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Thurbo
25 Sep 2010, 22:56
I'm not sure if creating a new thread for this makes sense, but I guess my message wouldn't attract enough attention otherwise.
To make it short: I feel betrayed! It feels like I bought a game in in a beta phase for the full price! Okay, the game is a lot down to luck because of the random spawn points, crate drops, mines etc. etc. I have to accept that, even though Worms used to be fairer. What I don't want and don't have to accept is the fact the game is sort of not fully developed and bugged as hell! Even worse, I'm playing a lot of ranked matches and I lose quite often only due to a bug! For instance, the very last match I played: My opponent and I only had one worm left with about 40 energy, and when I wanted to shoot him with a zook, - zing!! - the bug I haven't thought a name of that makes the shell explode immediately (your power bar wouldn't fill up either) kicked in - game over for me.
Will this whole game ever be fixed? I bought this to have fun and not to get in a lather whenever this sort of stuff happens to me!

CakeDoer
25 Sep 2010, 23:00
And you complain now?

Thurbo
25 Sep 2010, 23:03
When else? Would you like me to store my complains for you as a christmas present?
Back to serious: Yes, because I decided to tolerate it a while! I thought they'd be able to fix it within a few weeks, especially because they had a long-lasting beta and also an X-Box version.
And now, my patience has exhausted.

CakeDoer
25 Sep 2010, 23:16
Well your feelings are weird, then. You kept defending it all this time and you suddenly say it sucks a month later?

Koenachtig
26 Sep 2010, 00:24
At least they are working on the game to get it fixed right away.
And even though, as you say it, you have bought a bugged game, you will still have a better version after some updates.
Team17 won't leave people alone, Team17 cares!

MtlAngelus
26 Sep 2010, 00:33
Team17 won't leave people alone, Team17 cares!
Is that why their 360 releases were never fixed?

BetongÅsna
26 Sep 2010, 01:00
Pfft, 360. This is a real game.

MtlAngelus
26 Sep 2010, 03:02
Pfft, 360. This is a real game.
Oh please, the game is pretty much the same. In fact, IIRC you can actually increase girder size in the 360 version. :cool: :p

Akuryou13
26 Sep 2010, 05:26
Pfft, 360. This is a real game.it is? because so far all I've noticed is that it's a real disappointment.
by FAR the worst in the series (which, admittedly, isn't that hard to do since all the others have been stellar).

MtlAngelus
26 Sep 2010, 05:46
it is? because so far all I've noticed is that it's a real disappointment.
by FAR the worst in the series (which, admittedly, isn't that hard to do since all the others have been stellar).
Not all of them, really. Unless you're talking pc and 2d only. P:

Akuryou13
26 Sep 2010, 06:08
Not all of them, really. Unless you're talking pc and 2d only. P:well the ones I've played, so mostly PC. and I'll excuse the very existence of the console ports. they're ports, so they're pretty much required to suck.

MtlAngelus
26 Sep 2010, 06:43
Worms - stellar
Worms DC - stellar
Worms 2 - stellar
Worms: Armageddon - stellar
Worms World Party - stellar
Worms Blast - this doesn't count
Worms 3d - bad
Worms Forts: Under Siege - not stellar
Worms 4: Mayhem - not stellar
W:OW both versions - bad
W:OW 2 PSP - not stellar
W:OW 2 DS - stellar, but two tribes gets the credit here
Worms: A Space Oddity - horrible
Worms XBLA - bad
Worms PSN - bad
Worms 2: Armageddon XBLA/PSN- not stellar
As far as I know, that is the general consensus. I obviously haven't played all of this games, but judging by the general consensus of the ones I have played, I trust the general consensus of the rest of this games. Yes.

Koenachtig
26 Sep 2010, 10:15
Is that why their 360 releases were never fixed?
That's different.
They did release some updates, but releasing updates as frequently as they can do with Steam, will cost them a lot of money. (With Microsoft and their update-payment)
Please correct me if i am wrong.

Thurbo
26 Sep 2010, 11:15
Well your feelings are weird, then. You kept defending it all this time and you suddenly say it sucks a month later?
I most certainly did NOT defend all those bugs and glitches! I'm not that stupid!
Worms - stellar
Worms DC - stellar
Worms 2 - stellar
Worms: Armageddon - stellar
Worms World Party - stellar
Worms Blast - this doesn't count
Worms 3d - bad
Worms Forts: Under Siege - not stellar
Worms 4: Mayhem - not stellar
W:OW both versions - bad
W:OW 2 PSP - not stellar
W:OW 2 DS - stellar, but two tribes gets the credit here
Worms: A Space Oddity - horrible
Worms XBLA - bad
Worms PSN - bad
Worms 2: Armageddon XBLA/PSN- not stellar
As far as I know, that is the general consensus. I obviously haven't played all of this games, but judging by the general consensus of the ones I have played, I trust the general consensus of the rest of this games. Yes.
Okay, that's your opinion. I liked the 3D games actually (well Worms Forts wasn't that great, but the idea was brilliant), I've to agree on the W:OW PSP versions though.
Space Oddity might not have the best gameplay ever, but it was surprisingly well-working. I never found any bugs or glitches, whereas both W:OW 1&2 where full of them.

WormyKoopa
26 Sep 2010, 14:55
you could try Worms Armageddon on the Game boy color if it makes you feel better.

MrAlBobo
26 Sep 2010, 16:49
yeah...the first open warfare was much worse
falling through the level and getting stuck in barrels every match or so is worse then a bazooka blowing up in your face once in a long while

Plasma
26 Sep 2010, 16:59
It's not the best of games, but calling it a huge disappointment is reeeeeally stretching it. I'd say it'd actually be a really good game if it wasn't for all the bugs and poor UI.
And missions, if anyone still cares about those.
Worms 4: Mayhem - not stellar
W:OW PSP - bad
W:OW 2 PSP - not stellar
Worms: A Space Oddity - horrible
Worms XBLA - bad
Worms PSN - bad
What the heck general consensus have you been listening to? The only group of people who think those ones are the ones who have been complaining about any new game not being Worms Armageddon Plus, while the actual forums were full of praise!
...Well, except for W:ASO, but that's because of it's 50 Euro price tag while having the least content of any post-Worms-1 game. Still not "horrible" though.
Also, W:OW DS was atrociously bad. If you think WR is buggy you haven't tried that one!

Thurbo
26 Sep 2010, 17:11
Also, W:OW DS was atrociously bad. If you think WR is buggy you haven't tried that one!
Does it make any difference if there are games more bugged than W:R?
Simple fact: W:R got bugs, and it's got too many of them.

MrAlBobo
26 Sep 2010, 19:04
Does it make any difference if there are games more bugged than W:R?
Simple fact: W:R got bugs, and it's got too many of them.
It does, for the simple fact that your thread is titled "Worst Worms ever?"
So we are simply pointing out there are more bugged worms games.

Junkman
26 Sep 2010, 19:09
I thought that Worms World Party was the worst game to be released, if only because Worms Armageddon exists. Both are the same exact game, only though WWP had way higher system requirements for some reason (back then, I had an Athlon 800 mhz and that it struggled running the game despite the fact that nothing has changed).
It also had a horrible mission mode which had almost nothing else than annoying puzzle missions, most of the new maps were unappealing, Wormpot was a worthless gimmick which added nothing to the game and to round things off, it was sold at full price despite the game being almost a complete copy of WA. If you had bought WA, there was no reason to buy this game because you're buying the same game again, only buggier and less appealing.
The 3D Worms games were fun (at least, the two I've played, which was Worms 3D and Worms 4) even though they didn't have the same spark that made Worms 2 and WA as fun to play. They were competent games, though.
Worms Reloaded is fun, although at the moment it's plagued by some weird design decisions and some weapons feeling a bit off (such as the napalm strike, petrol bomb and even the banana bomb which is kinda underwhelming). With that said, some of the new additions are nice, such as the magnets and the new physics, which don't feel as stiff as in previous Worms games. It's still a fun game to play despite the glitches, but it'll be a lot better once that it'll have a few patches going its way in the upcoming months. Honestly, the only thing I don't like about the game is that it was clearly released as an unfinished product.

MtlAngelus
26 Sep 2010, 19:53
It's not the best of games, but calling it a huge disappointment is reeeeeally stretching it. I'd say it'd actually be a really good game if it wasn't for all the bugs and poor UI.
And missions, if anyone still cares about those.
What the heck general consensus have you been listening to? The only group of people who think those ones are the ones who have been complaining about any new game not being Worms Armageddon Plus, while the actual forums were full of praise!
...Well, except for W:ASO, but that's because of it's 50 Euro price tag while having the least content of any post-Worms-1 game. Still not "horrible" though.
Also, W:OW DS was atrociously bad. If you think WR is buggy you haven't tried that one!
Yeah feel free to change the rating per your personal feelings about them, but none of them clasifies as stellar anyway. You also forgot that A Space Oddity lacked online multiplayer.

Thurbo
26 Sep 2010, 21:30
It does, for the simple fact that your thread is titled "Worst Worms ever?"
So we are simply pointing out there are more bugged worms games.
Okay, this was just an "introducing sentence". Mainly I wanted to say how disappointing the flaws in W:R are.
Btw, the PSP version of W:OW wasn't as bad as the DS version.

NAiL
1 Oct 2010, 21:10
I, for instance, don't own the router. My father doesn't allow me to bustle around with it just to be able to play some videogame.
:D
+ ropa loves me, im better than him now.

Skeeter
2 Oct 2010, 07:21
Worms - stellar
Worms DC - stellar
Worms 2 - stellar
Worms: Armageddon - stellar
Worms World Party - stellar
Worms Blast - this doesn't count
Worms 3d - bad
Worms Forts: Under Siege - not stellar
Worms 4: Mayhem - not stellar
W:OW both versions - bad
W:OW 2 PSP - not stellar
W:OW 2 DS - stellar, but two tribes gets the credit here
Worms: A Space Oddity - horrible
Worms XBLA - bad
Worms PSN - bad
Worms 2: Armageddon XBLA/PSN- not stellar
As far as I know, that is the general consensus. I obviously haven't played all of this games, but judging by the general consensus of the ones I have played, I trust the general consensus of the rest of this games. Yes.
Totally agree. 2d PC only games all the others suck monkey testicles.

buZz
2 Oct 2010, 09:24
Team17 is fixing bugs. Why do we have to read every day such a thread?

Thurbo
2 Oct 2010, 11:41
Team17 is fixing bugs. Why do we have to read every day such a thread?
Because whereas they fix bugs, every fix seems to bring new bugs to the game, and I'm sick to the back teeth with this. Much less they fix every bug reported, only a few which are mostly not even gameplay relevant.

Shadowmoon
2 Oct 2010, 21:18
Noooo I missed the flamewar ;( whenever something interesting happens I goddamn miss it!
There's still loads of bugs waiting to be fixed in Worms 2 Armageddon, and I've just gave up now. Enjoy waiting for the bug fixes.

poninja
2 Oct 2010, 22:11
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BetongÅsna
3 Oct 2010, 00:43
After playing this game with others at home for the first time, I have this conclusion to add: it's bloody fun.

franpa
3 Oct 2010, 05:33
Be happy they are more competent then EA Games at getting there self published games fixed up.

Akuryou13
3 Oct 2010, 05:44
Be happy they are more competent then EA Games at getting there self published games fixed up.that's a bit like saying a house wife is better than a pile of bricks at fixing up a car, isn't it?

franpa
3 Oct 2010, 09:55
If EA Games was the pile of bricks, yes.

Thurbo
3 Oct 2010, 12:16
After playing this game with others at home for the first time, I have this conclusion to add: it's bloody fun.
Yea sure, for the first match I played as it released I assembled two friends to blow up each other and as usually, it was great fun. When I went on-line, though, I came across this cluster of bugs killing all the fun :(
Be happy they are more competent then EA Games at getting there self published games fixed up.
I wish I knew what EA does to their games but I didn't buy any EA game since they decided to go insane...

Plasma
5 Oct 2010, 09:35
but I didn't buy any EA game since they decided to go insane...
There was a point where EA were normal?

aydin690
12 Oct 2010, 02:16
Nope, the best worms game, hands down.

aydin690
12 Oct 2010, 02:18
Also, hating on EA is so 2006. All the cool kids hate Activision now.

_Kilburn
12 Oct 2010, 08:39
I've seen you post that somewhere else, a while ago, umm.... I wonder where...
It's not the best Worms game ever. You can say it's decent but it's definitely not the best one.

CakeDoer
12 Oct 2010, 13:12
Also, hating on EA is so 2006. All the cool kids hate Activision now.
Of course, some of the cool kids (like me, :B) hate Activision for a reason.

Thurbo
12 Oct 2010, 13:18
It's not the best Worms game ever. You can say it's decent but it's definitely not the best one.
Fixing all bugs + implementing new spawn points algorithm = stunning Worms game

Shadowmoon
12 Oct 2010, 16:27
Fixing all bugs + implementing new spawn points algorithm = stunning Worms game
It doesn't take a genius to work that one out.

Thurbo
12 Oct 2010, 17:25
However it seems to take a genuis to execute this simple formula...

_Kilburn
12 Oct 2010, 19:23
Fixing all bugs + implementing new spawn points algorithm = stunning Worms game
To be honest, the gameplay bugs don't bother me so much because I know they can be fixed. It's just the fact that 80% of the graphics is recycled content, the menus are garbage, and the missions are ridiculously generic and boring.
Worms Armageddon: "ENEMY HAS SUPER SECRET WEAPON, NEED TO STEAL IT, BE SNEAKY AND BE QUICK"
Worms World Party: "OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD IT'S RAINING MINES DODGE THEM AND GET TO THE EXIT"
Worms 3D: "COMPUTER BROKE, FIX IT BEFORE THE BAD GUYS SCREW YOU UP!"
Worms Forts: "AHHH EVIL KNIGHTS AND EVIL WIZARDS CONTROLLING WEATHER WE'RE DOOMED"
Worms 4 Mayhem: "TIME MACHINE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!"
Worms Open Warfare to Worms Reloaded: "blah blah blah war blah blah now kill them all kthx (alternatively blah blah blah puzzle blah blah exit etc)"
All missions from Worms Armageddon to Worms 4 Mayhem had a silly little backstory which made them look more elegant and original. I remember that even Worms: A Space Oddity had a kind of implied backstory where your worms got lost in a wormhole and had to go back to their planet.
Missions in WR are unoriginal and are nothing else than pregenerated landscapes with preset spawn points. Plus, they are horribly easy, provide no satisfaction at all from completing them, and I could get as much fun from starting a generic game with generic CPU teams.
I won't even bother pointing out the horrible amount of things which are wrong with the game's graphic and UI design because last time I did, I got the confirmation that they will never be fixed. I kind of understand it because that would imply rewriting the entire game from scratch. I'd still like to know why the game was like that in the first place.
Of course, if you strip the game from its singleplayer aspect, you have a very decent game, but again, the very first Worms was awesome too, and I'm going to play the very first Worms and get the same amount of fun out of it. But then it falls into the despisable category of cheap multiplayer games which entirely rely on gameplay and nothing else. (*cough*counterstrike*cough*)
God's sake, I can't be the only one who plays Worms just for the missions, am I?

Thurbo
12 Oct 2010, 19:44
God's sake, I can't be the only one who plays Worms just for the missions, am I?
No you ain't, I played Worms 3D/Forts/4 Mayhem/Space Oddity/OW2 missions like 20 times whenever I was bored (my alternative quick game option :p), I completed W:A/WWP missions only one time though and had another go to achieve gold in every one (they were too difficult and too many to simply play through them within 1-2 hours) :p
I wish Team17 would make great missions like the W3D ones again, since every single one had its own story and sometimes referred to movies or something.
But first I hope Battle Islands gets a story - it already has video sequences, at least =P

_Kilburn
12 Oct 2010, 19:59
No you ain't, I played Worms 3D/Forts/4 Mayhem/Space Oddity/OW2 missions like 20 times whenever I was bored (my alternative quick game option :p), I completed W:A/WWP missions only one time though and had another go to achieve gold in every one (they were too difficult and too many to simply play through them within 1-2 hours) :p
Yeah, some of them were horribly frustrating, and that was what made them awesome. I just can't believe nothing has changed between the beta of WR and its release, I thought they would spend all that time designing awesome maps and missions, but even the multiplayer isn't stable.
I fail to see what makes the netcode so hard to fix, real time action games can handle heavy lag really well, and this is a turn based game, so I just don't understand why I have enough time to get a coffee between each turn.
But first I hope Battle Islands gets a story again - it already has video sequences, at least =P
Oh boy, I miss the video sequences. The ones in Worms Open Warfare 2 were just so brilliant.

Plasma
12 Oct 2010, 20:03
God's sake, I can't be the only one who plays Worms just for the missions, am I?
No, but you are the only one who appreciates W:A's mission blurbs.
I wish Team17 would make great missions like the W3D ones again, since every single one had its own story and sometimes referred to movies or something.
A Space Oddity really showed that the great storytelling elements the 3D games used simply does not work in 2D. With the 3D games, it used extensive camera angles and worm animations to... do stuff, but you don't get any of that in 2D.

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