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-Alucard-
8 Mar 2007, 08:27
I cant get over any edge at all :( Any tips? It should be no problem controlling the rope with the controller....this is very disappointing

Karma Bum
8 Mar 2007, 08:33
Use the jetpack?

Sectus
8 Mar 2007, 12:11
Well, the rope isn't identical to the older games. It seems retracting the rope no longer adds momentum. It's still possible to get unnaturally large momentum by bouncing back and forth in a small space though.

Lagster
8 Mar 2007, 12:44
its been made a lot harder now to get above the point of attachment with ninja rope, its still possible and indeed done a couple of the upsidedown vertical climbs .
cant do them with any sort of confidence but i imagine its just getting used to the new timing.

robowurmz
8 Mar 2007, 13:13
I know what's up with the rope. In older worms games, the gravity on the worm that was attached to the rope was lessened, producing the ability to rope straight up, gain momenutum by shrinking the rope.etc.
In this one, the gravity remains the same, meaning we can't get much higher than, ooh, 90 degrees?

quakerworm
8 Mar 2007, 13:36
it's not about the gravity. it's about the conservation of angular momentum. when you shrink the rope, you should move faster. of course, there is also the friction, and i have no idea how that behaves, so it's hard to tell if the rope is realistic.

Wrathchild
8 Mar 2007, 13:50
Well, we are talking about worms using ninja ropes, so maybe realism isn't what we're shooting for ;)
It's definitely very hard to get above your attach point, and it's frustrating since it seems to be mostly luck. I saw one person do it in a 3 way game, and that's it. I've never been able to get over the lip.

quakerworm
8 Mar 2007, 15:47
i meant a slightly different kind of realism. it's the, "do things generally look right" realism. if a thrown grenade suddenly changes direction in mid-air, you will say that there is something wrong with that, because it violates your perception of how things should behave. on the other hand, more subtle changes, like using constant force approximation for wind effect, you don't notice, and even though it's not strictly speaking realistic, you accept it as such.
it's this kind of a thing with the rope. i have a feeling that instead of copying the w2 code with conservation of angular momentum, the new code was written with conservation of angular velocity. the difference is subtle to the eye, but if you've played enough with the rope, you feel it right away.

Wrathchild
8 Mar 2007, 16:11
Yeah I was joking with you on the realism part. The roping is considerably changed from previous games. It seems very easy to gain speed swinging back and forth while hanging, but momentum doesn't seem to carry well when moving up the rope.
It's nearly impossible to swing yourself over an object if you're not in a cavern map, so I think the rope will be much less useful in these cases.

gman3_14
19 Mar 2007, 02:10
i dont no y ppl keep complaining about the rope...i think its awsome..i just practiced for one day..i can stand my worm vertical with the rope completely out and just balance..it just takes some practice...at first i wasnt really motivated to play cause i was disappointed with the manuverability..then i thought mabe there is plenty..they just made it a skill to achieve.
jetpacksR4theWEAK

robowurmz
22 Mar 2007, 20:44
By the look of it, your GRAMMAR is weak.
Anyway, what do you mean you got the Ninja Rope vertical? It's impossible beyond WWP, i think. Well, W3D and W4 weren't that bad, but...
Yeah. It has no angular velocity.

worMatty
22 Mar 2007, 20:52
How deductive of you.

gman3_14
23 Mar 2007, 01:46
i completely agree.. my grammar suxx.. it dosent bother me.. say what you want...what i mean by vertical is the rope is on the ground and fully extended verticaly and my worm is on the top..here is a crappy illus...
(worm)
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""g'r'o'u'n'd""
the velocity ist very strong but it can b built up over time and manipulated..one important aspect of roping is to use the joystick and the d-pad at the same time(with both hands)..
jetpacksR4theWEAK

worMatty
23 Mar 2007, 20:05
How the hell did you manage that? We must play together. My gamertag is worMatty.
BTW, you can put "jetpacksR4theWEAK" in your signature by using the User CP, if you want. It's on the forum navbar.

gman3_14
23 Mar 2007, 20:18
BTW, you can put "jetpacksR4theWEAK" in your signature by using the User CP, if you want. It's on the forum navbar.
unusually i was waitn for somone to tell me that...and i already knew..i guess ill do that..
thx..i dont have a camera..else i would photo it..i should mention that u need walls(and/or stuff..i.e.igloo)which isnt a big deal..cause y do u need to rope high if there arent any obstacles in ur way..
jetpacksR4theWEAK(this is the last one)

Haoshiro
23 Mar 2007, 21:02
Actually it's true, the Rope just takes practice because it is so easy to lose momentum.
I've been able to rope over obstacles by going vertical several times.
It does seem impossible at first, but with practice you can do just as crazy ropes as you could in WA/WWP. Most people don't think that, and almost every time I've done it in a match the players gasp "Woah!! I didn't think that was possible!"
Happy Roping all :)

gman3_14
23 Mar 2007, 21:43
i am glad someone else took the time to try and learn and understand the potential of the rope

RebelScum
26 Mar 2007, 16:52
Can someone post a vid? Along with instructions (like "Press Left here" etc.)?

cngodles
29 Mar 2007, 15:53
You just have to swing back and fourth fast, and then right when you want to do it, pull up while your movement is towards the object your shooting for. You will flip up over the object.
Still can't be mastered by me. I'd say 50% success rate.

SpaceInsom
29 Mar 2007, 19:18
It does seem impossible at first, but with practice you can do just as crazy ropes as you could in WA/WWP.
I guess you must have really sucked at roping in WA/WWP then, because there is no way in hell that's not a huge overstatement.

gman3_14
29 Mar 2007, 19:59
I guess you must have really sucked at roping in WA/WWP then, because there is no way in hell that's not a huge overstatement.
:OooooO y so bitter?
he's not saying it's just as easy..u could do the same things..sounds like u dont wanna try anything thats even slighly challenging............................>_<
............................................^u sour
(^^^THIS IS A COMPLETELY UNREALATED TO THE ABOVE^^^......)
it seems games are becoming too easy(or have the choice to play on easy)..u make more money on a game if ppl think they can win and b kewl and it's easy to do..i personally like games that can b mastered(im not making any claims here)
to me.. thats my first rule in game making(which is my ultimate goal..)

SpaceInsom
29 Mar 2007, 21:05
:OooooO y so bitter?
he's not saying it's just as easy..u could do the same things..sounds like u dont wanna try anything thats even slighly challenging............................>_<
............................................^u sour
Did you play rope games online in WA/WWP for years? Do you know what an arch is? How about a dragon? What about a mexi? If not, shut up, and quit typing like a braindead aol user. You don't know what you're talking about. http://www.rrkit.com/tricks.php

gman3_14
29 Mar 2007, 21:32
ur silly :p
...i dont feel like i need to prove anything...
...whats funny is i noe xactly how ur gonna respond to this msg..actually....
...^^^cause of this^^^ur not gonna say what ya would have if i didnt type it..
...having just said that.....OOOooOoooooh man this msg is gonna Bother YoU!

daleroy
30 Mar 2007, 06:21
ur silly :p
...i dont feel like i need to prove anything...
...whats funny is i noe xactly how ur gonna respond to this msg..actually....
...^^^cause of this^^^ur not gonna say what ya would have if i didnt type it..
...having just said that.....OOOooOoooooh man this msg is gonna Bother YoU!
Learn to use proper English words. Your posts are bloody aweful to try and read.

Haoshiro
30 Mar 2007, 16:57
Did you play rope games online in WA/WWP for years? Do you know what an arch is? How about a dragon? What about a mexi? If not, shut up, and quit typing like a braindead aol user. You don't know what you're talking about. http://www.rrkit.com/tricks.php
Yeah, those can be done. They require a lot more skill now though, as gaining momentum is not only different, but much more difficult.
Of course, most of those can't be tested under normal circumstances since custom maps can't be made...
WA/WWP roping is definitely more fun though, mostly because it is a heck of a lot easier!

gman3_14
30 Mar 2007, 20:51
Learn to use proper English words. Your posts are bloody aweful to try and read.
i dont see y i must meet ur standards...
i wood do gooder but fun it aint...
in RL i mainly communicate by ASL...
but i dun need xplain meself 2u...

worMatty
31 Mar 2007, 00:12
Age, Sex, Location? Or is that an abbreviation of a kind of telepathic communication ability?

Haoshiro
31 Mar 2007, 00:23
Age, Sex, Location? Or is that an abbreviation of a kind of telepathic communication ability?
No no, I'm sure he's referring to Asynchronous Social Linguistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_Social_Linguistics)

gman3_14
31 Mar 2007, 02:58
i dont see y i must meet ur standards...
i wood do gooder but fun it aint...
in RL i mainly communicate by ASL...
but i dun need xplain meself 2u...
i just want to apologize for this post..i feel as though my reaction was sudden and unnecessary(i was in a hurry to go to work..)...plus i exaggerated a bit on the word "mainly"....im more of a beginner..but i feel more comfortable using ASL(american sign language)..
i'm a bit insensitive to people not understanding some things that i type..
due to my logical mindset..it's hard for me to understand why it is hard to comprehend..not everyone thinks the same way i do....
it's almost like middle aged people don't understand leet speak... :/ and i didn't understand how you couldn't understand leet speak...i am slowly accepting this
i have no idea what "Asynchronous Social Linguistics" is

robowurmz
31 Mar 2007, 15:05
You know, you don't have to be middle-aged NOT to understand leet. Anyway, it's a lot less bother actually using grammar. You can carry your point better, AND you dont sound retarded!
:D
I mean, come on, if I put that into leet, look:
U now yu dnt hav 2 b mddle-agd not 2 nderstnd 1337. NEway its a lt less bothr axully using grmmr. u can crry ur pont bttr, AND yu dnt snd returdd.

SpaceInsom
31 Mar 2007, 15:13
You know, you don't have to be middle-aged NOT to understand leet. Anyway, it's a lot less bother actually using grammar. You can carry your point better, AND you dont sound retarded!
:D
I mean, come on, if I put that into leet, look:
U now yu dnt hav 2 b mddle-agd not 2 nderstnd 1337. NEway its a lt less bothr axully using grmmr. u can crry ur pont bttr, AND yu dnt snd returdd.
Exactly. For the record, I understood everything you said, gman. That didn't make it any less painful to read. Most other forums I frequent ban users for typing that crap.

AndrewTaylor
31 Mar 2007, 16:01
i'm a bit insensitive to people not understanding some things that i type..
due to my logical mindset..it's hard for me to understand why it is hard to comprehend..not everyone thinks the same way i do....
it's almost like middle aged people don't understand leet speak... :/ and i didn't understand how you couldn't understand leet speak...i am slowly accepting this
Hold on. You like to communicate by sign language but still spell words phonetically rather than conventionally? That seems crazy to me, but whatever.
The point is that this forum is full of people. Some of them are children. Some are foreign. Some are deaf. Some are idiots. If you type in a strange or lazy way they'll have difficulty understanding you. That means that for you to save a few seconds' typing, everyone else has to spend a lot longer decyphering the post. It's inconsiderate.
My solution to this is simple: if you don't consider your post is important enough to warrant spending five extra seconds typing it out properly, then it's probably not worth people's time to read or Team17's bandwidth to host either.
That last post was fine. Post like that in future. :)

thomasp
31 Mar 2007, 16:46
Following on from Andrew's post: people who don't speak English as a first language may find it hard enough to understand when someone is writing in full prose, so please help them out by not using text-talk. A large number of users on this forum are non-English and therefore don't speak English as a first language - please be considerate towards them.
People will be much more willing to respond to a post if they can actually understand it! Broken English is surprisingly easier to understand (at least from my point of view) than text-talk-English.

gman3_14
31 Mar 2007, 22:29
Hold on. You like to communicate by sign language but still spell words phonetically rather than conventionally? That seems crazy to me, but whatever.
The point is that this forum is full of people. Some of them are children. Some are foreign. Some are deaf. Some are idiots. If you type in a strange or lazy way they'll have difficulty understanding you. That means that for you to save a few seconds' typing, everyone else has to spend a lot longer decyphering the post. It's inconsiderate.
My solution to this is simple: if you don't consider your post is important enough to warrant spending five extra seconds typing it out properly, then it's probably not worth people's time to read or Team17's bandwidth to host either.
That last post was fine. Post like that in future. :)
i'm not deaf..just slightly hard of hearing..it is my prediction that i will be considered hard of hearing later in life...
i feel more comfortable with the structure of ASL..speaking english seems too phonetically based..people will say 'ssup' or 'nah'..i would just type as though someone was speaking to me and i just write exactly what i heard..as far as being inconsiderate..i see your point..people are going to talk and type that way..i would think it was slightly absurd to tell someone to not to speak in thier own dialect because someone was learning the language..
to robowurmz:
u n0 u duN h41v 70 8 m1dd13 493d n07 70 uN6312574nD 1337. n3 w4y 175 4 107 1355 607h312 4c7u411y u51n9 9124m0r. u c4n Cu1212y u12 Pn7. 6377312, uN U dUn 50uNd w37473d.

AndrewTaylor
31 Mar 2007, 22:40
i would think it was slightly absurd to tell someone to not to speak in thier own dialect because someone was learning the language..
Well, that's probably because you don't have so many Geordies over there.

Paul.Power
31 Mar 2007, 23:42
Funny how people are different. I couldn't even bear to type like that, except in parody. Heck, it takes me about ten minutes to type a text message on a mobile* because I will insist on putting all the commas and apostrophes in (I am, however, slowly learning to appreciate predictive texting). That's why I get annoyed when people tell me to text them instead of calling them. If I made an error in a forum post and only spotted it after posting, I would instinctively go back and correct it - I get terribly frustrated if I'm on something like deviantART or 606 and I don't have an Edit button.
I think I just take pride in it. It's something I've always done - I was so good at spelling at primary school, my teacher ended up giving me a list of Greek and Latin prefices and suffices and told me to make up my own words to spell. So I kinda have a thing about spelling.
___
* Incidentally, there's something deeply unsatisfactory about the layout of a mobile phone keypad. S is the seventh most common letter in English, but I have to press a key four times to get it up. I and O are also common, and I have to hit a key three times to get them. That's just not on.

Plasma
2 Apr 2007, 18:24
Spelling things how you hear them is neither a dialect nor a language. It's just bad spelling!
And there's no excuse for bad grammar.
Funny how people are different. I couldn't even bear to type like that, except in parody. Heck, it takes me about ten minutes to type a text message on a mobile* because I will insist on putting all the commas and apostrophes in (I am, however, slowly learning to appreciate predictive texting). That's why I get annoyed when people tell me to text them instead of calling them. If I made an error in a forum post and only spotted it after posting, I would instinctively go back and correct it - I get terribly frustrated if I'm on something like deviantART or 606 and I don't have an Edit button.
I think I just take pride in it. It's something I've always done - I was so good at spelling at primary school, my teacher ended up giving me a list of Greek and Latin prefices and suffices and told me to make up my own words to spell. So I kinda have a thing about spelling.
Seconded, on everything he said. Except for the Greek and Latin prefices part.

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