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steviebwoy
22 Aug 2006, 23:56
I've been playing Open Warfare quite a bit on the PSP and, though it does recapture some of the classic Worms action, in my opinion it still slightly lacks the euphoric crate rewards from Armageddon. No super sheep, no old women gibbering along, not even a holy hand grenade!
The graphics on the PSP are certainly a lot better than previous 2D versions and are truly beautiful on the crisp PSP screen. It's just lacking the sense of humour and variety which are both so crucial to the series..
My post is really prompted by the feeling I get every time I cosy down with my PSP - why on earth don't they just produce a brand new PS2/ Xbox/ PC version of the game with the PSP graphics, and the depth of Armageddon? I love the graffiti mode in Armageddon, the crazy weapons, the single player levels; some of them are legendary in these forums.
With Mayhem, I think they're trying desperately to keep the game fresh (see gimmicky "weapons creators", silly hats and fairly original new game modes) but anyone can see the game is now getting a bit tired. In the 3D world it's so hard to maintain the fundamentals of the original game; mostly due to the ability to just "walk" and jump everywhere - it's just not tactical anymore.
In my view, 2D Worms was by far and away the best party game on the market. If it was produced as a budget title just to test the water I think it would go down an absolute storm.
I think it's time for a return to form.
Come on Team 17! Don't ignore the cravings for a return to 2D; we're not all obsessed with over-the-top Disney-esque top-hat-tomfoolery!
Listen to the people, we want Boggy B in 2D!!!!

Plasma
23 Aug 2006, 01:40
In my view, 2D Worms was by far and away the best party game on the market. If it was produced as a budget title just to test the water I think it would go down an absolute storm.
I think it's time for a return to form.
Listen to the people, we want Boggy B in 2D!!!!
Did you not notice that Worms: Open Warfare is a 2D game? Gee, Team17 really should make that clearer to the people playing it.
Edit: No, most people on this forum aren't gonna give a jerky reply like I just did.

Diablo vt
23 Aug 2006, 02:34
I've been playing Open Warfare quite a bit on the PSP and, though it does recapture some of the classic Worms action, in my opinion it still slightly lacks the euphoric crate rewards from Armageddon. No super sheep, no old women gibbering along, not even a holy hand grenade!
The graphics on the PSP are certainly a lot better than previous 2D versions and are truly beautiful on the crisp PSP screen. It's just lacking the sense of humour and variety which are both so crucial to the series..
My post is really prompted by the feeling I get every time I cosy down with my PSP - why on earth don't they just produce a brand new PS2/ Xbox/ PC version of the game with the PSP graphics, and the depth of Armageddon? I love the graffiti mode in Armageddon, the crazy weapons, the single player levels; some of them are legendary in these forums.
With Mayhem, I think they're trying desperately to keep the game fresh (see gimmicky "weapons creators", silly hats and fairly original new game modes) but anyone can see the game is now getting a bit tired. In the 3D world it's so hard to maintain the fundamentals of the original game; mostly due to the ability to just "walk" and jump everywhere - it's just not tactical anymore.
In my view, 2D Worms was by far and away the best party game on the market. If it was produced as a budget title just to test the water I think it would go down an absolute storm.
I think it's time for a return to form.
Come on Team 17! Don't ignore the cravings for a return to 2D; we're not all obsessed with over-the-top Disney-esque top-hat-tomfoolery!
Listen to the people, we want Boggy B in 2D!!!!
And plus Team17 have stopped making Worms games for a bit now. Just enjoy the earlier installments of the 2d games, Worms does deserve the break it needs.

.BoggyB..
23 Aug 2006, 03:29
What did some one call me. Yes it is I Boggy.B I haven been on armegddon lately. Also the orginally creator of worms left after Armeggdon the rest are failed attepmts of team17 trying to countinue the franchise and making it theirs. Team17 plz reacurit the orgianl creator thats what ubisoft is doing with Rayman and it looks like the old e n days and it rocks woot.

MtlAngelus
23 Aug 2006, 07:52
Did you not notice that Worms: Open Warfare is a 2D game? Gee, Team17 really should make that clearer to the people playing it.
I think he did notice that, if you read the post you might notice what he actually meant.
Or maybe you won't, I don't blame you tough, it's not your fault.

DoC
23 Aug 2006, 08:32
I agree. Team 17 desperately needs to 'go back to it roots' with the worms franchise. They need to realise that during the transition to 3d, the worms franchise has lost something. IMO the 2d worms games were more fun, had more humor, and were just generally better. They need to realise that a game being turned into 3d does not necessarily make it better.

steviebwoy
23 Aug 2006, 08:34
Did you not notice that Worms: Open Warfare is a 2D game? Gee, Team17 really should make that clearer to the people playing it.
Edit: No, most people on this forum aren't gonna give a jerky reply like I just did.
Er... since I've been playing it for the past 3 months, yes - I did notice Open Warfare was 2D. You utter baboon's ar$e!!!! That was my point, why don't they combine the great elements of Armageddon with the graphical style of OW. It would be a corker, "ah sure Jayzuz, so it would" (just so you might understand a bit better this time ;)).

SupSuper
23 Aug 2006, 09:47
I think no matter how hard they try, they won't come up with something better than W:A. It's just the way of videogames, there's always some classic that everyone loves and no matter how much they try to improve or do something better, everyone will still keep saying "it's just not W:A". They're right, it's not, it's impossible for anything else to be, that game's been done, everyone loved it and all Team17 can do is move on. Even if they remake it into something else, or make another 2d game (eg. W:OW) everyone keeps saying "it's just not W:A". If people are so goddamn unpleased, make your own game, it seems pretty popular to remake stuff these days, and Team17 can't stop you if you don't use anything copyrighted. At least then you'll see how hard W:A was to make and you can't complain if it doesn't come out right.

BuffaloKid
23 Aug 2006, 11:43
What did some one call me. Yes it is I Boggy.B I haven been on armegddon lately. Also the orginally creator of worms left after Armeggdon the rest are failed attepmts of team17 trying to countinue the franchise and making it theirs. Team17 plz reacurit the orgianl creator thats what ubisoft is doing with Rayman and it looks like the old e n days and it rocks woot.
You want them to rerecruit Andy Davidson? I'm pretty sure they don't know where he is... Maybe he's moved back to his house with the concrete donkey outside... if so I know where that is, it's 15 minutes from my house... but I doubt that. I'm pretty sure they can't rerecruit him. Oh yes, and the rest aren't really failed attempts. Less successful, but not failed.
I think they have got a plan to help their games get that old spark. It's called 'This section of the forum'. Speculation and Discussion.They're trying to find out what people want.

Plasma
23 Aug 2006, 13:10
What did some one call me. Yes it is I Boggy.B I haven been on armegddon lately. Also the orginally creator of worms left after Armeggdon the rest are failed attepmts of team17 trying to countinue the franchise and making it theirs. Team17 plz reacurit the orgianl creator thats what ubisoft is doing with Rayman and it looks like the old e n days and it rocks woot.
Andy Davidson was thye creator of the origional idea. WA is one of Team17's attempts at trying to continue the franchise and making it theirs, and I think very few people think it was a failure.
I agree. Team 17 desperately needs to 'go back to it roots' with the worms franchise. They need to realise that during the transition to 3d, the worms franchise has lost something. IMO the 2d worms games were more fun, had more humor, and were just generally better. They need to realise that a game being turned into 3d does not necessarily make it better.
Actually, that's exactly what Team17 were doing in W:OW. But if you remember, the origional worms didn't have all those super-weapons such as super sheep and old lady.

BuffaloKid
23 Aug 2006, 13:46
Andy Davidson was thye creator of the origional idea. WA is one of Team17's attempts at trying to continue the franchise and making it theirs, and I think very few people think it was a failure.
I think you may have misread what he wrote. He claimed that all of the games after Worms Armageddon were failures

Plasma
23 Aug 2006, 14:24
I think you may have misread what he wrote. He claimed that all of the games after Worms Armageddon were failures
I know, but I'm saying that Andy wouldn't be able to change that.

MtlAngelus
23 Aug 2006, 15:08
I know, but I'm saying that Andy wouldn't be able to change that.
Well he probably is under the opinion that Andy leaving* had an impact on quality given that it was after he left that things started going "bad". <-The comma's are there because I disagree, I happen to think W4:M was quite fun to play online and as such a step in the right direction, even if it is quite different from W:A.
*If I recall correctly he left because he disagreed as to where the franchise was taken, so I'm guessing if he had stayed things would have been different.

AmpSux
23 Aug 2006, 17:56
Xbox Live Arcade
Believe!!! :(

.BoggyB..
24 Aug 2006, 05:01
Ohh yes Worms 4 Mayhem was great for a 3d one. But i think they need to concertarte on diging aspects. I mean dude thats what worms do best. Whats the streadgy on the 3d ones. I mean its kinda borring now. I wish they made it like worms 2d games. Also yes andy left a big inpact on worms i miss u andy. Has he made any other games since worms dose any one know.

Kelster23
24 Aug 2006, 06:07
2D worms remake? Hm.
Why don't they make a 2D/3D worms game? Like Super Smash Bros.! Then, it would have 3D graphics, but it would still have the 2Dish feel.
*rethinks*
Ok. That just sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever said.

Lex
24 Aug 2006, 07:01
Kelster23, that's what steviebwoy was talking about; a 2D/3D game like Worms: Open Warfare but for PC (and other various consoles) instead, of course with new stuff that Worms Armageddon missed out on due to lack of technology at the time.

MtlAngelus
24 Aug 2006, 07:11
Yeah that would be awesome. But if there's something true about this world, is that awesome things will never happen. They do ocasionaly, but they often go away too soon...

Luther
24 Aug 2006, 11:53
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.

vmanc
24 Aug 2006, 12:32
When are you going to tell us about it?

Plasma
24 Aug 2006, 12:55
When are you going to tell us about it?
When it's released.
=P

thomasp
24 Aug 2006, 13:19
When are you going to tell us about it?
When their publishers allow it :p

vmanc
24 Aug 2006, 13:23
Fine. I'LL WAIT LONGER.... :P

bonz
24 Aug 2006, 15:12
I actually like the Worms Blast graphics with its combination of 2D and 3D.
3D characters, 2D sprites for objects and 2D backgrounds.
I also liked the cell-shading.
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.
Oh no! Not again!
Now another round of subtle hints and ruthless teasing has begun. :D

KRD
24 Aug 2006, 22:57
As for Andy Davidson making a comeback, not gonna happen. He's butted out of the software business completely, I believe.
Then again, that's a good step in the right direction if you were planning a comeback. Still unlikely.

bonz
24 Aug 2006, 23:21
As for Andy Davidson making a comeback, not gonna happen. He's butted out of the software business completely, I believe.
Then again, that's a good step in the right direction if you were planning a comeback. Still unlikely.
The worm will return... (http://www.slightlytwisted.co.uk/)
And there was an interview with him in Retro Gamer #23 earlier this year.

MtlAngelus
25 Aug 2006, 02:15
The worm will return... (http://www.slightlytwisted.co.uk/)
And there was an interview with him in Retro Gamer #23 earlier this year.
O_o talking about cryptic stuff.

WormOfFire
25 Aug 2006, 12:40
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.
ARGH!
Stop teasing me!
*restless*

Plasma
27 Aug 2006, 00:28
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.
What happened to that beer trap we had?

WormOfFire
27 Aug 2006, 07:54
What happened to that beer trap we had?
*AAARGH!*
I that was Spadge...let's go check the trap.:p

robowurmz
27 Aug 2006, 10:18
I thought Andy was dead!

FuZion
27 Aug 2006, 13:04
I'll start with the negative, sorry. I have seen so many times in the gaming industry situations like this. A game hits the streets that's guaranteed to sell, doesn't quite hit the mark so a better, more improved version comes out. Deliberate so that more units can be sold? I honestly don't know. But it's a little suss at how often it happens.
Anyways...
W:OW certainly captures WA's gameplay (Bar your worms not quite catching bits of ground you wanna backflip onto... And the Ninja Ropes have flat betteries) but I agree entirely with the lack of depth. I almost don't want to play the game sometimes because there's no surprises.
There's a bit of an old skool vibe going on with the PSP & DS at the moment, with older games being ported to them. Personally, I'd be more than happy with a straight port of WA. I laughed so much the first time I saw a worm 'skimming' across the water. And watching with baited breath as a mine bounces slowly down a hill towards a hapless worm. Class! You just don't have the funny in W:OW.
FuZion.
PS. I hope Team17 gave THQ such a bi*** slap for the mockery they made of the DS version. The homing missile alone is a joke.

lDarKl
27 Aug 2006, 15:23
I'd love a remake of WA too. :)

robowurmz
28 Aug 2006, 07:32
Worms Games aren't as hilarious as they used to be. They just aren't funny anymore! Although W4:M had some little gimmicks, like the owrms pointing at eacother when you aim at them, giving each other high 5's, mime-dueling.etc, they just are not funny!
Worms Armageddon STILL makes me laugh! And the super sheep? I love the "Da-da-daaaa!" and the fact that it's eyes look demented. I love that. It's so funny.
Bring back the hilarity (and the physics) that we all know as...WORMS.

Diablo vt
29 Aug 2006, 02:05
I thought Andy was dead!
Why did you think Andy Davidson was dead?:eek: .

TintinWorm
29 Aug 2006, 04:28
There's a bit of an old skool vibe going on with the PSP & DS at the moment, with older games being ported to them.
Yeah, I've noticed that. I mean, just for the PSP, there's Ultimate Ghosts n' Goblins, Earthworm Jim, and a new Cannon Fodder game was announced today. But I would like a port of W:A, but it wouldn't really sell.

vmanc
29 Aug 2006, 07:57
But I would like a port of W:A, but it wouldn't really sell.
Why not? W:OW is selling quite well, why wouldn't a port of W:A?

Spadge
29 Aug 2006, 09:25
What did some one call me. Yes it is I Boggy.B I haven been on armegddon lately. Also the orginally creator of worms left after Armeggdon the rest are failed attepmts of team17 trying to countinue the franchise and making it theirs. Team17 plz reacurit the orgianl creator thats what ubisoft is doing with Rayman and it looks like the old e n days and it rocks woot.
Actually Andy had very little to do with Armageddon.

BuffaloKid
29 Aug 2006, 20:02
Indeed. He was just still a member of Team 17 staff

bonz
29 Aug 2006, 20:48
Indeed. He was just still a member of Team 17 staff
Huh? :confused:
You speak as if you were there. Guzzling.

BuffaloKid
29 Aug 2006, 21:21
*Insert BK with shifty eyes here* Not at all...

Anubis
30 Aug 2006, 09:19
Remake of W:A would be cool, 2D till death. ;) 2D has the positive effect that you need to imagine things, in 3D you can see it from all sides.

iamgood
30 Aug 2006, 17:22
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.
Oh crap :p Now I'm very sleepless:p
Actually Andy had very little to do with Armageddon.
Just what I suspected.

Pieboy337
30 Aug 2006, 21:56
I do think that worms 2, WA and WWP were definatly the best in the series and that WA stuck out more in my opinion because of the single player. it just had much better missions and stuff than the other 2. But the 3d worms games are still lots of fun. I personally didnt like worms 4 that much because it was hardly a challenge when worms 3d was much harder on the single player missions and I loved worms forts. The 2d worms games were great, but why remake them when we can just continue to play them. I do think that the worms games should take a nice long break, unless they make another spin off worms game. Like worms pinball was lots of fun for the ps.

mastacjk
2 Sep 2006, 01:20
Well, i think if the make a worms games for the major consoles again, 2d won't cut it. There has to be SOME was to mix the old school and new together. I know you all claim 3d doesn't make the game better, but a 2d game on the Xbox 360, PS3, or Wii? That will not sell very well. It's understandable for the DS and PSP because thats normal for a portable game. But I strongly believe a 2d game wouldnt sell well on the major consoles, even if all of the true fans of worms loved it.

DoC
2 Sep 2006, 02:22
I strongly believe a 2d game wouldn't sell well on the major consoles, even if all of the true fans of worms loved it.
People have come to expect games for the major consoles to be 3D. It's like most people now think that unless a game is 3D, it's old and useless. They think that it won't be good solely because it is 2D.

Maunem2
5 Oct 2006, 09:55
But Team17 can make special party of new 2D Worms, that will be so funny as W:A...

shadgenki
13 Oct 2006, 16:19
Bring back 2D! For Wii!! :D

AndrewTaylor
13 Oct 2006, 16:24
The Wii might be a good console for a 2D Worms game. The basic Wiimote would be quite sufficient, I think, for a 2D game, and the fact Nintendo have made a cheap console aimed in no small part at people who don't play games at the moment means that you could market a simpler game on it much more easily than you could on something like the X-Box 360, on which games that aren't "Awesome" need not apply.

kikumbob
17 Oct 2006, 19:38
There's lots of stuff in the works here that I know you'll enjoy.
Dont DO that. Its worse than saying nothing about these "enjoyable" games in the so called "works".

Maunem2
18 Oct 2006, 09:50
...If Team17 wants that their games will are really popular, they MUST MAKE THEM ON PC!!!
I think, new 2D Worms will how flash in the night...

Kurrus
6 Nov 2006, 09:38
The key is take what people loved from 3D games and mix it with 2D.
Imagine a Worms game, in 2D, with:
W2/W:A/WWP: Weapons and features. And most important in 2D. Old skool' powah.
W3D: TELEPORTER!1!!1!!11!2222~~~~44
WF:US: Maybe an infinitely better Forts mode.
W4:M: Dynamics and customization. Make Worms point each other, scream, and such. It was the funniest part of W4:M!
W:OW: Graphics. A real step in 2D worms graphics. (I believe that W:OW was released before it was finished, it could have been be a superb game with further developing)
Thats what I think. If T17 make a Worms title like I described and put in more weapons and maps, it MIGHT be more popular than W:A and sell much better.
And of course for PC, Wii VC and XBox Live Arcade.
When in my school we make a Baseball game, i have a "Giant #1 glove" with the index finger extended and a Team17 logo with a Worm on it! It's really cool to cheer up people, or "poke them with a Concrete Donkey Force" (my catchphrase). Now say Im not a total worms freak.

Plasma
6 Nov 2006, 19:40
Imagine a Worms game, in 2D, with:
...
WF:US: Maybe an infinitely better Forts mode.
You haven't thought this through properly...
Worms Forts is a game that can only be done in 3D!

raffie
11 Nov 2006, 14:31
You haven't thought this through properly...
Worms Forts is a game that can only be done in 3D!
wut?
http://www.dieterkoenig.at/ccc/po/s_po_games_20.htm
Definatelly 2D is you ask me :p

Plasma
11 Nov 2006, 14:33
wut?
http://www.dieterkoenig.at/ccc/po/s_po_games_20.htm
Definatelly 2D is you ask me :p
How did you manage to get "Worms Forts" out of that?

raffie
11 Nov 2006, 14:35
Use yr imagination!
Just replace the little guys with 2D worms and basically u have WF 2D.

bonz
11 Nov 2006, 14:55
You haven't thought this through properly...
Worms Forts is a game that can only be done in 3D!
Well, Worms Forts was made for mobile in 2D.

AndrewTaylor
11 Nov 2006, 18:17
Well, Worms Forts was made for mobile in 2D.
Yes, but it was nothing like the same game.

Vader
16 Nov 2006, 10:21
I finished Worms Forts 3D on the Sony Ericsson W550i and whilst it had nothing like the charm of WA it provided some entertainment.
I'm not sure how it compares to 3D versions, but I quite liked the mechanics. Build a tower and you can shoot bazookas and grenades. If you already have a tower you can build a keep and fire stronger weapons. So on it goes and it made for some interesting strategy.
I see no reason why a similar mechanic couldn't be employed into a 2D Worms game. I mean, the mobile one was 3D (building and ground models) but it played in 2D (sprites and 2 dimensional trajectories).

SupSuper
16 Nov 2006, 17:56
Worms Forts (the non 3D-looking one) on my Ericsson K300i plays much the same way. Obviously it's not the same as the original, but it's still fun and different.

Don Deano
26 Nov 2006, 14:39
The minute I saw the 2D Worms game for the PSP, I thought please release it for the PC! I've not had the opportunity to play the PSP game, but the screenshots of it look amazing. I guess I'm just imagining it to be everything W:A is, but with better graphics and what not.
I sigh on behalf of the W:A community who so patiently sit and hope for some attention. Update us please! :D

bonz
26 Nov 2006, 19:04
I guess I'm just imagining it to be everything W:A is, but with better graphics and what not.
It's more like Worms 1 with better graphics, as weapons and options are reduced to the basics.

sc7es
4 Mar 2007, 01:37
Pleasee, make a worms 2D for PC with all the weapons and options and with the graphics of the worms for X-BOX or PSP. The fans of the Worms hate the 3D version, think that Worms Armaggedon is a game of 1998 and we're playing the game yet with the old graphics.
PD: Sorry for my bad english

Firia
27 Mar 2007, 00:26
I'm a ps3 owner.
I own Worms World Party for the PSone (which is basicly W:A, sans the Donkey).
I, the consumer, do not want a fully 3d worms world.
I want 3d graphics in a 2d world.
I want the landscape to be random and destructable, ala W:A.
I want to amass a bevy of hillarious weaponry to use against my enemies.
I want the classics, I want the new, I want the old in my arsonel.
I want online play.
I want this available on the ps3 Online store for a moddest fee.
And I want it now. :D
I am a Consumer.
Please do me right, Team17.

tdmcg
27 Mar 2007, 05:13
I never played any of the 3d versions of worms but did play a lot of W:A and am not playing the Xbox Live Version. 2d is definitely the way to go and I would disagree that a 2d game would not sell well on next generation consoles. I think 2d games have a nostalgia amongst older gamers (namely the 20-30 somethings) which make up a large portion of gamers. Worms is also a game that would appeal to parents with younger children because of the cartoonish feel.
A 2d remake should be like W:A but more customizeable.
I like the idea of being able to customize your worms with different outfits, not just voices.
The hilarious weapons of W:A plus more.
A larger map is not necessary and honestly doesn't have much appeal to me. The present sizes are good enough.
Being able to unlock certain weapons for various acheivements or built structures could work as well.
I think a more extensive language library with more comments would really be awesome as well.
There could even be a "chess mode" for multiplayer where if the queen worm gets killed then you lose. Also each worm has their own special arsenal of weapons available to them either by default or by unlocking acheivements.
The remake should keep individual stats for the worms and not just for the whole team. I want to know the accuracy, most damage done, average damage done, kills to death ratio, average time alive per game, etc. I guess being a stats guy just makes these things have an appeal to me. I'm sure others would agree though.

Paul.Power
27 Mar 2007, 09:48
I'd love to see a new 2D Worms game that combined the best bits of WA and W4M, which IMO added a number of brilliant ideas to the series, together with some of the neater ideas from, say, Run's Worms Unlimited.
The main problem would be how scarily complicated it would look to a new player. In a world where you can choose which of five* different types of mine to deploy (as opposed to the slightly unsatisfactory random approach in W4M), where mines and oil barrels and poison barrels and sentry guns compete for landscape space, where literally anything would be possible, you would either have to be a genius or a madman to comprehend it all. It would only really appeal to the hardcore wormer.
An open source "revolution" in the same way as OpenTTD (OpenWA?) would help rather, but from previous arguments on that subject, that would be impossible given how many of WA's programmers have left Team 17.
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