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NLA
22 Jun 2006, 04:15
This may look like its in the wrong forum, but because it also sounds like a technical difficulty, I'll paste it here, but hear me out;
I recently upgraded (can it really considered an upgrade with high latency?) from dialup to satellite internet. Previously on dialup, I could connect to Wormnet2, or any Wormnet with the various Worms games just fine, but now I can not connect at all.
So what sets this problem apart from others? I haven't noticed any tutorials or topics or really any mention concerning anyone having trouble with connecting via satellite, so this must be a specific problem with me. I currently have Windows firewall disabled, and Norton Antivirus uninstalled, so I'm utterly defenseless, but at the same time, nothing should interfere with the connection.
I've used WormNat, and its currently set to use a SOCKS proxy server that passes all of the tests just normally, but this still doesn't change any connectivity. All that happens now that the firewall proxy override settings are enabled is a message saying that "A fatal error has occurred."
Nothing sticks out as being out of the ordinary in terms of my connection, I can connect to another person hosting a Direct IP game of W:A, I can connect to the internet just fine, and people can send data and whatnot to me. So why is W:A acting up? Really, its not just W:A, I've also checked and the same happens for WWP. Though for some strange reason, when I go to that website, http://www.whatismyip.com/ thats supposed to give you your IP, it seems to be giving me an address thats different from my real address. I can post these addresses if they are requested. I think the one that is being given to me is a proxy address used by the satellite internet provider, but no matter which IP I put in W:A's configuration screen and force, nothing changes.
Please help, I really need some worm killing worm action. :-/

Lex
22 Jun 2006, 07:45
You contradicted yourself in some points. You said that you had all firewalls disabled, but you also said that the "firewall proxy override settings are enabled". Disable those.
WormNAT is for connecting to hosted games, not to the HTTP/IRC server.
Are you able to connect to my server? Try downloading CyberShadow's server list (http://www.maplecenter.net/wormnet), and try connecting to my server.

NLA
23 Jun 2006, 05:21
I was under the assumption thats how wormnat was supposed to work, I'm sorry. But even without that being there, I still can't connect to Wormnet, nor your server, Lex.
Recently I have also tried to host other games outside of W:A, and people have trouble connecting to my IP as well. Dunno if that changes anything. I do know I need worming action :/

bonz
23 Jun 2006, 05:24
Lex, NLA is talking about Wormnet2 as mentioned in the post's title.

Lex
26 Jun 2006, 18:12
Yes, Bonz, but now read the rest of his post. ;) Apparently, you can't always judge a thread by its title. :p

bonz
27 Jun 2006, 00:41
Yes, Bonz, but now read the rest of his post. ;) Apparently, you can't always judge a thread by its title. :p
I'm very superficial sometimes when it comes to reading posts, Andy.

NLA
27 Jun 2006, 03:20
Alright, after much discussion and a dab of research, as well as through some major tinkering with W:A, MyWormNet (available through the WormNet website) and ServerList.htm, a friend and I found out several important things (alot of this is still speculation):
1.) I apparently don't have a specific IP. Any of you are familiar with the satellite internet access corporation Hughes? They do not allow for a unique IP, for which anyone at any given time could connect to my PC. This means that I cannot host W:A games on WormNet, but it doesn't exactly explain why I can't connect to WormNet. I do not recommend them for anything. They charged an additional $30 a month from the residential plan to get a unique IP ($10 for upgrading to the professional plan, and another $20 for a static IP/unique IP package).
2.) Ports may have something to do with this.
So, through a bit of experimentation, where my friend downloaded, installed, and (seemingly) correctly configured MyWormNet, he managed to get up his own server, very similar to Lex's, and probably created with the same software. One major difference, though, he ran the server on a different port, and I had to include the port number in the ServerList.htm file, so it would have read "http://[IP ADDRESS]:31338/wormageddonweb/". Magically, I managed to connect to him, at least somewhat. I could indeed see the main server login screen, but upon entering I got stuck in an infinite WormNet loading screen, and could not connect.
Specualation: We might have forgotten to put the port in the login address link that was in his lobby link. :B
In any case, I think it probably proves that either I, my ISP, or W:A is having a problem connecting on port 80 to the WormNet servers.
I noticed something interersting a few minutes ago, as well. I tried to connect to http://wormnet1.team17.com/wormageddonweb/welcomeloginform.asp, and it loaded just fine in my http browser; I tried to load to http://wormnet1.team17.com/wormageddonweb/welcomeloginform.asp:80, and it said the page was unavailable. Any ideas?

Seita
27 Jun 2006, 06:20
http://wormnet1.team17.com:80/wormageddonweb/welcomeloginform.asp
Port number is right after the host name.

bonz
27 Jun 2006, 12:01
1.) I apparently don't have a specific IP.
Yes, me neither.
I use this free tool & service:
http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_dns/free_dynamic_dns.html
My IP address now is globefish.no-ip.info which I entered and forced in the network options screen in W:A.
2.) Ports may have something to do with this.
Lots of info, including ports, firewalls, routers and hosting:
www.nanacide.com/wahelp
This may help to see if some ports are closed:
www.canyouseeme.org

NLA
28 Jun 2006, 15:39
Bonz, are you sure we are actually talking about the same thing? When I say that I don't have a specific IP, I mean that I don't have one. At all. This is basically how HughesNet configures its customers: we're all behind a router at their place, and ports are not being forwarded to us. So see, when I say I don't have a specific IP, I'm meaning more that I don't have an IP at all, a unique IP. :/ (Also speculation, no real way of confirming, but signs indicate this.)
I think I have figured out something very interesting, though. Yesterday I browsed over to http://nntime.com/realtime/, and I found two fresh, fast anonymous proxies. As you know, W:A has a configuration option to allow for proxies, so I thought I would give it a try. Now, whats so interesting about these proxies is that they were both fast and fresh, but on different ports. One was on port 80, the other was on port 8080. So I tried the port 80 one first - failed. This seemingly confirmed my ideas that there was indeed a problem with connecting via either my ISP, the W:A built-in http browser, or W:A itself to any servers on port 80. Next, I tried port 8080, BAM I WAS IN :D:D
Edit: I played a game against a few people. It was very fun.
It was a very happy moment, suffice it to say. I'd be satisfied with this solution and drop this whole matter at that, if it weren't for the fact that W:A doesn't allow you to host when behind a proxy (at least it seemed like it, since the host button had disappeared). Any ideas? Perhaps WormNet supports another http port I can connect to? That'd be just awesome.
Oh, also, if no-ip has a solution that fixes a problem like this, that'd be great too. I really wouldn't know just by looking at the available free no-ip services (I'm already a member). Also, canyouseeme.org has like failed on every port I've check (80, 21, 8080, 6667, 65439, 65431).

bonz
28 Jun 2006, 18:25
Bonz, are you sure we are actually talking about the same thing? When I say that I don't have a specific IP, I mean that I don't have one.
You must have an IP address. Otherwise nothing would work.
Which IP address does it show here?
www.whatismyip.org
Also, canyouseeme.org has like failed on every port I've check (80, 21, 8080, 6667, 65439, 65431).
For me to, still everything works fine.
Try out www.no-ip.info! It has a small client tool which continously updates your current external IP adress and re-routes everything to your custom URL.
Enter the custom one in W:A's options and force it.

NLA
30 Jun 2006, 08:31
Originally Posted by bonz
Try out www.no-ip.info! It has a small client tool which continously updates your current external IP adress and re-routes everything to your custom URL.
Originally Posted by NLA
Oh, also, if no-ip has a solution that fixes a problem like this, that'd be great too. I really wouldn't know just by looking at the available free no-ip services (I'm already a member).
I have the client.
Alright, whatismyip.org is reporting that my IP is, as of this moment, "69.19.14.39". Now, I start up my handy dandy Windows FTP server and run on port 21. Start the client, switch over the FlashFXP and try to FTP in - fail. Change ports on Windows FTP server to such things as 65118 and port 87 - also fail. It says that the connection is lost. It seems that it is very much impossible to connect to me via my IP.
Now, right now, the No-IP client tells me that my IP is "72.168.197.176", and that I am behind a "NAT/Router/Proxy". Also, I cannot connect to this IP or its http alternative that I have set up at no-ip on any particular ports, though my connection is being refused here instead of just being lost.
Also, remember bonz, this isn't seeming like a problem with the IP that I have in W:A, it seems more like a problem with the port that I'm connecting. Thats why I'm having to connect to a proxy thats not on port 80, where the problem lies, or so it would seem.

bonz
30 Jun 2006, 12:26
Thats why I'm having to connect to a proxy thats not on port 80, where the problem lies, or so it would seem.
Does your provider have a proxy server for this purpose?
Anyway, you should have a talk to your provider.

CyberShadow
30 Jun 2006, 15:33
Now, I start up my handy dandy Windows FTP server and run on port 21. Start the client, switch over the FlashFXP and try to FTP in - fail. Change ports on Windows FTP server to such things as 65118 and port 87 - also fail. It says that the connection is lost. It seems that it is very much impossible to connect to me via my IP.
I just thought it would be worth to mention, that in some situations (like mine) it is impossible to connect to your own external IP. Our LAN server only forwards connection requests that come from the external interface, and if my network administrator didn't mention it to me, I would have wasted time looking for the problem and blaiming my administrator that he can't even forward a few ports correctly.

rapidistu
10 Jul 2008, 12:07
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