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Worm Mania
30 Oct 2005, 18:05
I was wondering if they are gonna make a Worms:5 ? cause i want them to I think that having different sknned worms would be awesome and also I think that you could personalize EACH worm instead of having the mustache and the hat.That would be cool :P

Cyclaws
30 Oct 2005, 18:19
No one knows.

DarthDarky
30 Oct 2005, 18:29
I can confirm that yes, we are working with Unreal 3. No details of what we're working on has been, or will be released at the current time.
Apart from the announced Worms for PSP/DS, no other Worms title is in production at Team17.
Theyre not working on it at the moment.

thomasp
30 Oct 2005, 19:02
I hope we don't see Worms5 for a few years - like 5 or 10
In my opinion, Team17 have been doing too much on the Worms series lately - soon, that's all they'll be able to do, since publishers won't want them to do anything else. They will be known for only doing the Worms series.
Team17 should leave Worms alone (bar patching where neccesary, and possibly on the handheld consoles) for a few years, explore some other avenues and different genres (maybe even invent a new genre), and then, come back to Worms and transform it, while keeping it similar to the original series (if that's possible)

pilot62
30 Oct 2005, 22:55
I hope we don't see Worms5 for a few years - like 5 or 10
In my opinion, Team17 have been doing too much on the Worms series lately - soon, that's all they'll be able to do, since publishers won't want them to do anything else. They will be known for only doing the Worms series.
Team17 should leave Worms alone (bar patching where neccesary, and possibly on the handheld consoles) for a few years, explore some other avenues and different genres (maybe even invent a new genre), and then, come back to Worms and transform it, while keeping it similar to the original series (if that's possible)
Yea, I agree with you, but worms sells.

Star Worms
31 Oct 2005, 09:23
Personally I don't think it will for much longer, I feel it's losins its touch. I bought W3D, it was ok, I played the W4 demo, it was ok. Nothing in these 3d games shouts out to me to want me to buy them. I mean Worms Armageddon just has the fun factor whereas the new games don't. IMO.

Me!!!
31 Oct 2005, 13:35
WHAT?! But...Worms is the best game in the world! Why would they want to make some other lame, boring game when they could be making more worms games!
And what do you mean about making a new genre? Worms IS a new genre, it has a unique genre of its own. It is the most original concept there is!! I can simply not believe what I am hearing. Why no worms 5?
It would get old pretty quickly if they would just add new maps, clothing options, better rope and multiplayer maps to a new game. Besides, there aren't so many fresh ideas to add in worms anymore. I would be glad to see T17 making something else than worms all the time. (Not that worms is bad though--)

thomasp
31 Oct 2005, 13:56
Well, then u r strange. The 3D games are amazing, i dont understand why so many people are so fussy about sticking to the 2d games.
I haven't played W4 yet, but based on W3D and WFUS, I think Team17 did a fair job at making worms go 3D. However, they've done practically everything that can be done with the worms series. The only way to improve it is to wait for a significant step up in computer hardware and power, so as the game can be transformed and take advantage of better systems.
WHAT?! But...Worms is the best game in the world!
And all good things must come to an end :)
Surely, you'd rather Team17 finish the worms series on a high note (like, say, W4), than on a low note, with, say, "Worms25 : Oh no, Not another Worms game"
Why would they want to make some other lame, boring game when they could be making more worms games!
Because simply, worms will soon get "lame [and] boring" if they keep on doing the same thing - think of the programmers and animators/artists here. They would like to do something different.
Anyway, Team17 should try and spread their wings, and make a totally different game - as different and unusual as Worms was when it first came out.
And what do you mean about making a new genre? Worms IS a new genre, it has a unique genre of its own. It is the most original concept there is!! I can simply not believe what I am hearing. Why no worms 5?
Because we appreciate what might be best for Team17 and the worms series. Worms isn't a new genre - it's been around for 11 years (I think). Soon, it's going to be older than some of the forum members posting here. In fact, I think it's older than some of the existing members (not many though).

BuffaloKid
31 Oct 2005, 14:00
The only way to improve it is to wait for a significant step up in computer hardware and power, so as the game can be transformed and take advantage of better systems.
I don't think so. Hardware and power isn't everything. There are multiple already possible things they could do. However, like you said, they should take a break from them. They've made one worms game a year for the past 3 years.

Cyclaws
31 Oct 2005, 14:00
Worms is the best game in the world!
Exactly how many games have you played? I like Worms a lot, but I wouldn't give it that title.

Pieboy337
31 Oct 2005, 14:25
worms is my favorite game, but i dont want anymore worms games out, at least not for a few more years. i want to see another alien breed game, or somthing completly new :)

Nugget
31 Oct 2005, 15:59
For me it would be goodif they did something else. Something original, new, ... maybe something futuristic, but no aliens! Maybe like Futurama...
And I think a new Worms Forts would be great. Since I wasn't too happy with the last one, it could work out with a WFUS II.

Pieboy337
31 Oct 2005, 16:24
if there was another worms game then i would want it to be like worms forts because that was slightly different from the other worms games. mabye some new way of playing worms. or perhaps they could make its more stratigic and yet more manic. that would be fun.

Rabble
1 Nov 2005, 03:51
And all good things must come to an end :)
Surely, you'd rather Team17 finish the worms series on a high note (like, say, W4), than on a low note, with, say, "Worms25 : Oh no, Not another Worms game"
Just like mario party... Damn. Mario likes to party alot.

Julian
1 Nov 2005, 07:28
Cant someone make a poll?
The ultimate 2d game or another 3d?

colt blood
1 Nov 2005, 08:09
they shut make the next a 2d with the posiblilties of worms 4 put hats etc on worms makes the editor easyer and fortress diferent then those of before to many towers

Plasma
1 Nov 2005, 12:17
The DS and PSP worms were 2D because people wanted them to be.
And I double the Worms Forts 2 idea.

Rabble
1 Nov 2005, 16:35
What could you do with forts 2? Add a few weapons? Differnt maps and more customization? More forts? Its the same thing. More of an expsansion pack to me.

Pieboy337
1 Nov 2005, 16:45
thats what most of the worms games are anyway, so why not?

pilot62
1 Nov 2005, 18:13
Personaly, I hope they stay away from worms for a while, but if they ever do make a new one, it needs to be completely reworked.

AndrewTaylor
1 Nov 2005, 19:20
What could you do with forts 2? Add a few weapons? Differnt maps and more customization? More forts? Its the same thing. More of an expsansion pack to me.
You could have said the same thing about Worms 4. There are lots of things you could do with Forts -- firstly by adding destructable sections of terrain, such as the large pyramid or the temple thing in the... Necropolis, was it?, or by adding buildings with new and innovotave functions, perhaps even including a building that did nothing at all. Or a super-weapon that required two worms to use, to make picking off the enemy worms a more viable option. You can't say a sequel is a bad idea just because you lack the imagination to develop the idea.

WeXzuZ
1 Nov 2005, 19:23
Worms 5 isn't coming the next years I think. That could be because they have just made W3D, WF:US and W4 in the passed years. It gets boring very fast if they keep on making worms games... A new WF would be okay, but then they should REALLY take a rest with worms. They should, as thomasp says, make a whole new game, maybe with a new genre they've never made, who knows? It could get more popular than worms? Whatever.
In short for those who dont bother read the whole post through:
They should not make a new Worms the next 2 years or so

Kelster23
2 Nov 2005, 00:37
For me it would be goodif they did something else. Something original, new, ... maybe something futuristic, but no aliens! Maybe like Futurama...
And I think a new Worms Forts would be great. Since I wasn't too happy with the last one, it could work out with a WFUS ||.
Maybe they should combine worms 4 and worms forts (THAT WOULD BE VERY STRANGE...sounds like team 17)
I mean, like, BASEBALL HAT WITH HORNS!!!!! a cross between future and past... still sounds like team 17

Wiglworm
2 Nov 2005, 01:18
Semi-offtopic: ummm...
i think Team17 should take a chance with a rpg...
but thats just me. :rolleyes:

shadow900
2 Nov 2005, 02:16
Semi-offtopic: ummm...
i think Team17 should take a chance with a rpg...
but thats just me. :rolleyes:
Nah, Team17 isn't really the Rpg type of people. Then again, Worms is Turn Based, but I dunno Team17 seem to like guns and stuff like that but Rpgs are mostly like fantasy and magic and stuff like that.

WormOfFire
2 Nov 2005, 09:52
I think next worms game should be a 2d game.
Someone with me?

AndrewTaylor
2 Nov 2005, 12:29
Nah, Team17 isn't really the Rpg type of people. Then again, Worms is Turn Based, but I dunno Team17 seem to like guns and stuff like that but Rpgs are mostly like fantasy and magic and stuff like that.
Worms has guns, as did Alien Breed, but Arcade Pool II didn't, and nor did Stunt GP. I'm guessing Lemmings won't, and Superfrog was armed only with a blob of green goo. I think, really, the guns are there because Worms would be pretty boring if youdidn't have any weapons.

Plasma
2 Nov 2005, 12:34
I think next worms game should be a 2d game.
Someone with me?
The next worms game will be 2D.
Except it won't be for PC.

Spadge
2 Nov 2005, 15:43
Whilst there is some background prototyping for worms related games, Worms 5 isn't currently in production or design - we're taking a well earned break from the series (PSP & DS versions aside).
The game may also make an appearance on other platforms, but generally we'll be involved with other games/IP for a little while. We may return to the core Worms IP at some point in the future, so enjoy W4:Mayhem (or your favourite 2d incarnation for now!).

Hot Gravy
2 Nov 2005, 19:49
I don't think so. Hardware and power isn't everything. There are multiple already possible things they could do. However, like you said, they should take a break from them. They've made one worms game a year for the past 3 years.
I still want them to go on.... why do you want them to stop, Poppleclone? (I thought I should call you that since you're not buffaloclone anymore)

Gardy Looo
3 Nov 2005, 13:47
Worms can be delayed, but not cancelled. Worms is probably the best game Team 17 made. They will (and must) make a new one but they must rest too.

thomasp
3 Nov 2005, 14:01
Worms can be delayed, but not cancelled. Worms is probably the best game Team 17 made. They will (and must) make a new one but they must rest too.
To be honest, I'd rather see Team17 finish now, on a relative high with W4 (and probably quite a big high with the portable worms), rather than wait a little while, do Worms5, try to top everything and fail abismally.

Pieboy337
3 Nov 2005, 14:14
i agree, i think worms 4 should be the final worms game (along with the portable ones) and that perhaps they should try somthing new, or a sequal to the older games they made...ALIEN BREED! SUPER FROG!....ahem....

AndrewTaylor
3 Nov 2005, 18:54
Idunno, in a few years when there's a new batch of consoles and technology has improved it might well be worth making a new Worms game. Not yet, though. There's not enough you could add to it at the moment.

iamgood
18 Nov 2005, 16:05
Worms Boring Game And Not Best Game in The World !! ... Team 17 Dont Make Mods For Worms Put new Thinks I boring from that game i finish it 100%100 :mad:
What?
Hate10characterlimit

PYROworm
18 Nov 2005, 23:43
That's what.
I haven't been here for a long time... Sigh. My Local game and electronics stores still don't seem to have the game for the PC, and EB Still hasn't called me up (Usually they are good at that).
I think improvements to Worms could make the game a bit more fast paced. My friends seem to think the game, although fun, is rather slow. Graphically, it could use a few more cool effects - Like a cartoonistic specular shine on some of the weapons, and models that are a bit more wing-nuttish, so to speak - You know, a bit more wild, unique looking, like the 2D "Random Objects" from earlier worms games. And the humour isn't quite obvious enough either, the partially serious sounding music in the background doesn't quite fit, and also feels a little slow. A return to both 2D AND 3D Modes would be cool (Or 2D, but with 3D Graphics - Nintendo still makes fun little Mario Sidescroller games with 3D models. Insert "Yay" here...) - One thing that would be especially cool, would be Physics Processing Unit support. Wowzers. Think of the special effects. I'd love to see a game like Burnout on a PPU... Hehehehehehehehehe.... Getting mad thoughts...
I think the game also needs more of that "Bounce" we've all come to love. As a traditional 2D Animator (Yes, I know, nag me for not going 3D and still making judgements like this), I like to have alot of life in my characters. You know - General body language that what might call "Embelished", or "Wacky". On AWN.com, there is an ongoing argument on the forums about animation styles, and of course, Animator "Mike Judge" of King of the Hill and Beavis and Butthead becomes an involved target in the subject. The thing is - King of the Hill (Not sure if you Brits really watch that show, I myself find it really annoying...) is trying to recreate your typical afternoon soap, which appears rather lifeless and boring when integrated into a 2D Format. Now, I know Worms is in 3D now, but I'd love to see it still perhaps a bit more like the concept art, really wacky. Because I always remember worms as being rather cartoony.
That's all just my opinion though. Perhaps you guys don't want to spend several years on a game like other not-so-gigantic companies (Bethesda Softworks, etcetera)...
-MDH/PyroWorm

ocelot
21 Nov 2005, 09:15
If they ever where to make Worms 5(most likely not,unfortunately) i think they(this may not be possible with all the other effects in the way unfortunately again)should add gravity i hate to say that i,m sick and tired with those stupid megabig chunks of earth just hanging there in the middle of nothing.Who would think it was cool by for example you shot the support of the crane in re-submission that it would come crashing down to earth?

MrBunsy
21 Nov 2005, 17:16
If they ever where to make Worms 5(most likely not,unfortunately) i think they(this may not be possible with all the other effects in the way unfortunately again)should add gravity i hate to say that i,m sick and tired with those stupid megabig chunks of earth just hanging there in the middle of nothing.Who would think it was cool by for example you shot the support of the crane in re-submission that it would come crashing down to earth?
That's the point of worms!!!! You take away the floating land and you don't have worms anymore.
It was like that in 2D becuase (I always thought anyway) it was a slice through of a 3D world (as deadcode mentioned, like an ant farm), and it added a whole HUGE section of tactics and gameplay becuase of it. If you were to get rid of it you would end up with a game even less worms like that Forts, in my opinion.

ADG
21 Nov 2005, 17:30
Worms 5? When do Team17 learn about that thing called eXpansion Packs? I'm tired of seeing a new Worms each year, when they could just have released an XP to do the same. Are there any mayor differences between Worms 3 and 4 that they couldn't have done with an XP? Not from what I know!
Talking about RPGs, how about making an RPG game with Worms characters :rolleyes:

thomasp
21 Nov 2005, 18:24
Worms 5? When do Team17 learn about that thing called eXpansion Packs? I'm tired of seeing a new Worms each year, when they could just have released an XP to do the same. Are there any mayor differences between Worms 3 and 4 that they couldn't have done with an XP? Not from what I know!
Talking about RPGs, how about making an RPG game with Worms characters :rolleyes:
If you read this thread, you would have noticed that Worms 5 has been all but written off by Spadge (in the short term, at least)
From what I've read, Worms 3D to Worms4 was a pretty big step, as the way the maps were drawn has been completely re-written.

The14th
30 Nov 2005, 06:44
Why is everybody already talking about the next worms when 4 JUST came out? Can't we just savor this one for a while before we worry about whether 5 comes and what it might be like?
And Devil 108, learn to speak freakin english, I can't understand what the hell you said.

Krazy_92
2 Dec 2005, 06:08
And Devil 108, learn to speak freakin english, I can't understand what the hell you said.
If i understood correctly...
i think he said he want new mods on t17 forums :confused:
but that will not happen, thomasp and AT do a great work, sel isnt going to change them ;)

thomasp
2 Dec 2005, 08:36
If i understood correctly...
i think he said he want new mods on t17 forums :confused:
but that will not happen, thomasp and AT do a great work, sel isnt going to change them ;)
Err, no. He's talking about mods for the game - expansions/downloadable content.
For example, new weapons, maps, etc, etc, etc.

Krazy_92
3 Dec 2005, 00:08
Err, no. He's talking about mods for the game - expansions/downloadable content.
For example, new weapons, maps, etc, etc, etc.
ah...
but still you do a great work :rolleyes:
And devil, if team 17 make that it will cause a messy wormnet
Like w3d: Alot of people didnt have the last patch, and it was a problem :p
For example:
If you have an extra map or something extra and you host a game, and someone which doesnt have that "Expansion" will cause a desincronization and problems.
My point:
Team17 wont release expansions because it will make a messy online play, and even if you arent going to play online and even if you arent going to play online, Team17 will not expend time & Effort making an expansion if the game is already O.K. ;)

Genexi2
3 Dec 2005, 06:06
I don't think so. Hardware and power isn't everything.
You need alot of power if you want to make some real nice use of poxels though, and some serious hardware to render it, a 3d Worms game would be kickass if your explosions made nice, clean, circular holes into whatever it is you blew up, rather then chunky (imo) cubic blocks & tri's.
A 3d Worms game has to the potential to be great, but a few of the things required for it to be great (imo) would require alot of power to back it up with.
(Worms4 was a nice attempt to improve on the 3d Worms formula, but it had it's own share of technical problems)
The day a 3d Worms game with perfect camera controls, huge indoor caverns that are fully destructable, with unlimited viewing distance, with water that looks like a real fluid gradually climbing its way up the map each round, with perfect roping controls, and return some of the "flavour" that was lost in the transition to 3d......is the day I die a happy man.

XtremeCJ
4 Dec 2005, 11:25
lol imagine Worms in Doom3 engine xDDD
A cellshader would be nice though :rolleyes:
You're right, there were many new Worms titles in the last few years...[I think they shouldn't bring Worms 3D out cuz it's too buggy and there weren't much features...but I like the theme song ^^]. Anyway:
A break would be good, cuz it's getting too much. I would suggest making a few little mods or AddOns for W4, like new soundbanches or new landscapes...well, a few little specialities. But pls don't stop working on Worms completely...put two or three ppl together and let them do some nice fixes or additional features. If Team17 completely stops working on Worms, it will be forgotten soon...[except of a few fanatics like you and me ;)].
It would be really boring if there wasn't at least a little news to something new Worms related...what about at least giving the gamers the chance to do something new on their own? [like sound shemes or new clothes or sth]

Steve14
11 Dec 2005, 11:12
Maybe, they are making a new Stunt GP ... :-/ I like the game very much. But I can't get the fullversion. :(
A pack with Stunt GP and Stunt GP 2 would be very nice. :D
I like the game so much, because It have some of the DOS-Classic Micro Machines ... ;)

eatmyworms
6 Jan 2006, 18:34
*BUMP*
Whoever said Worms had to be a game? If/when Team17 does stop making Worms games, they should make a TV show or a Worms movie to keep us occupied for a few years. Currently, a friend and I are in the early stages of making an animated Worms movie.

MrBunsy
6 Jan 2006, 19:29
Worms....television...show...
Can't see it working to be honest. Worms is a game about blasting the heck out of a worm with stupid weapons.. I can't see anything for telly from that. A short movie could be humorous, but I can't see it being a hit on television. T17 are a games developer after all.
But, others may think differently. If poeple can watch Friends, mabye they can watch Worms.

Fizz
6 Jan 2006, 19:31
Hello everyone,
Team 17 has been doing a great job so far (at least in my opinion) in making fun games. So why should we worry now...just relax and wait for them to release something new.

wormy99
6 Jan 2006, 20:20
mabye a comic, we've seen forum comic work quite well here, who says they won't work elsewhere?

Xinos
11 Jan 2006, 21:01
Hello everyone,
Team 17 has been doing a great job so far (at least in my opinion) in making fun games. So why should we worry now...just relax and wait for them to release something new.
Of course. I on the other hand would be worried if they where making another worms game.

Drunk-worm
12 Jan 2006, 02:09
Worms....television...show...
Can't see it working to be honest. Worms is a game about blasting the heck out of a worm with stupid weapons.. I can't see anything for telly from that. A short movie could be humorous, but I can't see it being a hit on television. T17 are a games developer after all.
But, others may think differently. If poeple can watch Friends, mabye they can watch Worms.
But you can't play friends now can you?

MrBunsy
13 Jan 2006, 20:58
But you can't play friends now can you?
God grief I hope not.

quakerworm
14 Jan 2006, 10:59
From what I've read, Worms 3D to Worms4 was a pretty big step, as the way the maps were drawn has been completely re-written.
they might have re-written the mesh generation code to be more efficient and/or generate smoother meshes, but it is exactly the same map format, so if you forget about the height map, w3d engine can run w4 maps perfectly. the height maps, of course, are important, but it is still something that i would consider more of an expansion pack type of thing than a whole new game version.
i think, the main reason that w4 was a stand alone is to make sure that they can release it for consoles.

MrBunsy
14 Jan 2006, 17:05
they might have re-written the mesh generation code to be more efficient and/or generate smoother meshes, but it is exactly the same map format, so if you forget about the height map, w3d engine can run w4 maps perfectly. the height maps, of course, are important, but it is still something that i would consider more of an expansion pack type of thing than a whole new game version.
i think, the main reason that w4 was a stand alone is to make sure that they can release it for consoles.
You forgot the animation system, I think that was completely re-written.

Machetazo
28 Jan 2006, 14:35
Personally I don't think it will for much longer, I feel it's losins its touch. I bought W3D, it was ok, I played the W4 demo, it was ok. Nothing in these 3d games shouts out to me to want me to buy them. I mean Worms Armageddon just has the fun factor whereas the new games don't. IMO.
I also played the W4:Mayhem demo, and found it underwhelming (and it suggested that 4 was going to equal more of the same as 3D.) However, on buying the full game, and giving it a go, I've found that many aspects of the control and gameplay have been tweaked (and imo, improved) so that the game plays far better, and is more fun. :D I'd recommend you to give Worms 4 a chance before dismissing it.

quakerworm
29 Jan 2006, 20:18
You forgot the animation system, I think that was completely re-written.
fair enough, but that still does not make the game different enough to deserve the version number to be bumped up from 3 to 4.

iamgood
31 Jan 2006, 14:21
fair enough, but that still does not make the game different enough to deserve the version number to be bumped up from 3 to 4.
Maybe W3D: 2
:o

AndrewTaylor
31 Jan 2006, 14:59
they might have re-written the mesh generation code to be more efficient and/or generate smoother meshes, but it is exactly the same map format, so if you forget about the height map, w3d engine can run w4 maps perfectly. the height maps, of course, are important, but it is still something that i would consider more of an expansion pack type of thing than a whole new game version.
Frankly I think W3D->W4 is a huge leap compared to most sequels. Fifa '94->Fifa '95, for example, Bomberman 3->Bomberman 4, and so on. There are new features, new weapons, new play styles, and so forth. To be honest, I'm not sure what else you want from it. That might have been "expansion pack material" in 1995, but it's not 1995 anymore and these days games are so large and complex that expansion packs are often no cheaper or easier to make than the original game, so slashing your market by excluding anyone who doesn't have the original is lunatic. And no-one bar no-one at all is going to buy "Worms 3.2". Far better to just call it "Worms 4".

iamgood
31 Jan 2006, 18:45
Frankly I think W3D->W4 is a huge leap compared to most sequels. Fifa '94->Fifa '95, for example, Bomberman 3->Bomberman 4, and so on. There are new features, new weapons, new play styles, and so forth. To be honest, I'm not sure what else you want from it. That might have been "expansion pack material" in 1995, but it's not 1995 anymore and these days games are so large and complex that expansion packs are often no cheaper or easier to make than the original game, so slashing your market by excluding anyone who doesn't have the original is lunatic. And no-one bar no-one at all is going to buy "Worms 3.2". Far better to just call it "Worms 4".
Or maybe some "in the middle" title witout a number, just like with Worms Armageddon

Metal Gear
1 Feb 2006, 13:33
hopefully after your break you guys will make something that will blow our minds.

augustino
5 May 2006, 16:43
Well, then u r strange. The 3D games are amazing, i dont understand why so many people are so fussy about sticking to the 2d games.
Double post merge
WHAT?! But...Worms is the best game in the world! Why would they want to make some other lame, boring game when they could be making more worms games!
And what do you mean about making a new genre? Worms IS a new genre, it has a unique genre of its own. It is the most original concept there is!! I can simply not believe what I am hearing. Why no worms 5?
Really! We love Worms. We love their me-me language. We love their weapons. We love their songs. We love prof Worminkle, Boggy B., Clagnut, Spadge and the other Worms. We love to be Worms who speak in their me-me language, use Banana Bombs, Super Sheeps, Sentry Guns, sing the Wormsong and dream about looking like a Worm...
Please make a new Worms game!!!
WORMZ FOREVER!!!...at least I hope so...:confused:

quartzlcc
17 May 2006, 07:38
*Finally got done reading this ENTIRE topic*
Worms 5... That would be an awesome idea.
If they make that, we would HOPE that it would be on the Wii, so you could aim with the controller. Bwuhaha! Worms 4, haven't even played the demo, I'm waiting for it to be released for Mac, or for Mac OS X 10.5 to be released (It will be able to play the Windows-format stuff)... ._.
Well, I guess they're giving it a break for now.
They should make Worms 5 on Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Nintendo Wii, with the graphics like the teaser trailer for Worms: Open Warfare. That would be AWESOME!

Team Buddy
2 Jun 2006, 06:37
Frankly I think W3D->W4 is a huge leap compared to most sequels. Fifa '94->Fifa '95, for example, Bomberman 3->Bomberman 4, and so on. There are new features, new weapons, new play styles, and so forth. To be honest, I'm not sure what else you want from it.
I want something that has never been done in another worm game. In addition to that I would like more powerful weapons. Weapons like the banana bomb and the holy hand grenade, which could destroy an entire team and half the level in the 2D worms, hardly have an impact in the 3D worms at all.

Reaperz
2 Jun 2006, 10:06
I dunno, but never having played worms 3d, worms4 is disappointing.
It just seems to lack something from the 2d games.
The scale of destruction for instance.
In the 2d versions, it ripped a huge chunk from the landscape.
In worms4 it creates a small-to-medium sized crator.
I don't really know what I was expecting, but whatever it was, it wasn't lived up to.
...
I agree with Team Buddy. The 3d games seem like a step backwords in the gameplay sense.
The control system also needs to be changed.. It just takes too long to get used to.

kikumbob
2 Jun 2006, 18:17
I want something that has never been done in another worm game. In addition to that I would like more powerful weapons. Weapons like the banana bomb and the holy hand grenade, which could destroy an entire team and half the level in the 2D worms, hardly have an impact in the 3D worms at all.Oh dear. TheEnd.
I think the worms concept is flexible enough to offer limitless possibilities to the developer. They just have to be discovered. I'm sure theres one or two more things they can do to the 2D series to make it better and original. The only problem is finding them.

Lex
3 Jun 2006, 07:29
Oh dear. TheEnd.
I think the worms concept is flexible enough to offer limitless possibilities to the developer. They just have to be discovered. I'm sure theres one or two more things they can do to the 2D series to make it better and original. The only problem is finding them.Finding them is not really a problem (http://www.nanacide.com/worms-unlimited/).

kikumbob
3 Jun 2006, 11:10
Thats alot like whatshisname's Worms Future website thing. I've forgotten the name to everything:-/

bonz
3 Jun 2006, 16:24
Thats alot like whatshisname's Worms Future website thing. I've forgotten the name to everything:-/
Do you mean Run (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=4196) and "Wormtech (http://web.archive.org/web/20050319142109/www.wormiverse.com/wormtech/)"?
Still the same, only updated & the name changed.

pilot62
3 Jun 2006, 23:00
Do you mean Run (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=4196) and "Wormtech (http://web.archive.org/web/20050319142109/www.wormiverse.com/wormtech/)"?
Still the same, only updated & the name changed.
Wow, I assumed that went down with wormiverse.

bonz
4 Jun 2006, 00:46
Wow, I assumed that went down with wormiverse.
It did.
I just opened a magic window that let's you see to the past.

kikumbob
4 Jun 2006, 11:42
Do you mean Run (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=4196) and "Wormtech (http://web.archive.org/web/20050319142109/www.wormiverse.com/wormtech/)"?
Still the same, only updated & the name changed. I do thanks:o

[UFP]Ghost
6 Jun 2006, 04:01
havn't read the rest of the topic (sorry if someone said this) but why not take a stab, (no offence) i personally didn't like worms 3d, 4, or forts. I like the originals: 1, 2, wa and wwp. so although i think u should continue worms.
when u do, u should make a worms rpg or something as i just don't see worms being that good of a 3d game. unless of course u make a new 2d. but thst not likely as 2d games arn't in demand. 3d are. so why not take a stab at a worm rpg. like final fantasy 7 (i love that game) or super mario rpg (but more like ff7).

Fizz
6 Jun 2006, 20:23
Hey [UFP]Ghost and others,
I personally can't see a worms rpg. What would it look like and what would be the point of it? What I mean to say is that Worms doesn't suit to be a rpg (in my opinion of course).

SupSuper
6 Jun 2006, 22:10
People just like mixing their favorite games without actually thinking about how'd that be possible.

MC_Joe
6 Jun 2006, 23:06
Well, personally I feel they should focus more & more on the Worms 3-D genre but still keep all the funny weapons that we are used to. Perhaps more single player missions in the style of an action game (a la Duke Nukem) would be something fresh & innovative.

quartzlcc
9 Jun 2006, 17:55
Worms can be delayed, but not cancelled. Worms is probably the best game Team 17 made. They will (and must) make a new one but they must rest too.
I couldn't agree more.
And it'd be just plain foolish to cancel it, I don't see why they would, so no worries, peoples.

Sugar Town
19 Jun 2006, 06:46
My God,
I've finally just got through all the comments and can't believe what I was reading at times. Ok, so the official word from Team17 is they are holidaying from Worms but the comments pertaining to letting the family of worms go is ludicrous.
True the worms 2d platform which I encountered from the start was addictive and fun and innovative..it progressed as we should hope that it did into an addictive game with exceptional humour at its heart...an annoying and irritating camera but nevertheless an exceptional game. 3d and Mayhem are the most played on the Xbox by all members of the family.
Now to say they have done all they can with it is....well a little unimaginative. Themed mission, active real time play, missions within the game play could be further explored. You could apply the format to well established games. Imagine a foundation for a gameplan around the stratergy of Risk but oh so tongue in cheek, worms chess, worms spy v's spy, gameplay involving tunneling, full army models, intergalactic mission, star wars parodies etc etc etc etc....I think you get the PICTURE!
You could focus on improving aspects of the fine tuning of aspects of the game whilst expanding its theme..Hell i am tired of imaganing it c'mon Team17 lets do it.
Nigel:rolleyes:

Hot Gravy
20 Jun 2006, 19:59
Hey! How about a new 2D game, and just like making custom graves, make custom hats and other features! Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Plasma
20 Jun 2006, 21:58
Hey! How about a new 2D game, and just like making custom graves, make custom hats and other features! Anyone else think this is a good idea?
Well, yes.
However, a developer is very unlikely to choose to have a 2D worms game on PC.

quartzlcc
23 Jun 2006, 02:01
That's the problem. Any 2D game these days, is just unimpressive, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY'RE DAMNED GOOD. Except on DS and PSP.
Plenty of new ideas can be made up, yes.

Metroid2k5
27 Jun 2006, 06:43
Nah, Team17 isn't really the Rpg type of people. Then again, Worms is Turn Based, but I dunno Team17 seem to like guns and stuff like that but Rpgs are mostly like fantasy and magic and stuff like that.
Well, they could make an Earthbound Eseuqe kind of a game, if you know what i'm saying. It seems right up their alley, the Earthbound series. Weird and fun.

SpartnWorm
27 Jun 2006, 14:58
Why do everyone want a new 2D? Well, they were good, really. I don't mean their bad or boring. It's just that there are much more possibilities in 3D. In the old 2D games it's much more easy to get into sticky situations. In 3D that doesn't happen so often. And there are more needs of being stradegic in 3D.
The 2Ds were good, but the 3Ds are better. I think they should hold to 3D.
Anyway I hope for a more advanced weapon-factory. All weapons nearly is the same in mayhem.

WormOfFire
27 Jun 2006, 19:52
And there are more needs of being stradegic in 3D.
Er....no.
I don't think so.

wrv451nlp
28 Jun 2006, 05:13
Why not combined worms 4 and forts and like you can go island or fort modes maybe even more weapons like will have worms 4 and forts weapons like the hippo and you can change the style like past from forts and present from 4 so you can play forts and island maps and all that stuff maybe two story mode forts and and island death match of course with two of them like two games in one but you can use fort weapons in island map and worms 4 weapons in fort maps and like that will be the last worms game for a for a long time and could be called worms 5 forts

Paul.Power
28 Jun 2006, 23:17
Hey! How about a new 2D game, and just like making custom graves, make custom hats and other features! Anyone else think this is a good idea?Trouble with that is, the 2D worms are a bit small for it really. Once you'd put all the features on, you wouldn't have much room left for the worm.
Although I suppose you could implement a zoom system in a new 2D Worms game, a la W:OW.

sc7es
2 Jul 2006, 20:22
I think next worms game should be a 2d game.
Someone with me?
Yep, Worms 2D rulezz

Metal Alex
2 Jul 2006, 21:28
Trouble with that is, the 2D worms are a bit small for it really. Once you'd put all the features on, you wouldn't have much room left for the worm.
Although I suppose you could implement a zoom system in a new 2D Worms game, a la W:OW.
have you played the new mario bros?
well, the enviroment is in 2D, but the mario, the enemies, etc... are in 3D... now,do that in those little worms... you can zoom without problems (just watch out the terrain pixels. anti-aliasing could help a lot), you can dress them easily, and the customization of the weapons is also possible with the 3D's... also, having only 2D's, the weapons can be better customized... clusters should be like before, and other things (FIRE! PLEASE!) can be added (changing how much it bounces, placing it like dinamite, or even some kind of melee attack editor...)
I hope it could be done like this... but we all know it will take quite a lot of time...

DodgeFreak
5 Jul 2006, 18:40
ok team17, seriously the sooner u guys make a game like worms armageddon, the sooner ur gona make money and i dont mean make a quick WOW i mean a worms armageddon style type of games filled with weaps missions and most improtantly Online play with ranks and im telling u thats the seller. not 20 missions 20 weaps and thats it. ranks = cash. trust me. if you were to release a game like that the response would be very good. ranks and 2d, cant be beaten. take this all in and make it happen. its what we all want and forget 3d worms ownz the 2d. I love the new WOW worms and graphix but it needs the same movements and jumping and landing as WA not jumping and sliding down like in WOW, online is the way forward.

Plasma
5 Jul 2006, 22:08
ok team17, seriously the sooner u guys make a game like worms armageddon, the sooner ur gona make money and i dont mean make a quick WOW i mean a worms armageddon style type of games
They did make a game like worms armageddon, they named it Worms Armageddon.

maveristef
6 Jul 2006, 13:50
have you played the new mario bros?
well, the enviroment is in 2D, but the mario, the enemies, etc... are in 3D... now,do that in those little worms... you can zoom without problems (just watch out the terrain pixels. anti-aliasing could help a lot), you can dress them easily, and the customization of the weapons is also possible with the 3D's... also, having only 2D's, the weapons can be better customized... clusters should be like before, and other things (FIRE! PLEASE!) can be added (changing how much it bounces, placing it like dinamite, or even some kind of melee attack editor...)
I hope it could be done like this... but we all know it will take quite a lot of time...
I believe that it would be a great Idea, to have a two dimentional environment, and the worms themselves are three dimentional. I have considered this idea myself when I saw the new Mario game. It would be a lot better since you could customize your worms, and would be even better if you could customize all your worms so that they all look different. two dimensional worms are cute, yes, but they just don't compare with threee dimensional worms. Also, By customization I don't just mean the plain old gloves, hats and mustaches, But also different colour skins for worms and more acsessories.

DodgeFreak
6 Jul 2006, 21:01
They did make a game like worms armageddon, they named it Worms Armageddon.
i meant a new one called Worms Apocalypse! MAUHauhaUAUH!!

mastacjk
5 Aug 2006, 18:22
I think they should try to make another 3d game, but attempt to bring back alot of the old weapons from armageddon and such.

.BoggyB..
5 Aug 2006, 18:29
Yea they should make it like the New Super Mario Bros. Think about it with all the weapons from every single game.

kikumbob
5 Aug 2006, 22:07
That has generally been the case with the 2D and even some of the 3D worms games. Only a few of the assumedly now pointless weapons were dropped for the new worms games. Its not like mario smash brothers where alot of the weapons are dropped.
I completely guessed with the mario smash brothers. Ive only played the first version.

.BoggyB..
5 Aug 2006, 22:17
I miss the piontless over kill weapons. : (

kikumbob
9 Aug 2006, 11:51
What? There werent any. thats not what i meant >_< ¬_¬ etc.

Paul.Power
13 Aug 2006, 12:32
I miss the piontless over kill weapons. : (Then go play the games that contain them. It's not like they've fallen into a black hole, after all.

mastacjk
13 Aug 2006, 21:10
I just don't think the next game should be a 2-d game. 2-d games released today might be kind of undderated in the eyes of the critics. They need to get a 3-d formula that works.

Plasma
23 Aug 2006, 14:33
I just don't think the next game should be a 2-d game. 2-d games released today might be kind of undderated in the eyes of the critics. They need to get a 3-d formula that works.
The problem is that it's a very hard thing to do, to get that 3D fun formula.
And why did I just get a sudden thought of having force fields in the game?

bonz
23 Aug 2006, 15:46
And why did I just get a sudden thought of having force fields in the game?
Because you had just turned on your mag deflector and auto defense?

Zero86
9 Jan 2007, 09:58
T17 is going the right way
some cool game they made aside from worms
Project X
Alien Breed
Stunt GP (very fun)
Lemmings PSP/PS2
maybe an RPG could work out
or why not do something that no one has ever tryed

Basti@n
9 Jan 2007, 21:11
I would be like Worms 4 + Worms forts, like Worms 4 with all his weapons and weapon factory and that function for dressing the worms, and the construction of buildings like on Worms Forts... And some of the weapons of worms forts... Maybe can be named Worms 5: Arsenal (refering to all the weapons that haves)...

ohms
13 Jan 2007, 08:46
i personally didn't like worms 3d, 4, or forts. I like the originals: 1, 2, wa and wwp. so although i think u should continue worms.
hear hear! I though that a new PC 2D worms game like the XBLA one would have come out, I need a nice new 2D worms game. wwp just doesnt cut it online now, we never manage to finish a match anymore.

_Kilburn
14 Jan 2007, 10:22
Maybe can be named Worms 5: Arsenal (refering to all the weapons that haves)...
Just add 1 word... :) http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/418/box1hd1.png

GrimOswald
14 Jan 2007, 11:58
Just add 1 word... :) http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/418/box1hd1.png
Haha, your pic came to my mind when he said that too. :)

KRD
14 Jan 2007, 16:07
And call its online lobby ArseNet. Fitting!

_Kilburn
14 Jan 2007, 16:40
And call its online lobby ArseNet. Fitting!
Erm... Why ? :p

quakerworm
14 Jan 2007, 18:42
because of the way that people behave in the lobby.

worms360x
23 Feb 2007, 20:57
yes and make it more future style simmilar like with lazer guns and a bit similar weapons like halo

Squirminator2k
23 Feb 2007, 22:49
Yes, because that went so well for Bomberman: Act Zero.

Fleisch
3 Mar 2007, 08:57
a worms mmorpg! you take part in the great worms war you always hear about. The PvP stuff is all done in traditional worms style with a map and a team. It'd work.....honest!

AndrewTaylor
3 Mar 2007, 10:37
I think introducing an explicit plot for Worms would be a mistake on a par with giving Donkey Kong a gun or introducing a race of boxing kangaroos as enemies in Lemmings.

Melon
3 Mar 2007, 12:29
Donkey Kong had a gun in Donkey Kong 64. That game wasn't bad at all. And Lemmings 3 had a purple potato as an enemy, and it wasn't bad either.

AndrewTaylor
3 Mar 2007, 13:04
Donkey Kong had a gun in Donkey Kong 64. That game wasn't bad at all.
Yes, it was. It was too big and too crowded, and each level had roughly a thousand items scattered through it that you had to collect with the right character or it didn't count. It wasn't perhaps awful in and of itself, but it was shockingly poor compared to the SNES versions.
And Lemmings 3 had a purple potato as an enemy, and it wasn't bad either.
I've not played Lemmings 3, but I have played Lemmings Revolution, which featured a race of kangaroos in boxing gloves that killed Lemmings for no given reason, and a race of weasels that imprisoned the Lemmings. That was also a bad game. Mostly on account that it was full of bugs and some levels were actually not possible to complete until you got the patch.

Melon
3 Mar 2007, 13:24
I liked Donkey Kong 64. Ah well. It's true that it doesn't compare to the SNES verions though, but it never will. I think most old platform games cannot pass on from 2D to 3D very well at all. I never got far enough in Lemmings Revolutions to see the boxing Kangaroos. I just didn't like the game. Which is strange considering I'm such a big Lemmings fanboy and still own all of the original lemmings games, which I still play due to DosBox.
P.S. These are the potato beasts I was talking about.
http://www.kieranmillar.com/l3cd_000.png http://www.kieranmillar.com/l3cd_001.png
Rather peculiarly, it also has vultures with top hats and female 'Femme Fatale' lemming mimics that the lemmings follow around until they kill themselves. Seriously.

AndrewTaylor
3 Mar 2007, 13:39
Oh, yes. That was never "Lemmings 3" here; it was "The All New World Of Lemmings".
And it had nothing on the original.

SupSuper
3 Mar 2007, 14:36
It had nothing period. At least Lemmings Revolution had a similar gameplay to the original Lemmings. Lemmings 3 was just... heck, I'd say it helped kill off the franchise back then.

Melon
3 Mar 2007, 15:36
By the looks of it, I only like rubbish games.
Although, to be fair, I think it's pretty difficult to try and expand a game like Lemmings. After Lemmings, OhNo More Lemmings, and all the Holiday Lemmings, I should think they'd exhausted all of the normal lemmings gameplay. Maybe they should of tried to do something more like Lemmings 2, but even that was just Lemmings with more tools slapped in (not that it was bad, I love Lemmings 2), and there's only so many different tools you can add in. I still don't see why people didn't like Lemmings 3 that much, it maybe didn't compare to the original, but I don't think it tried to.
I think Revovlutions went about expanding it in the right way, it was just really badly executed and badly done.
Anyways, I think I've driven this offtopic enough. So yeah.....Worms 5......

Paul.Power
3 Mar 2007, 19:50
Walkers, Blockers, Stand-Stillers, Shruggers and Bridge Builders.
What an AWESOME collection of skills :rolleyes:

SupSuper
3 Mar 2007, 22:11
Walkers, Blockers, Stand-Stillers, Shruggers and Bridge Builders.
What an AWESOME collection of skills :rolleyes:Actually it's Walkers, Blockers, Jumpers, Skillers and Droppers. I'll explain :p
Lemmings 3 goes like this: "ZOMG WE ONLY GOT 3 OF OUR TRIBES LEFT AND SOMEHOW GOT OUR SKILLS PACKED IN CRATES! SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL OUR SKILLS HEADS-UP, YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP IN THE CRATES SPREAD THROUGH LEVELS WITH ENEMIES AND ONLY THE LEMMING THAT PICKS IT UP CAN USE THEM!!!11" (thus Skillers uses the picked-up skill and Droppers drops it back onto a crate)
The only good thing really is that you have infinite blockers and can reset them back to walkers without blowing them up, and in tools like Bridge Builder and Digger you can pick a direction.
...yeah, the game sucks.

Paul.Power
3 Mar 2007, 23:06
Actually it's Walkers, Blockers, Jumpers, Skillers and Droppers. I'll explain :p
Lemmings 3 goes like this: "ZOMG WE ONLY GOT 3 OF OUR TRIBES LEFT AND SOMEHOW GOT OUR SKILLS PACKED IN CRATES! SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL OUR SKILLS HEADS-UP, YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP IN THE CRATES SPREAD THROUGH LEVELS WITH ENEMIES AND ONLY THE LEMMING THAT PICKS IT UP CAN USE THEM!!!11" (thus Skillers uses the picked-up skill and Droppers drops it back onto a crate)
The only good thing really is that you have infinite blockers and can reset them back to walkers without blowing them up, and in tools like Bridge Builder and Digger you can pick a direction.
...yeah, the game sucks.
Good grief.

PYROworm
5 Mar 2007, 07:07
I think the next can of worms should have a 2D Mode.
I.E., for those here of whome have played Super Smash Brothers: Melee, it used 3D Graphics with sidescrolling.

AndrewTaylor
5 Mar 2007, 11:02
You can't make a 2D "mode". You make a 2D game.
It's not unlike asking for an FPS "mode" in Mario Brothers.
And nobody is going to make a 2D Worms game with 3D landscapes. It just won't happen. Ever. Because it's a really bad idea when you work it through.

Metal Alex
6 Mar 2007, 15:32
It's not unlike asking for an FPS "mode" in Mario Brothers.
Now, in smash bros, it could be fun...

AndrewTaylor
6 Mar 2007, 16:14
I have no idea what sense that is supposed to make.

SupSuper
6 Mar 2007, 17:11
Now, in smash bros, it could be fun...That's like saying a Sonic game with a gun could be fun...

TehWurm
6 Mar 2007, 17:59
If they did make a Worms 5,probably for PS3,and other high def great consoles.Their is alot of stuff they could put in.
My personal wishlist for W5 would be
-Mini games.
-All Worms don't need to look the same after customization,each worm seperately customized.
-More in depth worms customization.
-Create a map
-More create a weapon options.
-And maybe,big maybe make it have small swear words eg. 'crap'

sc7es
6 Mar 2007, 22:09
My personal wishlist for W5 is:
A WORMS IN 2D !!!

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 00:18
It's not unlike asking for an FPS "mode" in Mario Brothers.
i don't see what would be the difficulty of adding a first person perspective to smb. you'd need to add a bunch of 3d background and foreground objects, so that your fov doesn't look so empty, and you'd probably want to lock the camera so that you can only look ahead or behind. it would be rather wacky, and it would be fairly pointless. but it would be playable.

AndrewTaylor
7 Mar 2007, 00:21
i don't see what would be the difficulty of adding a first person perspective to smb. you'd need to add a bunch of 3d background and foreground objects, so that your fov doesn't look so empty, and you'd probably want to lock the camera so that you can only look ahead or behind. it would be rather wacky, and it would be fairly pointless. but it would be playable.
That's not what an FPS is.

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 12:55
the only requirements for an fps are a first person view and ability to use ranged weapons. both of these are fulfilled by smb set in first person. ability to actually move in 3d is not a requirement for an fps. neither is the emphasis on shooting.

AndrewTaylor
7 Mar 2007, 13:13
I'm almost completely unsure what your point is.
You're arguing that one could, with only a slightly ridiculous amount of effort, add a mode to Mario Brothers that could, under a particularly strict and slightly warped definition constitute a first person shooter mode despite not in fact involving shooting anything at any stage. Right?
But the whole reason I mentioned adding an FPS mode into Mario Brothers was to show how hard it would be to ad a 2D "mode" into a 3D game. Adding a 2D mode that just-about-qualifies under a strict definition, akin to your rather rubbish version of what you think an FPS is being shoehorned into Mario, would, I quite agree, be simplicity itself. Just add one line of code every frame that sets everything's z coodinate to five.
But that would be rubbish. You don't add stuff that shockingly poor to commercial games, because you'll be laughed at.
There's no point even discussing how easy it would be to add rubbish features to a game, because nobody wants to play that game.

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 13:48
i think you are forgetting to separate the dimensionality of rendering from dimensionality of gameplay. smb can still be played as an fps, because gameplay remains 2d. this makes smb->fps a rather poor example of what we are talking about here, and that is my point.
on a related note, it would be interesting to see a game where switching between 2d and 3d is actually a part of the gameplay. i think there is a potential to make something new and fun with something like that.

AndrewTaylor
7 Mar 2007, 13:57
i think you are forgetting to separate the dimensionality of rendering from dimensionality of gameplay.
I think you are forgetting to take your medication.
An FPS is a game where you can move in a 3D environment and shoot at things with a gun. If you strap a camera to Mario's head, what you have there is a needlessly frustrating platform game, not an FPS. Tell you what, let's replace the Mario sprite with a picture of a car, then it can be a racing game as well. And let's call it RTS as well, because it's real-time and you can use strategy to defeat the dastardly goombas.

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 15:49
is such ad hominem really necessary?
there are fps games where you have no control over movement at all, with lots of areas where you just stand still, shooting at attackers. you have no freedom to move in 3d in these games, yet they are classified as fps. so the fact that you could only move in a single plane does not disqualify a game from being an fps. and you do use a ranged weapon in smb, even if its aiming is rather limited.
you also need to keep in mind that genre lines can be blurry. is tomb raider a platformer or a shooter? is gta a shooter or a sim? and i really would like to see you try to place worms into a single genre. so just because you can classify smb as something, doesn't mean it can't be something else.

AndrewTaylor
7 Mar 2007, 16:27
How is it possible that you can't tell an FPS game from a platformer?
Mario is the definitive platformer. It could not be less like an FPS game. It fails on both the FP and the S. You can shove the camera wherever you like (and I have an idea on that one -- how's that for ad sodding hominem?) and it won't suddenly become an FPS. It might, if you really stretch the definition, become something that could conceivably be considered to have characteristics of an FPS, but it still won't be one. If you can only aim in two directions and you kill 90% of the enemies by jumping on their heads and 10% by "shooting" them with a shell -- which you also jump on -- then that is not an FPS game. No sane person would ever call that an FPS, or at least, not an FPS that was any good.
I'm getting really tired of you derailing threads into arguments about utterly irrelevant aspects of analogies -- "one might argue that Mario in first-person is an FPS because sometimes he sends shells flying at enemies!", "but Worms isn't exactly the same as chess!". It seems like an attempt to demonstrate how smart you are more than an attempt to further the discussion (as does using Latin phrases on a videogames forum). No matter how much you argue the point -- even if you prove to be right -- it's still irrelevant. Let it go.
When I write a book I shall make sure the analogies in it are as watertight as possible. When I write a forum post I make sure the analogies in it are alright.

Metal Alex
7 Mar 2007, 16:29
That's like saying a Sonic game with a gun could be fun...
I was thinking in first person VIEW. My fault :p
But with the screen divided, it could be quite... strange.

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 16:38
I'm getting really tired of you derailing threads into arguments about utterly irrelevant aspects of analogies -- "one might argue that Mario in first-person is an FPS because sometimes he sends shells flying at enemies!", "but Worms isn't exactly the same as chess!". It seems like an attempt to demonstrate how smart you are more than an attempt to further the discussion (as does using Latin phrases on a videogames forum). No matter how much you argue the point -- even if you prove to be right -- it's still irrelevant. Let it go.
When I write a book I shall make sure the analogies in it are as watertight as possible. When I write a forum post I make sure the analogies in it are alright.
i would have agreed with all that if you were using analogies as means of demonstrating the point. instead, you use it as a keystone of your argument. if your analogy is flawed, so is your entire argument. if you want to prove a point, make sure that you are using something that is actually proving it. otherwise, it's as good as shouting out your opinions with no arguments, in all caps, and sans punctuation.

AndrewTaylor
7 Mar 2007, 16:49
i would have agreed with all that if you were using analogies as means of demonstrating the point. instead, you use it as a keystone of your argument. if your analogy is flawed, so is your entire argument. if you want to prove a point, make sure that you are using something that is actually proving it. otherwise, it's as good as shouting out your opinions with no arguments, in all caps, and sans punctuation.
No. No-no, I'm not letting you get away with that.
The analogy is sound. The language was slightly ambiguous but colloquial and clear.
I said "FPS" and obviously by that I meant a game where you could aim in 3D with a mouse or a joystick-and-target (or maybe a Wiimote or a lightgun) and shoot things with a gun (or other shooting weapon), and it was clear that I probably meant one where you could move about freely, since ones where you can't are generally called "rail shooters" and are pretty rare.
You took FPS to mean "any game viewed from a first-person perspective containing at least one ranged weapon", and while I'll admit my analogy doesn't work by that definition, I can't bring myself to care, because it is such a thoroughly stupid definition.
It was pretty obvious what I meant, and I have no intention of carefully defining and spelling out every piddling little detail of everything I say just so that argumentative pedants can't say "ah, but you never specified the player was a human", or "when you said 'any number of players' you didn't specify you meant any natural number" or something equally inane and petty. I get enough of that doing my PhD. But this, this, is an internet forum.
Dear God, you're not like this in real life, are you?

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 17:23
i still don't see why you want to focus on the shooter aspect when first person view is clearly a defining aspect. simulations aside, how many first person games do you know that you'd call anything other than an fps?
Dear God, you're not like this in real life, are you?
nah. i have better things to worry about than whether someone's using good analogies or not. and if i do feel like being a pedantic, i can always go to a forum. why annoy people that i actually know? :p

TehWurm
7 Mar 2007, 17:33
My personal wishlist for W5 is:
A WORMS IN 2D !!!
Just go buy a 2D worms then.

quakerworm
7 Mar 2007, 17:48
wonderful idea. and all other people can just go buy 3d worms. then t17 don't need to make any new worms games.

Paul.Power
9 Mar 2007, 08:50
how many first person games do you know that you'd call anything other than an fps?Many driving games, adventure games like Myst and Starship Titanic, snooker games (when not in top-down mode), pinball games (at least those where your view is slanted rather than flat), Black and White (a first person god-'em-up, I guess), civilian plane simulators (plus rescue sims like SimCopter)...

quakerworm
9 Mar 2007, 10:37
simulations aside
but i'll give you the adventure games. i haven't really thought about that. they do seem to be defined rather separately, though, and many of the first person ones cross strongly into fps. consider something like deus ex. and i haven't played black and white, so i can't comment on that.

Paul.Power
9 Mar 2007, 11:34
and many of the first person ones cross strongly into fps.And many don't, such as the two I mentioned. Ditto Titanic: Adventure Out of Time (no relation)

_Kilburn
9 Mar 2007, 20:43
How about a new Worms Armageddon with graphics and explosion effects from Worms XBLA, and maybe funny weapons from the 3D Worms games ? (inflatable scouser, tail nail, blowpipe)

Flavius
9 Mar 2007, 22:09
Make the next worms ISOMETRIC 3D with a spinable camera, not first person. Makes everybody happy, I think. And make it for the 360!

Paul.Power
10 Mar 2007, 08:26
Make the next worms ISOMETRIC 3D with a spinable camera, not first person. Makes everybody happy, I think. And make it for the 360!And how would that work with the destructible terrain?

Melon
10 Mar 2007, 10:53
Well, I'd thought about making an isometric worms game with exactly the same rules as my Worms : Evolved forum game. Of course, my programming skills aren't that good yet, but maybe some day....

augustino
10 Mar 2007, 12:55
I would prefer a game like Worms 3D because it was the most 2D like but not 2D. Everything (menu style, graphics, sounds...) was just the old way. At Worms 4 were better only the team and weapon editors, some wormpot options, cutscenes... And please (!!!!) give back multiplayer missions!

AnewBreed
11 Mar 2007, 18:01
I think there are alot of new features that could be added to a new episode of worms. Just look at all the updates for WA that have come out so far!
I think a really good idea for t17 would be to concentrate alot on the rope and make a Worms Freestyle or somthing, with more rope-orientated game compatibility. For example, there could be a stunt mode (stunt gp anyone?) or freestyle mode with specially designed maps - roping A.I. maybe? (of course it's possible!!)
Of course other game modes could also be implemented such as battleraces, BnG's, WfW, etc. Maps could also be animated, and possible even sometimes a bit more diverse and innovative. The WA/WWP community has made the games that much better, I'm sure T17 would make an even better job!! There is loads of new stuff that could be added to worms in a new 3D accelerated 2D game. I think just sticking to the same old things and just changing the graphics will not get T17 any high numbers - add some new features, and learn from the 8 year-old and ongoing WA community!!!

SupSuper
12 Mar 2007, 00:49
Just go buy a 2D worms then.Finally, someone said it.
wonderful idea. and all other people can just go buy 3d worms. then t17 don't need to make any new worms games.Sounds like a plan.

Plasma
12 Mar 2007, 01:34
i still don't see why you want to focus on the shooter aspect when first person view is clearly a defining aspect. simulations aside, how many first person games do you know that you'd call anything other than an fps?
Quakerworm's impression of an F1 rally:
"And now Michael Shoemarker has taken the lead and- oh, he's been taken down by a changun! He isn't going to get many points for that!"

bonz
12 Mar 2007, 01:43
Shoemarker
Schuhmacher

AnewBreed
12 Mar 2007, 02:47
-All Worms don't need to look the same after customization,each worm seperately customized.
-More in depth worms customization.
-And maybe,big maybe make it have small swear words eg. 'crap'
Those are exactly the things that would lead the game to being left on the shelf. Sure it'd be neat but after the first two weeks it would already become boring as hell.. If there were only 5 soundbanks in WA, you would all be begging for more, and yet chances are you quit dancing around about them less than a month after you got your hands on the game. What the game needs is more support of games that were developed in the WA community, and more map, A.I. and rope compatibility. Worms isn't about dressing your worms up - would you listen to a band just because they look cool?

quakerworm
12 Mar 2007, 03:59
Quakerworm's impression of an F1 rally:
"And now Michael Shoemarker has taken the lead and- oh, he's been taken down by a changun! He isn't going to get many points for that!"
simulations aside
most racing games are a sub-genre to simulations.

thomasp
12 Mar 2007, 16:26
Schuhmacher
If we're being pedantic: "Schumacher"

AndrewTaylor
12 Mar 2007, 16:33
If we're being pedantic: "Schumacher"
If we're being pedantic, it should be Kimi Räikkönen, because Schumacher retired at the end of the last season.

Paul.Power
12 Mar 2007, 16:39
F1 rallyThat's a surreal image in itself
"And now we see whether the fragile raw speed machine can take the gravel hairpin bend...
... No, it can't"

bonz
12 Mar 2007, 17:18
If we're being pedantic: "Schumacher"
Boing! Got me there.
(Though it might proof that the Germans can't spell.)

quakerworm
12 Mar 2007, 23:50
That's a surreal image in itself
"And now we see whether the fragile raw speed machine can take the gravel hairpin bend...
... No, it can't"
now there is a thought.
*loads live for speed with a rally track and an f1 race car.*
well, it doesn't seem to be possible to build enough speed to do any serious damage. you just can't get any traction with the racing tires.

Plasma
13 Mar 2007, 00:13
Ok, so mabye all I know about F1 racing is that there isn't any chaingun in it, and there is a guy who'se first name is Micheal.
Edit: And now I find out that the latter point was also wrong!

quakerworm
13 Mar 2007, 00:32
i bet if you put a bunch of f1 cars with chain guns into a mud pit, people will pay to see it.

SupSuper
13 Mar 2007, 02:03
You might as well make sure the drivers are scantily clad babes and make yourself a millionaire.

kikumbob
13 Mar 2007, 21:39
Schumacher retired at the end of the last season. But thats the only F1 driver I know! Unless Matt Damon is one...
A candy stick to anyone who can tie this in with worms.

Basti@n
30 Mar 2007, 03:04
Worms on the Nintendo Wii maybe? Or just like wagman (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=60691) sayed here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=31767): Worms on the PS3.
My "wishlist" for Worms 5:
-Well, it must be an 3D game, but maybe with minigames in 2D like "Ninja Rope Stunting", "Wormy Races", "Digging Challenge" or things like that.
-Customisable worms, but not only with hats, glasses, moustaches and all these things, with dresses! So i can finally play as my sigworm... :p
-Buildings
-Some of the old weapons... (maybe the homing strike or the super banana bomb?)

Killaz
31 Mar 2007, 11:08
now what would i love to see in W5 is...cars!

BoggyB.
1 Apr 2007, 03:51
si hacen un worms 5 , quiero que alla un lanzallamas ;)

yappydog
5 Apr 2007, 17:17
now what would i love to see in W5 is...cars!
"Grand Theft Auto: Worms City" perhaps?
Come to think of it, if a new direction for Worms is needed to make a next edition different, trying to keep one player-followed worm alive through a story ( / long battle / campaign) could be interesting.
Worms from the soldier's viewpoint, not the general's...
Or would that be too far from tradition?

Plasma
5 Apr 2007, 18:04
"Grand Theft Auto: Worms City" perhaps?
Come to think of it, if a new direction for Worms is needed to make a next edition different, trying to keep one player-followed worm alive through a story ( / long battle / campaign) could be interesting.
Worms from the soldier's viewpoint, not the general's...
Or would that be too far from tradition?
I think that would just be too difficult to play;
Remember "Saving Agent Dennis"? That was only one mission, and is was friggin' hard!

Basti@n
7 Apr 2007, 01:05
"Grand Theft Auto: Worms City"
Reminds me of Wormetti (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=61327)... XD
Or would that be too far from tradition?
Yes, Worms is a turn-based game, not a 1st person shooter :p Yes, i know about the spin-offs like Worms Blast and Worms Pinball...
Also my "vision" of Worms 5: Arsenal or Worms 5: Limitless Arsenal ;) or Worms 5: ...Anything!
29717
si hacen un worms 5 , quiero que alla un lanzallamas ;)
Escribelo en ingles...
If they make a Worms 5, there should be a flamethrower ;)

SupSuper
7 Apr 2007, 18:49
si hacen un worms 5 , quiero que alla un lanzallamas ;)
Escribelo en ingles...
"if they make a worms 5 , i want it to have a flamethrower ;)"

FutureWorm
8 Apr 2007, 17:28
"if they make a worms 5 , i want it to have a flamethrower ;)"
Do you speak Spanish, or did you babelfish that?

SupSuper
9 Apr 2007, 05:29
Do you speak Spanish, or did you babelfish that?Spanish is not too different from Portuguese, so I can read it.

CJH
17 Apr 2007, 17:50
why should they make another worms game? worms 4: mayhem had a fairly good ending[as did many other of the games] considering the sucsess of previous titles,there are still many challenges to beat, missions to play, worms to kill, so basicly, why bother with a new development when you can marvel at the ones you've already got?

SupSuper
17 Apr 2007, 18:37
Because it pays the bills?

McMaster
20 Apr 2007, 15:16
If they make Worms 5, I want to deliver:
-More Missions and Challenges
-More Items in the Item Shop
-More weapons
-Fixed bugs
-Better landscapes
-Landscape editor
-Compatibility with Windows Vista and DirectX 10

thomasp
20 Apr 2007, 19:08
If they make Worms 5, I want to deliver:
...
-Compatibility with Windows Vista and DirectX 10
Considering that Microsoft will not be selling XP by the start of next year, and games generally take over a year to make (assuming they haven't already started), it would be quite foolish of Team17 not to support Vista with a new PC worms game

wormmike16
8 May 2007, 03:21
I sure as heck want a worms 5. The first two were great! I hope that team 17 are making a 3d worms game, because it seams like their just making 2d games for now.Let worms 5 be for wii,please!

dzani
10 May 2007, 11:17
Team 17 is sleeping some time....
But not for much longer....I think worms 5 Advanced wars is coming with HDTV support and all that new stuffs.You can expect drastic graphic cahnges(something like in a movie) and all 4 players in deathmatch will be able to play on same time.(unlock that option)Gameplay will be much better...
Ok i expect that but as i said team 17 is sleeping.....

Shirdel
27 Jul 2007, 16:23
If there will be a Worms 5, then please relase it for the PS2 (and maybe PSP).

Ron
12 Aug 2007, 14:15
If there will be a Worms 5, then please relase it for the PS2 (and maybe PSP).
PC for the win!

Squirminator2k
12 Aug 2007, 19:46
If Worms 5 ever does get made, it probably won't come out for the previous generation of consoles. If it's going to be another 3D entry in the game you can gaurantee it will most likely be for the PS3, 360 and PC. That'll be it.

McMaster
13 Aug 2007, 13:44
If Worms 5 ever does get made, it probably won't come out for the previous generation of consoles. If it's going to be another 3D entry in the game you can gaurantee it will most likely be for the PS3, 360 and PC. That'll be it.
Don't forget and other consoles like Wii. Most people get them now.

Plasma
13 Aug 2007, 18:46
Don't forget the PS3. Most people get it now.
*slaps head*
Did you mean to say "Don't forget the Wii"?
If so, then you need to remember that the Wii version would have to require different controls because of the Wiimote. Also, Worms4 wasn't released on the Gamecube.

McMaster
13 Aug 2007, 20:56
Did you mean to say "Don't forget the Wii"?
If so, then you need to remember that the Wii version would have to require different controls because of the Wiimote. Also, Worms4 wasn't released on the Gamecube.
Ooops, yes, you're right.
I've edited the post.
Also I think that they should not make it only for XBOX 360, they should make it and on the standard XBOX.
And never forget PC. There are thousands of members on this forum, so everyone on this forum has a PC, so if Team17 don't make it for PC, then tey'll dissapoint thousands of people of this forum, and more millions in the world!
I hope that next Worms won't be realesed in a long time, we waited enough.

Squirminator2k
14 Aug 2007, 02:01
Seeing as the Wii probably isn't capable of pulling off the sort of technology Team 17 would likely implement in a next-generation Worms game, I didn't bother mentioning the Wii. I love the console though, and I wouldn't mind seeing an enhanced version of Worms 4: Mayhem for it.
Also I think that they should not make it only for XBOX 360, they should make it and on the standard XBOX.
Why? No one buys them. Microsoft no longer manufacture them. They don't sell. And many Xbox games can be played on the 360 anyway. you may as well say "release it for the Game Cube".
And never forget PC. There are thousands of members on this forum, so everyone on this forum has a PC
Er, did you type this sentence on autopilot or something? You may have forgotten about the fact that more than a few people visit this forum using their Macs, and you can now get the internet on your Wii, DS, PSP, cell phone, Blackberry, TV, blender and microwave oven. What a silly thing to say.

Plasma
14 Aug 2007, 08:47
Seeing as the Wii probably isn't capable of pulling off the sort of technology Team 17 would likely implement in a next-generation Worms game, I didn't bother mentioning the Wii. I love the console though, and I wouldn't mind seeing an enhanced version of Worms 4: Mayhem for it.
Hardly. Worms was never a game with really good graphics or a really complex engine.

Squirminator2k
14 Aug 2007, 15:33
Oh, that's just stupid. Using that logic, why not ask Team 17 to release a version of Worms 4: Mayhem for the PSone, or the the Super Nintendo?

SupSuper
14 Aug 2007, 16:22
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember W4M having all kinds of problems on most consoles. It might not be a graphical breakthrough but it sure is a complex engine.

Squirminator2k
14 Aug 2007, 16:30
The only problems I ever had with W4M on the PS2 were with the camera controls, which where a big sluggish. I'd also noticed that animation framerate reduced on objects further away, but I chalked that up to a console limitation.

AndrewTaylor
14 Aug 2007, 17:02
To be honest, I see the Wii as the natural home of the next 2D Worms game -- the processor power is more than enough; the pointer would make it ridiculously easy to control, especially for new players (of which there would be many); with luck you could transfer maps from SD cards, or maybe even from a DS (can things do that?).
Also, it'd be fantastic to associate a Mii with each team and then replace the first worm on each team with that Mii, especially for a "kill the leader not the whole team" style of play.
I think it'd be a bit easier to get a 2D game released on the Wii than the other consoles, especially if Nintendo get that WiiWare thing going anytime ever. After the success of the XBLA version I reckon it'd do at least as well on Wii.

Plasma
14 Aug 2007, 17:10
Oh, that's just stupid. Using that logic, why not ask Team 17 to release a version of Worms 4: Mayhem for the PSone, or the the Super Nintendo?
No, I'm serious. I don't think the next Worms game will be too hardware-demanding for the Wii.

Squirminator2k
14 Aug 2007, 17:59
If we assume that Team 17 are going to dust off the W4M engine and just modify that, then yeah. Maybe. But Let's face facts, here. Worms 3D and Worms 4: Mayhem were not perfect. They were good, but not perfect. Team17 are going to want to take advantage of the power that the PS3 and 360 offer. The Wii, which is only marginally more powerful than the original Xbox, probably won't be able to do what Team17 want it to do.
This is all speculation, of course. But even still, it's better than saying that the next 3D Worms will appear on the Wii because "Worms was never a game with really good graphics or a really complex engine" is just ignorant, stupid mouth farting.

McMaster
14 Aug 2007, 18:05
Hardly. Worms was never a game with really good graphics or a really complex engine.
I don't think that Worms must have excellent graphics. We play it just for fun, not for the graphics.
And also you need an expensive computer to run it, and most of us (like me) doesn't have great computers, and I say it again : We more like Worms not when they have good graphics, but when they are fun.

Squirminator2k
14 Aug 2007, 18:33
I'm not even talking about graphics, here. I'm talking about processing and computing power. There is no doubt that the PS3 and the 360 would be able to handle a more complex, CPU-intensive game engine. Even if we were using the same models and textures from Worms 4, the increased processing power of the PS3 and the 360 would allow for a better game engine. One of the "complaints" some magazines had about W3D and W4M was about how the landscape blew away in "convenient blocks" (quote: Nintendo Official Magazine UK, late 2003). The fact thast the PS3 and the 360 are more powerful would allow, for example, smaller voxels, which would allow a more detailed, less blocky destructable landscape dynamic.
Honestly. People these days seem to just associate console power with graphic output. There's a reason Chris Hecker of Maxis called the Wii a "piece of s**t" (link (http://www.realvg.org/display.php?type=news&id=116)), and that's because it can't process as much data as quickly and consequently won't let them make the Wii version of Spore as complex as the 360, PS3 and PC versions will inevitably be.
It needs to be stressed that I don't hate the Wii. I'm a self-confessed Nintendo Fanboy, for a given value of "Fanboy", but I don't think that the Wii is the natural home of the next generation of 3D Worms. 2D, yes. A special edition of Mayhem, yes. But Worms 5, or whatever Team17 (or their publishers) decide to call it will probably not come out on the Wii. And if it does, it will be a very different game when compared to the PS3 and 360 versions.

MtlAngelus
16 Aug 2007, 21:49
Unless they intentionally tone down the PS3 and 360 version to make it the same as the wii one, but that would be a stupid idea.
:p

Squirminator2k
16 Aug 2007, 21:52
Exactly. Which is why Worms 5 for the Wii is not going to happen.

Sam93
18 Aug 2007, 18:41
right, are all you people *****ing about how gay team 17 are for making brilliant games satisfied? i got bored of worms in late 2005 because it was all the same. And now i got back into it a month ago. But thanks to you there has been no updates on the 3d games for 2 years. Good job asshats!

Plasma
18 Aug 2007, 18:58
right, are all you people *****ing about how gay team 17 are for making brilliant games satisfied?
That's not a lot. And there just hasn't been a 3D worms game in 2 years because Team17 were too busy with 2D worms games.

Squirminator2k
18 Aug 2007, 21:09
right, are all you people *****ing about how gay team 17 are for making brilliant games satisfied? i got bored of worms in late 2005 because it was all the same. And now i got back into it a month ago. But thanks to you there has been no updates on the 3d games for 2 years. Good job asshats!
There was a two-year gap between Worms and Worms 2, another 2-year game between Worms 2 and Worms Armageddon, and a 4-year gap between Worms World Party and Worms Open Warfare. Good sequels and progression of a series takes time. Unlike EA Games and UbiSoft, who just pump out sequels and genre-riding games with no real innovation and thus reduced development time, Team17 actually like to spend time making their games fun. Shocking, I know.
That's not a lot. And there just hasn't been a 3D worms game in 2 years because Team17 were too busy with 2D worms games.
Well, actually...

Sam93
19 Aug 2007, 16:54
yes, i understand that sequels do need a long time in development to become innovative and new, but two years! two years is a long time, considering they havent mentioned worms 5 at all. an innovation is an idea, and surely 2 years is enough to come up with some ideas.

thomasp
19 Aug 2007, 16:55
Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they are not working on it. Team17 aren't allowed to reveal anything until the publishers say they can.

kikumbob
24 Aug 2007, 23:45
Exactly. Which is why Worms 5 for the Wii is not going to happen. This does not, however, rule out a random worms spin-off idea solely bent upon the idea of using the innovated control of the wii in exciting and wormy new ways...!

Squirminator2k
25 Aug 2007, 08:07
Ideally, we'd be looking at an updated version of Worms 4: Mayhem (which I still genuinely believe could be utterly brilliant). Or something njew. In fact ideally, we wouldn't be looking at a Worms game at all - I think Alien Breed would work well on the Wii.

Starlover1
26 Aug 2007, 15:51
and all 4 players in deathmatch will be able to play on same time.(unlock that option)
That defeats the whole purpose of the game. Worms is a Turn based Stratigic Artillery Action Video game. i dont think there going to do that everybody at once.... thats not turn based

Mathy
18 Sep 2007, 02:14
First, this is (Spartaaaaa) my first post
2nd, I would love a real time Worms game;) featuring something like 2 teams on a single big team (2x2) :-/:cool::D

Wolv
22 Sep 2007, 14:03
Well, sad to hear that you guys aren't working on a new Worms (although why not port the PSP version to the PC platform?).
But when talking about Worms for hand helds (PSP and DS) are you also going to produce a new Worms for the Nokia mobile phones, like you did with WWP NGage?
-Wolv

Plasma
22 Sep 2007, 14:10
Well, sad to hear that you guys aren't working on a new Worms
Says who? Last time I checked, they've still got a PC game in the making.

Wolv
22 Sep 2007, 14:34
Says who? Last time I checked, they've still got a PC game in the making.
Where did you get this information? :P

Plasma
22 Sep 2007, 15:23
Where did you get this information? :P
From Team17 (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=587251&postcount=17)

wormsgang
23 Sep 2007, 17:36
It will be awesome to see a new 3D.But if it comes , I hope it`ll be for PC too ,
cos I don`t have any consoles , except PS2 and PSP , which is broken.

pieman280
23 Sep 2007, 17:42
From Team17 (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=587251&postcount=17)
Sounds cool:cool:
It will be awesome to see a new 3D.But if it comes , I hope it`ll be for PC too ,
cos I don`t have any consoles , except PS2 and PSP , which is broken.
I can't begin tell you how much I agree with you on that subject:)

yappydog
25 Sep 2007, 17:26
It will be awesome to see a new 3D.But if it comes , I hope it`ll be for PC too ,
cos I don`t have any consoles , except PS2 and PSP , which is broken.I can't begin tell you how much I agree with you on that subject:)I agree too. PC gaming is the future, once people realise that each new console they buy is out of date within a year or two, forcing an expensive purchase of the next version, ad infinitum. Yet those of us with PCs (and indeed Macs) are often excluded from the latest games by publishers, at least in part for that very reason - console purchases mean money.
Yet I trust in Team17. Neither they (nor anyone they deal with) would stoop to such levels for our money.
I hope. :-/

pieman280
29 Sep 2007, 00:40
Do you guys think Worms 5 will be a 3D game or a 2D game? as much as I like 3D, I think W5 will be a 2D game because 65% of the fans like 2D games more.
Yet I trust in Team17
We all trust in team17. team17 is one of the nicest companies I've ever heard of and I believe they can give us the right stratagy games the world has ever seen, heck, they already have.:)

EagleGuy
22 Oct 2007, 19:20
I think Worms should stick with 2D, I didn't like the 3D version of Worms. If there is a Worms 5 I hope it will be 2D, but with great effects.

Squirminator2k
22 Oct 2007, 20:47
I think Worms can work in 3D, and W4M was part of the way there.

wave
22 Oct 2007, 23:42
Do you guys think Worms 5 will be a 3D game or a 2D game? as much as I like 3D, I think W5 will be a 2D game because 65% of the fans like 2D games more.
We all trust in team17. team17 is one of the nicest companies I've ever heard of and I believe they can give us the right stratagy games the world has ever seen, heck, they already have.:)
all companies are pure 100%EVIL !!!! and want only one thing, YOUR MONEY and will stop at nothing to get it.

FutureWorm
23 Oct 2007, 00:24
all companies are pure 100%EVIL !!!! and want only one thing, YOUR MONEY and will stop at nothing to get it.
yeah man! damn those companies and their attempts at "profit"!

Squirminator2k
23 Oct 2007, 05:20
all companies are pure 100%EVIL !!!! and want only one thing, YOUR MONEY and will stop at nothing to get it.
Hey wave, I'll be setting up as a company later this year. Does that mean that I'll become evil? If so, do I gain any super awesome powers?

MtlAngelus
23 Oct 2007, 08:46
do I gain any super awesome powers?
Dude no, that's ridiculous...
You gain super awesome evil powers.
Fact.

spoonomilk
25 Oct 2007, 12:56
I thought worms 3d was pretty damn good, to be honest and I don't mind what format it takes as long as it comes out with online multiplayer on Xbox 360!

Shadowmoon
2 Dec 2007, 19:40
In my opinion, there should be another 3D worms game, but not until 2008 or 2009.

Reder8
2 Dec 2007, 21:22
I thought worms 3d was pretty damn good, to be honest and I don't mind what format it takes as long as it comes out with online multiplayer on Xbox 360!
That would be good. The only problem with it is that people are more interest in/prefer games like shooters such as Halo for playing online. Games like Worms would probably not support as much players.

thomasp
2 Dec 2007, 22:36
In my opinion, there should be another 3D worms game, but not until 2008 or 2009.
I think it's pretty certain there won't be any type of new worms game, let alone 3D in 2007.
No amount of beer would get a game designed, developed, tested and released in 29 days (well, virtually 28)

GrimOswald
3 Dec 2007, 00:21
I think it's pretty certain there won't be any type of new worms game, let alone 3D in 2007.
No amount of beer would get a game designed, developed, tested and released in 29 days (well, virtually 28)
That almost sounds like a challenge.
If they DO make another 3D worms game, I really hope they take their time on it and think it all out. Do not get me wrong, I enjoyed Worms 4 (Nor am I implying it was particularly rushed or anything) and it was a good step, but it has still got a way to go to really...work in 3D.

Shadowmoon
3 Dec 2007, 07:27
I think it's pretty certain there won't be any type of new worms game, let alone 3D in 2007.
No amount of beer would get a game designed, developed, tested and released in 29 days (well, virtually 28)
I think worms is actually losing its touch.

pieman280
3 Dec 2007, 12:57
I think worms is actually losing its touch.
ever since W:OW1 was released I've been getting the same feeling.:(

emorhconom
5 Dec 2007, 15:29
Personally i think releasing a new 3D Worms would be a huge mistake. However, nowadays game companies are pratically enslaved by the reviewers whims regarding modern graphics, thus limiting the possibility of releasing WOW to PC, since they usually rate with below average grades everything that is not Bioshock-like. IMO, games are about fun and not about graphics and i think releasing WOW to pc would be lovely despite the reviewers opinions (personally i would buy it right away); however Team 17 has a serious problem with taking risks and perhaps it has been stuck to its classic franchises for far too long. It is time for them to develop something fresh and unbelievably entertaining on a market flooded by cliché shooters and boring mmorpgs. I believe Team 17's got what it takes. They have the experience, they have the wackyness, they have the style; the only thing is lacking here is guts and attitude to try something new!
Good luck and keep on truckin'
emohrconom

Shadowmoon
7 Dec 2007, 17:57
Personally i think releasing a new 3D Worms would be a huge mistake. However, nowadays game companies are pratically enslaved by the reviewers whims regarding modern graphics, thus limiting the possibility of releasing WOW to PC, since they usually rate with below average grades everything that is not Bioshock-like. IMO, games are about fun and not about graphics and i think releasing WOW to pc would be lovely despite the reviewers opinions (personally i would buy it right away); however Team 17 has a serious problem with taking risks and perhaps it has been stuck to its classic franchises for far too long. It is time for them to develop something fresh and unbelievably entertaining on a market flooded by cliché shooters and boring mmorpgs. I believe Team 17's got what it takes. They have the experience, they have the wackyness, they have the style; the only thing is lacking here is guts and attitude to try something new!
Good luck and keep on truckin'
emohrconom
It may be a bad idea, but it could work out. And it would make the fans of 3D worms happy. There are fans of 3D worms in this forum, which probably hate 2D. But in my opinion i think that Worms could end in less than 3 years. We haven't had a game as great as WA. I really like worms, but i really think that it is really close to ending. This is just an opinion, i don't want the series to end. If they make Worms 5, it needs to be completely improved. It is not enough for it to be ok, it needs to be good and be the best game in the worms 3D series for the 3D series to have a future. Worms 4 Mayhem was nothing special, it was ok. But i do love worms, and WA is the bestest so far.
I think the 2D series has a future, but i am not sure if the 3D series does.

_Kilburn
7 Dec 2007, 20:11
There are fans of 2D worms in this forum, which probably hate 3D.
Fixed. :p
If they make Worms 5, it needs to be completely improved.
If "to be completely improved" means "to have more useless weapons and themes" for you, then yes, Worms is really close to ending.

Shadowmoon
7 Dec 2007, 20:12
What do you mean by Fixed?

Shadowmoon
7 Dec 2007, 20:16
Kilburn, new weapons added to the game are good. No, thats not what i mean, but in my opinion, worms could end in less than 3 years. Also you act like new weapons and themes are a bad thing. If they just put the same weapons in each time, don't you think people will get bored? Its nice to add weapons, themes and fresh new ideas into the game. New weapons and New themes are good, it doesn't just matter about the gameplay. Kilburn, people will ask for more weapons and more themes. If you think the weapons are useless, thats your opinion. I think they have done a fine job on all of the weapons.

pieman280
7 Dec 2007, 22:01
It may be a bad idea, but it could work out. And it would make the fans of 3D worms happy. There are fans of 3D worms in this forum, which probably hate 2D. But in my opinion i think that Worms could end in less than 3 years. We haven't had a game as great as WA. I really like worms, but i really think that it is really close to ending. This is just an opinion, i don't want the series to end. If they make Worms 5, it needs to be completely improved. It is not enough for it to be ok, it needs to be good and be the best game in the worms 3D series for the 3D series to have a future. Worms 4 Mayhem was nothing special, it was ok. But i do love worms, and WA is the bestest so far.
I think the 2D series has a future, but i am not sure if the 3D series does.
3D worms has a big future a head of it! it's obvious that with bigger maps with a lot more color and effects can bring up a lot more than you think. 3D worms are also more flexible. they can do so much more, but they just aren't showing how good a 3D worms game could be.
I don't know a single 3D fan that hates 2D worms. I see I just can't see where anyone could hate a 3D or 2D worms game.
What do you mean by Fixed?
_Kilburn is right, there are a LOT more people who prefer 2D more. I feel as if 3D fans aren't supporting 3D enough, but there are 3D fans out there.

Shadowmoon
8 Dec 2007, 08:38
3D worms has a big future a head of it! it's obvious that with bigger maps with a lot more color and effects can bring up a lot more than you think. 3D worms are also more flexible. they can do so much more, but they just aren't showing how good a 3D worms game could be.
I don't know a single 3D fan that hates 2D worms. I see I just can't see where anyone could hate a 3D or 2D worms game.
_Kilburn is right, there are a LOT more people who prefer 2D more. I feel as if 3D fans aren't supporting 3D enough, but there are 3D fans out there.
I wouldn't say a big future. Y'see the fans like 2D worms more. I am one of the fans who think 3D is better than 2D, but i can't see a big future for the
3D games. But if they bring one out i will be happy:D

pieman280
10 Dec 2007, 01:30
I wouldn't say a big future. Y'see the fans like 2D worms more. I am one of the fans who think 3D is better than 2D, but i can't see a big future for the
3D games. But if they bring one out i will be happy:D
I'm not saying it has a big future just because I like it. I'm saying there is one because of the flexibility. Someone said my point in better words and if I find it I'll repost it here for better explanation.

Xinos
17 Dec 2007, 22:13
I was wondering if they are gonna make a Worms:5
I can garantee that they are working on it to some degree. Even if it's like a third or fourth priority project. They wouldn't abandon worms.
The'll announce it when it's ready.

Flavius
4 Feb 2008, 21:13
I'd be all for another 3D Worms if they could figure out how not to make it suck. Maybe by turning it into a turn-based FPS or something.

_Kilburn
5 Feb 2008, 11:35
turn-based FPS
Many people complain about it because it already looks like a turn-based FPS. So I don't think it's a good idea.

Cakemen
12 Feb 2008, 19:53
I think most people'd be happy with a 3D rendered 2D worms, with lots of nice looking cartoon particle effects and the classic worms physics, something that adds tons of eye candy to make use of more recent hardware. Though on the other hand, the customisation of worms 4 with hats and the like would be cool too.
They could of course sell out and do what every other franchise seems to be doing, making an MMO! World of Wormcraft >.>

Raffeh
13 Feb 2008, 16:43
Worms is cool, I really enjoyed it, but the new 3D games don't have the same feel as the old 2D ones. I mean, I like all the worms games, but the 2D games (Worms 2 to be more specific) had... let's say, better graphics and animations, but the 3D had better gameplay.

GrimOswald
14 Feb 2008, 00:05
Worms is cool, I really enjoyed it, but the new 3D games don't have the same feel as the old 2D ones. I mean, I like all the worms games, but the 2D games (Worms 2 to be more specific) had... let's say, better graphics and animations, but the 3D had better gameplay.
2D had better graphics and animations...3D had better gameplay...
I am going to assume that was an accident and that you put them the wrong way around. Mainly because I cannot comprehend someone liking a worse-playing game more just because of the graphics (Not that I am saying 2D is...)

mastacjk
18 Feb 2008, 03:09
I actually REEEEAALLLY wish Team 17 would make another 3D worms. Im tired of 2D, I haven't enjoyed any of the latest 2D worm games, mainly because there is no point. Why even make the game when you decide to put LESS weapons in it than armaggedon? HUH?MORE! NOT LESS!MORE!

[Wormz]
18 Feb 2008, 21:53
I actually REEEEAALLLY wish Team 17 would make another 3D worms. Im tired of 2D, I haven't enjoyed any of the latest 2D worm games, mainly because there is no point. Why even make the game when you decide to put LESS weapons in it than armaggedon? HUH?MORE! NOT LESS!MORE!
i do infact agree mixmaster mastacjk, i would like to have a huge arsenal of weapons, awhilst having new ones, and classics, such as the sniper

yakuza
18 Feb 2008, 22:14
It may be a bad idea, but it could work out. And it would make the fans of 3D worms happy. There are fans of 3D worms in this forum, which probably hate 2D. But in my opinion i think that Worms could end in less than 3 years. We haven't had a game as great as WA. I really like worms, but i really think that it is really close to ending. This is just an opinion, i don't want the series to end. If they make Worms 5, it needs to be completely improved. It is not enough for it to be ok, it needs to be good and be the best game in the worms 3D series for the 3D series to have a future. Worms 4 Mayhem was nothing special, it was ok. But i do love worms, and WA is the bestest so far.
I think the 2D series has a future, but i am not sure if the 3D series does.
So you're changing your opinions on a weekly basis here?

Shadowmoon
19 Feb 2008, 17:05
So you're changing your opinions on a weekly basis here?
Yeah, i always do that. Its fun and i love it. Try it! i find that changing your opinions on a weekly basis is really healthy for you.
And i am talking utter tosh here.....

CJH
20 Feb 2008, 12:28
Yeah, i always do that. Its fun and i love it. Try it! i find that changing your opinions on a weekly basis is really healthy for you.
And i am talking utter tosh here.....
Don't worry. It happens to all of us.:)
Anyway, I think more 3D Worms would be better, because the 2D one's are not as good in my opinion, And the new 2D ones are not for PC. The 3D one's were better, and on PC.
Hang on, I just remembered! No-body makes new cool games for PC!:eek:

[UFP]Ghost
20 Feb 2008, 20:40
Stick to 2D until technology advances because as it has been 2D worms has been better than 3D. In theory 3D is better, the whole strategy, aiming, vectors, and what not make a good concept. But with each 3D release i'm more nad more disappointed. It may not be fully T17s fault, some might be technology. What I'm trying to say is 3D is not as good in reality, unless the game can be made properly (the way it theoretically should be made).

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