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AndrewAni2
30 Jun 2006, 09:44
I thought of doing this today, as a general and very short list of what I feel are proper ethics, do’s, and don'ts when playing Worms Armageddon online. You can agree or disagree with whatever parts you want, learn from it or take it with a grain of salt. Here's what I came up with after years of online play and God knows how many hosted games:
10. Teach people the rules instead of killing the cow! Everyone has to start somewhere, and he might end up becoming a fan of that particular game style.
9. Don’t make fun of or otherwise be rude to people who can’t speak English too well. This great game’s blessed with ethnic diversity and stuff. :D
8. If you know the game you’re hosting is only for a certain person or people, use a password only you and your friends know, so you won’t have to kick anyone.
7. If you only want a certain maximum amount of people to play, such as 3 or 4, drag the thick bar above the light bulb higher, until it’s set at the amount of people you want to be able to enter your hosted room. This is a little-known player capacity-adjusting option that, again, will mean less people have to get kicked.
6. Unless you’re good friends, never gang up against just one person, verbally, or against just one team, in-game, for any reason. Although it may not break any rules of the game, it’s generally considered not cool to attack the person in last place, unless it’s an “it’s-either-you-or-me” situation, and better to attack the one in first.
5. Unless you’re good friends with your opponent, don’t laugh or make otherwise sly comments when you’ve found the opportunity to make a great attack against your opponent, or when your opponent has screwed up. The next turn could be your downfall!
4. If jerks continue to kick you out of every game you try to join because you don’t have the luxury of hosting games yourself, check these very forums to try and find out how to host successfully. It’s worth the effort!
3. If you can’t install the beta patch because you haven’t paid for the game, buy it instead. It’s way worth the $15-20 you can find it for online. Try eBay.
2. Don't kick/boot anyone without proper cause, which means one of two things: non-responsiveness, or a refusal to leave even though they can’t enter the game due to lacking the beta patch.
1. For God’s sake, get the beta patch! ftp://ftp.team17.com/pub/t17/patches/pc/WA_Update-3.6.26.5_Beta.exe Don’t install any updates from the CD, or else the beta patch may not work.

MrBunsy
30 Jun 2006, 11:34
They seems pretty good guidelines, putting a password on a private game is somehting I often forget. I still think you still need the rule "Don't just bloody sit in chat and ask for a game to be hosted over and over again, either host it yourself or shut up!".
5. Unless you’re good friends with your opponent, don’t laugh or make otherwise sly comments when you’ve found the opportunity to make a great attack against your opponent, or when your opponent has screwed up. The next turn could be your downfall!Oooh, that reminds me of soemthing. My friend used his last shotgun to try and kill my last worm with his last worm, but I landed just next to the water and survived. I was laughing my head off in the chat, thinking I was going to use my last go to obliterate his ill healthed worm. Then sudden death started, *plop*.

bonz
30 Jun 2006, 12:16
7. If you only want a certain maximum amount of people to play, such as 3 or 4, drag the thick bar above the light bulb higher, until it’s set at the amount of people you want to be able to enter your hosted room. This is a little-known player capacity-adjusting option that, again, will mean less people have to get kicked.
Indeed!
Very few people seem to know that and start shouting "go go go!".

[UFP]Ghost
30 Jun 2006, 16:24
2 things:
1. i gave up teaching people rules if they don't know, because if they don't in-game they rarely know how to put the chat-bar down to answer me or read.
2. true i have told a few people about the bar to make only a certain number of people allowed in. it's very unknown.
p.s. nice list XD

realfoe
30 Jun 2006, 16:58
i havnt had any probs with installing the patch from the disk first, i thought you had to do it.

DarkOne
30 Jun 2006, 22:00
10) I do that, always
However, most people I try to explain tend to forget what alphabetism is all about when I do so. So most of the time, I am unfortunately wasting my time (or rather, they're wasting mine).
9) Agreed.
8) No. You never know who might turn up in AG just after you host. However cool that person may be, he/she will not know the pw and will therefor be unable to join.
7) No. See previous reason.
6) I always play ktl. I feel it is most fair. And if I didn't, I would almost never attack FFie and that would kind of suck for other people.
5) Yes. It's just rude to laugh at people in their face and people that I know aren't laughing at me but at the comical situation. It's different when unknown people do it.
4) Objection! Someone that boots is not necessarily a jerk. See point 7/8 in combination with having a full game.
Also, if you don't understand something, the first you should do is read the manual and search known forums. Most tend to just ask away without doing a little effort first.
3) Yes.
2) Or if the game is too full (see point 8/7 for a reason how a game can become full)
1) Yes.

Plutonic
2 Jul 2006, 13:30
the problem i find with passwording private games is when you have 3 people but you want 4, you end up having to boot most people but keeping it open anyway. But all in all some decent points.

Alien King
2 Jul 2006, 13:45
10. Teach people the rules instead of killing the cow! Everyone has to start somewhere, and he might end up becoming a fan of that particular game style.
If only it was so simple. Despite what has been done, people just don't know how to chat ingame. When you ask if people know the rules before you start the game, they often lie or don't respond. Other times they ignore the rules or ask what the point is.
If you can’t install the beta patch because you haven’t paid for the game, buy it instead. It’s way worth the $15-20 you can find it for online.
You can get cheaper than that.
2. Don't kick/boot anyone without proper cause, which means one of two things: non-responsiveness, or a refusal to leave even though they can’t enter the game due to lacking the beta patch.
There are more reasons.
Mostly you have some good points, but not quite complete.

AndrewTaylor
2 Jul 2006, 14:53
If only it was so simple. Despite what has been done, people just don't know how to chat ingame. When you ask if people know the rules before you start the game, they often lie or don't respond. Other times they ignore the rules or ask what the point is.
Well, now, in fairness, put yourself in their shoes.
You've started to play Worms and someone asks if you know the rules. You know the rules of Worms, so you say "yes". Then you start the game, play, and they start whining at you. What are you supposed to think? If people don't explain the rules properly, that's their fault and nobody else's. Just asking "do you know the rules" is not good enough.
Perhaps before the game starts you should say "Right, so we're playing any-but-last and attack-from-rope. Everyone understand that?" -- that way it's fairly unambiguous and it clears up all of these stupid "well that's not how I've always played shoppas" arguments.

Evil Bunny
2 Jul 2006, 19:28
6) I always play ktl. I feel it is most fair. And if I didn't, I would almost never attack FFie and that would kind of suck for other people.
Hmm, i usually play pnr instead of ktl or abl. Provoke and revenge :cool:, it's a way of life i tell ya! :D
I've also been known to gang up on people for the sport of practicing the art of puppeteering. For that i'd like to refer to a saying a wise wormer once said; all is fair in love and Worms. :D Any1 happen to remember who said that btw?

Plasma
2 Jul 2006, 20:32
I've also been known to gang up on people for the sport of practicing the art of puppeteering.
If I ever play against you, I'll remember to kill you first...
For that i'd like to refer to a saying a wise wormer once said; all is fair in love and Worms. :D Any1 happen to remember who said that btw?
I think this guy did:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=512780&postcount=10

bonz
2 Jul 2006, 21:24
Any1 happen to remember who said that btw?
The Puppetmaster of course.

Alien King
2 Jul 2006, 21:28
Well, now, in fairness, put yourself in their shoes.
You've started to play Worms and someone asks if you know the rules. You know the rules of Worms, so you say "yes". Then you start the game, play, and they start whining at you. What are you supposed to think? If people don't explain the rules properly, that's their fault and nobody else's. Just asking "do you know the rules" is not good enough.
True. Although I actually asked what the little ringing phone actually meant. Then I found out about the rules.
Although you're right, exaplaination would help.

AndrewTaylor
2 Jul 2006, 23:06
It certainly would.
Hmm, i usually play pnr instead of ktl or abl. Provoke and revenge :cool:, it's a way of life i tell ya! :D
What the hell is PNR, for one thing?

Run
2 Jul 2006, 23:14
Provoke and revenge, apparently.
It's more a guideline than a rule, since it sounds totally unenforceable ;)

[UFP]Ghost
3 Jul 2006, 02:34
i always say: all is fair in love n worms 2 :p

TintinWorm
3 Jul 2006, 03:16
Very nice list. I agree with all of your points. Especially the one about ethnic diversity. The first person I played on Wormnet a year and a half ago was Hungarian. But some people are just asking to be made fun of/kicked. For example, this one n00b joined a shopper my friend and I were playing in. So after a few turns of "COW" and "ABL, n00b" and "GET THE #$%@ING CRATE BEFORE ATTACKING" we realized that not only did this guy not know how to play a shopper, he didn't know how to enable chatting, which was particularly sad because the author of the map had writter "press pagedown for chat" in large letters on the top of the map.

[UFP]Ghost
3 Jul 2006, 05:01
roflmao lol

AndrewTaylor
3 Jul 2006, 11:48
because the author of the map had writter "press pagedown for chat" in large letters on the top of the map.
Now that is a good idea. A big comedy sign or something on the landscape with the rules on. No excuse then -- although I suspect you'd get a few people quitting immediately upon reading them.

AmpSux
3 Jul 2006, 13:25
Nice list... I used to really try to teach people the rules, but now I have grown cynical or just plain lazy. I will have to work on that.
Recent things to have bugged me are when someone says "GG" to you before they take their turn :mad: and people who say "B(ad)S(hot)" to you, I mean, wtf‽

Alien King
3 Jul 2006, 16:18
Nice list... I used to really try to teach people the rules, but now I have grown cynical or just plain lazy. I will have to work on that.
when someone says "GG" to you before they take their turn
Surely they mean "gl"?

Plutonic
3 Jul 2006, 17:38
nope, its said when they think its a sure thing..... which if your standing next to them with a shotgun, its probably is. But in BnG its just not right :p

Evil Bunny
3 Jul 2006, 18:41
Surely they mean "gl"?
Lol, i've started a few games with gg, and they found out very soon i didn't mean gl :cool:

Muzer
3 Jul 2006, 19:46
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Alien King
3 Jul 2006, 20:52
nope, its said when they think its a sure thing..... which if your standing next to them with a shotgun, its probably is. But in BnG its just not right :p
Well, when said towards the end of the game, yes. It is used.
Lol, i've started a few games with gg, and they found out very soon i didn't mean gl
Heh.

AmpSux
4 Jul 2006, 13:47
I think GG should be used in a sporting manner; to show that you are a not a sore loser. Using it cockily is not in the spirit of the phrase, imho :-/
Just sayin'

AndrewTaylor
4 Jul 2006, 15:50
I think GG should be used in a sporting manner; to show that you are a not a sore loser. Using it cockily is not in the spirit of the phrase, imho :-/
Just sayin'
I don't think it's very constructive to rally against cockiness. This in the Internet, after all. It depends on the mood of the game, I suppose -- I expect as often as not it's meant in good humour.
Sometimes it's done just to be mean, but it doesn't really matter -- breaking the rules or kicking people for no reason is far, far worse.

DarkOne
4 Jul 2006, 17:27
Well, now, in fairness, put yourself in their shoes.
You've started to play Worms and someone asks if you know the rules. You know the rules of Worms, so you say "yes". Then you start the game, play, and they start whining at you. What are you supposed to think? If people don't explain the rules properly, that's their fault and nobody else's. Just asking "do you know the rules" is not good enough.
I did put myself in their shoes
This is why I usually ask things like "do you know what RR is?" (of BnG or WFW if appropriate). A scheme specific question that can't possible be misinterpreted. Sometimes, they even lie about knowing the rules in which case I point out that just telling the truth may be met with understanding while just lying about it will be met with annoyance. Then I explain the rules.
The problem is that after I ask that, most people just remain silent. I am certain they don't need 3 minutes to find the n, the o and the enter key
Sometimes, I'm even in a good enough mood to send them a PM or type their names in the message so they know I'm talking to them.
But seriously, if they don't even bother answering such a simple question, they won't bother obeying simple rules.
The boot to them.

KamikazeBananze
5 Jul 2006, 09:50
... all is fair in love and Worms. :D Any1 happen to remember who said that btw?
I THINK it was either Spadge or Andy Davidson. It was in a W:A guide on the old W:A site. I printed it out once. It gave a detailed guide to using weapons and playing worms. And somewhere on it, whoever wrote it said "All's fair in love and Worms."
Could have been on the W2 site, though.

BlubberWha
12 Jul 2006, 00:43
These are a pretty good set of guidelines. Because it get really ****ing annoying trying to join a game when you keep booted from all of them! Although makeing fun of people should be allowed to some extent, as people tend to do really stupid things. Like attacking the team that surrendered. But there also should be limits so people don't keep going "You suck! You suck! You suck!"

AndrewTaylor
12 Jul 2006, 08:49
I THINK it was either Spadge or Andy Davidson. It was in a W:A guide on the old W:A site. I printed it out once. It gave a detailed guide to using weapons and playing worms. And somewhere on it, whoever wrote it said "All's fair in love and Worms."
Could have been on the W2 site, though.
Well, probably a great many people.

KamikazeBananze
14 Jul 2006, 03:08
True. Wonder if any of the Teamsters can remember it...

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