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pieman280
29 Oct 2007, 01:23
Some people hate text talk and some act as if it's their main communication. I think text talk is okay, but I hate when that's all people say. a 'LOL' or a 'OMG' is okay but when people start saying "OMG, STFU joo Noob" I start to think that they can't spell.
What do you guys think about it.

philby4000
29 Oct 2007, 01:37
I prefer comunicating in a way that doesn't take longer to comprehend than write.

Pickleworm
29 Oct 2007, 01:48
I think it's appropriate for the medium it was constructed for, it's much more difficult to type "Dear John, I'm curious if you will be picking me up after Honors Biology II at 2:08 PM?" than "cn u pik me up aftr skool" in a hurry, but it's not intended for writing on internet forums or other forms of computer communication where fast typing is not necessary (if you are a slow typer, I'd say it was ok to type on MSN or AIM like this (as long as you aren't talking to me)).
You wouldn't use the NATO phonetic alphabet in real life but pilots don't get a bad rap for saying it

quakerworm
29 Oct 2007, 02:44
You wouldn't use the NATO phonetic alphabet in real life but pilots don't get a bad rap for saying it
lima oscar lima, over.

poninja
29 Oct 2007, 02:49
i talk like that xD sometimes but just to be funny not like ''LOLOOL you n00b''

Akuryou13
29 Oct 2007, 03:05
as the others have said, it's all about where you're doing it.
I wouldn't expect someone to post on a message board tlkn lk ths cuz its stupd n hrd 2 rd, but if I got a text message like that I would accept it, since that's what it was intended for. codes are useful for certain places, but not in public. at work I can expect someone to call over the radios "Hotel 1 10-14 front desk to ASW2" but if someone walks up to me on the street talking like that I would either have to run away in fear or punch them for being crazy. :p

Zero72
29 Oct 2007, 07:13
Shorthand is acceptable in IM conversations and other such informal places, but it bugs me on forums. I'm reminded of a certain nameless member here who kept abbreviating "yeah" into "yh." What the hell is that. It's two extra characters. Spare another second and type them.
If you're regularly using common shorthandisms in real life conversation, destroy your computer immediately.

thomasp
29 Oct 2007, 10:35
Text talk should be (and is!) prohibited on internet forums - not everybody has English as their first language and finds English hard enough to read when stuff's written out in full. And considering how much of a struggle it is for people with English as their first language to understand text talk, it should be banned :p

Plasma
29 Oct 2007, 11:23
I'll only find txt tlk acceptable for text messages, and even then it depends on how much they use it.
But it's still much better than completely mangled spelling!
For instant messaging, I'll accept not capitalising, but that's it.
"OMG, STFU joo Noob"
That's not text talk. That's someone trying to be l33t. For example, nobody would type 'joo' for 'you' if they wanted it to be short.

Paul.Power
29 Oct 2007, 18:24
I dislike it. Oh, I'll use LOL because it's tricky to convey laughter via text, and I'm a big fan of IIRC because "If I Recall Correctly" takes a long time to say, let alone type.
But I tend to type out text messages on phones with correct grammar, and even endeavour to do so in IM. So of course I'll do it on a forum.

Plasma
29 Oct 2007, 18:36
I dislike it. Oh, I'll use LOL because it's tricky to convey laughter via text, and I'm a big fan of IIRC because "If I Recall Correctly" takes a long time to say, let alone type.
In other words, you're fine with acronyms.

Paul.Power
29 Oct 2007, 18:40
In other words, you're fine with acronyms.
Technically, IIRC is an initialism. LOL's an acronym though, because you can pronounce it.
EDIT: Lol is also the Dutch word for amusement, apparantly, which is kinda fitting.

AndrewTaylor
29 Oct 2007, 19:00
I prefer comunicating in a way that doesn't take longer to comprehend than write.
That's the problem I have -- in a text it's fine because it might save you 30 seconds and take the other person 10 to decode, so that's fine. On a forum that 10 seconds is multiplied by a hundred users and then you're just being a jerk.

Pickleworm
29 Oct 2007, 19:04
Yeah I wasn't trying to advocate actually speaking in text talk
The one time I went into the school's computer lab for something that wasn't class related I heard a kid say "rofl" and "roflmao" and I just booked it

Plasma
29 Oct 2007, 21:17
Technically, IIRC is an initialism. LOL's an acronym though, because you can pronounce it.
An acronym has to be pronouncable? I never knew that.
Hm. According to Wiktionary, it's... both?
1. An abbreviation formed by (usually initial) letters taken from a word or series of words, and which is itself pronounced as a word, such as RAM, radar, or scuba; sometimes contrasted with initialism.
2. Any abbreviation so formed, regardless of pronunciation, such as TNT, IBM, or XML.
Well, that's, umm... that's, err... nice?

yakuza
29 Oct 2007, 21:28
One of the main reasons it's okay to use that style of writting via mobile phone messages it's because it allows you to save money. Myself, I'm fine with things such as "AFAIK" in some cases.

Paul.Power
29 Oct 2007, 22:19
An acronym has to be pronouncable? I never knew that.
Hm. According to Wiktionary, it's... both?
1. An abbreviation formed by (usually initial) letters taken from a word or series of words, and which is itself pronounced as a word, such as RAM, radar, or scuba; sometimes contrasted with initialism.
2. Any abbreviation so formed, regardless of pronunciation, such as TNT, IBM, or XML.
Well, that's, umm... that's, err... nice?
2's a descriptive definition rather than a prescriptive one, though (i.e. enough people say acronym when they mean initialism that it's got into the dictionary)

quakerworm
29 Oct 2007, 22:20
That's the problem I have -- in a text it's fine because it might save you 30 seconds and take the other person 10 to decode, so that's fine. On a forum that 10 seconds is multiplied by a hundred users and then you're just being a jerk.
i never thought of it that way, but this is an excellent point. so what about really small forums?

AndrewTaylor
29 Oct 2007, 22:33
i never thought of it that way, but this is an excellent point. so what about really small forums?
I don't know, I guess forums that size can probably work these things out on their own with minimal bickering, but I figure you need to have about three users before it becomes inconsiderate. If you're sriting something on the internet that fewer than three people will ever read, you'd probably be better off saving yourself the full 90 seconds and keeping it to yourself.

farazparsa
29 Oct 2007, 22:56
Say you were to actually laugh. It's kind-of a different thing to say "Hahahahahahahaahaha," than "Lol," where "Lol," is thought of as just somebody stating "That's funny," and not laughing because of it's overuse.

Paul.Power
29 Oct 2007, 23:08
Say you were to actually laugh. It's kind-of a different thing to say "Hahahahahahahaahaha," than "Lol," where "Lol," is thought of as just somebody stating "That's funny," and not laughing because of it's overuse.
I use "Hehehe" quite a lot in IM, for chuckles mostly. If something makes me laugh properly, "Hahaha". If I'm laughing at something stupid, it's "Lol", "lol" or "LOL"

Akuryou13
30 Oct 2007, 00:01
I use lol just to say "ha ha, that's funny" or if I've chuckled a bit. if I use ROFL or LMAO, then I've actually just bursted into hysterics and am now choking on my own tongue :p

pilot62
30 Oct 2007, 00:14
I don't like saying lol much, as I think it's far overused on forums as a whole. I'll just say heh or something; it get's the same point across.
I have to say though, I find text speak on forums a lot less annoying than people who say 'lol','rofl' or 'gtg' in everyday speech.

quakerworm
30 Oct 2007, 01:08
I have to say though, I find text speak on forums a lot less annoying than people who say 'lol','rofl' or 'gtg' in everyday speech.
something like gtg wouldn't bother me much. abbreviations in general don't. but why say 'lol' or 'rofl'? why not actually laugh? you're right there. people can see and hear that you are laughing. they don't need you to say, 'i am actually laughing out loud' in the abbreviated form to understand it.

FutureWorm
30 Oct 2007, 01:45
Yeah I wasn't trying to advocate actually speaking in text talk
The one time I went into the school's computer lab for something that wasn't class related I heard a kid say "rofl" and "roflmao" and I just booked it
one thing i'm not a big fan of is the kid who sits in the school library and reads naruto fanfiction
at least he doesn't bother anyone about it

yauhui
30 Oct 2007, 08:48
i think its ok to use some txt talk, like:
iirc
lmao
rofl
lol
swt
u
ur
but as long they arent overusing them.
take tal05 for an example of a person overusing them.

MtlAngelus
30 Oct 2007, 09:41
swt
u
ur
tal05
Those need to die. :mad:

yauhui
30 Oct 2007, 10:26
yeah. updated:
swt
u
ur
ure
tal05
chaz07?
ME!
these need to die. :cool:

Melon
30 Oct 2007, 10:32
If somebody says LOL in normal conversation ie. you're actually there talking to them, then deserve to be severely punished.

Paul.Power
30 Oct 2007, 10:50
If somebody says LOL in normal conversation ie. you're actually there talking to them, then deserve to be severely punished.
Unless they're Dutch (see above)

AndrewTaylor
30 Oct 2007, 10:56
swt
See, this one is never okay, because I don't know what the hell it means. I'm a well educated native English speaker. How is a thirteen-tear-old Russian idiot supposed to understand it?

Plasma
30 Oct 2007, 11:30
chaz07?
Oh no no. Chaz07's fine here. Just the other two guys need to die.
If somebody says LOL in normal conversation ie. you're actually there talking to them, then deserve to be severely punished.
I sometimes say it, by accident.

yauhui
30 Oct 2007, 11:39
i always say them. LOL!
See, this one is never okay, because I don't know what the hell it means. I'm a well educated native English speaker. How is a thirteen-tear-old Russian idiot supposed to understand it?
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
put in short, it is used to show that the person is in shock or surprise, e.g.:
"Swt... lol now thats funny"
"swt lolz lmao!"
"zzz swt"
etc.
p.s. zzz is to show that you think something is stupid, boring, lame or simply not right. e.g.
"zzz thats so lame"
"zzz i cant believe ur bro fell down the corridor jz like dat"
"zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" (show that you feel extremely bored or like "ceh!" or "what lar" (all of these are malaysian slang, i cant think of the proper words to use :p) or "what is this crap...")

yakuza
30 Oct 2007, 12:14
i always say them. LOL!
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
put in short, it is used to show that the person is in shock or surprise, e.g.:
"Swt... lol now thats funny"
"swt lolz lmao!"
"zzz swt"
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
Not only the use of the word is stupid but also the abbreviation, if you notice, the letters SWEA (in qwerty keyboards) are all right next to each other.
And just so you know, "ZzZzzZ", means sleeping, and it's decades older than the internet.

Akuryou13
30 Oct 2007, 12:42
i always say them. LOL!
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
put in short, it is used to show that the person is in shock or surprise, e.g.:
"Swt... lol now thats funny"
"swt lolz lmao!"
"zzz swt"
etc.
p.s. zzz is to show that you think something is stupid, boring, lame or simply not right. e.g.
"zzz thats so lame"
"zzz i cant believe ur bro fell down the corridor jz like dat"
"zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" (show that you feel extremely bored or like "ceh!" or "what lar" (all of these are malaysian slang, i cant think of the proper words to use :p) or "what is this crap...")yeah, now those 2? THOSE are exactly the sorts of text talk that everyone hates. anyone who's ever used swt or zzz (at least using zzz when meaning boring, that is) needs to be tossed into a large hold and covered with manure. in fact, just take all of them and toss them into the same hole. using crap abbreviations like that is exactly what makes talking on messenger services such a chore.

quakerworm
30 Oct 2007, 13:00
Unless they're Dutch (see above)
if you want to be that precise, you can make the same mistake in english. loll, lolled, and lolling are perfectly acceptable english verbs, and are pronounced exactly the same. you'd have to check context to make sure, or just know the speaker. if a person is going to use one, he's never going to use the other. oh, and the best form is "lollingly".

Akuryou13
30 Oct 2007, 13:16
if you want to be that precise, you can make the same mistake in english. loll, lolled, and lolling are perfectly acceptable english verbs, and are pronounced exactly the same. you'd have to check context to make sure, or just know the speaker. if a person is going to use one, he's never going to use the other. oh, and the best form is "lollingly". so you're saying that lol, lolled, and lolling are all pronounced the same?!
I must have missed the grammer memo that announced that "ed" and "ing" are not silent. *goes off to check his e-mail's spam filter*

Paul.Power
30 Oct 2007, 13:36
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
put in short, it is used to show that the person is in shock or surprise, e.g.:
"Swt... lol now thats funny"
"swt lolz lmao!"
"zzz swt"
See now, my initial interpretation of "swt" was "sweet!", as in, "I say, that's rather nifty!". This is what can happen if you remove all the vowels from a word.
"Swt" also sounds vaguely Welsh (and would be pronounced "soot"), so that's an extra layer of confusion for those of us west of the border.
Stuff about the verb "to loll"
Fair enough. There is a bit of a difference in that the context is not the same, but it would be the same in Dutch (although saying that, what's Dutch for "laugh out loud"?)

Plasma
30 Oct 2007, 13:39
See now, my initial interpretation of "swt" was "sweet!", as in, "I say, that's rather nifty!". This is what can happen if you remove all the vowels from a word.
That's what I thought too.
Actually, Yauhui's 'words' seem more of a local-only thing, and wouldn't be recognised outside of his area.

gramrnatze
30 Oct 2007, 14:34
I use 'lol' and stupid memes/catchphrases on MSN sometimes, but only with people I've known for years. Whoever uses u as a word and tlks liek dis while making serious, non-ironic forum posts is a retard.

yakuza
30 Oct 2007, 14:39
I use 'lol' and stupid memes/catchphrases on MSN sometimes
That totally suits your nickname.

AndrewTaylor
30 Oct 2007, 16:22
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
put in short, it is used to show that the person is in shock or surprise, e.g.:
"Swt... lol now thats funny"
"swt lolz lmao!"
"zzz swt"
etc.
Here in England, we have a delightful thing called an Exclamation Mark. I'm given to understand the Yanks have their own less sensibly named version of this. But the point is that this thing can express shock using only two keystrokes and doesn't require the reader to be your particular kind of IRC nerd.
Although to make it work, you do have to avoid appending fifty of them to every sentence no matter how mundane your statements. That kind of swamps its magic.
Edit: Also, you can't use one 'word' for that many different emotions. Can you not see how that might cause confusion? This really bothers me about text-speak, too: people just use "lol", or "swt" (apparently) so ubiquitously that they lose all of what little meaning they ever possessed, and you end up never having any idea what's going on in anyone's heads.
We have direct choice between a language evolved over millenia by billions and billions of people, and a language invented in half an hour by a group of people who never leave their rooms and rarely discuss anything that requires any emotion or sentiment to be expressed. I know which I'll be using. Until someone shows me any work of passable literature in text-speak, anyway.

Paul.Power
30 Oct 2007, 17:17
Until someone shows me any work of passable literature in text-speak, anyway.
izis a dagr wch i c b4 me, d hndl twrds mi hnd???/ lol
Yes, sorry about that.

Kelster23
30 Oct 2007, 17:50
i always say them. LOL!
swt is the short for "sweat" which isnt the kinda sweat excreted when you exercise. It refers to those big water droplets mainly drawn in japanese manga. you use them when you are trying to express the thought of a particular person, may it be you or someone else, such as akwardness, weird or uneasy, etc. or sometimes "what the--".
I honestly thought it meant sweet.
That's the thing with Text Shorthand. One little group of no vowels can mean so many different things.
When random people add me on msn, and start typing like "hw r u" I start thinking they have spelling problems. Or are just to damn lazy to bother to learn how to type properly and in fuller words. It kinda makes me mad, actually.
On abovetopsecret forums, they get mad at you for making posts with txt shorthand. (Everytime you go to make a post, it says that right underneath)
I agree with Thomasp. :)
Another thing: Some people need to learn how to use punctuation, and in some cases, the space bar.

yakuza
30 Oct 2007, 17:56
Another thing: Some people need to learn how to use punctuation
:( :(

Alien King
30 Oct 2007, 18:19
I avoid using it anywhere. Seeing as I seldom text, this isn't too difficult.
IM conversations I accept, but it can be a pain to understand someone when they use short-hand were several totally different meanings could be conveyed.
It's worse when english is not their first language.
People should be banned for using shorthand on forums.
And anyone, regardless of context, should be hung drawn and quarted if they actually say any Internet or text short-hand.

pieman280
30 Oct 2007, 21:36
I use LOL and sometimes maybe one or two other things. another thing that's good for some text talk is pictochat.
some people on youtube can't spell like this guy named "WHENMUDSTANDSONEDGE" (yes, it's a very weird username) and he types almost every thing in text talk!
If somebody says LOL in normal conversation ie. you're actually there talking to them, then deserve to be severely punished.
Well I use it if I'm telling a joke that I saw off the Internet and the guy who came up with the joke used lol. Other then that I have no problem with saying "that's funny" in a joke someone's telling me.
izis a dagr wch i c b4 me, d hndl twrds mi hnd???/ lol
Yeah, that's the type of talk that takes me five minutes to Decode... AND I STILL CAN'T READ IT ALL!!!
:( :(
Don't worry, I don't think Kelster was talking to you. I never pay attention to punctuation much, but I think you have your punctuation right.

yakuza
30 Oct 2007, 21:52
Don't worry, I don't think Kelster was talking to you. I never pay attention to punctuation much, but I think you have your punctuation right.
You completely missed the point.
Also, for anyone that isn't a native English speaker there's this little tool called "Google Toolbar", it has a very nice built in spell checker that you can use when typing in forms, including forums, just a click and it spell checks your whole post, use it.

SupSuper
30 Oct 2007, 22:47
On internet forums and other "public" places I use standard spelling, with the occasional acronym and emoticon as appropriate.
On IMs and chatrooms I dump capitalisation and occasional symbols so I'll type faster.
On SMS or other small mediums I use abbreviations and texttalk as necessary so the message fits without getting charged extra as well as typing fast.

AndrewTaylor
30 Oct 2007, 23:42
I have a decent phone tarriff so I don't have to worry about length, so I type peroperly. It's faster with predictive text.

Paul.Power
31 Oct 2007, 00:26
Yeah, that's the type of talk that takes me five minutes to Decode... AND I STILL CAN'T READ IT ALL!!!
"Is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle towards my hand?" - Macbeth.

quakerworm
31 Oct 2007, 01:56
so you're saying that lol, lolled, and lolling are all pronounced the same?!
I must have missed the grammer memo that announced that "ed" and "ing" are not silent. *goes off to check his e-mail's spam filter*
context, man. context. lol and loll are pronounced the same, if you are the kind of person who actually says lol.
izis a dagr wch i c b4 me, d hndl twrds mi hnd???/ lol
somebody needs to re-do the rest of macbeth in this style. unfortunately, i have a feeling, more people would end up reading it that way.

Akuryou13
31 Oct 2007, 08:48
Here in England, we have a delightful thing called an Exclamation Mark. I'm given to understand the Yanks have their own less sensibly named version of this. assuming you're refering to "!" (and it sounds like you are) then I was always told it's an exclamation mark
context, man. context. lol and loll are pronounced the same, if you are the kind of person who actually says lol.what the hell is loll?! I assumed it was a typo

_Kilburn
31 Oct 2007, 08:55
izis a dagr wch i c b4 me, d hndl twrds mi hnd???
Is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle towards my hand?
Yeah, that's the type of talk that takes me five minutes to Decode... AND I STILL CAN'T READ IT ALL!!!
Come on, it's not that hard. At least, I can understand it (took me 30 seconds to decode) even though English is not my native language. But I don't think anyone would be able to decode real French text-speak. It's just... horrible. :p

Akuryou13
31 Oct 2007, 09:01
Come on, it's not that hard. At least, I can understand it (took me 30 seconds to decode) even though English is not my native language. But I don't think anyone would be able to decode real French text-speak. It's just... horrible. :pok, half of the french language is vowels. you can't DO french text speak, unless you're just omiting consonants half the time :p

_Kilburn
31 Oct 2007, 09:10
Well, it's not exactly text-speak, then. It's even worse than that.
Because half of the vowels are missing. :p

yauhui
31 Oct 2007, 10:05
"ZzZzzZ" means sleeping
yes, i know. thats why i said "to show boredom" and that means you are so bored you feel sleepy. happy?
You completely missed the point.
Also, for anyone that isn't a native English speaker there's this little tool called "Google Toolbar", it has a very nice built in spell checker that you can use when typing in forms, including forums, just a click and it spell checks your whole post, use it.
mozilla firefox has built-in spell checker.

Paul.Power
31 Oct 2007, 10:08
what the hell is loll?! I assumed it was a typo
To loll:
1. to lie or sit about lazily; to lounge or sprawl.
2. said of the tongue: to hang down or out.
Source: Chambers online.

Akuryou13
31 Oct 2007, 11:32
To loll:
1. to lie or sit about lazily; to lounge or sprawl.
2. said of the tongue: to hang down or out.
Source: Chambers online.holy crap that's a word. :p

yakuza
31 Oct 2007, 13:45
yes, i know. thats why i said "to show boredom" and that means you are so bored you feel sleepy. happy?
I'm not happy because there is no connection between boredom and sleepiness, it's all in your imagination, probably from watching silly cartoons and reading crap comics.

quakerworm
31 Oct 2007, 14:29
what the hell is loll?! I assumed it was a typo
if you are lost, check the map
http://www.dictionary.com
http://www.wikipedia.org
http://www.google.com

philby4000
31 Oct 2007, 15:31
If you are late, read the thread.
To loll:
1. to lie or sit about lazily; to lounge or sprawl.
2. said of the tongue: to hang down or out.
Source: Chambers online.

quakerworm
31 Oct 2007, 15:52
If you are late, read the thread.
how is it that you manage to miss a point of every single post? yeah, i saw that paul has already defined the word. i do actually read threads, and think about what is written. foreign concept to many, i know. but it is of much more use to convey the message that this information is always available to be looked up. if every time akuryou runs into a word or concept he doesn't know, he has to make a post on a forum asking about it, he's going to be in rather bad shape. why encourage him?

Plasma
31 Oct 2007, 16:03
Another thing: Some people need to learn how to use punctuation
Aku learned that out the hard way...
Yes, I am fully aware of what I have just done, and as such I have read through the thread.

philby4000
31 Oct 2007, 17:16
how is it that you manage to miss a point of every single post?
Why must you always make your point so opague?
Back on topic (what little there is) is 'lol' pronounced the same as 'loll'?
I always read 'lol' with a shorter 'o' sound.

AndrewTaylor
31 Oct 2007, 18:34
Why must you always make your point so opague?
Back on topic (what little there is) is 'lol' pronounced the same as 'loll'?
I always read 'lol' with a shorter 'o' sound.
Then yes, since "loll" is pronounced with a short 'o'. And "opaque" is spelled with a Q.

Akuryou13
1 Nov 2007, 00:08
how is it that you manage to miss a point of every single post? yeah, i saw that paul has already defined the word. i do actually read threads, and think about what is written. foreign concept to many, i know. but it is of much more use to convey the message that this information is always available to be looked up. if every time akuryou runs into a word or concept he doesn't know, he has to make a post on a forum asking about it, he's going to be in rather bad shape. why encourage him?my aren't we intelligent?
this is a thread about text speak. rofl, lmao, txt, lol, and every other word that's been a point of discussion on this thread is not in the dictionary. why the HELL would I look up loll when everything else has been an acronym of some form?
edit: if you didn't notice "holy crap that's a word" would signify my shock that it was a word rather than an acronym.

quakerworm
1 Nov 2007, 01:13
Why must you always make your point so opague?
because i shouldn't need to explain things that can be inferred from other information easily available to you. now, if andrew taylor will start complaining that my point is opaque, then it really is my fault for either not explaining my point well enough, or being plain wrong.

Akuryou13
1 Nov 2007, 01:26
because i shouldn't need to explain things that can be inferred from other information easily available to you. now, if andrew taylor will start complaining that my point is opaque, then it really is my fault for either not explaining my point well enough, or being plain wrong.but, there wasn't any informaton that he could have inferred your meaning from. you simply posted 3 links that provided information already given in this thread. doing so makes it look like you simply read my post and responded to it without continuing to read the rest of the thread. he, therefore, said as much. your point was apparently that I could've simply looked it up (though I've explained why that was untrue), but you didn't say that, hence your point was opaque.

quakerworm
1 Nov 2007, 01:36
yes, he couldn't have known that i have read the post. however, the information i posted is much more general than the previous reply, and, therefore, there was no reason to assume that i have not read that reply either.

Pickleworm
1 Nov 2007, 01:46
This thread exhausted all points of conversation on the 1st page but with quakerworm &c. gypsy magic it will no doubt reach double digits and be a perennial on the OO frontpage

Akuryou13
1 Nov 2007, 01:50
yes, he couldn't have known that i have read the post. however, the information i posted is much more general than the previous reply, and, therefore, there was no reason to assume that i have not read that reply either.yes, based on your post's complete lack of reference to any post beyond mine, and the fact that you restated information that was already posted, he definitely had reason to assume you hadn't read beyond my post.

quakerworm
1 Nov 2007, 03:17
and the fact that you restated information that was already posted
that is simply false, which renders your entire argument useless. care to try again?

FutureWorm
1 Nov 2007, 04:06
I use 'lol' and stupid memes/catchphrases on MSN sometimes, but only with people I've known for years. Whoever uses u as a word and tlks liek dis while making serious, non-ironic forum posts is a retard.
i'm glad to hear that, iguana

gramrnatze
1 Nov 2007, 07:47
i'm glad to hear that, iguana
sup internet detective

HackerMan
1 Nov 2007, 11:45
text talk suxor to teh maxxor...

philby4000
1 Nov 2007, 15:36
g kinda looks like q. :o
yes, he couldn't have known that i have read the post. however, the information i posted is much more general than the previous reply, and, therefore, there was no reason to assume that i have not read that reply either.
I'm sorry for inferring that your post indicated ignorance of paul's post, rather than reading it as if you were an arrogant ********.
Happy?

Oft99
1 Nov 2007, 17:53
Txt Spk is fine if it's used in mobile phone texting or on an MMO. Anyone who uses it anywhere else will be fed to wolves. Period.

MtlAngelus
1 Nov 2007, 19:17
To loll:
1. to lie or sit about lazily; to lounge or sprawl.
2. said of the tongue: to hang down or out.
Source: Chambers online.
Ah. I allways wondered about that word since I saw it in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in that part where the Vogon's are reading poetry to Arthur and Ford.

pilot62
1 Nov 2007, 20:20
While we're on the subject of how to post on forums, why are so many people incapable of using capital letters?

quakerworm
1 Nov 2007, 21:18
I'm sorry for inferring that your post indicated ignorance of paul's post, rather than reading it as if you were an arrogant ********.
Happy?
content.
While we're on the subject of how to post on forums, why are so many people incapable of using capital letters?
don't know about anyone else, but for me it's just a habbit. should i start to capitalize properly?

SupSuper
1 Nov 2007, 23:01
While we're on the subject of how to post on forums, why are so many people incapable of using capital letters?It's usually easier to not use Shift.
I do it as a joke post.

FutureWorm
1 Nov 2007, 23:38
While we're on the subject of how to post on forums, why are so many people incapable of using capital letters?
because we are 2 legit 2 quit

pieman280
2 Nov 2007, 01:17
While we're on the subject of how to post on forums, why are so many people incapable of using capital letters?
Sometimes I use capital letters on every word and some times I never use them. it all depends on what mood I'm in.

Pigbuster
2 Nov 2007, 04:53
I avoid using it anywhere. Seeing as I seldom text, this isn't too difficult.
IM conversations I accept, but it can be a pain to understand someone when they use short-hand were several totally different meanings could be conveyed.
It's worse when english is not their first language.
People should be banned for using shorthand on forums.
And anyone, regardless of context, should be hung drawn and quarted if they actually say any Internet or text short-hand.
IIRC, didn't you use to say "u" all the time? :p

FutureWorm
2 Nov 2007, 22:34
IIRC, didn't you use to say "u" all the time? :p
alien king was the worst poster for a while actually

yauhui
3 Nov 2007, 08:16
my friend used 2 call ladies PHAT (pronounced FAT)
P retty
H ot
A nd
T empting
i learned that not long ago.
:omg:omg:
i also learned FAT
F it
A ttractive
T empting
well, err... i dont seem to make any point here.

Xinos
3 Nov 2007, 10:44
I never use shorthand talk like "c u later m8", not even if I'm in a hurry or writing a phone message. I'm a very fast typer so I don't need a quicker way to get words down. I just think all that talk is annoying to read, and it looks childish. Especially numbers instead of words, that's really annoying.. *glares at yauhui*
:)

HackerMan
9 Nov 2007, 11:28
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
who ever can decrypt this message, trully understands L33t.

yauhui
9 Nov 2007, 13:00
eteet kiss linas leet <?> tot?
meh. :p

Run
9 Nov 2007, 14:33
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
who ever can decrypt this message, trully understands L33t.
hahahahah you got banned from gtagaming.com

Akuryou13
9 Nov 2007, 14:54
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
who ever can decrypt this message, trully understands L33t. eteet be linas leet i tot?
seriously, that's what it says. there's no "deep understanding" of 1337 that only a few understand.
edit: and if there is, and I'm mistaken, then I seriously feel sad for anyone who has ever known the difference....

wormthingy
9 Nov 2007, 22:16
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
who ever can decrypt this message, trully understands L33t.
hmm.. even with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet I can't make anything of it. Guess I don't trully understand 1337...:(
EDIT:
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
Elite ... lines leet .... lol ?

Akuryou13
10 Nov 2007, 01:23
EDIT:
37337 >3 lin45 l33t <i> 707
Elite ... lines leet .... lol ? no, 7 isn't L. that would make absolutely no sense, and would be too confusing for anyone to decipher 1337 in the first place. although if that's what he thought, that would explain the message more clearly.

Plasma
10 Nov 2007, 14:03
Hmm...
How about we just all agree that HackerMan's just making up stuff to sound like he knows more than us, and wait for him to not post what it really means.

Paul.Power
10 Nov 2007, 16:43
"lin45" sounds like a trigonometric operation.

thomasp
10 Nov 2007, 17:11
Hmm...
How about we just all agree that HackerMan's just making up stuff to sound like he knows more than us, and wait for him to not post what it really means.
That won't be happening for a while :p
"lin45" sounds like a trigonometric operation.
Sadly, I thought a similar thing. I thought the 'n' was a typo for 'm', referring to the limit operator

Plasma
10 Nov 2007, 17:40
Sadly, I thought a similar thing. I thought the 'n' was a typo for 'm', referring to the limit operator
Myself, I kept thinking it was ln, for natural log.

Paul.Power
10 Nov 2007, 17:52
Maybe it's a special combination of sine, natural log and the limit operator that only the true understanders of 1337 can comprehend.

SupSuper
10 Nov 2007, 18:02
So, it's a lim x->n ln (sin 45n)?

Plasma
10 Nov 2007, 18:12
So, it's a lim x->n ln (sin 45n)?
lim x->n would require at least one x in the formula. Perhaps you mean lim n->x?

Paul.Power
10 Nov 2007, 18:14
lim x->n would require at least one x in the formula. Perhaps you mean lim n->x?
It's nonsense even if you do that, though. Sin 45n is cyclic.

Plasma
10 Nov 2007, 18:32
It's nonsense even if you do that, though. Sin 45n is cyclic.
Damn, you're right. Didn't spot that.

quakerworm
11 Nov 2007, 23:39
It's nonsense even if you do that, though. Sin 45n is cyclic.
that merely tells you that an infinite limit does not exist. there is still a finite limit. for example lim x->0 of sin(x)/x = 1, despite sin(x) being cyclic.

AndrewTaylor
11 Nov 2007, 23:51
that merely tells you that an infinite limit does not exist. there is still a finite limit. for example lim x->0 of sin(x)/x = 1, despite sin(x) being cyclic.
Yeah, but sin(x)/x isn't cyclic, whereas sin(45x) patently is.
lim x->inf sin(x)/x = 0
I suppose you can define lim x->n sin(45x) for all finite n if you really feel the need, but it will always equal sin(45n), so it's not really a limit in any meaningful sense.

quakerworm
12 Nov 2007, 03:57
ok, i shouldn't have tried getting fancy with the example. but the finite limits of sin(x) still exist. lim x->0 sin(x) = 1, lim x->3*pi/2 sin(x) = -1. etc.

AndrewTaylor
12 Nov 2007, 10:15
Yeah, but they're stupid things to define. That's like defining five as lim x->7 (5) and defining seven as sum (i=1) (7).

Run
12 Nov 2007, 14:33
oh look a thread about maths

Plasma
12 Nov 2007, 15:03
lim x->0 sin(x) = 1
Try again...

SupSuper
12 Nov 2007, 15:19
It was supposed to be nonsense to put an end to the math topic. I really should remember what forum I'm in. But hey, have at it:
> Limit[Log[Sin[45 n]], n -> Infinity]
Log[Interval[{-1, 1}]]

quakerworm
12 Nov 2007, 22:38
Try again...
that's what happens when you make posts like this in the middle of the night. sin(0) becomes 1 for some reason. let me try again.
take a unit circle on cartesian plane centered at the origin. cast a ray from origin through the unit circle to make a counter-clockwise angle of theta with the x-axis. drop the projection from the point of intersection onto the x-axis. clearly, the intercept x=cos(theta) and the height of the intersection above x-axis is y=sin(theta).
unit circle provides restriction x^2+y^2=1.
change in theta provides movement along the arch, so that: d(theta)^2=dx^2+dy^2
we get the system:
(dx/d(theta))^2+(dy/d(theta))^2=1
x^2+y^2=1
or
(dx/d(theta))^2+(dy/d(theta))^2 = x^2+y^2
using the property (a-b)*(a+b) = a^2-b^2, (-1)^2=1, and i^2=-1, we rewrite the above.
(dx/d(theta)+i*dy/d(theta))*(dx/d(theta)-i*dy/d(theta))=
=(i*x-y)*(-i*x-y)
a solution exists in form:
dx/d(theta)+i*dy/d(theta)=i*(x+i*y)
dx/d(theta)-i*dy/d(theta)=(-i)*(x-i*y)
or
d(x+i*y)/d(theta)=i*(x+i*y)
d(x-i*y)/d(theta)=(-i)*(x+i*y)
exp(t) is defined so that d(exp(t))/dx=exp(t), and exp(0)=1. clearly, d(exp(a*t))=a*exp(t). this allows us to solve above equations.
x+i*y=exp(i*theta)
x-i*y=exp(-i*theta)
or
cos(theta)+i*sin(theta)=exp(i*theta)
cos(theta)-i*sin(theta)=exp(-i*theta)
or
cos(theta)=(exp(i*theta)+exp(-i*theta))/2
sin(theta)=(exp(i*theta)-exp(-i*theta))/(2*i)
so now we can get
sin(0) = (exp(i*0)-exp(-i*0))/(2*i)
sin(0) = (exp(0) - exp(0))/(2*i) = (1-1)/(2*i) = 0/(2*i) = 0
so yeah, sin(0) = 0, so lim x->0 of sin(x) is also 0. sorry about the earlier mistake.

Melon
12 Nov 2007, 22:44
Don't get me wrong here quakerworm, your knowledge of maths is impressive, but that post was just showing off. It really wasn't necessary.

Plasma
12 Nov 2007, 22:48
Don't get me wrong here quakerworm, your knowledge of maths is impressive, but that post was just showing off. It really wasn't necessary.
You don't say, capt-
Oh, wait. I've already used the Captain Obvious one recently. How about:
Hey, you should go on Mastermind. Name: Melon. Specialised subject: The bloomin' obvious.

AndrewTaylor
12 Nov 2007, 23:40
Alright, that's it. I'm officially calling an end to this maths "discussion". Any more will be deleted.

pieman280
12 Nov 2007, 23:54
alright back on topic.
I see some of the newer guys start to use "u" a lot.

quakerworm
12 Nov 2007, 23:59
but that post was just showing off.
my work here is done.

Paul.Power
13 Nov 2007, 00:00
My driving instructor goes to the opposite extreme sometimes. He once signed off a text message as "digit and joint of leg" (have a guess what his name is)

Pigbuster
13 Nov 2007, 00:58
"digit and joint of leg" (have a guess what his name is)
Knuckle-knee?
If that isn't it, it should be.

Akuryou13
13 Nov 2007, 02:21
it's TONY!! :D

Run
13 Nov 2007, 10:15
alright back on topic.
I see some of the newer guys start to use "u" a lot.
well it is a pretty crucial letter
for example,

Paul.Power
14 Nov 2007, 14:36
it's TONY!! :DPoint for Akuryou. And I don't hand points out very often.

Akuryou13
14 Nov 2007, 14:45
Point for Akuryou. And I don't hand points out very often.and now I've put a special note in my sig, I feel so special :)

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