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Shadowmoon
12 Apr 2008, 14:16
This is my first art thread ever here. I'm actually going to post some art!
Have i improved since my last picture? this is my last picture......
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3269/shockedbastincx1.png
WARNING: I will not be held responsible for bleeding eyes.:p
And a new one.....
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/715/fkshadlm8.png
That, is currently my style. I'd say i've improved a lot.
Any comments? have i improved?

.JeT
12 Apr 2008, 14:31
You have improved, but i personally don't like it. Also, the second worm has two left hands

GnomeMan
12 Apr 2008, 14:33
I would say that is a marked improvement.

Shadowmoon
12 Apr 2008, 14:33
You have improved, but i personally don't like it. Also, the second worm has two left hands
Well, if its because of the square heads, i'm still stuck with the curve tool.
What don't you like about it?
EDIT: Also, do you mean that the little circle should go on the other side of the fist?

.JeT
12 Apr 2008, 14:56
Yes it should. Now, i see you put some more effort on your avatar, (Still theres a small error, maybe two) But the second picture in the first post just has the corners, and a skewed face. I also suggest you draw hands manually, not just a blob or four circles.

Plasma
12 Apr 2008, 15:04
You should use either the circle tool or the line tool for all of it, but not both.

Liketyspli
12 Apr 2008, 17:04
You have improved, yes. But if you draw hands, you should look at your own hands. And in your avatar, the tail is pointing forward, and the head is pointing forward... kind of weird.

Shadowmoon
12 Apr 2008, 17:08
You have improved, yes. But if you draw hands, you should look at your own hands. And in your avatar, the tail is pointing forward, and the head is pointing forward... kind of weird.
I didn't create that.
I made that avatar using BANIWSK, Basti@ns All new incredible worms sprite kit.
EDIT: I'll post another picture later. I'll try and work on the hands a bit more.

Kelster23
12 Apr 2008, 18:53
Tip for hands that I made for myself:
Palms up- thumbs point away
Palms down- Thumbs point towards each other
But other than that... it's too angly for my tastes due to use of line tool, but that can only be fixed by using the pen tool...
Mouses are a handicap.

Shadowmoon
12 Apr 2008, 18:56
Tip for hands that I made for myself:
Palms up- thumbs point away
Palms down- Thumbs point towards each other
But other than that... it's too angly for my tastes due to use of line tool, but that can only be fixed by using the pen tool...
Mouses are a handicap.
I'd use the curl tool, but i'm a little stuck with it.
And i like using the line tool.
I'm practicing with the hands now.

Kelster23
12 Apr 2008, 19:22
I didn't say you had to change it, I just said it's not something I particularly like in art. That's just me though.

Akuryou13
13 Apr 2008, 02:29
technically an improvement (clicked the wrong button for the vote. peg me under "it's still not good"). still nothing close to good.
the swords are ridiculously out of proportion in every way. the worm shape is far too angular to look right. the hands are awkwardly shaped, but that's mostly because you used on the circle tool and made them more like ridiculously skinny sausages. also because you gave him 2 left hands :p try to make the eyes a little more than just circles as well. what I do in vectors is make a circle and then move the 2 side points upward, making the circle skinny on the bottom and fat on top. perhaps try something along those lines.
here are some suggestions outlined in green. these suggestions are done with the line tool and should be well within your capabilities. obviously you should deviate from copying them directly, but something along these lines is what I would suggest you do.

Star Worms
13 Apr 2008, 03:42
I would suggest using the tools less and drawing freehand with the mouse, but yes, you have improved. Just about everything there is drawn using: The line tool, the curve tool or the circle tool. The only things I can see what aren't are the pupils of the eye.
Also, the perspective is wrong. The right eye is bigger than the left even though it's slightly futher in the distance. Given the angle of the mouth, it should also be half obscured by the face/other eye, because the worm is not directly facing the screen, yet the eyes are slap bang in the middle of his face.

Akuryou13
13 Apr 2008, 04:08
I would suggest using the tools less and drawing freehand with the mouse, but yes, you have improved. Just about everything there is drawn using: The line tool, the curve tool or the circle tool. The only things I can see what aren't are the pupils of the eye.if he learned to use the curve tool he could make the shapes do what he intended to. it's not complicated and can save the horribleness of using a mouse as a drawing tool :p granted, this is a per-person basis sort of thing, for all I know he could be better at the mouse.
either way, experiment around with methods other than just the line tool and circle tool.

Kelster23
13 Apr 2008, 05:34
I never did use the line and circle tools. Mine were mouse all the way. Now I have a tablet... where does time go?

Shadowmoon
13 Apr 2008, 08:59
technically an improvement (clicked the wrong button for the vote. peg me under "it's still not good"). still nothing close to good.
the swords are ridiculously out of proportion in every way. the worm shape is far too angular to look right. the hands are awkwardly shaped, but that's mostly because you used on the circle tool and made them more like ridiculously skinny sausages. also because you gave him 2 left hands :p try to make the eyes a little more than just circles as well. what I do in vectors is make a circle and then move the 2 side points upward, making the circle skinny on the bottom and fat on top. perhaps try something along those lines.
here are some suggestions outlined in green. these suggestions are done with the line tool and should be well within your capabilities. obviously you should deviate from copying them directly, but something along these lines is what I would suggest you do.
Right..... yes, in my next picture, i'll make the swords look better, as well as the hands.
I'll also practice with the shape as well.
However, i'm not sure what Angular means.
And i don't have a dictionary.
EDIT: Also, i cannot draw pictures with just the paintbrush. Seriously.

TeDdywoRm
13 Apr 2008, 09:13
One more thing, you shouldn't alwas make the works look like this face: (T_T)
You know what I mean? Try other expressions.:)

Shadowmoon
13 Apr 2008, 11:25
Yes, i know exactly what you mean.;)
Anyway, i now have a scanner! so i may switch on to pencil drawings instead, and work on those.
I can't believe i got a scanner!
I might post scanned pics later.

tgworm
13 Apr 2008, 12:50
BLERGH! Look around the forum and try to imitate other artist's work. {E.g. Splapp, Slick etc etc} As mentioned before, the perspective is off, the general shape of the worm is too spikey, (Think of an actual worm). I don't really agree with Akuryou's previous correction of it and I think this is slightly better. Although, of course, it may well not be due to the fact I spent well under a minute doing it. If used the curved line tool which is so incredibly basic and easy to use so try to get to grips with it. (Y)

Akuryou13
13 Apr 2008, 14:14
BLERGH! Look around the forum and try to imitate other artist's work. {E.g. Splapp, Slick etc etc} As mentioned before, the perspective is off, the general shape of the worm is too spikey, (Think of an actual worm). I don't really agree with Akuryou's previous correction of it and I think this is slightly better. Although, of course, it may well not be due to the fact I spent well under a minute doing it. If used the curved line tool which is so incredibly basic and easy to use so try to get to grips with it. (Y)I wasn't meaning for him to get exactly what my example showed, I just was listing a few things to work on, such as the angular (spikey) body shape. I was showing him an alternative in a similar style that was still very close to what he did. your example stresses the same sort of fixes I was going for, just in a slightly different style. either way it gets the point across.
and btw. dictionary.com works wonders. if you need a translation, go for www.wordreference.com.

Kelster23
13 Apr 2008, 22:20
Well hopefully you'll be able to get some *cough* curved lines with a pencil.

Shadowmoon
14 Apr 2008, 20:36
Well hopefully you'll be able to get some *cough* curved lines with a pencil.
I doubt i won't be able to.
I might post a pencil drawn picture tommorow, scanned.

SupSuper
14 Apr 2008, 21:27
Just don't forget to resize it.

Shadowmoon
23 Apr 2008, 19:45
Just don't forget to resize it.
The scanners not working, so i can't post one at the moment.
Anyway, today i've been using Splapps how to draw a worm tutorial, and i did a worm. That still isn't the perfect shape, but anyway.....
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8236/wormji9.png
Anything that is wrong please tell me, because i want to improve on drawing worms.
Haven't added hands, because i'm working on worm hands right now.

super_frea
23 Apr 2008, 19:50
That's quite a big improvement from your first stuff actually.
It's rather good.
I would say improve the eyes, as if you are trying to replicate Splapp's style the eyes in his worms are wider at the top than the bottom, not a perfect oval. Same for the eyebrows.
Also try improving the shape of the tail, it sort of curves in at the end. And try using some shading.

Shadowmoon
23 Apr 2008, 20:01
Yes, i'm gonna try and use some shading very soon.
I'm also going to expirement with different types of eyes as well. I won't use Splapps eye style, its really the shape i am copying.
Also, i've just looked on the poll again, and i am very shocked to find that some people voted rubbish!
I mean, its not good, but its certainly not rubbish. Its okay-ish.

super_frea
23 Apr 2008, 20:04
Well that's because they voted before that last picture.
Which is, as I said, noticeably better than the others.
The pictures before that were quite bad. No offense.

.JeT
23 Apr 2008, 20:07
I guess i have a shot at fixing the details that makes it a little off. If these are fixed, they would be very good! As super_frea said, make the eyes a diffirent shape, as Splapp stated in the tutorial, make them lung shaped. The way the head is facing also positions the eyes quite off, they should be more to the right side of the head. The wrinkle is also two lines, too. Make them be a fold, Look at a piece of cloth wrinked something, like and L-shaped thing. Look at the fold and try to do it yourself. (Though more simple.)

Plasma
23 Apr 2008, 20:18
That one was a LOT better, Shadowman. But, once again, you shouldn't use the oval tool except for things that are actually oval in shape!

.JeT
23 Apr 2008, 20:24
Shadowman.
Moon.
I have a tingling sense of seeing this before..
Also, here's a little contribution to shadowmoon for no apparent reason!
Link to picshur! (http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4097/lolshadowmoonvy5.png)

Shadowmoon
23 Apr 2008, 20:31
Moon.
I have a tingling sense of seeing this before..
Also, here's a little contribution to shadowmoon for no apparent reason!
Link to picshur! (http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4097/lolshadowmoonvy5.png)
Lol, i guess.
And Plasma, if you call me Shadowman again, don't be surprised if Shadowman kills you, because he is the one and only Shadowman here.:p
I'm working on the edit now. Having a bit of trouble with the lung shaped eyes.
Sorry for the double post, but i've done the edits.
I couldn't do the eyebrow and eye improvements, and thats because i found it hard. I'm still practicing though.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4977/wormy2bp6.png
I've also changed the pupils, the tail, and the crease.
I am having trouble with the eyes and eyebrow.

poninja
24 Apr 2008, 02:24
a LOT better

Pyramid
24 Apr 2008, 03:06
That's a improvement for sure...
There's not really a rule about the shapes of the eyes and stuff...just go doing many and many doodles 'til you find the one you like the most, then make that one as your style...

Liketyspli
24 Apr 2008, 07:09
Well, maybe you could make the eyes a little bigger, and the eyes are in the middle of the head while the worm is pointing to the left, the eyes should be moved to the left too.

.JeT
24 Apr 2008, 10:48
Yes. It's still too small.
But good improvements on the basic body of the worm.
Very good.

Akuryou13
24 Apr 2008, 14:07
Well, maybe you could make the eyes a little bigger, and the eyes are in the middle of the head while the worm is pointing to the left, the eyes should be moved to the left too.honestly the size looks fine if that's what he was going for. if he like em small like that it looks good enough to keep.
btw, HUGE improvement. very nicely done! eyebrows need to be a bit lower, though. they don't looke right being that high with such small eyes.

Liketyspli
24 Apr 2008, 15:08
honestly the size looks fine if that's what he was going for. if he like em small like that it looks good enough to keep.I ment to say that I think bigger eyes would look better.

Shadowmoon
24 Apr 2008, 17:19
Thanks for all the comments.
Here's an edited version of my picture....
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8990/wormy24aj1.png
From a plain pink worm, to a.... sigworm! that, will be my new sigworm, Which i'll post later.
Experimenting with Body types. Not much change to the shape of the body, mainly its mouth.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/646/bodysetwormsal9.png
EDIT: Might do requests soon.

Metal Alex
24 Apr 2008, 21:59
oh! those bodies have a good proportion. Anyways, try to draw bigger eyes. The eyebrows can go over stuff if you need them to. It's a cartoony style, so it fits.
Also, the "^" on the tail should go where the body and the tail meet.
Last thing, that image is huge, and is screwing with the forum's normal lenght D:

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2008, 01:13
lol, another headband sigworm :p that's like the 50,000th on the forum.
anyway, what sort of shirt thing is that supposed to be? it looks rather like a sock without detail as it is now :p
also, host images on imageshack if they're that large and only post the thumbnail link. makes the images less painful when they're big like that one.

Metal Alex
25 Apr 2008, 01:16
lol, another headband sigworm :p that's like the 50,000th on the forum.
Now that you mention it, that's basically your sigworm with a red headband.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2008, 01:47
Now that you mention it, that's basically your sigworm with a red headband.which is why I asked about the detail of the shirt thing. it would make enough difference to make it obvious who was who.
edit: http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/pointlessusernameofspam/Shadowmoonsig.jpg

shadowman
25 Apr 2008, 01:59
Lol, i guess.
And Plasma, if you call me Shadowman again, don't be surprised if Shadowman kills you, because he is the one and only Shadowman here.:p
I wouldn't be surprised if I killed him either.
But it's okay. Me and plasma are BESTEST FRIENDS! *twitch*
The shape of that worm is great though. Just work on the eyes a tad.

GnomeMan
25 Apr 2008, 04:49
First off I think your worms look pretty cool.
That said, that worm's fingers are freaking me out...they look like a fleshy menorah. I think it is because there are no thumbs just fingers. If he was holding fire the way I'd hold fire, the thumb would be be on the opposite side of the fingers. Unless of course your worm has extra fingers...which would actually be kind of interesting for a sig worm to have.

Metal Alex
25 Apr 2008, 11:29
Talking about the fingers...
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8250/pointqm5.png
That's the point.

.JeT
25 Apr 2008, 12:49
Talking about the fingers...
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8250/pointqm5.png
That's the point.
I lolled.
One point for you.

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 14:21
Talking about the fingers...
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8250/pointqm5.png
That's the point.
I don't get it.
The Fingers, i think i did them a bit too tall. So i'll make them smaller, in my next picture.
Also, i forgot Aku had a grey shirt on his sigworm. I'll change the colour of it now so people don't get confused.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2008, 14:24
I don't get it.
The Fingers, i think i did them a bit too tall. So i'll make them taller, in my next picture.LOL! I get what you meant but what you actually said was hilarious :D
Also, i forgot Aku had a grey shirt on his sigworm. I'll change the colour of it now so people don't get confused. while you're at it, use a different shade for the bandana. or do a pattern or something. generic 255 red is boring :p

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 14:46
Here it is.....
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4359/wormy24edsk2.th.png (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wormy24edsk2.png)
Made a pattern, and changed the colour of T shirt. I'm gonna post my character profile now.
I've also put it on a thumbnail so it doesn't annoy the people who are getting frustrated.

.JeT
25 Apr 2008, 15:09
More like L-shirt am i right :cool:
But it's ok, no worries. I like the worm.
Maybe the colors aren't really me, but it looks diffirent.

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 15:42
More like L-shirt am i right :cool:
But it's ok, no worries. I like the worm.
Maybe the colors aren't really me, but it looks diffirent.
To be honest, i don't like them either. I liked the other version, with the red bandana. There's really nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. It may be boring, but i think it looks better that way.
Also, i'll make the shirt a darker grey.
*runs away to MS Paint*
EDIT: And reds my favourite colour.

Metal Alex
25 Apr 2008, 15:43
I don't get it.
In other words, the fingers look anything except fingers.

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 15:48
In other words, the fingers look anything except fingers.
Well, the fingers are quite hard to draw. But in that case, i'll make them smaller and fatter, and see what it looks like then.

Akuryou13
25 Apr 2008, 16:10
To be honest, i don't like them either. I liked the other version, with the red bandana. There's really nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. It may be boring, but i think it looks better that way.
Also, i'll make the shirt a darker grey.
*runs away to MS Paint*
EDIT: And reds my favourite colour.as I'd said. a different shade would be fine as well. and either way this is just my opinion. feel free to ignore it :p
edit: and as for pattern, a symbol of some sort would work as well. once again, just my opinion that the generic red bandana is over-done.

thomasp
25 Apr 2008, 18:46
Here it is.....
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4359/wormy24edsk2.th.png (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wormy24edsk2.png)
Made a pattern, and changed the colour of T shirt. I'm gonna post my character profile now.
I've also put it on a thumbnail so it doesn't annoy the people who are getting frustrated.
Are you aware that humans have 4 fingers per hand, not 5...? (can't remember how many worms have, might only be 3) You generally can't see the thumb when holding onto something.

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 20:14
I'm really confused here.
Could somebody post a picture, of what the hands should look like when they carry fire?

Plasma
25 Apr 2008, 20:38
I'm really confused here.
There should be three visible fingers on each hand, with the thumb (fourth finger, I guess) behind the fire.

Shadowmoon
25 Apr 2008, 20:41
There should be three visible fingers on each hand, with the thumb (fourth finger, I guess) behind the fire.
Right... i also don't understand what you mean by: behind the fire.
EDIT: I don't understand a lot of things. I often get confused.
EDIT 2: People, when you vote, could you please explain your reasons in this thread. It doesn't take up too much of your time.;)
Thank you. Don't just vote and not say anything.

thomasp
25 Apr 2008, 21:56
I'm really confused here.
Could somebody post a picture, of what the hands should look like when they carry fire?
Pick up a cup or glass and hold it in your hand, like the fire, and go and look in a mirror. You'll see that you can't see your thumb.

Pigbuster
26 Apr 2008, 00:41
I was thinking that it would look something like this, actually:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9905/photo2om6.jpg
The thumb is on the left, thar.
Don't just trace my hand, though. Worms look really weird when their hands are realistic.
Hands are probably one of the hardest things to draw correctly. That's probably why I stylize mine up so much. :p
Also, you should probably do this stuff yourself. If you have a mirror, use it. If you don't, get one and use it.

GrimOswald
26 Apr 2008, 06:03
Here it is.....
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4359/wormy24edsk2.th.png (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wormy24edsk2.png)
Made a pattern, and changed the colour of T shirt. I'm gonna post my character profile now.
I've also put it on a thumbnail so it doesn't annoy the people who are getting frustrated.
I like the colours. :p Though the shirt kind of gives the impression of spandex.
And that is one damn fine hand Pigbuster.

Shadowmoon
26 Apr 2008, 08:46
I still don't get what you mean by the hands... a simple paint picture of the worms hands holding something might help....:confused:
Anyway, forget my other sigworm, i'm sticking with my old one.
Here's a new picture of my old one....
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1941/shadowmoonasog8.png

WormGod
26 Apr 2008, 13:23
You've still not improved because you think my sole opinion really matters.
mutual in-joke
But that was my opinion a while ago - they're pretty good now. If you have the time to try anti-alias, that'd give it the icing on the cake. It works especially in this case, as it seems you like to edit an original picture with other features to make it another picture. Anti-alias might take a while, but it'll make all your (edited) pictures better.

Shadowmoon
26 Apr 2008, 13:25
If you have the time to try anti-alias
Never heard of it. I'll wiki it, i suppose.
EDIT: I don't even get the wikipedia definition.
Anyway... is this how the hand holding something should look?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1442/chocolateyeaheh2.png
Its supposed to be a chocolate bar the hand is holding.

super_frea
26 Apr 2008, 13:58
Yup but move the thumb to the left or right slightly depending on which hand it is.

.JeT
26 Apr 2008, 14:00
Super wermz to de rescoo

Shadowmoon
26 Apr 2008, 14:05
Super wermz to de rescoo
Translation: The worm has a blue S on his t.shirt! so its Super worms to the rescue!:p

.JeT
26 Apr 2008, 14:11
Exactly. One point.

Akuryou13
26 Apr 2008, 14:36
EDIT: I don't even get the wikipedia definition.ok. look at my entry to the paint competition. now look at any of my other drawings on my dA account. notice how the lines are smoother and the colors blend together very (VERY!!!) slightly? that is anti-aliasing.

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 08:49
ok. look at my entry to the paint competition. now look at any of my other drawings on my dA account. notice how the lines are smoother and the colors blend together very (VERY!!!) slightly? that is anti-aliasing.
Okay, maybe i can make the lines smoother but i don't know how. I'm still a noob at using paint.
Anyway, an updated version of my sigworm....
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9733/shadowmoonsiggyri5.png
The hand on the left is supposed to be him clenching his fist.

yauhui
27 Apr 2008, 10:00
Try getting GIMP or something.

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 10:03
Try getting GIMP or something.
I'm thinking of getting photoshop.
Gimp? No. I've tried it already, and its really confusing. Might get photoshop, tho.

.JeT
27 Apr 2008, 10:08
Photoshop is seriously expensive.. unless you..

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 10:10
Photoshop is seriously expensive.. unless you..
Its no more than £50.00 in the UK.
Which is technically, not seriously expensive.
Right now i'm happy with paint. I might get something else in the future....

thomasp
27 Apr 2008, 10:35
Its no more than £50.00 in the UK.
Which is technically, not seriously expensive.
Right now i'm happy with paint. I might get something else in the future....
That's not Photoshop then, unless you're getting it from a really dodgy source... or you're getting a really old version.
This is photoshop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Systems-Inc-Photoshop-CS3/dp/B000O17CQ0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1209288893&sr=8-4
Elements is not Photoshop really. That's a bit like saying Microsoft Works is Microsoft Office.

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 10:37
That's not Photoshop then, unless you're getting it from a really dodgy source... or you're getting a really old version.
This is photoshop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Systems-Inc-Photoshop-CS3/dp/B000O17CQ0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1209288893&sr=8-4
Elements is not Photoshop really. That's a bit like saying Microsoft Works is Microsoft Office.
Argggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! More expensive than a PS3!:eek:
I'm sticking with paint then.:(

Plasma
27 Apr 2008, 10:45
Argggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! More expensive than a PS3!:eek:
I'm sticking with paint then.:(
Learn to use GIMP.

super_frea
27 Apr 2008, 11:20
Anyway, an updated version of my sigworm....
YOU STOLE MY SIGWORMS HAT CHANGED IT TO A T-SHIRT AND THEN REVERSED THE COLOUR SCHEME
Lol I'm just being fussy now...

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 12:28
Ah Well. I tried.:(
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6043/dotjetsterkk7.png
Its supposed to be Jet, and he requested on DA, and i dreaded the moment he would request. Because his sigworm is one of the hardest sigworms i have ever drawn ever. But then i found out it was actually quite easy, its just that gravity gun which is quite hard.
The gravity gun is quite wrong, yes, but the gun was quite hard to draw.

.JeT
27 Apr 2008, 12:55
It's ok, but the marks on the gun and the shoulder is orange...

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 13:00
Learn to use GIMP.
*installs gimp*
Maybe i'll learn properly this time....
It's ok, but the marks on the gun and the shoulder is orange
It looks red to me...
I'll need to practice drawing that gun.

.JeT
27 Apr 2008, 13:06
It looks red to me...
How does this look red? (http://dotjet.deviantart.com/art/JeT-My-sigworm-83140661)
Seriously though

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 13:11
How does this look red? (http://dotjet.deviantart.com/art/JeT-My-sigworm-83140661)
Seriously though
It looks very red.
But that colour i uses said something red, so thats weird...
Also, i'm doing requests now. I might not be ready for it, but it'll be good for me, and it'll give me some practice as well.

Melon
27 Apr 2008, 13:23
Shadowmoon, your art isn't bad for your experience. Your at the sort of level I would expect. GIMP is complicated, and it will help make things faster, but I do not believe that it is necessary for you just yet. If you find Paint easier to use, keep using it for now, because I think learning GIMP now will only slow you down from learning to improve your art first.
So far, it seems to me like you've got a single pose worked out pretty well, but I've got a feeling that you couldn't any other pose without some serious difficulty. If you're looking for great improvements to your art in as short a time span as possible, I think what you should be concentrating on is learning how to properly represent 3D on a picture, and also a few tricks about cartooning. If you can do these, you'll suddenly find that drawing worms becomes a lot easier. General drawing techniques will help you improve much more quickly. You'll still need to spend some time practicing worms, but if you can draw most things to some reasonable standard, then drawing worms will almost come naturally.
There are loads of tutorials on the web, but I find nothing beats a good book. If there's a library near to you, I advise looking to borrow a good drawing book, and set aside some time to practice the stuff in these books. An excellent one I've used is "Action! Cartooning by Ben Caldwell", but that doesn't mean you need to get this book. What I like about that book is that it teaches how to actually draw stuff properly and more lifelike first, before going on to making stuff look cartoony. I cannot measure just how much this book has improved my art, my calculator can't handle numbers that big ;)
You'll need to spend a lot of time practicing if you want to make awesome art, but it's definitely worth it. I honestly believe if you concentrate on improving the right areas, your art will improve 3-fold within the next 3 months. Best to start when you're young and have plenty of free time, I find being able to draw so much fun, and you'll not regret the time spent practicing.
(For the record, my art is still nowhere near the level I want it to be at, but the rate at which I improved when I concentrated on drawing in general cannot be stressed enough.)

Akuryou13
27 Apr 2008, 15:40
(For the record, my art is still nowhere near the level I want it to be at, but the rate at which I improved when I concentrated on drawing in general cannot be stressed enough.)yeah. I purchased 2 how to draw books about 6 months ago or so. since buying those books I've learned to draw infinitely better than before that. I don't actually even use the techinques in the book at all anymore, but the books made me sit and look at things that I hadn't looked at before and notice how things work that I'd never noticed before. when I stumble on a new technique for drawing now I almost always think back to the books I read and realize that one of those had pointed out why the technique works, it just hadn't clicked before, and I can then think back on what the book said and better the technique.
I also would suggest some basic drawing books, but if you just feel like drawing worms, just work on some different poses and such. it helps tremendously.
also, DRAW MEH!
one more thing: if you're looking into buying an art program for a good chunk of money but don't want to fork out the $600 for it, you could look into the program I use, FireWorks. it's half the price, it has slightly fewer options (fewer filters and the inability to do detailed custom brushes are the only toys I've noticed I don't have, but I'm sure there are more), but it's significantly easier to understand how to do the basics. at half the cost of Photoshop, it's really definitely worth the money.

Shadowmoon
27 Apr 2008, 17:05
one more thing: if you're looking into buying an art program for a good chunk of money but don't want to fork out the $600 for it, you could look into the program I use, FireWorks. it's half the price, it has slightly fewer options (fewer filters and the inability to do detailed custom brushes are the only toys I've noticed I don't have, but I'm sure there are more), but it's significantly easier to understand how to do the basics. at half the cost of Photoshop, it's really definitely worth the money.
*looks on amazon*
Adobe Fireworks is £249.99.
I can't really afford progams like these, so i guess i'll have to stick with paint. But i cannot afford progams like Flash, Fireworks or photoshop.
What i wish i'd never done, is threw away my old flash CD that someone gave to me for free 2 years ago. I threw it away because i thought i'd never need it, now i wish i could get it back.:mad:
So i'll have to stick with paint, and melon, yes i'll keep practicing, and i'll also work on new poses too.
And i'm working on Aku now.

Plasma
27 Apr 2008, 17:08
What i wish i'd never done, is threw away my old flash CD that someone gave to me for free 2 years ago. I threw it away because i thought i'd never need it, now i wish i could get it back.:mad:
If somebody suddenly decides to give you a £600 program, I think it's safe to say that it wasn't legal.

Kelster23
28 Apr 2008, 00:01
They've gotten a lot better.
'Ave some hands. And a worm with a small fronthead.

Akuryou13
28 Apr 2008, 01:55
*looks on amazon*
Adobe Fireworks is £249.99.
I can't really afford progams like these, so i guess i'll have to stick with paint. But i cannot afford progams like Flash, Fireworks or photoshop.
What i wish i'd never done, is threw away my old flash CD that someone gave to me for free 2 years ago. I threw it away because i thought i'd never need it, now i wish i could get it back.:mad:
So i'll have to stick with paint, and melon, yes i'll keep practicing, and i'll also work on new poses too.
And i'm working on Aku now.well keep in mind that Melon was right. learning a new program wouldn't help you. art programs make good art look better but the paint competition is a great example of the fact that the program doesn't matter, it's the artist. learning to draw in the most basic tools will only make you better when you get a hold of the more advanced ones.

Shadowmoon
28 Apr 2008, 21:00
Ummm... i got flash.
It appears my big cousin has photoshop and flash! he's gave me flash, and its now installed!
So, i've got a new progam. I can't beleive it.:eek:
EDIT: Just briefly tried out the progam. The perfect progam for anti- aliasing. One question though- is there a curve tool? i haven't found one yet.

_Kilburn
29 Apr 2008, 00:14
One question though- is there a curve tool? i haven't found one yet.
Use the line tool, then get back to the selection tool and hover on the line until you get a curve icon under your mouse pointer. Then click and drag to curve it. :)
Once you are used to it, try to do some hand-drawing with the brush tool. Since Flash smoothes automatically whatever you draw, it helps a lot. And drawing with the brush looks a lot better than using lines and curves.
Also, try to learn using layers. They are pretty useful for under-drawing and other stuff.

Shadowmoon
29 Apr 2008, 16:07
Use the line tool, then get back to the selection tool and hover on the line until you get a curve icon under your mouse pointer. Then click and drag to curve it. :)
Once you are used to it, try to do some hand-drawing with the brush tool. Since Flash smoothes automatically whatever you draw, it helps a lot. And drawing with the brush looks a lot better than using lines and curves.
Also, try to learn using layers. They are pretty useful for under-drawing and other stuff.
Thanks.
I'm starting to get used to flash, it is a bit difficult, but not as difficult as the gimp.
Although getting used to hand drawing will take a while.

.JeT
29 Apr 2008, 19:22
Heh. As soon as you get the hang of it, which will be very fast, it'll be easy peasy!
That's what happened to me, anyways.

Shadowmoon
5 May 2008, 10:04
Right, a little announcement.
I'm doing comics now, and working on worms sprites. In fact, i'm doing my first ever comic right now.
Requests will be cancelled- sorry, but i'm working on something even more harder.
My first ever computer drawn comic.
So its comics ahoy from here, folks.
EDIT: Info about my computer comic.
The first one might not be funny, to you. And its a simple newbie comic.
The future comics will be funny, and will include some jokes.

Plasma
5 May 2008, 10:20
The first one might not be funny
The first one never is.

Shadowmoon
5 May 2008, 10:56
The first one never is.
Well, my friend laughed at the comic.
I'll create a new thread for these comics.

iInk
5 May 2008, 17:54
Well, my friend laughed at the comic.
Ah but he's the same age as you.

Shadowmoon
5 May 2008, 17:57
Ah but he's the same age as you.
yeah. 7 Months older.
But soon he won't be tho.
Anyway, new comic created!

Plasma
5 May 2008, 19:04
But soon he won't be tho.
Why, did he figure out how to skip backwards in time?
Anyway, new comic created!
That's a mighty good attempt there, but it feels a little... empty...

Shadowmoon
5 May 2008, 19:05
Why, did he figure out how to skip backwards in time?
I meant 7 months older than me.

Metal Alex
5 May 2008, 22:59
I meant 7 months older than me.
So time passes slower, or faster for you?
I'm curious.

Akuryou13
6 May 2008, 04:06
So time passes slower, or faster for you?
I'm curious.no, really. I want an answer to this one....I REALLY want to know... :confused:

yakuza
6 May 2008, 09:08
I bet he meant that soon they'll be the same age (as in years old).

Akuryou13
6 May 2008, 10:01
I bet he meant that soon they'll be the same age (as in years old).obviously, but that's not nearly as fun.

Shadowmoon
6 May 2008, 16:29
obviously, but that's not nearly as fun.
Me= 4th April 1995
My friend= 4th September 1994
So he's 7 months older than me. He'll be 14 soon, and i won't be fourteen until a little later.
Anyway, Aku's in the works. Its coming soon.

Akuryou13
6 May 2008, 17:11
Me= 4th April 1995
My friend= 4th September 1994
So he's 7 months older than me. He'll be 14 soon, and i won't be fourteen until a little later.yes, we know :p we were laughing at you for the wording, not what you were trying to say.

Shadowmoon
6 May 2008, 17:27
I thought 7 months older than me would be obvious. I say, i am shocked.
Anyway, Akuryou 13...
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9699/akuryou13ow0.png
I'm taking requests still....

super_frea
6 May 2008, 23:08
Requests... :)

Kelster23
7 May 2008, 00:27
Those hands still need some work there.

Shadowmoon
7 May 2008, 09:29
Those hands still need some work there.
Yes, the hands do need work but i also don't get how a cartoon hand holding fire should be drawn.
I'm working on superfrea's request now.

Akuryou13
7 May 2008, 09:30
Yes, the hands do need work but i also don't get how a cartoon hand holding fire should be drawn.simiarly to how you drew them there, but the thumbs shouldn't be visible from that angle. the fingers should also be spaced apart a bit, but that's not as problematic as the thumbs.

Shadowmoon
7 May 2008, 09:46
I'll try and copy Kelsters holding fire hands and see what it looks like then.
Also, i'm gonna try some shading. It may not look right though.
EDIT: I don't know what you mean. Couldn't you provide some kind of drawing, kelsters fire holding hands are hard to get right, and i don't really get it.
EDIT 2: Shaded....
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4188/akuryou13rn7.png
My first ever attempt of shading.

Akuryou13
7 May 2008, 10:14
EDIT: I don't know what you mean. Couldn't you provide some kind of drawing, kelsters fire holding hands are hard to get right, and i don't really get it.get rid of the thumbs. how hard is that to understand?! :-/

Shadowmoon
7 May 2008, 10:28
get rid of the thumbs. how hard is that to understand?! :-/
Right, the thumbs have gone...
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5685/akuryou13jc3.png
EDIT: Superfrea....
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2926/sfreaud3.png

super_frea
7 May 2008, 17:09
Woop!
I like it, however my hat is the wrong way round :p or am i justing trying to be 'G'?
Oh and also my thumb should be on the opposite side of the hand.

Akuryou13
7 May 2008, 17:24
Woop!
I like it, however my hat is the wrong way round :p or am i justing trying to be 'G'?isn't it a sort of floppy smurf hat? how can you tell if it's backwards?
Oh and also my thumb should be on the opposite side of the hand.erm.....no it shouldn't?

super_frea
7 May 2008, 17:27
Because it always flops to the back not the front. Also It's his right hand. What I mean is his thumb should be up a bit it looks like the thumb is on the wrong side.

Akuryou13
7 May 2008, 17:34
Because it always flops to the back not the front. Also It's his right hand. What I mean is his thumb should be up a bit it looks like the thumb is on the wrong side.up a bit, yes, but if it were on the other side it would be some sort of mutant thumb growing out of the back of the hand.

Shadowmoon
7 May 2008, 19:57
Woop!
I like it, however my hat is the wrong way round :p or am i justing trying to be 'G'?
Oh and also my thumb should be on the opposite side of the hand.
Your hat is the right way round, according to your shank picture you did in the other thread......

super_frea
7 May 2008, 20:07
I'm facing the other way in that picture shadowmoon...

Shadowmoon
7 May 2008, 20:08
Right okay, i get what you mean now. I'll fix it later.

Kelster23
8 May 2008, 06:13
Get a tablet.

super_frea
8 May 2008, 10:01
I want a tablet actually. Can anyone recommend a decent, not too expensive one?

SgtFusion
8 May 2008, 10:42
Well, you can find laptops with the Windows Tablet operating system on them on eBay for as low as >$200 and <$300 (don't know how much that is in £). At least, I've seen ones which were that cheap.

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 13:44
I'll look into getting a tablet, but not right now. I can't afford it now.
Anyway.... Superfrea.... hat the right way, shaded, and Mouth a bit shorter....
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5016/sfreaoj9.png
And........ worm emotions......
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9579/wormstyleshy6.png

Akuryou13
8 May 2008, 14:05
that is by FAR the blandest looking scared guy ever.
the dentist thing is obviously a copy/paste of the scared worm.

poninja
8 May 2008, 14:53
the yoshi tounge scare me :rolleyes:

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 15:34
that is by FAR the blandest looking scared guy ever.
the dentist thing is obviously a copy/paste of the scared worm.
I was just playing with their mouths, seeing what expression i could make with them.
And by bland, do you mean it doesn't look scared at all?

super_frea
8 May 2008, 16:37
That's more like it ;)
Oh and your scared worm looks more like he's choking on something.

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 16:39
That's more like it ;)
Oh and your scared worm looks more like he's choking on something.
Refer to it as the: Worm Choking on something then.
I just need to know what the eyes would look like for a scared worm.

_Kilburn
8 May 2008, 17:16
First, you should make the eyes wide open. Your worm looks like it is making stupid faces while being really, really bored.

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 17:17
First, you should make the eyes wide open. Your worm looks like it is making stupid faces while being really, really bored.
Right, do you mean the eyeballs or the actually eye shape?

Plasma
8 May 2008, 17:18
The eyes should be bigger while the pupils should be smaller. And it shouldn't have eyelids.

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 17:28
Done.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7046/wormstyleszl7.png
I'd say it looked more scarier now.....
Or should the pupils be a little smaller?

super_frea
8 May 2008, 17:33
Why is his right eye smaller than his left?
Surely it should be the other way round?

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 17:41
Why is his right eye smaller than his left?
Surely it should be the other way round?
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9550/wormstylesdq4.png
Now that you say that.... this way makes it seem more scarier.
So that expression could be the scared one, and maybe if i add freaky red lines that could make the mentally scared expression.`
EDIT: Hang on, you mean the pupils, right?

super_frea
8 May 2008, 17:43
But it doesn't look like it was done intentionally it looks like a mistake.
Edit: No I mean the eyes as a whole

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 17:53
But it doesn't look like it was done intentionally it looks like a mistake.
Edit: No I mean the eyes as a whole
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3558/wormstylesuf2.png
Does it look scared now?

super_frea
8 May 2008, 17:55
Yes but I would also advise looking at the shape of the mouth. It's positioned as though it's only one one half of the face given where the eyes are. You need to expand it widthwise so that it is across the whole face.
And also what is up with that tongue? :p

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 17:59
Yes but I would also advise looking at the shape of the mouth. It's positioned as though it's only one one half of the face given where the eyes are. You need to expand it widthwise so that it is across the whole face.
And also what is up with that tongue? :p
Right, so in other words make the mouth wider, and bigger.
And the tongue.... the worms so scared its poking its tounge out.

super_frea
8 May 2008, 18:06
It looks like someone's shoved a hazardously red pole in his mouth. :p

Shadowmoon
8 May 2008, 18:09
It looks like someone's shoved a hazardously red pole in his mouth. :p
So it doesn't look like a tongue then?
How could i make it look like a tongue?

super_frea
8 May 2008, 18:27
Well first of although it's a cartoon, I don't think the tongue should be quite that big. I don't tend to make the tongues too prominent in most of my pictures, even if they are spose to be frightened. Just look at the tongue on the "shank" picture I did in my thread.
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=648454&postcount=195
If you can stand to look at it without vomiting. :p

TeDdywoRm
8 May 2008, 20:22
Here's my version...
31371
The difference from Super Frea's example is that, there some veins in the eyes, and one eyelid is going up(or whatever it is:p) and there some wrinkles on the eyes.

.JeT
8 May 2008, 21:37
Here's my version...
31371
The difference from Super Frea's example is that, there some veins in the eyes, and one eyelid is going up(or whatever it is:p) and there some wrinkles on the eyes.
Much more dynamic

tal05
8 May 2008, 22:26
Does it look scared now?
For the dear love of god please tell me thats a tongue!
also...
im back

super_frea
8 May 2008, 22:35
Sorry who are you?

tal05
8 May 2008, 22:48
i dont exactly know how to answer that question seening as though you can read my username.
Anyway, i used to go on this forum a couple of months back and cause havoc.
And shadow use a different shape for the tongue

super_frea
8 May 2008, 23:00
Sorry I didn't mean to sound quite so hostile lol I was just trying to remember if I knew you or not.

tal05
8 May 2008, 23:02
No please, its just me
i wasnt quite sure if you were trying to be clever or mock me lol
but now i know your genuine
=]

Akuryou13
9 May 2008, 01:44
I tried to keep this ridiculously simple for you.
a few improvements:

MtlAngelus
9 May 2008, 01:47
See, now it's a pink boomerang shoved into it's mouth, instead of a red pole.

Akuryou13
9 May 2008, 01:52
See, now it's a pink boomerang shoved into it's mouth, instead of a red pole.which is marginally more tongue-like. :p I was going for equally horrible as his style of drawing worms :p

Metal Alex
9 May 2008, 03:18
No please, its just me
i wasnt quite sure if you were trying to be clever or mock me lol
but now i know your genuine
=]
Philby was an old forum member, that made a comeback recently.
And Philby, Tal was also a member, not that old, that started after you left, that just made a comeback too.
Let's have a party!
With cake.

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 04:17
I want a tablet actually. Can anyone recommend a decent, not too expensive one?
This WACOM CTE-440 I have here isn't that expensive. Cost me $160 (Canadian)
A tip for expression: it's not all in the face. Body language is a key factor in any living being's emotion/expression to look right.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 08:05
Right, later i'll try and copy aku's improvements. Shouldn't be too hard.

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:00
Philby was an old forum member, that made a comeback recently.
And Philby, Tal was also a member, not that old, that started after you left, that just made a comeback too.
Let's have a party!
With cake.
YOU SHOULD KNOW THE CAKES A LIE BY NOW!
anyway, thanks for the welcome if it was one.
Nice improvement aku

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:06
Right. Now, Tal05, is the tongue good enough for you?:p
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7605/wormstyleswi4.png

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:09
sure is dood, shapes fine but change the colour to a light pink
nice impression =]
just shorten the mouth's width on the first one like aku did
edit: also the tongue's bend is the wrong way but that isn't a major prob

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:11
I'm not sure about the colour... what do you people think... Akuryou13's colour of the mouth, or should i just stick with the colour of the mouth i've got?

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:12
mouth colour is fine
just the tongue

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 19:17
How about: Restart from scratch.

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:19
no
its not that bad

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:26
How about: Restart from scratch.
Are you friggin kidding me? don't you think i've done enough friggin work already? do you want my friggin arm to fall off? because if it friggin does, i'll friggin kill you!
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6727/wormstylesnh8.png
Made mouth much less wider, and changed tongue.

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:37
right that will do
also, congrats you've got a new record!
5 "friggin"s in one post!

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 19:40
It's not that hard.
You want to get better, correct? It's going to take more than just changing the eyes and tongue each time.
I am not friggin' kidding you. Go find my first art thread. See if you can find the same picture edited more than three times. I don't recall doing it more than that if I did do it.
And, what happened to these, Traditional Artworks (Scanned) that you said you were going to show us?
I remember when Agent Luke showed us Hand Artwork... *falls down laughing*

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:48
I will now. I've had a look at lots of peoples art threads, to name some, Thnikks one, S_frea's one, etc.
Although i don't see the point of restarting it, though. And you have been the only person who's said that.

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:50
seening as though there are only 2 people other than you currently involved in this perticular discussion i don't quite agree with your statement.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:52
seening as though there are only 2 people other than you currently involved in this perticular discussion i don't quite agree with your statement.
Well, to date, Kelster has been the only one who's told me to restart the whole thing.

tal05
9 May 2008, 19:54
i understand why kelster wants you to restart but i think you need more guidance on how to improve your art before restarting.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 19:57
i understand why kelster wants you to restart but i think you need more guidance on how to improve your art before restarting.
I do occasionally take a look at other peoples art threads.
The only thing i think i need to improve, is the expression itself. The body shape is fine. (to me anyway)

tal05
9 May 2008, 20:00
the areas circled are the bits that need to be tweaked

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:02
Right.... it would be good if you could explain what needs to be improved, rather than circles.
Ooohh... i get what you mean by the eyes, but its my style, at the moment. I'll maybe make them lung shaped when i can get good lung shaped eyes.

tal05
9 May 2008, 20:05
tell me what you think is wrong with each ringed area
If i tell you, you wont learn how to manage it yourself

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:10
tell me what you think is wrong with each ringed area
If i tell you, you wont learn how to manage it yourself
Fine then....
Left Worm
Ring around tongue: More curved.
Ring around chin: More curved, i guess.
Ring around tail: Crease improved. I dunno how to improve the crease on the tail, though.
Right Worm
Ring around eyes: Make them lung shaped. Its my style, though. Maybe i will make them lung shaped, but right now i like the type of eyes i've got.
Ring circling the line: More curved?
Ring circling the chin: More curved, i guess again.
Ring circling the tail: crease improved.

tal05
9 May 2008, 20:14
Fine then....
Left Worm
Ring around tongue: More curved.
Ring around chin: More curved, i guess.
Ring around tail: Crease improved. I dunno how to improve the crease on the tail, though.
Right Worm
Ring around eyes: Make them lung shaped. Its my style, though. Maybe i will make them lung shaped, but right now i like the type of eyes i've got.
Ring circling the line: More curved?
Ring circling the chin: More curved, i guess again.
Ring circling the tail: crease improved.
LEFT/RIGHT
Ring around tongue: LESS curved.(inverted)
Ring around chin: LESS curved (inverted)
RIGHT
Ring around eyes: They need to be moved to the left closer to the edge of the face

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 20:16
Which one looks like he's seen his worst nightmare more.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7545/yesnf6.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7545/yesnf6.6407691c45.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=509&i=yesnf6.png)

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:17
LEFT/RIGHT
Ring around tongue: LESS curved.(inverted)
Ring around chin: LESS curved (inverted)
RIGHT
Ring around eyes: They need to be moved to the left closer to the edge of the face
Right...
And so the ones that you've left out, i got them right then?
Which one looks like he's seen his worst nightmare more.
Ermm....
the nightmare worm? surely not the dentist worm?

Plasma
9 May 2008, 20:21
Another problem with the eyes is that they shouldn't be in the middle of the worm, they should be off to the left a little.
Ring around tail: Crease improved. I dunno how to improve the crease on the tail, though.
You should have it at the very corner of the L bend, not a bit off to the side.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:23
Stupid me, i didn't see the image that kelster posted.
The one that you drew. But still, my worm does look quite scared.
EDIT: Finally, Plasma didn't call me Shadowman in his quote!

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 20:24
Ermm....
the nightmare worm? surely not the dentist worm?
I mean out of the two I posted above. Forget about the fact that mine has no color.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:25
I just replied to that. I never saw the image. Check the post before yours.

tal05
9 May 2008, 20:28
Yes shadow, you got the others righ
and plasma i quote
"Ring around eyes: They need to be moved to the left closer to the edge of the face"
then you repeated

Kelster23
9 May 2008, 20:31
I just replied to that. I never saw the image. Check the post before yours.
My computer failed to show that. Not surprising though, it's not the best.
Yours does look scared to a degree, yes. But, put more expression than just in the face. See how mine is on his back? That's what I mean.
I think it was B@stian though who made his worm upside down when he was surprised.

Shadowmoon
9 May 2008, 20:34
My computer failed to show that. Not surprising though, it's not the best.
Yours does look scared to a degree, yes. But, put more expression than just in the face. See how mine is on his back? That's what I mean.
I think it was B@stian though who made his worm upside down when he was surprised.
Basti@n.
I might add some effects to it later, like the tears you just added in yours.

.JeT
9 May 2008, 22:59
Much much better.

Shadowmoon
10 May 2008, 10:02
Out of all the people who have criticized me so far in this thread, Tal 05 is definitely the one who's criticized me the best, in my opinion.
I also thought worm arts would be so easy:eek:
I'll improve the worm later.

tal05
10 May 2008, 11:26
animations are pretty easy
you just need a small worm-like figure and then just add frames, move about limbs and PRESTO!

Akuryou13
10 May 2008, 16:42
Out of all the people who have criticized me so far in this thread, Tal 05 is definitely the one who's criticized me the best, in my opinion.
I also thought worm arts would be so easy:eek:
I'll improve the worm later.considering I just recently got out of the same problems you're having right now, I'd say it's a definite no that worms are easy. granted, what you're learning now are the basics of art. you've got to learn basic shapes within the program you're using (paint, obviously in this case) then you've got to learn to make the picture feel less robotic. your worm looks scared, but it looks a bit like one of those anamatronic dolls. very lifeless, like mine were (or at least I hope I can rightfully use the past tense anyway).
it's a long process, just gotta practice and such with poses and redrawing worms over and over and over. personally? I suggest redrawing the worms every time you want to edit something. and better yet: redraw them without looking at your old worms.
edit: and btw, if you're looking up sprites and such, be sure to find philby's and Nzip's (Nzip's are old as dirt, so if you can't find any, I'm sure I've got some archived). those 2 were some pretty darn good sprites in wildly different styles.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 10:58
Got bored, created a picture, and it ended up coming out well enough to post.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4545/poninjavsbastinlolzxz7.png
Its Basti@n and Poninja fighting in the air, with mountains in the background. I've also developed another pose- an air combat one. Enjoy!
I'm quite proud of it. I'd say its the best picture i've drawn so far.
90 Whole minutes this took me.
Scrap the other picture, the expressions. Also yes i'm back but only to concentrate on my arts.:)
Also developed a new expression. I call it: Evil smile.:p
I'm not joking. When i finished, looked at the clock and 90 minutes! thats the longest picture i've drawn on the PC!
Picture on Deviant Art (http://shadowmoon12.deviantart.com/art/Mountain-Rumble-85630271)

TeDdywoRm
14 May 2008, 11:18
You made the eyes and legs wrong, my friend. Look properly at the eyes; are they looking at each other? The legs doesn't look "Smooth" I mean, the tail doesn't crumple or fold. So here's a lil' something:
31410

super_frea
14 May 2008, 11:21
Yes it looks like they are riding in giant shoes :p

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 11:22
You made the eyes and legs wrong, my friend. Look properly at the eyes; are they looking at each other? The legs doesn't look "Smooth" I mean, the tail doesn't crumple or fold. So here's a lil' something:
31410
My tails are a little different to those.
And yes they are looking at each other! even i can see that it looks like they are looking at each other!
I've saw the picture, there supposed to be jumping in the air having a battle. Not like they are rolling on there backs or something.
Yes it looks like they are riding in giant shoes
Its my style. Yes okay they could be more curved and it doesn't look like they are riding in giant shoes at all. Well doesn't look to me anyway.
I'm lazy to do it now tho, that took me 90 minutes. Seriously.
I'm suffering from mental wrist pains.
Its my best picture so far anyway, i'm particularly impressed.
Aku's tails are wrong. Aku's tails are fat. I don't see you aving a go at him much do i?

super_frea
14 May 2008, 11:38
It's by no means a bad picture. But there is still much to be improved upon.
Firstly look at the swords they're holding. They don't have handles and the worms appear to be holding onto the blades. Next the tails. They do look odd I have to tell you. It would be alright for say a sitting down worm, as the floor/seat would be pushed up against the tail causing it to look like that. But these worms are flying through the air meaning there is nothing being pushed against the tails at all. The clouds look odd as well.
Aku's tails are wrong. Aku's tails are fat. I don't see you aving a go at him much do i?
Erm no Aku's tails aren't wrong at all. Everyone else seems to think they are, but I don't have a problem with them.
And Shadowmoon I'm hardly having a go at you am I? I think you need to come to terms with what "having a go" actually means. I'm telling you how to improve. If you don't want my advice on how to improve then you might as well tell me now...

Akuryou13
14 May 2008, 11:43
Aku's tails are wrong. Aku's tails are fat. I don't see you aving a go at him much do i?that's because when I bend the tail the tail remains the same length and shape as one would expect it to be based on how it looked before. your tails, however, don't. pretty much the only reason for that is that the tails inexplicably shoot straight upwards. if you made the tip of the tails angle more reasonably it would work better. you can keep a sharp curve on them and it would still look great, but right now they're either riding in shoes or they have broken tails that are being held up by invisible sticks or something.
as a whole the picture is not bad at all. while I agree the eyes should be moved more towards the side of the head and what-not, it's not big enough of a deal for me to worry about, just something you need to start doing as an easy place to improve. other than that I can't really complain. the image is basic but it it's a clean simplicity.
edit: The clouds look odd as well.really? I don't find anything really wrong with the clouds given the style of the rest of the image.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 11:44
It's by no means a bad picture. But there is still much to be improved upon.
Firstly look at the swords they're holding. They don't have handles and the worms appear to be holding onto the blades. Next the tails. They do look odd I have to tell you. It would be alright for say a sitting down worm, as the floor/seat would be pushed up against the tail causing it to look like that. But these worms are flying through the air meaning there is nothing being pushed against the tails at all. The clouds look odd as well.
Ehhhhhhhhh.........
The clouds do look odd. But clouds are quite hard to draw, and you can also get em in different shapes and sizes.
The tails: I'll try and improve on them by doing a seperate picture with a worm flying. Later though, because right now i need a break.
As for the swords, i knew something was missing. Thanks for reminding me.
I don't think i'm going to edit the picture again, as that would just be..... no, i'd have to edit the backgrounds and put things right, so, meh.
The main thing i wanted to hear was the new pose thing, because of course thats another pose.
What i may do though is create another picture like that with different sigworms, can't say the clouds will be improved though.
And Shadowmoon I'm hardly having a go at you am I?
Was really meaning TeDdywoRM.
So later i'll do a single air combat pose picture, then tommorow or a few days later the same picture with different sigworms.

TeDdywoRm
14 May 2008, 11:47
Ehhhhhhhhh.........
The clouds do look odd. But clouds are quite hard to draw, and you can also get em in different shapes and sizes.
The tails: I'll try and improve on them by doing a seperate picture with a worm flying. Later though, because right now i need a break.
As for the swords, i knew something was missing. Thanks for reminding me.
I don't think i'm going to edit the picture again, as that would just be..... no, i'd have to edit the backgrounds and put things right, so, meh.
The main thing i wanted to hear was the new pose thing, because of course thats another pose.
What i may do though is create another picture like that with different sigworms, can't say the clouds will be improved though.
Was really meaning TeDdywoRM.
So later i'll do a single air combat pose picture, then tommorow or a few days later the same picture with different sigworms.
OH MY GAWD!
I told you to study my background reference....

Akuryou13
14 May 2008, 11:50
The main thing i wanted to hear was the new pose thing, because of course thats another pose.the worm shape is great with the exception of the tips of the tails. the rest worked rather well
What i may do though is create another picture like that with different sigworms, can't say the clouds will be improved though.eh, clouds are hard to get to work right. one of the hardest things to draw, IMO, so don't worry too much about them. as for drawing the same exact picture, it's really not necessary to do the same one over again if you don't want to. you can always just do something similar. obviously that's up to you.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 11:50
OH MY GAWD!
I told you to study my background reference....
I have had a look at the backgrounds you've showed me, which has given me a few ideas.
Or do you not mean that......

super_frea
14 May 2008, 11:56
edit: really? I don't find anything really wrong with the clouds given the style of the rest of the image.
Cloud are exceedingly hard to draw I find. Maybe that's because I'm hard to impress, but he seems to be struggling to find a particular style to draw in. For example the worms are quite jagged and sharp and yet the clouds are a lot more rounded. This isn't necessarily a bad thing because it shows that he is trying out different styles to draw in. Heck I still do that all the time, but I try to keep individual pictures in the same style. Otherwise it can end up looking a bit cluttered.
Ehhhhhhhhh.........
The clouds do look odd. But clouds are quite hard to draw, and you can also get em in different shapes and sizes.
That is very true I struggle to draw clouds also.
The tails: I'll try and improve on them by doing a seperate picture with a worm flying. Later though, because right now i need a break.
As for the swords, i knew something was missing. Thanks for reminding me.
I don't think i'm going to edit the picture again, as that would just be..... no, i'd have to edit the backgrounds and put things right, so, meh.
The main thing i wanted to hear was the new pose thing, because of course thats another pose.
What i may do though is create another picture like that with different sigworms, can't say the clouds will be improved though.
At least you're taking in to account what I'm saying. I wasn't saying the picture was bad at all. It's a lot better than what you've already done. So well done.

Akuryou13
14 May 2008, 12:03
Cloud are exceedingly hard to draw I find. Maybe that's because I'm hard to impress, but he seems to be struggling to find a particular style to draw in. For example the worms are quite jagged and sharp and yet the clouds are a lot more rounded. This isn't necessarily a bad thing because it shows that he is trying out different styles to draw in. Heck I still do that all the time, but I try to keep individual pictures in the same style. Otherwise it can end up looking a bit cluttered.eh, doesn't look bad to me, though. I also suggest he continue to do it as he is doing it now, as I see the clouds are the result of a horribly-used curve tool and the more he uses the curve the better he'll get at it, which can result in better art if he goes down the path of smoothly-shaped worms.

shadowman
14 May 2008, 12:05
Its my style.
If I had a nickel...
Seriously. Every new person in the fanart forum since... I can't even remember anymore, it's been too long, people have used that excuse for every single flaw with their work that they are not willing to fix and/or improve on. Looking like a malformed shoe has nothing to do with your style. Why not take his advice and improve your work, instead of getting nowhere and feeling good about yourself. I don't know of any artist that ever feels good about his work. I even correct my doodles all the time.
Trust me, man. If you want to succeed, you're going to have to pay attention to your audience. Unless of course you're taking the Van Gough way out. :p
That wasn't a flame. It was a suggestion.
EDIT
I did like the picture, though. That little phrase just sent me off the ledge a little.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 12:10
eh, doesn't look bad to me, though. I also suggest he continue to do it as he is doing it now, as I see the clouds are the result of a horribly-used curve tool and the more he uses the curve the better he'll get at it, which can result in better art if he goes down the path of smoothly-shaped worms.
True I guess I'm expecting too much at this stage on his fetal development. And what I've said is essentially just going to confuse him. But it's something to bare in mind for the future.
Looking like a malformed shoe has nothing to do with your style.
LOL! I do not know why but that did make me chuckle.

TeDdywoRm
14 May 2008, 12:15
Shadowmoon, I told you to study the background reference, right? But look; the background.... At your latest work... Didn't the background reference has a background similar to that one? You could've just copied or created a similar one... And yes, this is a suggestion.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 13:37
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4442/aircombatposepictureem7.png
Incoming flying sausage!
Don't ask why it doesn't have eyes. Its just to check if the pose is all right!
so.....
is it better now?
Also Teddy i'll make the mountains flatter in the next picture, like your background showed me.
New mountain rumble picture coming when i'm told: its better now the pose is much better.

Akuryou13
14 May 2008, 13:48
much more like it, though it's a tad long.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 13:51
much more like it, though it's a tad long.
Okay.
Working on the mountain fight picture now then. The tail is a bit long so i'll maybe make it shorter in the next picture.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 17:02
That's much better Shadowmoon.
It will hopefully make the picture look really good too.

Liketyspli
14 May 2008, 17:16
I'm not sure if the left worm just has 2 right hands and the right worm just has 2 left hands... or does the hand on the left in between the worms belong to the right worm and the hand on the right to the left worm? Confused... :eek:

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 19:59
I'm not sure if the left worm just has 2 right hands and the right worm just has 2 left hands... or does the hand on the left in between the worms belong to the right worm and the hand on the right to the left worm? Confused... :eek:
Improved version....
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6044/poninjavsbastinno2lt7.png
Hopefully that pictures much better. Just about 105 minutes to draw, that took me.
Also, i checked over my other picture to check for mistakes and did it for this one.
Hopefully you can tell what hands a lefty or righty.
Man, my wrist hurts. I've been feeling so artistic this month.

tal05
14 May 2008, 20:13
bas's eye is doped up

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 20:16
bas's eye is doped up
I don't really see whats wrong with Basti@ns eyes... there not as good as poninjas but he does feel sleepy at some times.....
Next picture: A jumping worm. Yet another new pose. Coming soon.
EDIT: Mentioned elsewhere that poninja's shirt colour was wrong, so....
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8051/poninjavsbastinno2lj2.png

yakuza
14 May 2008, 21:16
Hands are wrong, assuming those flying worms are somewhat capable of sword fighting. The humb should always be the closer finger to the worm wielding the weapon.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 21:19
Hands are wrong, assuming those flying worms are somewhat capable of sword fighting. The humb should always be the closer finger to the worm wielding the weapon.
That isn't necessarily true. The hands look fine to me, it just depends on how they are holding the sword.

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 21:25
Hands are wrong, assuming those flying worms are somewhat capable of sword fighting. The humb should always be the closer finger to the worm wielding the weapon.
I don't think they look very wrong.
They look fine to me.

yakuza
14 May 2008, 21:25
That isn't necessarily true. The hands look fine to me, it just depends on how they are holding the sword.
You're looking it wrong then. Whilst the right hand of the left worm would be possible and somewhat realistic way of holding a dagger type weapon, it's still unlikely and doesn't fit the pose.
The right hand of the left worm, though, it totally unrealistic and I have my doubts if it's even possible to hold anything that way.
I don't think they look very wrong.
They look fine to me.
No. I guess words don't work for you. Go to your kitchen and hold two knifes. Now tell me, is the thumb the closest finger to your body? It should. Then try holding it in a way that your thumb is the furthest finger to your body, do you realize how stupid that looks? (you have to take into account that the picture is being taken from infront of you, for the record)
The right hand of the red dressed worm should definetly be horizontally flipping. If you can't see this yourself I suggest you start with some simple book on how to draw hands, or buy a hand toy you can mold.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 21:30
Well as I said it is highly dependant on how the two worms are holding the weapons.
If they are holding them like this, then it is correct.

yakuza
14 May 2008, 21:38
I'm not following. I don't really want a justification on how it's possible to hold a sword that way, I just don't think it's fitting, nor it makes any sense unless those worms have two left or right hands. No matter how I look at it, trying to swing a sword frontally with the thumb being the furthest finger lot's completely retarded to me.
Objectively, the picture would look better if that was fixed. But you can sit here justifying that pose, when in reality, we all know that those ways of holding the swords were not arbitrary.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 21:45
I'm not following. I don't really want a justification on how it's possible to hold a sword that way, I just don't think it's fitting, nor it makes any sense unless those worms have two left or right hands. No matter how I look at it, trying to swing a sword frontally with the thumb being the furthest finger lot's completely retarded to me.
Objectively, the picture would look better if that was fixed. But you can sit here justifying that pose, when in reality, we all know that those ways of holding the swords were not arbitrary.
You can't expect me not to justify my opinion now can you old bean? That is a rather daft thing to say. You may not think it's 'fitting' for them to hold their swords like that, but that is irrelevant in the sense that you claimed it was wrong. If it were wrong, then there would be no way for me to justify why it is right. Do you see what I'm saying? I am justifying why it's right above with that image. You can't voice your opinion and then get annoyed when someone tries to justify theirs.

Melon
14 May 2008, 21:58
The hands are totally wrong. You should be seeing the BACK of the hands that are nearest to the "camera".
Helpful hint. Try moving your hands into the sort of position you'd want to model. Helps a lot.
EDIT: The back of hand comment only really applies to not-Bastian in this case I guess..... (Have no idea who the other worm is)
Also, not-Bastian will hereby be dubbed as !Bastian

Shadowmoon
14 May 2008, 22:11
Just saw a picture of a worm holding a sword in aku's thread, i won't edit the picture, but do a worm holding a sword.

yakuza
14 May 2008, 22:16
You can't expect me not to justify my opinion now can you old bean? That is a rather daft thing to say. You may not think it's 'fitting' for them to hold their swords like that, but that is irrelevant in the sense that you claimed it was wrong. If it were wrong, then there would be no way for me to justify why it is right. Do you see what I'm saying? I am justifying why it's right above with that image. You can't voice your opinion and then get annoyed when someone tries to justify theirs.
No, you can only justify it being possible, doesn't mean it's right, seeing as I haven't heard a justification as to why the worm is holding the sword in a totally bizarre way, there is no visual justification in the image either, therefore, it's wrong. You can continue this argument for the sake of doing so, I'm done. Those hands are wrong.

super_frea
14 May 2008, 22:19
No, you can only justify it being possible, doesn't mean it's right, seeing as I haven't heard a justification as to why the worm is holding the sword in a totally bizarre way, there is no visual justification in the image either, therefore, it's wrong. You can continue this argument for the sake of doing so, I'm done. Those hands are wrong.
Yes I know that was the point I was making... it is possible. Not right, but possible.

shadowman
14 May 2008, 22:48
I see you're taking criticism much better now. I'm glad.
Nice job on the reposing.

Kelster23
15 May 2008, 00:32
I have to say, it looks like Basti@n has a lazy eye...

Shadowmoon
15 May 2008, 09:54
I see you're taking criticism much better now. I'm glad.
Nice job on the reposing.
Thanks.
Anyway, squirminator2k today told me this about that picture........
Your art continues to fail. You've taken virtually none of the advice people have given you.
And because nobodys told me that except him, i'm curious to know if anyone agrees because even i'm bright enough to say that that sentence is extremely wrong.
Any one agrees?
EDIT: Basti@n from another forum told me he wants it as a background, if it looks good on his PC. Can't beleive that. I put it as a background on my PC and it looks good.
Working on yet another pose too.
Here's the plans....
First, i'm going to work on poses.
Then expressions.....
Also, from now on i'll draw my work in Paint and colour it using flash.
I have to say, it looks like Basti@n has a lazy eye...
He's a drug addict and he's took some drugs.:p
A question: I've opened flash. I choose to edit that picture. When i use the fill tool, it doesn't work, and when i get the brush out and use it it does whatever you make it do but then dissapears. Is there a way to stop this?
Anyway, my first worm picture in flash put as my avatar. Yes it looks bad as an avatar so i might change it but either way here's my FIRST ever picture in flash.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9495/shadowmoonzayed5.png
I don't think it looks too bad.
Another question: How do i make the size of a flash document bigger?
The tails look a lil pointy....

TeDdywoRm
15 May 2008, 09:59
Everything's fine in there, you just need to improve on the hands.

Shadowmoon
15 May 2008, 10:12
Well its supposed to be clenching its fist. Perhaps add a thumb at the bottom?:-/
The part i'm finding the most hard so far is the hands.
Hands have always confused me. Is this better?:-/
Also, i figured out how to make it bigger.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8881/fistofrenziesvo1.png

TeDdywoRm
15 May 2008, 10:19
Well its supposed to be clenching its fist. Perhaps add a thumb at the bottom?:-/
The part i'm finding the most hard so far is the hands.
Hands have always confused me. Is this better?:-/
That's better. :)

_Kilburn
15 May 2008, 10:25
Yakuza is pretty right about the hands. Try holding something, and then look at yourself, and try to draw your own hands, in a worm-ish style. And there you go, you have hands that don't look weird. ;)

Shadowmoon
15 May 2008, 10:41
Yakuza is pretty right about the hands. Try holding something, and then look at yourself, and try to draw your own hands, in a worm-ish style. And there you go, you have hands that don't look weird. ;)
Oh i get what you mean now. When holding something the thumb goes over your fingers. I get what you mean now, but i wonder how i could do that without making it look awkward.......
Oh and the automatic smooth lines thing in flash is great! it makes the lines look much smoother.
Also, for requests you now have a choice of what progam you want it done in. You can choose from flash or paint.

shadowman
15 May 2008, 11:47
Why would you STILL use the circle tool for the eyes?

super_frea
15 May 2008, 13:07
I request in flash!

Akuryou13
15 May 2008, 14:12
Why would you STILL use the circle tool for the eyes?seconded!
also, that flash worm is MUCH better. it's pretty much right where you want it to be with your level of skill. the main issue is the eye shape at this point. it needs to be less perfectly round and more off to one side. the rest is great.

tal05
15 May 2008, 15:31
Basti@n's eyes are SPAZ!

Metal Alex
15 May 2008, 15:32
ALSO, where the tail meets the body, try this, instead of that downwards V.
(circled in red, ignore the rest of the worm D: )

Shadowmoon
15 May 2008, 21:00
Basti@n's eyes are SPAZ!
Thats my sigworm, btw.
ALSO, where the tail meets the body, try this, instead of that downwards V.
(circled in red, ignore the rest of the worm D: )
Okay, i'll do that then. I didn't know what the crease would look like, but now i know i'll do it that way.
I request in flash!
Okay, i'll do it now.
Why would you STILL use the circle tool for the eyes?
I'll try and use the brush for the eyes in the next picture. For some reason i thought it was best to use the circle tool, but if the brush would look better then yeah, i'll use the brush.
Right now i'm working on: 1. A new design for my sigworm. 2. Super_frea's request.
Also, when i try pasting s_frea's picture, which looks big in flash, it comes out small in paint. Also for some odd reason you can't upload flash documents.

super_frea
15 May 2008, 21:22
Thats my sigworm, btw.
Okay, i'll do that then. I didn't know what the crease would look like, but now i know i'll do it that way.
Okay, i'll do it now.
I'll try and use the brush for the eyes in the next picture. For some reason i thought it was best to use the circle tool, but if the brush would look better then yeah, i'll use the brush.
Right now i'm working on: 1. A new design for my sigworm. 2. Super_frea's request.
Also, when i try pasting s_frea's picture, which looks big in flash, it comes out small in paint. Also for some odd reason you can't upload flash documents.
Try print screen

shadowman
16 May 2008, 02:00
And why not practice open hands?
They look less like cupcakes. They also make it easier to draw fists.

Kelster23
16 May 2008, 05:10
Go to Modify---> Document, IIRC to resize the page.
It's something like that.

Shadowmoon
16 May 2008, 08:09
Go to Modify---> Document, IIRC to resize the page.
It's something like that.
I can't see a resize button if i do that, nope.
I'll try what super_frea said now though.

super_frea
16 May 2008, 12:07
Just print screen, paste it into paint and crop it from there.

Shadowmoon
16 May 2008, 15:35
Just print screen, paste it into paint and crop it from there.
Thats exactly what i did.
I'm having a few problems with flash so i'll need to sort them out.
Anyway, i drawed Super_frea twice and here are the pics....
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3981/sfreansm2.png
New type of tail, is it better than the other type or shall i bring the other type back?
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8969/superfreaeu6.png
Another new pose- Jumping.
And, a pic of my sigworm with a weapon called the vacuumator 2000, but it looks too similiar to .Jets, so i might have to make it look different.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/156/shadowmoonflashtimk6.png
I'm gonna start practicing on the hands too.
EDIT: I copied the same super_frea jumping picture two times, fixed.

Akuryou13
16 May 2008, 15:37
meh, new tail is fine. if that's how you want to draw then do it like that. just do whatever style you want and we'll suggest what needs to be worked on within that style.

Shadowmoon
16 May 2008, 15:48
meh, new tail is fine. if that's how you want to draw then do it like that. just do whatever style you want and we'll suggest what needs to be worked on within that style.
Well i may go back to the old style. I'd just wanna ask: Is that style better or is the other one better?

Akuryou13
16 May 2008, 15:49
Well i may go back to the old style. I'd just wanna ask: Is that style better or is the other one better?which do YOU prefer? you're the one drawing here.

Shadowmoon
16 May 2008, 15:50
which do YOU prefer? you're the one drawing here.
The new one.
I should have made super_frea's tail bigger when he was standing up, i think.

super_frea
16 May 2008, 16:04
I quite like the short tail and long body. It's different.
Edit: Oh and spanks for drawing me!

Kelster23
16 May 2008, 19:02
Maybe make the belly a bit less of an hard angle when it hits the ground, but other than that, it looks much better.
I mean make it a curve.

Shadowmoon
16 May 2008, 19:10
Maybe make the belly a bit less of an hard angle when it hits the ground, but other than that, it looks much better.
I mean make it a curve.
Okay i'll do that for the next picture.
I'll stick with the type of tails too.

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