:eek:

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 21:02
Buy a scanner? It's a very useful and practical tool.
Focus a lot on improving the shape of your worms. Then focus on expressions and shading.

Pigbuster
27 Feb 2007, 22:08
Some scanners are rather cheap.
I'd only buy one if you really want to keep drawing, though. Otherwise you'll be stuck with a useless scanner for a while.

Alien King
27 Feb 2007, 22:10
Some scanners are rather cheap.
I'd only buy one if you really want to keep drawing, though. Otherwise you'll be stuck with a scanner you don't use for a while.
They have other practical uses.
If you're not planning on becoming a dedicated artist and have no other need for a scanner, then do as PB says and don't buy one. Or, buy a cheap one and become skilled at cleaning up scanned images or learn to use the curved line tool on imaging programs.

kikumbob
28 Feb 2007, 00:17
Or buy one of those cheap neat tablet and pens that connect to your computer.

Zero72
28 Feb 2007, 11:11
cheap neat tablet and pensHaha! Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Heh heh. Ahahaha. Heh. Ahh.

SupSuper
28 Feb 2007, 12:33
cheapWhat crazy deranged alternate universe do you live in?

tgworm
28 Feb 2007, 13:16
If you're not planning on becoming a dedicated artist
I am, truly, I just wonder if i have enough potential.:confused:

Kelster23
28 Feb 2007, 15:49
If you're not planning on becoming a dedicated artist
I am, truly, I just wonder if i have enough potential.:confused:
I'm sure you can. It comes with practice, and/or talent. But I already see potential here!;)

tgworm
28 Feb 2007, 19:00
I'm sure you can. It comes with practice, and/or talent. But I already see potential here!;)
Oh thanks! Means alot:)

kikumbob
28 Feb 2007, 19:01
What crazy deranged alternate universe do you live in? I do apologise. When I meant cheap I meant about £30 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Mini-Graphics-Tablet-Pen/dp/B00026CBWM/ref=sr_1_1/202-8584475-8626234?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)
Its approximately the price at which you can get a bog standard good quality scanner for.

tgworm
28 Feb 2007, 19:05
I do apologise. When I meant cheap I meant about £30 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Mini-Graphics-Tablet-Pen/dp/B00026CBWM/ref=sr_1_1/202-8584475-8626234?ie=UTF8&s=electronics)
Its approximately the price at which you can get a bog standard good quality scanner for.
Which would be better for drawing?

Paul.Power
28 Feb 2007, 20:28
bog standard good qualityThat's a fun oxymoron.

Alien King
28 Feb 2007, 20:28
Which would be better for drawing?
I would say a scanner, as a tablet takes much more practice to use.

kikumbob
28 Feb 2007, 23:45
That's a fun oxymoron.I hate to be extremely pedantic but no. Alot of scanners come extra features and buttons and printers with all these multicopying ideas ekcetra. A bog standard scanner is just a scanner which scans stuff and nothing else. A good quality bog standard scanner isn't hard to come by.
Tablets do take practice and patience though. However, tg, if you've seen the stuff my brother's done with one you'll notice how worth it the practice is.

Kelster23
1 Mar 2007, 15:48
Did you know that with alot of scanners when the bulb burns out it's cheaper just to buy a new one?
Some pretty expensive bulbs there... and I guess the cost of getting someone else to replace it.

Cisken1
1 Mar 2007, 18:20
I was just showing him what I did in that picture, I've ALWAYS done shadows like that and no one ever complained!
Oh and zero is facing tail back in that picture if you hadn't noticed like this:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2549/zeorperspectiveob8.png
GHA!

philby4000
1 Mar 2007, 20:20
I was just showing him what I did in that picture, I've ALWAYS done shadows like that and no one ever complained!
Oh and zero is facing tail back in that picture if you hadn't noticed like this:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2549/zeorperspectiveob8.png
GHA!
Yes, but you've never tried teaching others to shade like you do.
I assumed it was part of your style.
Also, the worm's position changes nothing, because I based my little tutorial on it.:rolleyes:

tgworm
1 Mar 2007, 21:22
Huzzah! I think the worm shape is better this time...

philby4000
1 Mar 2007, 21:54
Shading's still off.
It would be fine if the worm was flat.:p

Metal Alex
1 Mar 2007, 21:59
I find the head quite small...

tgworm
1 Mar 2007, 22:08
Shading's still off.
How should I better it?
It would be fine if the worm was flat What do you mean flat?

Alien King
1 Mar 2007, 22:13
How should I better it?
What do you mean flat?
2D
You need to make it have a little more depth.

philby4000
1 Mar 2007, 22:18
How should I better it?
*slaps forehead*
Go back a page.
What do you mean flat?
Imagine a cookie shaped like a worm.
Now place it on a table and place a torch next to it.
Stop thinking 'how should I shade this 2D worm', and start thinking 'If this was a real 3D object, how would it look if the light was coming from this direction?'
And by 'this direction' I don't just mean 'the left side of the page'.:p

Kelster23
2 Mar 2007, 01:29
Basically, think about which sides stick out, which are indented. Express this with shadows and higlights.

Cisken1
2 Mar 2007, 12:29
Yes, but you've never tried teaching others to shade like you do.
I assumed it was part of your style.
Also, the worm's position changes nothing, because I based my little tutorial on it.:rolleyes:
It IS part of my style...
And just ignore me then.

kikumbob
2 Mar 2007, 17:08
So as to balance the general critque to praise ratio of this thread, the drawings are actually getting better every time you draw a new worm. Keep at it.

tgworm
2 Mar 2007, 17:35
Thanks all, will try and work on those points.

tgworm
5 Mar 2007, 17:40
Cisken.......

super_frea
5 Mar 2007, 23:02
Whilst it's good, there is plenty of room for improvement. I think you still need to work on the over all shape of the worm. The cigar positioning in the mouth looks a bit odd as well. Still you are getting better none the less.

Cisken1
5 Mar 2007, 23:05
It's 'decent' but you forgot my corporal badge and glasses, no wonder I'm staring at the ceiling thinking "Did the sky shrink again?"

tgworm
11 Mar 2007, 15:09
Ok, This thread has changed from the original idea so I am going to delete this thread in a few days (or let it die), but for now I just wanna show off this new avatar I just made.:p For some reason when I upload this animation I made it goes about 3 times slower than how I made it. Anyone got any ideas why?

Melon
11 Mar 2007, 15:13
Why do you delete your threads after you've finished with them?
Just leave them up, you never know when you'll want to look back at them. All you have to do is ask AndrewTaylor or thomasp nicely and they'll close it, and then it'll just slowly sink to the depths of obscurity, but it'll still be around if you want to look back later.
Or just don't post in it and it'll die, whichever.

SupSuper
11 Mar 2007, 16:41
Ok, This thread has changed from the original idea so I am going to delete this thread in a few days (or let it die), but for now I just wanna show off this new avatar I just made.:p For some reason when I upload this animation I made it goes about 3 times slower than how I made it. Anyone got any ideas why?Some browsers / programs display some GIFs slower than they actually are to prevent them from being too annoying.

tgworm
11 Mar 2007, 17:17
Then how should I correct it?

Alien King
11 Mar 2007, 17:40
Then how should I correct it?
Setting the frame display time to 6 instead of 5 usually does the trick. The difference is minimal at first, but it displays better in browsers.
Or, don't use IE.

tgworm
11 Mar 2007, 19:43
Ok well here's the av. Do you wanna try speeding it up?

Alien King
11 Mar 2007, 20:22
The big problem was the fact you had several frames with a duration of 100th of a second (1), which never works properly.
The smallest you should go is 6.
It's too big to use as an av anyway and I'm not resizing it right now.

tgworm
11 Mar 2007, 20:48
The big problem was the fact you had several frames with a duration of 100th of a second (1), which never works properly.
The smallest you should go is 6.
It's too big to use as an av anyway and I'm not resizing it right now.
Ok thanks alot AK.

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